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Post by deon on Nov 2, 2011 15:32:14 GMT -5
Colby was lynched for making a mistake with names, now I have will cast my vote based on the same mistake made: Vote: Moley *now I have will
should read
Now I will have to*
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Post by deon on Nov 2, 2011 15:34:08 GMT -5
Going to bed now, will not be on at day end, I can honestly say: I am TOWN yet again :-)
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 2, 2011 15:34:10 GMT -5
Colby was lynched for making a mistake with names, now I have will cast my vote based on the same mistake made: Vote: MoleyDid I miss something?
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Post by Deni on Nov 2, 2011 15:43:48 GMT -5
Deni... For the first three days, pretty much the entire time, I've been thinking of you as likely town. Your reasoning has been very convincing, very town-like, even if it hasn't brought tangible results in terms of dead scum. I haven't noticed any major contradictions in terms of what you've been saying. Problem: I said the same thing about Guiri in "Wonderland", and he turned out to be the last scum. I hate making the same mistakes twice. You've given two reasons for your suspicions of Paul - one regarding a vote change that you called suspicious but that seems to me as though Paul just changed his mind, one regarding his lack of voting and attention over the past two days. I agree with the facts of the second point but I don't see why they should be perceived as scummy. (If it was a valid reason, Deon would already have been lynched. And yeah, I got a lot more to say on that subject.) Your other two main suspects, Silver Jan and Ginger, are both confirmed town. Despite this, I don't see anybody else suspecting you, or even really noticing you. That vaguely bothers me in the same way that Tex's under-the-radar-ness vaguely bothered me. Right off the bat I want to clarify that Silver was never one of my main suspects, she was the casualty of that EOD2 chaos and me (and others) being thrown by all the claims. Toward the end of Day 2, JBG & Texcat were my top 2 suspects. I was pretty clear on my first post today who was on my suspicion list. The truth of the matter is I haven't seen Special Ed, Paulwiag, or Peeker play the game the way they are playing this one. I have never played a game with them where they were scum so obviously that is going to put me on edge right away. Now Paulwiag has been away from the internet so there is some explanation to his behavior but it is unlike him to make a comments on the game but obviously not reading all of it, afterall it was in the same post as Mitch's claim. Special Ed, I have been the least suspicious of to be honest. His game play has intrigued me but I will admit when he posted 'Very disappointing" 27 minutes after the EOD I wanted to smuck him. Not in the sense of "You scum - Smack!" but more in the way of "No kidding ~ that was disappointing where the hell were you? - Smack!" This takes me to Peeker, now granted peeker has obviously been busy in RL we all know that is to be true because we all know that Peeker just isn't the quiet, lurker type. Two things really bother me here. One, his stupid vote on Moodymitch, I can't say for sure if it was scummy but it was definitely not helpful, and second his reaction to your suggestion for JBG to verify him or Special Ed. I have more to add but I am going to break my post up here. brb
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Post by Deni on Nov 2, 2011 15:47:57 GMT -5
Colby was lynched for making a mistake with names, now I have will cast my vote based on the same mistake made: Vote: Moley? Could you be more specific?
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Post by Deni on Nov 2, 2011 15:53:53 GMT -5
Easily done - I like to vote for people who think I voted for a townie, when in fact I gave my reasoning for suspecting sumone to be scummy due to their actions, so you are now the third person to be added to my list at this stage.... Great does that mean I am on that list too because I certainly questioned you suspicions. Did you miss my post? or is it because you know you case on Paulwaig was weak and you didn't know how to strenghen it? If you think these guys are scum then you should be giving reasons so the rest of us can see if we are missing something. Hunting scum is a group effort, yes sometimes we are wrong sometimes we aren't. If you are truly the townie you claim to be you are playing a very anti town game.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 16:08:44 GMT -5
Ok... fluff/non-game stuff first.... then the meat and potatoes. With this colour scheme I can’t even open this game unless the boss is out of the office. Go to the menu bar at the top and click profile. Then click on modify profile. Scroll down to the account preferences section and look for the "Select Skin" option, change it to default. Then scroll to the bottom and click the Modify Profile button. Can we try to not force skin changes on everyone in the future? Not that this is directed at Paranoia... just a statement to the admins of the board.... Ok... meat and potatoes... @ Honest Moley Lightfoot and Paul still seem townish to me. I would be surprised if Lightfoot was scum, given her support of my Tex vote; and shocked if Paul was. (At the moment he's the only player in the game of who I'd say that.) Having said that, Paul... I hate the fact that you didn't vote. I hate it more because I think you're town. In the first two days you seemed to be playing harder than anybody else bar Sinjin. What happened? Why are you snuggling me? You say you are sure I am town... and you would be shocked if I wasn't.... but why? What's your reasoning that lead to you deciding that I'm town? I haven't seen anything from you pointing it out. I would like to. Right now it just seems like empty snuggling... and I'm all for a good time, but did you just get my number off the wall of a bathroom stall or do you have a reason you seem to be all up on my nuts? Also, Deni already gave me my ration of crap for not being very active... I replied to it... I'll quote it for you. I was on a work trip with shitty internet connectivity... I'm back home with stable internet now... Sorry. That being said, my participation the last 2 Days sucked... and will be better here on out. Moving on... Bill... I don't know what happened to the guy who was instrumental in taking out four scum in a row last game. I'm not getting a scummy / PFK "vibe" from you either, but I can't name anything you've done to clear yourself. The Gnarley vote, for example... all this new evidence, and that's the best you could come up with? 1.2.skip a few... And finally: People who need to start playing this damn game like they mean it: Bill, Peeker, Deon, Gnarley. I agree that Bill hasn't been active enough for me to get a read on him either... and that his participation thus far in the game hasn't been great... but we were forewarned that RL was attacking. And so far toDay he has actually provided some content that I would say is worthy of being analyzed. I was getting the same read on Bill so I did a reread and focused on him... and I came to the conclusion that my gut was wrong... I'll show you. Here's his first post of the Day... at this point there were no other votes placed yet and very little discussion. Quite a few claims at the end of the day: - Moody's N1 action explains why there were no deaths on N1.
