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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 13:51:14 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 13:51:14 GMT -5
This post is just weird, all your votes are for people who voted for Mahaloth and yet in the very next post you wonder why he hasn't claimed yet. My votes are for people voting mahaloth for what I consider to be either no reason at all, or for very bad reasons. The fact that I wonder why he hasn't claimed has nothing to do with the fact, for example, that you voted for him 'because all the cool kids are doing it'. I find his lack of a claim to be curious, and a bit suspicious, but I haven't found enough other evidence to warrant a vote against him.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 13:52:08 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 17, 2012 13:52:08 GMT -5
As someone mentioned, it has been done before where someone false claimed witch. It was on the dope, I'm pretty sure it was Conspiracy 2, and I think it was Nanook who did it, but it might have been NBC. The player was cabal, and the witches were fine leaving him on a short rope for a bit until one of them had to claim and then countered the false claim. So Idle could be lying, but there's no good reason not to believe him at this point. Your memory is correct. It was Conspiracy 2, the player who false claimed was Nanook, and we (the Witches) were fine with waiting a while to counterclaim. Thing is, we had towait until we had a demonstrable result that Nanook didn't claim. His claims for investigation N1 and N2 were, somehow, fairly accurate - leading the Coven (Roosh, Hockey Monkey and myself) to wonder whether their secret power was to read the Witches investigative results. We had to act when the nonTown faction started killing Witches. Roosh died N2 and Hockey Monkey N3. This set a deadline of the end of N4 to claim Witch, so that Pleo's role reveal confirmed my claim and the nonTown forces had no time to react that same Night. I need to place a vote. I want to check up on some things before voting. Back soon.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 13:53:36 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 17, 2012 13:53:36 GMT -5
This line is bullsh!t. They has only ever been one game with two undead and given that Ed has kindly posted the full list of setups, how can you say this. Well, I've played in every Conspiracy...so chalk it up to a bad memory, then. I only seemed to remember two in the last game, but I guess I'm wrong/misremembering.
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Jan 17, 2012 13:54:15 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 13:54:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know when EOD is and how many hours away it is? I believe it is at noon PST, which is in about 67 minutes.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 13:56:11 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 13:56:11 GMT -5
I don't like it when people are attacked based on their personality/play style. Again, my main beef with her was the reason she was voting. Voting for someone just because they say they're Town seems extremely weak and out there. It very possibly was a weak reason but it is only Day1 and you were just about jumping up and down saying "look, I'm TOWN" what was that all about? Then you were very mean to me and there was no reason for you to do that
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 13:57:47 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 13:57:47 GMT -5
Does anyone know when EOD is and how many hours away it is? I believe it is at noon PST, which is in about 67 minutes. Thank you, I should be able to stay awake that long ;D
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 13:58:11 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jan 17, 2012 13:58:11 GMT -5
One thing that I think a lot of people are neglecting (Burb being the most recent example, but certainly not the only one) is the fact that allowing unlimited voting AND requiring 13 votes for lynch is going to lead to votes being made for reasons that will generally be weaker than they would be in a game where you get only one vote and the lynch leader dies regardless of how many votes they get.
Mind you, I am now almost certain of Mahaloth being non-Town, because as you mention, if he's Town, he should have claimed by now.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:00:31 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 17, 2012 14:00:31 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Janet. Seriously. But I disagree I was jumping up and down saying "I'm Town." I said it once and then when called on/asked about it, just confirmed it all the other times. You can't count me saying if people are ASKING me about it...those shouldn't be counted. It's like if someone said they were so and so role (take Vicar, for example). And someone asks them "What role did you say you were again?" And they answer "Vicar". You don't go and say "OHHH, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE VICAR ALL OVER THE PLACE, OVER AND OVER." Because they said it just once...the second time was answering someone's question, so it really shouldn't count. Do you see what I mean?
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:06:47 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 14:06:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Janet. Seriously. But I disagree I was jumping up and down saying "I'm Town." I said it once and then when called on/asked about it, just confirmed it all the other times. You can't count me saying if people are ASKING me about it...those shouldn't be counted. It's like if someone said they were so and so role (take Vicar, for example). And someone asks them "What role did you say you were again?" And they answer "Vicar". You don't go and say "OHHH, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE VICAR ALL OVER THE PLACE, OVER AND OVER." Because they said it just once...the second time was answering someone's question, so it really shouldn't count. Do you see what I mean? Ok, apology accepted, it's over now. That post where I voted for you was the most complicated one I have ever done and I was quite proud of it
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:11:37 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jan 17, 2012 14:11:37 GMT -5
I'm a detective.
