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Post by lauriern on May 20, 2012 18:16:52 GMT -5
Idle, When/how would our nightkills be considered complete? Sorry! I missed your previous post.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2012 18:18:37 GMT -5
One of three ways:
1. Everyone votes on who to kill (not going to happen..heh...there are a few inactive scum).
2. Three people (that you all vote for) take a very far lead (so far two people have four or more votes each). I'd say if three people got to, say, 5 or more votes each, then obviously those are the people that everyone wants to kill.
3. 5 of you agree/say "It's okay to start Day now"
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2012 18:44:15 GMT -5
Oops, sorry for locking it. Accident.
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Post by lauriern on May 20, 2012 18:52:20 GMT -5
One of three ways: 1. Everyone votes on who to kill (not going to happen..heh...there are a few inactive scum). 2. Three people (that you all vote for) take a very far lead (so far two people have four or more votes each). I'd say if three people got to, say, 5 or more votes each, then obviously those are the people that everyone wants to kill. 3. 5 of you agree/say "It's okay to start Day now" Thank you
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Post by lianne on May 20, 2012 18:55:01 GMT -5
As well as his advice above, Idle put a separate thread on the Scum board suggesting we could make a claim (like michelehunter did) if it looked like we were about to be lynched. Obviously that was me in the last vote - do people think I should have done that? I don't think I would have been confident enough to do it as I don't understand the roles enough to bluff them. (Of course, it's perfectly possible michelehunter is bluffing too.)
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Post by annem on May 20, 2012 18:58:24 GMT -5
I agree on michelehunter - if she is what she says we might as well remove her while it's still likely she'll take another Town with her. And stopping the discussion of what her role is would be a bonus. Guiri seems to be asking good (dangerous) questions. I'm not sure about a third, so I won't put in an official vote yet, but these are likely to be my first two choices when I do. Caught up now and I agree with those who suggested Septimus, so: vote: Michelehunter Guiri Septimus And thanks for unlocking the thread - I thought I'd missed my chance.
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Post by lauriern on May 20, 2012 19:13:38 GMT -5
Idle suggested we talk strategies for Day 3. I know Amykb wants Meeko to go. I can get on board with that, but just want to hear who/what others are thinking.
Should we pick a few & see if we can steer things in that direction depending on posts?
Should we pick one & try to make things go in that direction?
I'm clueless, here. Anyone have some ideas to share?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2012 19:17:40 GMT -5
Michele: 6 Guiri: 5 Septimus: 3 Catinasuit: 2 Gadarene: 2 Mahaloth: 1 Kagemoto: 1 Archangel: 1 Meeko: 1
Michele and Guiri both have the majority vote, so they're definitely two choices (unless someone changes their mind).
Ya'll just have to decide on a third person now. 5 or 6 on one of the rest will be majority vote.
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Post by lianne on May 20, 2012 19:30:31 GMT -5
Michele: 6 Guiri: 5 Septimus: 3 Catinasuit: 2 Gadarene: 2 Mahaloth: 1 Kagemoto: 1 Archangel: 1 Meeko: 1 Michele and Guiri both have the majority vote, so they're definitely two choices (unless someone changes their mind). Ya'll just have to decide on a third person now. 5 or 6 on one of the rest will be majority vote. Texcat You could keep your vote on Septimus as well as the one on michelehunter if you want. And still vote for one more person as we have 3 votes each. Pleonast endhoot and mistde have yet to vote.
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Post by texcat on May 20, 2012 19:50:26 GMT -5
Not sure who else I want to NightKill. Guiri is probably the scariest player still alive, but he is suspicious of both lianne and me. It might point to one or the other of us trying to get rid of him. Do we have any clue who saw cathi's mis-post Night One? I don't see anyone posting about that time. I'd sure like to NK whoever it was though.
Vote: Kagemoto He seems like he could be one of the most dangerous new players.
I plan on attacking Suburban Plankton at dawn. I need to re-read his posts and vote on Day 2, but I voted for him on Day 1 due to his random.org vote. He should know better.
Meeko is probably lynchable, but he will relentlessly attack anyone who votes for him. And I am just not up to trying to decipher his posts and engage him. But I can probably throw my vote in there at the end for him.
Can someone summarize the case on lianne for me? Is there anything we can do to defend her? Although, the best defense is always a good offensive case on someone else.
I'm not very good at claiming, and so will probably just claim vanilla town if forced to claim. It might be possible for some of us to claim masons, but it would be nice if we could get a real mason claim first.
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Post by AmyKay on May 20, 2012 20:22:12 GMT -5
I'm still hesitant on guiri. He voted for lianne and texcat, both scum. wouldn't it look like we were afraid of him and confirm he's doing a good job, then make those two folks more likely to get lynched? or does that not really matter? experienced players, what do you think?