SisC died at the end of D2 rather than N1. Drain died at the end of D3, while Sinjin died at the end of N2. Either we have a poisoner who can act day and night, two poisoners, Sinjin's poisoning got delayed due to Moody, or something else.
- Ginger, is claiming some sort of one shot remorseful day vig. I agree with Moody that her claim has some contradictions. Whether it was a day or night action, and whether it was a true vig. In this quote, Ginger appears to be saying that if she targets a townie, the townie will live, but Ginger will die - so producing someone who is effectively mod-confirmed town. This is a pretty powerful role. Typically a remorseful vig would kill the target too, but Ginger appears to be saying that the target will only die if scum.
- Which brings me to Texcat's claim of Day Doc. If Ginger's claim is to be believed, then the only folk at risk of dying from her Day Vig would be Scum (since if she hit town, she would only die). So why do we need a day doc to protect scum? Also, Ginger's claim states that things will halt - so it is also effectively an immediate action. Ginger can you succinctly restate your claim?
Is Texcat there to protect against the poisoner? Sinjin's poisoning appears to be have been affected by Moody's N1 action, so the poisoning would be a night action - so Texcat could not protect against that.
Overall, Texcat's claim looks weakest and kinda pointless [c olor=blue] Vote: Texcat [/color] [/quote] So, Bill was the first to vote for Texcat toDay and actually the first to hint at his claim being bogus and giving a pretty decent reason why it was bogus. Granted, in the same breath he did spread a layer of doubt onto Ginger's claim, but still.... then there is this. 1. for the first time, there is an unknown who could have been lynched. still two of the three turned out to be scum. Just how do you figure that out? Our dead are all townies - so how do you know two of three are scum?? D1 Scathach, Drew, Vanilla townie, lynched day one. N1 No deaths D2 Colby11, Sam, Vanilla town has been lynched. D2 Sister Coyote, Penny Baker, Vanilla Town, has died. N2 Suburban Plankton, Crazy Dan, Vanilla Town, murdered night two. N2 Sinjin, Franklin, Vanilla Townie, died of poison night two. D3 Silver Jan, Edna Brown, Vanilla Town lynched day three. D3 Drain Bead, Alfred Bell, Town Tracker, Has died of poison day three. N3 Moodymitchy, Insane Hygenist, Town Doctor and one-shot omnikill delayer has died. Some reveal analysis and critical thinking against Gnarly... Both of which look to me like scumhunting. I read it as townie being suspicious. I suppose Gnarly's post could just be an innocent word mistake, and Bill could be scum trying to capitilize on it... and that Bill foresaw things going badly for Texcat and decided an early bussing was in order... and while he's at it he could smudge Ginger so that maybe should would get the lynch and he would be on record as being for a Texcat lynch when she flipped town.... But to me, I think it's townie suspicion... I was suspicious of Ginger's claim as well... so no alarms from Bill spreading doubt on it... And I feel that the vote against Texcat was genuine and that he felt Texcat was the best option for the lynch. It seemed a little early for a bussing... no discussion had pointed at Texcat yet this Day... I would expect that a bussing would come after waiting to see if anyone even posted suspicion of Texcat, in the hopes that maybe Tex could just lie low and let the hype die down. All of this to say, While Bill has been kind of absent, I see his recent activity level as being more his style and being pro-town. So given that his participation has improved, why did you ignore any of his contributions to toDay in your post? Deni... For the first three days, pretty much the entire time, I've been thinking of you as likely town. Your reasoning has been very convincing, very town-like, even if it hasn't brought tangible results in terms of dead scum. I haven't noticed any major contradictions in terms of what you've been saying. Problem: I said the same thing about Guiri in "Wonderland", and he turned out to be the last scum. I hate making the same mistakes twice. You've given two reasons for your suspicions of Paul - one regarding a vote change that you called suspicious but that seems to me as though Paul just changed his mind, one regarding his lack of voting and attention over the past two days. I agree with the facts of the second point but I don't see why they should be perceived as scummy. (If it was a valid reason, Deon would already have been lynched. And yeah, I got a lot more to say on that subject.) Your other two main suspects, Silver Jan and Ginger, are both confirmed town. Despite this, I don't see anybody else suspecting you, or even really noticing you. That vaguely bothers me in the same way that Tex's under-the-radar-ness vaguely bothered me. My question to you is simple. Now that Ginger and Jan are out of the picture, I want to know where you stand. Who do you think is scum, who should be lynched? I'll echo this... I have little to no read on Deni either... her participation seems mostly commenting on things without arrousing suspicion and harping about participation. (Granted I wasn't around or being helpful... but it couldn't be helped.) Where's the aggression? Build cases... fight for the person you want lynched to get lynched.... take stances for or against people without worrying about getting axed for it. If it's genuine then it gives us data points. Hiding in the shadows because you are afraid of getting lynched is a scum tactic... hiding in the shadows because you don't want to get NK'd is an error in logic. You aren't helping town by hiding in the shadows... why try to survive the game to the end if you aren't gonna help? Peeker... you seem really, really careless, and not "into" this game at all. You didn't read Moody's role properly before voting him, or you'd have realised that he claimed responsibility for Sis C's delayed death; you say you didn't read Ginger's role properly today either. I feel your suspicions of me are unsubstantiated: you added nothing to Paul's points yesterday bar some smudging. I'm reconsidering you right now because of your Ginger vote today. You're in essentially the same position as Ed: if you're not town then putting yourself in the crossheirs like that is seriously ballsy, especially given that Ginger herself had never actually mentioned you as a possible target. I'd ask you the same question I asked Deni. Who should be lynched, who are the scum? Yeah yeah yeah.... yet another player that has already said that RL is kicking him in the nuts. I don't agree that he should be posting if he doesn't have a firm grasp on what is going on... because it comes across as useless gibbering and static (more so than his usual posts read as)... but still, he said he's getting his ass handed to him and it seems like he is trying to not become a complete lurker... What smudges against me are you talking about anyway? I didn't