Happy? Now, I'm dead either way at Night unless I'm protected.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:12:42 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 14:12:42 GMT -5
One thing that I think a lot of people are neglecting ( Burb being the most recent example, but certainly not the only one) is the fact that allowing unlimited voting AND requiring 13 votes for lynch is going to lead to votes being made for reasons that will generally be weaker than they would be in a game where you get only one vote and the lynch leader dies regardless of how many votes they get. Mind you, I am now almost certain of Mahaloth being non-Town, because as you mention, if he's Town, he should have claimed by now. Making votes for "weak reasons" is one thing. Making a vote for no apparent game-related reason at all is something else entirely. And making such a vote where it appears that the only reason for the vote is to pad the numbers strikes me as something "not to be done". That being said, this is my first experience with these unusual voting rules...if the consensus is that I'm being naive, then I'll accept that.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:15:43 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 14:15:43 GMT -5
Oh dear
Unvote Mahaloth
and now I feel really stupid.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:18:59 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 14:18:59 GMT -5
I'm a detective. Happy? Now, I'm dead either way at Night unless I'm protected. I'm not voting for you at the moment, but I'm not at all happy. In fact, I sure as hell hope you're lying. You picked up your 13th vote 11 hours ago. Why wait until now to claim? Did you think that people were going to spontaneously unvote you? And on preview, with Jan's unvote we now have a no-lynch situation.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:21:51 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jan 17, 2012 14:21:51 GMT -5
1. I thought I had had 12 votes. My bad.
2. I was seriously waiting as long as possible to reveal my role. I'm not detective often, but I hate hate hate hate claiming it earlier.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:23:03 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 14:23:03 GMT -5
If Mahaloth is lying, it's a very strange role to choose to lie about, it can so easily be disproved by a counter claim.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:23:54 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 17, 2012 14:23:54 GMT -5
I'm a detective. Happy? Now, I'm dead either way at Night unless I'm protected. nice, safe, full of shit claim.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:26:41 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 17, 2012 14:26:41 GMT -5
If Mahaloth is lying, it's a very strange role to choose to lie about, it can so easily be disproved by a counter claim. oh ffs, get off the damn pain meds. it's the easiest false claim in this set up to make. i mean multiples are not unheard of and because of delays just buys time.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:27:05 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 14:27:05 GMT -5
If Mahaloth is lying, it's a very strange role to choose to lie about, it can so easily be disproved by a counter claim. Not necessarily in this game, as there may be more than one Detective. There were 4 in the last Conspiracy game (see Post 64).
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:29:44 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 17, 2012 14:29:44 GMT -5
Also, vote Pollux OilHe too treats mahaloth and I as a single unit. Also, he pointed out Idle's apparent PIS slip but didn't vote him for it (the same sort of behavior he uses as a basis for his vote on me). Er, what? I voted for you because you looked like you were trying to smudge Ed at the beginning of the Day. I even said so in my vote for you. What does that have to do with PIS? - Pollux for the weak PIS accusation It wasn't an accusation, it was a question. I didn't yell out "HEY, IDLE LOOKS LIKE HE HAS PIS!" Yes, I pointed out his wording was questionable, but I asked him to explain. Furthermore, I didn't vote for him right away. I don't like voting immediately on slips because often times they turn out to be not slips at all. Sometimes, yes, most of the time no. Behavior after a "slip" is what to watch for. But the chances that Idle would get a similar secret power to the one he had last game seem slim to me, personally. That didn't mean I also didn't want clarification as to what he said. Who knows, maybe a simple question would cause him to break down, pull all his hair out, and tell everyone he's a necromancer. ---- And now I see mahaloth's made an 11th hour claim. Hmmm.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:32:01 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 14:32:01 GMT -5
So are you telling me that you would risk killing off a Town detective? I can always put my vote back, there's still half an hour. I must say I didn't think about multiple detective roles.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:37:53 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jan 17, 2012 14:37:53 GMT -5
Yeah, there may be more than one. My role does say "a" detective, just like the explained one in the rules thread.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:38:30 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 14:38:30 GMT -5
Vote Mahaloth
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Post by special on Jan 17, 2012 14:40:33 GMT -5
Oh dear Unvote Mahalothand now I feel really stupid. Why would you feel stupid? And why would this claim make you unvote
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Post by special on Jan 17, 2012 14:42:31 GMT -5
Can we get some more votes on mahaloth please?