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 20, 2012 20:38:38 GMT -5
Unvote: Kagemoto
Vote: Septimus
I understand that it seems like we should work out strategy for Day Three. But isn't that just what town is looking for? Evidence of a concerted effort.
If we all just act like we are town and spend our time looking for scum I think that would keep people confused for a longer period of time.
Such an approach does require that we act like town. There's plenty of scummy behavior among the town so as long as none of us behave too much like scum, we should be fine. Meeko is scummy because he posts a lot, but never really says anything. Suburban is scummy because of the random vote. Wombat is scummy for going after Mchelle even after the evidence against her was explained. I think a case can be made against Gadarene. I'm sure there is more.
Lianne, town people do not get so defensive because they are confident in their case. You have to handle accusations and votes against you much more calmly. Just explain why you did whatever it is that they are saying is pinging them.
When someone brings up your previous defensiveness (and someone will, maybe me), just explain that you thought the whole idea was to not be killed and you were enjoying the game a lot and the idea of being killed so soon set you off. And now you understand that the mislynch of a town is not the end of the world after reading people explaining it to Michelle in the Night Two thread. This will help against the accusation that you were coached in the Scum thread.
And you may have to explain that a few times. Lots of people seem to skim.
Anyway, that is my take on it.
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Post by lianne on May 20, 2012 21:07:10 GMT -5
Thank you for your advice. I was answering each person individually in a calm manner to start with but once people had got on my case it didn't make much difference what I said. dizzymrslizzy and Meeko have both shown much more extreme defensive behaviour. Not only should people be pulling them up for it too, but we all know that they are in fact Town so I'm not even convinced looking for defensive behaviour is very indicative of Scum anyway.
The people who have been "caught out" were francecsaj and Lightfoot (as the other 2 kills were merely because they were experienced players) and their mistakes were in tiny little errors not overall behaviour.
And before you accuse me of being defensive here, I am just taking the opportunity to speak freely while I can and get input from more experienced players. I obviously don't want to get in the same position again but if we all concentrate on other players it seems that people move onto new trains of thought and new targets quite quickly on here.
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 20, 2012 21:08:12 GMT -5
I'm still hesitant on guiri. He voted for lianne and texcat, both scum. wouldn't it look like we were afraid of him and confirm he's doing a good job, then make those two folks more likely to get lynched? or does that not really matter? experienced players, what do you think? That is certainly possible. Lianne and texcat may have to put up with a bit of a row. But it is not necessarily the case that this gets them lynched...though I suppose it might push Lianne over the top. Clearly there is plenty I still do not understand. If things went as I understand them, lianne would have been a unanimous pick for lynching.
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 20, 2012 21:33:53 GMT -5
Thank you for your advice. I was answering each person individually in a calm manner to start with but once people had got on my case it didn't make much difference what I said. dizzymrslizzy and Meeko have both shown much more extreme defensive behaviour. Not only should people be pulling them up for it too, but we all know that they are in fact Town so I'm not even convinced looking for defensive behaviour is very indicative of Scum anyway. The people who have been "caught out" were francecsaj and Lightfoot (as the other 2 kills were merely because they were experienced players) and their mistakes were in tiny little errors not overall behaviour. And before you accuse me of being defensive here, I am just taking the opportunity to speak freely while I can and get input from more experienced players. I obviously don't want to get in the same position again but if we all concentrate on other players it seems that people move onto new trains of thought and new targets quite quickly on here. It does not matter if defensive behavior is a good scum tell or not, as long as there are people who believe it to be. I promise you that if I was a town in this game, I would have been whipping the "lynch lianne" horse with much determination. And I would be picking up in Day Three where I left off in Day Two. Finally, yes, little slips have been significant, but as the game goes on and the number of posts pile up, behavior is going to mean more and more. I would not be surprised if there are two or three experienced players who, based on our behaviors, already have a good (correct) idea who is scum but are keeping it under their hat for the time being (else they would need protection from NK). Keep in mind that my advice is coming from someone who has played this game just as long (and no longer) than you have.
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Post by annem on May 20, 2012 21:43:23 GMT -5
I'm still hesitant on guiri. He voted for lianne and texcat, both scum. wouldn't it look like we were afraid of him and confirm he's doing a good job, then make those two folks more likely to get lynched? or does that not really matter? experienced players, what do you think? I'm not an experienced player, but at this point they are not sure that we have more than one kill, so they can't be certain which kills are ours and which come from other night actions.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2012 21:55:29 GMT -5
Michele: 6 Guiri: 5 Septimus: 4 Catinasuit: 2 Gadarene: 2 Mahaloth: 1 Kagemoto: 1 Archangel: 1 Meeko: 1
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Post by lianne on May 20, 2012 21:58:41 GMT -5
texcat Did you realise you unvoted septimus so you have only voted for 2 people at present?