really see it. Then again, Peeks has a hard on for me in most games, so I tend to tune out his voiced suspicions of me. Anough talking to Moley... @ Ginger, For his lack of trying playing and basically drive by posts with no nothing to go off on. [ c olor=blue] Vote Deon[/color][/b][/quote] Come on... you're our only confirmed town and the best you are gonna do is a lurker vote? You're basically saying that no one else is a better lynch than the person who is barely even playing? If you have time, please do a reread and try to build a case based on recent revelations... we found a scum... look at the previous Days in context of that... if you come back with a case, great... if you still think LtL is the best option... fine... but voting based on non-participation doesn't really seem like participating yourself. @ Ed, OK, we've got 11 left. There is most likely 3-4 Scum and 1-2 3rd party. And 11 unknown. So we've got almost a 50-50 chance of hitting a Scum. Case coming later... Vote: Bill [/color][/quote] Still waiting on that case... you have posted since... but no case to go with your vote. And now... in light of Texcat's recent scummy demise... I decided to look back at toDay and see who was for or against a Texcat lynch or ginger shooting at him. Only one person was on the Texcat bandwagon and voiced an opinion against Ginger vigging him. Pollux. Actually, I would prefer to see JBG take out Texcat since most of us are already in agreement to Texcat's alignment. Either way JBG shoots we end up with a confirmed town. The truth of the matter is that if she is lying she won't/can't kill, then we lynch her. If she doesn't use her power and she is town I can not think why scum would let her live. It makes the most sense to me if she is town to use a power like that while she can. here's his vote post for reference... which also has a few things in it to support my case. Okay, first things first, switch off the Halloween theme...okay, done. Let's get down to brass tacks. 1. TexcatMuch like others have already said, if Ginger is a town power, your power is anti-town, which isn't right. Of course, Ginger could be the liar in this scenario, however there is stronger evidence against you here. Namely, in Post #195 yesterDay you say you have been protecting Drainbead. If you have been.... WHY THE HELL IS SHE DEAD?[c olor=blue] Vote: Texcat [/color] You have my vote until you come up with a reasonable explanation for that. Good luck. 2. PeekerYou're next on my list, simply because you're playing half-assed. You vote for a claimed doc. I let it pass, saying "Wait for it..." because I thought you were voting as you were reading, and you would change up your vote once you got to moody's claim. Instead, you keep your vote on a claimed doc. Not only that, but a doc who has an explanation for why we had no Night One kills. If you're town, you're playing lazy and like a dumbass. Get your freakin' act together, otherwise you've got my vote next. 3. PaulwhoisaghostYou're next after peeker, simply because Mitch said he used his omnikill block on Night One in the Day Three thread. Not reading things, aka skimming, is a sign of scummitude. Yeah, yeah, I get you're busy. I'm still suspicious. Also to answer your question, I got a message this morning. 4. deon and gnarlycharlieWould the two of you get together and let us know which of the two of you is the lurker scum? Thanks. 5. BillMcYou're not dead yet. That makes me suspicious. --- Finally, I think our poisoner is town-oriented. So far, both sinjin and drainbead seem to have bitten it by poison, and both of them were possible targets for town vigging. In fact, I think I know who the poisoner is, but I could be wrong. However, I have a little message for the poisoner, if they are town-oriented: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP POISONING PEOPLE. If you're third-party, okay I forgive you, but if you're town, good freaking Lord, man.[/quote] so... his vote on Tex was the second of the Day... and followed a few other posts that had brought up the topic of Texcat's claim being suspicious. Sounds to me like it would be time to jump a sinking ship and try to get an early bussing vote against him. I mean... look at his reasoning for voting Tex... it doesn't mention the glaring errors in the logic of his claim... or that he claimed to have a N0 action... or that it was a Day action that he claimed to use at Night... None of his problems with the claim came from the claim... he just says that if Ginger is telling the truth than Tex's claim wouldn't seem like a town power. Both claims are unverified... how can you use one to debunk the other? The only way you could is if you KNEW one of them was telling the truth... and if Pollux is scum, then he knows that Tex is lying and Ginger is most likely town and telling the truth... what logic is there in a 3rd party claiming her role? But, in spite of his vote on Tex, he didn't want Ginger to kill Tex... why? Because Tex could be telling the truth. What??? If you think he's telling the truth about his role then you would believe he was town... or a scum with the same role... which even then makes no sense for her not to fire because according to how he set up his claim he would have had to designate himself as being protected the Night before. Oh wait.... Ugh. That's a lot of non-voters. I may as well claim: You are Darlene Harris, housewife and chairman of Civilians Against Crime. Your organization patrols the streets to keep them safe. You have the Day watch, and mostly only have sore feet to show for it. You are the town Day protector. You can protect any player, except yourself, from a Day kill. You win when all threats to the town are eliminated or otherwise removed from play. That's right... he also said in his claim that he can't protect himself. So if you think he's lying then he's scum and needs to be shot... but if you think he's telling the truth about his role but he's scum with the same role... then he still needs to be shot. The logic against he used against shooting Tex just doesn't make sense. So why would he vote for Texcat but not want ginger to vig him? Well... an early vote on Tex is good if Tex gets the lynch... makes Pollux seem town. But an early vote on Tex doesn't pre-empt Pollux from casting doubt and suspicion on others and trying to support a rival badnwagon. If it's just the lynch that Tex is facing, then it's still possible someone else can get a stretched neck without Pollux having an obvious hand in it. If Tex is facing a day-vigging though... that's immediate and final... AND Pollux would then have to try to build a phony case on someone else. Moving on to the rest of his post... a veritable list of his suspicions... let's see.... I'll summarize Peeker -Playing like ass, missing things, not participating to an acceptable level. PWIAG- Playing like ass, missing things, not participating to an acceptable level. Deon and Gnarly- Lurking Bill- Not dead... So... his long list of suspects boils down to people who have already said RL was interfering and lurkers... oh, and Bill not being dead... which has been hashed and rehashed and I'll leave alone. What's funny is, now that Tex is dead he hasn't built a case against anyone on that list... I understand not being able to build a case against a lurker... but Peeker, Bill, and I all have plenty of posts to analyze... What's even funnier is that his reason for his top 2 suspects after Tex was that we were playing like ass and missing things... Kinda like how he "missed" the glaring holes in Tex's claim? Or how he "missed" the logic flaw in not wanting Ginger to shoot Tex because Tex might self protect? I'm not buying it... I think Pollux is scum and although he has played well thus far, the Texcat shooting exposed enough of his true colors for me to think he's scum. Unvote: Unvote Texcat Vote: Vote Pollux