Even if you aren't convinced, just so we can be sure there are no last minutes shenanigans and we end up with a no lunch.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:43:20 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 14:43:20 GMT -5
So are you telling me that you would risk killing off a Town detective? I can always put my vote back, there's still half an hour. I must say I didn't think about multiple detective roles. This is an no-Vanilla game. It's unlikely that anyone is going to claim Cabal, Undead, or Wolf (at this stage anyway...there might be a reason later in the game), so all that's left for anyone to claim is one or another Town Power. No matter who we lynch, we risk lynching a "Town something-or-other".
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:44:47 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 14:44:47 GMT -5
Can we get some more votes on mahaloth please? Even if you aren't convinced, just so we can be sure there are no last minutes shenanigans and we end up with a no lunch. Well, if mahaloth is going to take away my lunch, then I'll certainly vote for him!
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Post by special on Jan 17, 2012 14:45:12 GMT -5
On my phone, too hard to check. Wolves can't day talk, right?
If mahaloth clips wolf, can we kill silver jan then? And I know well have to wait a cycle to find out
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:45:26 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jan 17, 2012 14:45:26 GMT -5
So are you telling me that you would risk killing off a Town detective? I can always put my vote back, there's still half an hour. I must say I didn't think about multiple detective roles. This is an no-Vanilla game. It's unlikely that anyone is going to claim Cabal, Undead, or Wolf (at this stage anyway...there might be a reason later in the game), so all that's left for anyone to claim is one or another Town Power. No matter who we lynch, we risk lynching a "Town something-or-other". OK, I get it, it is past my bedtime though so I am struggling a bit.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 14:47:04 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 17, 2012 14:47:04 GMT -5
On my phone, too hard to check. Wolves can't day talk, right? If mahaloth clips wolf, can we kill silver jan then? And I know well have to wait a cycle to find out The Wolves know the identities and roles of the other Wolves. They may speak secretly at Night (on a secret board) and may choose to have a Wolf kill one player each Night.So you are correct, Wolves cannot communicate by Day.
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Day One
Jan 17, 2012 15:00:23 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 17, 2012 15:00:23 GMT -5
Votes for Mahaloth.
At the outset, let me note that it is my impression that Mahaloth does tend to attract a lot of Mafia-aligned roles. He is often Mafia. Nevertheless that does not make him more likely to be Town in this (or any other) game.
That being said, I got the feeling from my first read that people were voting for Mahaloth because he has a lot of Mafia roles.
Fast note. Even as I wrote the above, Mahaloth claimed Detective, a semi-verifiable role (there are plenty that are not, depending on setup.) The problem is that the role can be spoofed, especially if Mahaloth is a Wolf or Vampire.
Early voters for Mahaloth included: - CatInASuit (105). Voted for everyone, and has been unvoting people he thinks are less suspicious. Not the way I would do it, but seemingly perfectly viable. No real significance to that then.
Scathach (113). An early vote, she could have misunderstood, or might have picked up on an early tell.
Mr Special Ed (120). Echoes Scathach's vote – presumably for her reasons.
Nanook (125-145). Votes Mahhaloth for baiting Peeker. That seemed plausible on first read, and I'd have liked a bit more time to read – but the only worse day for Dusk in two different games to fall would be Wednesday (aka I'm overcommited right now). Rescinded vote in 145 to put more pressure on Idle Thoughts.
Septimus (133). Backs Nanook's cases.
Pollux Oil (138). Piggybacked on Scathach's case.
Idle Thoughts (144). Defensive vote, but up-front about it.
I don't get a Mafia feel from Mahaloth's play, unless he's overcome his own personal Mafia tell, so I'm not going to vote for him. The most suspicious of the votes I've looked at is Idle's, but a claimed Witch is not a good lynch – I'd rather lose a Detective than a Witch.
The next most suspicious is Ed's (I'm far more receptive to Nanook's case than Scathach's) and Scathach's. However, the Mafia faction most interested in getting rid of a Detective is the Wolves, and I do believe Ed isn't a wolf.
So the early votes don't show much chance of being a bandwagon on someone in the Other Teams.
If the clams are true I'd rather lose a Detective than a Witch, and the latter is more falsifiable. However, keep an eye on Peeker, who may be the Omega Wolf gambling on there being no Freemasons.
Vote Mahaloth just in case of a last minute unvote.
I hate doing that.
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