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Post by lianne on May 20, 2012 22:08:54 GMT -5
Right it's 4am here so I'm off to bed. In case Idle closes this thread before i get a chance to come back on here, I have a strong suspicion that if michelehunter goes I will go with her so I may not get to talk to you again so Good Luck Team! Win it for all of us!
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 20, 2012 22:16:36 GMT -5
I'm not an experienced player, but at this point they are not sure that we have more than one kill, so they can't be certain which kills are ours and which come from other night actions. Excellent observation! It will be interesting how this plays out.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 20, 2012 23:08:22 GMT -5
Since scum cannot kill themselves, though, they'll know that if any scum ever die (like on Night One) it was obviously not done by you.
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Post by cathi on May 20, 2012 23:24:39 GMT -5
Unvote: Archangel Vote: Gadarene Okay, I know I advocated getting Gad mislynched, but I've been doing some re-reading and changed my mind. Here's why: Oh, and I'm a Town Power Role. Go ahead and lynch me too. Is he serious? This is out of frustration to the "Save Pleo" campaign not working, but sometimes people say things tongue-in-cheek to make a point. A few posts later he says: snipped Maybe I'm not actually a Town Power Role, Meeko. Let the scum worry about it. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this that makes everybody want to automatically lynch people who are trying to give the scum something to worry about. snipped If anything, failure of people to claim earlier kept the game alive and allowed the Scum (me!) to win. He just made a "claim" and then sort of retracts it but says it can be important to claim early. Is this damage control? The truth? I don't know, but what made me REALLY suspicious was this: Thanks, Ed. I appreciate that. In a little while I'll try to go through the thread and do my best to identify four or five people in addition to starrirain who I think have a greater than random chance of being scum. If I die toNight, and I sort of expect to, than I hope that people look back at my post and give the people I name a little extra scrutiny.Bolding mine. Hello? Another detective? He was wrong about starrirain, but it sounds like he might have access to some intel. Or is Gad that good? Hmmmm...
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 20, 2012 23:28:56 GMT -5
Works for me.
Unvote: Maholoth
Vote: Gadarene
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Post by cathi on May 20, 2012 23:35:45 GMT -5
As for a plan for Day3, I agree with Rich's observation that "they" will be looking for gangs of people working together toward a common end. Example, Laurie, Lianne, and Annem were all three on BOTH MISlynch wagons. If you all vote together again, how long will it take people to suspect that you "know" each other? Btw, one of the REAL reasons I voted for dizzymrslizzy on Day1 was BECAUSE there weren't (m)any scum on her wagon.
But if we could either lead the charge (subtly, of course) on 2 or 3 Townies, that will help spread the vote and not look too suspicious. Or we could choose a couple of Townies we want to implicate and jump on whatever bandwagons they are riding, shoring up their arguments but not putting ourselves "out there".
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Post by AmyKay on May 21, 2012 0:20:31 GMT -5
okay, doesn't look like we're gonna kill off Meeko tonight, so I'll unvote him and swap him in for Septimus, AND move my vote from catinasuit to Gadarene. [I'm all about ousting anyone perceived to have extra knowledge, LoL.]
unvote Meeko unvote catinasuit vote Septimus vote Gadarene
now, I'm unavailable after another hour straight up until 5 or 6pm tomorrow, Pacific Time (which, at this point in the year, I believe is the same as AZ time), so I can't help much with plotting Day Three, though I'll be sure to read whatever strategies are posted and try to implement my comments to go along here or there if I think I could be believed. I've also had company visiting since the game began who leave Tuesday, so I hope to get a little more involved, but we'll see if I find things to say, LoL!
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Post by Rich Beckman on May 21, 2012 0:28:03 GMT -5
I believe the count is:
Michelle 6
Guiri 5
Gadarene 5
Septimus 5
Hey, Texcat!! Want to break that three was tie for third place with your third vote?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2012 5:53:57 GMT -5
Michele: 6 Guiri: 5 Gadarene: 5 Septimus: 5 Catinasuit: 1 Kagemoto: 1
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2012 5:54:31 GMT -5
Actually, two more votes will have to be cast to separate two of the "5" votes from the tie.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2012 5:54:50 GMT -5
Day ends in 11 hours.
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Post by lauriern on May 21, 2012 6:48:33 GMT -5
If I move my vote off Guiri and onto Gad, it will break the 3 way tie. I just don't want to be the only one to make the decision. Are we feeling like we want Gad to go now & wait until next time for Guiri? I only have until about noon (EST) to change my vote b/c I have to work tonight.
Opinions, please?
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