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 2, 2011 16:09:22 GMT -5
Colby was lynched for making a mistake with names, now I have will cast my vote based on the same mistake made: Vote: Moley? Could you be more specific? She means I said she voted for Colby, when she voted for Paul. Gah! Well I got what I wanted anyway! Honest mistake by Honest Moley... Deon's the one person who hadn't posted anything since the start of today, so I didn't recheck what she'd written. Incidentally that's the second time I've mixed up Paul and Colby. Hopefully it won't become a habit.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 16:09:36 GMT -5
FCUK! I just spent over an hour typing up a response to Moley and building a case.... and I lost it all when I tried to post....
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 16:12:09 GMT -5
Colby was lynched for making a mistake with names, now I have will cast my vote based on the same mistake made: [c olor=Blue]Vote: Moley[/color][/b][/quote] Wait... what? What name mistake did Moley make.... and even if he did... didn't that logic result in a mislynch? "Hey this failed last time... let's do it again!"
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 16:17:06 GMT -5
FCUK! I just spent over an hour typing up a response to Moley and building a case.... and I lost it all when I tried to post.... Oh nvmnd... it did post.... HOORAY!
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 16:21:10 GMT -5
? Could you be more specific? She means I said she voted for Colby, when she voted for Paul. Gah! Well I got what I wanted anyway! Honest mistake by Honest Moley... Deon's the one person who hadn't posted anything since the start of today, so I didn't recheck what she'd written. Incidentally that's the second time I've mixed up Paul and Colby. Hopefully it won't become a habit. Okay but still... and I have said this since the whole Colby thing started... mistaking names is not a scum tell... it's not even game relevant. If this course of logic failed us the first go around when Colby flipped town, what makes Deon think it will work this time? Using your name mix up as evidence of you trying to mislead us and backing it up with a case of your other nefarious deeds is one thing... using it as sole logic behind placing a very weak and empty vote.... that's another thing altogether.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 16:27:09 GMT -5
@Paulwhoisaghost. I did a reread of yesterDay's voting and I did read that Pollux was not feeling a lynch of Texcat after the false claim. BUT, Pollux was the very first one to point out the fact that the protector would be protecting SCUM during the day, it is post #205 from Day 3. For this fact would Pollux buss a scum buddy by pointing that out.
Now knowing that, would Bill buss a scum buddy to gain town credit right off the bat starting Day 4. He might of read what went on at the end of Day 3 and had his plan of action. Just a thought.
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Post by Deni on Nov 2, 2011 16:29:08 GMT -5
Ok now onto my continuation of thoughts. Bill Mc - hmmmm - Bill is alive so he must be scum... if Bill is scum then he must die. Ok so let's read through his posts and see what we can find. His odd comment on day 1, you all know it "I would be a heartless bastard to bus a fellow scum with my first post of the game" except he didn't bus anyone so his comment was confusing. Sinjin dug into this like a little terrier refusing to let go. Bill was either being an evasive scum or he truly thought she was being a irritating gnat. Honestly the scummiest or the most anti town thing Bill Mc has done was not vote Day 1 or Day 3. Of course, I do believe his vote on gnarly is weak. I don't even know how one could turn gnarly's mistake into a scum tell error.
I have no read on Inner, in fact as I was going through the list's I realized the Inner has completely slipped under my radar. Reading through his post taught me nothing.
Lightfoot, I keep flopping back and forth on. One minute I think she could be scum the next minute I think she is town so again I have nothing.
The rest I have on my Town or Possible town list - Pollux Oil (if he isn't town I will be truly shocked), Honest Moley, gnarly, and Ginger (obviously).
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Post by Deni on Nov 2, 2011 16:48:03 GMT -5
@ Paulwhoisaghost. I did a reread of yesterDay's voting and I did read that Pollux was not feeling a lynch of Texcat after the false claim. BUT, Pollux was the very first one to point out the fact that the protector would be protecting SCUM during the day, it is post #205 from Day 3. For this fact would Pollux buss a scum buddy by pointing that out. Now knowing that, would Bill buss a scum buddy to gain town credit right off the bat starting Day 4. He might of read what went on at the end of Day 3 and had his plan of action. Just a thought. I am going to say yes. There were enough holes in Texcat's claim that absolutely a scum would buss her to gain town credit. The fact that Texcat didn't even show up until her death makes me wonder if the scum team didn't already plan that the night before.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 16:53:45 GMT -5
@ Paulwhoisaghost. I did a reread of yesterDay's voting and I did read that Pollux was not feeling a lynch of Texcat after the false claim. BUT, Pollux was the very first one to point out the fact that the protector would be protecting SCUM during the day, it is post #205 from Day 3. For this fact would Pollux buss a scum buddy by pointing that out. Now knowing that, would Bill buss a scum buddy to gain town credit right off the bat starting Day 4. He might of read what went on at the end of Day 3 and had his plan of action. Just a thought. I am going to say yes. There were enough holes in Texcat's claim that absolutely a scum would buss her to gain town credit. The fact that Texcat didn't even show up until her death makes me wonder if the scum team didn't already plan that the night before. Especially considering the quote from Bill that you posted about bussing a scumbuddy with the first post. Things that make you go hmmmmm....
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 16:56:09 GMT -5
@ Paulwhoisaghost. I did a reread of yesterDay's voting and I did read that Pollux was not feeling a lynch of Texcat after the false claim. BUT, Pollux was the very first one to point out the fact that the protector would be protecting SCUM during the day, it is post #205 from Day 3. For this fact would Pollux buss a scum buddy by pointing that out. Now knowing that, would Bill buss a scum buddy to gain town credit right off the bat starting Day 4. He might of read what went on at the end of Day 3 and had his plan of action. Just a thought. About Pollux... you don't find it odd that he wasn't feeling a Texcat lynch following the false claim at the end of Day 3... but his very first post on Day 4 is a vote for Texcat? my whole point about his stance on Texcat is that he was bussing Tex following Bill's vote and other discussion that brought up suspicion on Tex. About Bill, as I said... he could have been bussing Tex... but I think it was a little early to see where the Day was going to take us... So if he was bussing Texcat, then it worked on me.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 16:59:57 GMT -5
@ Paulwhoisaghost. I did a reread of yesterDay's voting and I did read that Pollux was not feeling a lynch of Texcat after the false claim. BUT, Pollux was the very first one to point out the fact that the protector would be protecting SCUM during the day, it is post #205 from Day 3. For this fact would Pollux buss a scum buddy by pointing that out. Now knowing that, would Bill buss a scum buddy to gain town credit right off the bat starting Day 4. He might of read what went on at the end of Day 3 and had his plan of action. Just a thought. About Pollux... you don't find it odd that he wasn't feeling a Texcat lynch following the false claim at the end of Day 3... but his very first post on Day 4 is a vote for Texcat? my whole point about his stance on Texcat is that he was bussing Tex following Bill's vote and other discussion that brought up suspicion on Tex. About Bill, as I said... he could have been bussing Tex... but I think it was a little early to see where the Day was going to take us... So if he was bussing Texcat, then it worked on me. That is the very reason I went back and looked at what went on with all the claims, I wanted to see what Pollux had stated. I thought it was he that pointed out the mistake in the claim by texcat. The statement about not feeling a lynch on textcat, after the claim but before the #205 post. Maybe he thought about it and saw the mistake.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 17:01:58 GMT -5
Ok now onto my continuation of thoughts. Bill Mc - hmmmm - Bill is alive so he must be scum... if Bill is scum then he must die. Ok so let's read through his posts and see what we can find. His odd comment on day 1, you all know it "I would be a heartless bastard to bus a fellow scum with my first post of the game" except he didn't bus anyone so his comment was confusing. Sinjin dug into this like a little terrier refusing to let go. Bill was either being an evasive scum or he truly thought she was being a irritating gnat. Honestly the scummiest or the most anti town thing Bill Mc has done was not vote Day 1 or Day 3. Of course, I do believe his vote on gnarly is weak. I don't even know how one could turn gnarly's mistake into a scum tell error. I have no read on Inner, in fact as I was going through the list's I realized the Inner has completely slipped under my radar. Reading through his post taught me nothing. Lightfoot, I keep flopping back and forth on. One minute I think she could be scum the next minute I think she is town so again I have nothing. The rest I have on my Town or Possible town list - Pollux Oil (if he isn't town I will be truly shocked), Honest Moley, gnarly, and Ginger (obviously). Again... why would you be so shocked if Pollux wasn't town? What reasoning do you have to support your thoughts that he is town? How do you counter my case against him? Or are you content to sit back and let someone you believe to be town get lynched? (Not saying he will be lynched, but that is my intention. I think he should be lynched... if you disagree why would you not argue against it? Isn't your silence equivalent to acceptance/agreement?) Can we stop cuddling each other without giving logic reasons why we think the other people are town?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 2, 2011 17:07:00 GMT -5
@ Paul: In other news, I've been over Paul's posts. (This was a fun time for me. I think I knew how much fun it would be when "Jesus Peek... do you love the smell of your own piss or something?" was his first post.) Things that stood out for me (I'm not even going to TRY and use quote tags otherwise I'll be here all damn afternoon): "Wow... So Colby get's a vote for not reacting enough... and another vote for overreacting... Well Colby, I guess no matter what you do people are gonna want to jump on that wagon." I thought at the time that if Colby flipped town, this would be a powerful point in Paul's favour. Well, he did, and it is. That's real analysis and observant enough that it doesn't look like scum "buddying" to me. Next is the argument with Scathach, which I won't go into in any detail. (I've already commented on some of Paul's part of it anyway, and we know Scat was a townie.) I don't think Paul's reasoning holds up, but nor do I think it's necessarily indicative of scum. Reminds me of those times when this happens: Townie A: I think townie B is scum. Townie B: I know I'm not scum, therefore Townie A's reasoning is flawed. Maybe he's scum. Townie A: Townie B OMGUS'd me, he is clearly scum. I'll look for more evidence against him. Townie B: Townie A clearly has it out for me, he's coming up with evidence that doesn't even make sense. I have to find more evidence to show the others that Townie A is actually scum. Etc, etc, etc... my point is that this looks like an argument between two suspicious, frustrated townies. Even Paul seems to get this later on: "So essentially you think I'm scummy because I think you're scummy... It could be a playstyle clash... if so, I'm sorry... I'm like a dog with a bone... once I have it in my head that's someone is scummy I have a hard time seeing non-scummy reasons for their actions on my own." The looks to me like a townie who's suspecting he might have been supporting the wrong lynch, not like scum backpedalling. It's also particularly interesting that even though he disagreed with Sinjin, and actually insulted her at one point, I don't feel that he "smudged" her in gameplay terms. I thought Paul was likely town before last night, but Colby's flip has made me a lot more confident than I was. I'll try and get a few other people done ASAP. Plankton's dead but I feel as though I've been ignoring Lightfoot. I've also not looked into Peeker, Deon, Bill or Deni very much yet. Did you miss my entire post? I pretty much analyze everything you've done in Day One and Day Two. As for Bill, his case on Gnarley basically amounts to him pointing out that Gnarley said "two of these are scum" when he obviously meant "two of these are town". Maybe I'm judging him too harshly because he basically owned an entire scum team in "Wonderland", but I'm not seeing the same level of activity here as in that game. I'm not inclined to attach too much significance to Bill's early Tex vote either. Tex had just been caught out in a fairly massive lie at the end of the previous day. A smart scum team would have at least one or two of them "bus" Tex if they thought he was going to be lynched or vigged anyway. It's not a point I want to argue to death because I said I had no read on Bill, and I meant it. Beyond the feeling that he could play a lot more aggressively than he has, I haven't really got anything against or for him. I'm interested in seeing what Ed comes up with on that score, it can't be any less conclusive than what I've got. Also I will look back at Pollux. He's one of the few players I haven't gone through in depth today, but then he's been off my radar since my vote for him on Day One. I don't trust my own judgement when it comes to The Most Suspicious Man In The Universe. @ Deni - Fair points on Silver Jan, Texcat, Peeker, and Paul. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. About Peek... it's not so much his late vote and reaction to my suggestion that bothers me, as much as the fact that with both Moody and Ginger he didn't seem to even have read the roleclaims before posting. Still not sure on Ed either, but I think he looks better right now than he did at the start of today.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 2, 2011 17:08:18 GMT -5
Regarding Deon I’ve summarized but you can follow the link below for the complete history idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=deonD1 No vote D2 Has not been informed of any penalty for not voting D1 D3 D4 Posts a summary of the past Day’s votes, followed by So Deon are you going to contribute anything other than a vote count? Ed So now that your two "scumbuddies" are town, anyone else on your list? Gnarly, I consider you one of a very few that are good players. You just don't make those kind of mistakes. Not sure what to think about that. And here I thought that even with 20 hour working days the past week, which should end on the 3rd :-), and a special event preventing me to post until now for today, that sumone would have actually seen sum of the posts I made so far :-( See above we don’t have much to go on now do we?? Q honest moley This is a tad baffling to me Then Drop in a vote Two Days pushing paul then this What? Not a whit of elaboration (Moley had to explain what was meant here) Not to mention that went poorly last time. And bye bye It’s not the lurkiness of the player but the scumminess of the posts. And talk about ‘pulling an Amy” with that vote on Moley then dashing off……………. (If/when Deon becomes the lynch leader they will not be forced to attempt a false/or any claim= die quietly) Vote: Deon I was putting together a nice study of Bill but I will leave it in the closet for now.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 2, 2011 17:10:01 GMT -5
About Pollux... you don't find it odd that he wasn't feeling a Texcat lynch following the false claim at the end of Day 3... but his very first post on Day 4 is a vote for Texcat? my whole point about his stance on Texcat is that he was bussing Tex following Bill's vote and other discussion that brought up suspicion on Tex. About Bill, as I said... he could have been bussing Tex... but I think it was a little early to see where the Day was going to take us... So if he was bussing Texcat, then it worked on me. When I wasn't feeling a texcat lynch, it was before she claimed, just fyi. You might want to check your facts before you build a false case on me. My first post today was a vote for Texcat because I did exactly what Deni said she did: I sat down and thought about it and realized texcat's claimed role was completely anti-town. Also, Drainbead wasn't dead during Day 3, which was the crux of my case against Texcat. As for me not remembering Texcat couldn't protect herself, there are two explanations for that: a) I'm visiting friends at the moment and kind of popping in and out to check up on what's going on, so I didn't have time to double check her claim. And b) even if I did, I would have pointed out that if texcat's power was the same, just a scum power, it would be stupid if she couldn't protect herself, and if she was scum she would easily lie about being able to protect herself, especially since Ginger had already claimed when she put together hers. And after the disaster of the end of Day 3, Texcat would obviously protect herself since her claim was going to completely fall apart with Drainbead's death. Unvote: Texcat Vote: peeker Going down my list today, since texcat is now buried and gone, peeker has not said or done anything toDay to make me feel any differently about him. His playstyle has been completely off and not like peeker at all: at least not like peeker who is actively hunting scum. This is half-gut, half-how peeker has been acting.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 17:11:42 GMT -5
About Pollux... you don't find it odd that he wasn't feeling a Texcat lynch following the false claim at the end of Day 3... but his very first post on Day 4 is a vote for Texcat? my whole point about his stance on Texcat is that he was bussing Tex following Bill's vote and other discussion that brought up suspicion on Tex. About Bill, as I said... he could have been bussing Tex... but I think it was a little early to see where the Day was going to take us... So if he was bussing Texcat, then it worked on me. That is the very reason I went back and looked at what went on with all the claims, I wanted to see what Pollux had stated. I thought it was he that pointed out the mistake in the claim by texcat. The statement about not feeling a lynch on textcat, after the claim but before the #205 post. Maybe he thought about it and saw the mistake. Look at it this way. Texcat was at risk of being lynched. It was a little late to jump on the bandwagon and expect any TC out of it. So a scum Pollux would say that he wasn't feeling it in order to shine a negative light on the lynch. When the lynch wasn't going away he posted the negative aspect of Tex's claim. Which wasn't an error in logic... it was an opinion on how the mod would balance the game... and it also shows a POV that Pollux knows you are telling the truth... if he didn't, then he couldn't base that opinion on you being the day vig... both false claims would be unverified... maybe it's because it was your claim he was using as support against Tex's claim... but I think you should be able to see that his argument against Tex's claim reeks of PIS that you were telling the truth. In any case... Yes, it's possible that I am wrong and Pollux saw things differently toDay than he did after the false claim yesterDay.... but what about the rest of my case? The possibility that I'm wrong about one aspect of my case does not dismiss the case as a whole... When all the pieces of the puzzle fit together and point to scum... I think scum... if you tell me one of those pieces may fit, but doesn't actually belong, I'm still gonna look at the rest of the puzzle and go... okay maybe... but I'm still seeing scum.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2011 17:21:38 GMT -5
Paul, you have a better track record for finding scum than I have. I was just pointing that out about pollux and bill
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 17:24:07 GMT -5
@ Paul: In other news, I've been over Paul's posts. (This was a fun time for me. I think I knew how much fun it would be when "Jesus Peek... do you love the smell of your own piss or something?" was his first post.) Things that stood out for me (I'm not even going to TRY and use quote tags otherwise I'll be here all damn afternoon): "Wow... So Colby get's a vote for not reacting enough... and another vote for overreacting... Well Colby, I guess no matter what you do people are gonna want to jump on that wagon." I thought at the time that if Colby flipped town, this would be a powerful point in Paul's favour. Well, he did, and it is. That's real analysis and observant enough that it doesn't look like scum "buddying" to me. Next is the argument with Scathach, which I won't go into in any detail. (I've already commented on some of Paul's part of it anyway, and we know Scat was a townie.) I don't think Paul's reasoning holds up, but nor do I think it's necessarily indicative of scum. Reminds me of those times when this happens: Townie A: I think townie B is scum. Townie B: I know I'm not scum, therefore Townie A's reasoning is flawed. Maybe he's scum. Townie A: Townie B OMGUS'd me, he is clearly scum. I'll look for more evidence against him. Townie B: Townie A clearly has it out for me, he's coming up with evidence that doesn't even make sense. I have to find more evidence to show the others that Townie A is actually scum. Etc, etc, etc... my point is that this looks like an argument between two suspicious, frustrated townies. Even Paul seems to get this later on: "So essentially you think I'm scummy because I think you're scummy... It could be a playstyle clash... if so, I'm sorry... I'm like a dog with a bone... once I have it in my head that's someone is scummy I have a hard time seeing non-scummy reasons for their actions on my own." The looks to me like a townie who's suspecting he might have been supporting the wrong lynch, not like scum backpedalling. It's also particularly interesting that even though he disagreed with Sinjin, and actually insulted her at one point, I don't feel that he "smudged" her in gameplay terms. I thought Paul was likely town before last night, but Colby's flip has made me a lot more confident than I was. I'll try and get a few other people done ASAP. Plankton's dead but I feel as though I've been ignoring Lightfoot. I've also not looked into Peeker, Deon, Bill or Deni very much yet. Did you miss my entire post? I pretty much analyze everything you've done in Day One and Day Two. As for Bill, his case on Gnarley basically amounts to him pointing out that Gnarley said "two of these are scum" when he obviously meant "two of these are town". Maybe I'm judging him too harshly because he basically owned an entire scum team in "Wonderland", but I'm not seeing the same level of activity here as in that game. I'm not inclined to attach too much significance to Bill's early Tex vote either. Tex had just been caught out in a fairly massive lie at the end of the previous day. A smart scum team would have at least one or two of them "bus" Tex if they thought he was going to be lynched or vigged anyway. It's not a point I want to argue to death because I said I had no read on Bill, and I meant it. Beyond the feeling that he could play a lot more aggressively than he has, I haven't really got anything against or for him. I'm interested in seeing what Ed comes up with on that score, it can't be any less conclusive than what I've got. Also I will look back at Pollux. He's one of the few players I haven't gone through in depth today, but then he's been off my radar since my vote for him on Day One. I don't trust my own judgement when it comes to The Most Suspicious Man In The Universe. @ Deni - Fair points on Silver Jan, Texcat, Peeker, and Paul. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. About Peek... it's not so much his late vote and reaction to my suggestion that bothers me, as much as the fact that with both Moody and Ginger he didn't seem to even have read the roleclaims before posting. Still not sure on Ed either, but I think he looks better right now than he did at the start of today. I didn't miss it... I just find it odd that your whole point in thinking I am town is that I was against lynching Colby... and that I didn't smudge Sinjin even though I got seriously pissed at her. I just find it odd... it would take a lot more for me to be "shocked" about anyone turning up scum.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Nov 2, 2011 17:27:26 GMT -5
About Pollux... you don't find it odd that he wasn't feeling a Texcat lynch following the false claim at the end of Day 3... but his very first post on Day 4 is a vote for Texcat? my whole point about his stance on Texcat is that he was bussing Tex following Bill's vote and other discussion that brought up suspicion on Tex. About Bill, as I said... he could have been bussing Tex... but I think it was a little early to see where the Day was going to take us... So if he was bussing Texcat, then it worked on me. When I wasn't feeling a texcat lynch, it was before she claimed, just fyi. You might want to check your facts before you build a false case on me. My first post today was a vote for Texcat because I did exactly what Deni said she did: I sat down and thought about it and realized texcat's claimed role was completely anti-town. Also, Drainbead wasn't dead during Day 3, which was the crux of my case against Texcat. As for me not remembering Texcat couldn't protect herself, there are two explanations for that: a) I'm visiting friends at the moment and kind of popping in and out to check up on what's going on, so I didn't have time to double check her claim. And b) even if I did, I would have pointed out that if texcat's power was the same, just a scum power, it would be stupid if she couldn't protect herself, and if she was scum she would easily lie about being able to protect herself, especially since Ginger had already claimed when she put together hers. And after the disaster of the end of Day 3, Texcat would obviously protect herself since her claim was going to completely fall apart with Drainbead's death. Unvote: Texcat [/color] Vote: peeker [/color] Going down my list today, since texcat is now buried and gone, peeker has not said or done anything toDay to make me feel any differently about him. His playstyle has been completely off and not like peeker at all: at least not like peeker who is actively hunting scum. This is half-gut, half-how peeker has been acting.[/quote] I apologize for not fact checking... my case against you was built solely on toDay... my previous post was based on Ginger's post in which she stated that your stance was following the false claim.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 2, 2011 17:28:05 GMT -5
@ Paul: Did you miss my entire post? I pretty much analyze everything you've done in Day One and Day Two. As for Bill, his case on Gnarley basically amounts to him pointing out that Gnarley said "two of these are scum" when he obviously meant "two of these are town". Maybe I'm judging him too harshly because he basically owned an entire scum team in "Wonderland", but I'm not seeing the same level of activity here as in that game. I'm not inclined to attach too much significance to Bill's early Tex vote either. Tex had just been caught out in a fairly massive lie at the end of the previous day. A smart scum team would have at least one or two of them "bus" Tex if they thought he was going to be lynched or vigged anyway. It's not a point I want to argue to death because I said I had no read on Bill, and I meant it. Beyond the feeling that he could play a lot more aggressively than he has, I haven't really got anything against or for him. I'm interested in seeing what Ed comes up with on that score, it can't be any less conclusive than what I've got. Also I will look back at Pollux. He's one of the few players I haven't gone through in depth today, but then he's been off my radar since my vote for him on Day One. I don't trust my own judgement when it comes to The Most Suspicious Man In The Universe. @ Deni - Fair points on Silver Jan, Texcat, Peeker, and Paul. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. About Peek... it's not so much his late vote and reaction to my suggestion that bothers me, as much as the fact that with both Moody and Ginger he didn't seem to even have read the roleclaims before posting. Still not sure on Ed either, but I think he looks better right now than he did at the start of today. I didn't miss it... I just find it odd that your whole point in thinking I am town is that I was against lynching Colby... and that I didn't smudge Sinjin even though I got seriously pissed at her. I just find it odd... it would take a lot more for me to be "shocked" about anyone turning up scum. Oh, that was the edited version. There was a LOT more. I had to edit it down from about six pages because it was so... incredibly... boring. You had fifty eight posts. Basically I went through your interactions with Peeker at the start, with Ed later on... just about everything. The advantage of that level of analysis is you don't have to start second-guessing yourself later on. The disadvantage is you find yourself asking: "Why the hell didn't I start with Zuma"?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Nov 2, 2011 17:33:57 GMT -5
Oh the flip side, that analysis was done over the Night Two period. So if it turns out you were "recruited" at the start of Day Three, I might seriously be tempted to shoot somebody...
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Post by Deni on Nov 2, 2011 17:44:50 GMT -5
Ok now onto my continuation of thoughts. Bill Mc - hmmmm - Bill is alive so he must be scum... if Bill is scum then he must die. Ok so let's read through his posts and see what we can find. His odd comment on day 1, you all know it "I would be a heartless bastard to bus a fellow scum with my first post of the game" except he didn't bus anyone so his comment was confusing. Sinjin dug into this like a little terrier refusing to let go. Bill was either being an evasive scum or he truly thought she was being a irritating gnat. Honestly the scummiest or the most anti town thing Bill Mc has done was not vote Day 1 or Day 3. Of course, I do believe his vote on gnarly is weak. I don't even know how one could turn gnarly's mistake into a scum tell error. I have no read on Inner, in fact as I was going through the list's I realized the Inner has completely slipped under my radar. Reading through his post taught me nothing. Lightfoot, I keep flopping back and forth on. One minute I think she could be scum the next minute I think she is town so again I have nothing. The rest I have on my Town or Possible town list - Pollux Oil (if he isn't town I will be truly shocked), Honest Moley, gnarly, and Ginger (obviously). Again... why would you be so shocked if Pollux wasn't town? What reasoning do you have to support your thoughts that he is town? How do you counter my case against him? Or are you content to sit back and let someone you believe to be town get lynched? (Not saying he will be lynched, but that is my intention. I think he should be lynched... if you disagree why would you not argue against it? Isn't your silence equivalent to acceptance/agreement?) Can we stop cuddling each other without giving logic reasons why we think the other people are town? Seriously Paulwiag - first of all I didn't even read your post before I posted mine because I was putting together my own thoughts, so wasn't countering your case just voicing my thoughts. Maybe it doens't work for you but I try to figure out who is town as well it helps narrow down the scum for me. I reread through Pollux's post after reading your thoughts and I disagree with you. It is just that simple. Pollux noticed the discrepancies in Texcat's claim during the last half an hour of Day 3. The scum team would have noticed that and had a chance to work with it at the start of Day 4. Like or not the reason I think Pollux is town is because I find nothing scummy in any of his posts. And FWIW Pollux's didn't say he was against a Texcat lynch he was worried that Texcat could self protect and nothing would change. Honestly am I reading different posts than you.
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Post by special on Nov 2, 2011 18:11:44 GMT -5
@ Paulwhoisaghost. I did a reread of yesterDay's voting and I did read that Pollux was not feeling a lynch of Texcat after the false claim. BUT, Pollux was the very first one to point out the fact that the protector would be protecting SCUM during the day, it is post #205 from Day 3. For this fact would Pollux buss a scum buddy by pointing that out. Now knowing that, would Bill buss a scum buddy to gain town credit right off the bat starting Day 4. He might of read what went on at the end of Day 3 and had his plan of action. Just a thought. Yes and Yes. Both would willingly bus a teammate.
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