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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 26, 2012 19:41:01 GMT -5
CRYS is now replacing INNER STICKLER.
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Post by crys on Jun 26, 2012 21:14:08 GMT -5
Yay i am reincarnated
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Post by Archangel on Jun 26, 2012 21:16:08 GMT -5
I'm dead too and I am still reading it all lol Glad to hear it, Lianne!
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Post by lauriern on Jun 26, 2012 21:18:48 GMT -5
OOG - Make that 4 - been dead for several days & I'm still reading every word
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Post by crys on Jun 26, 2012 22:08:32 GMT -5
I'm not sold on Patricia being Town, but in looking things over, I have a different candidate I want to highlight: Annetastic. She made 13 posts before Day One even started.
On Day One she makes a couple of n00b posts, gets some good logic in, claims she might not have the wits to make it in Mafia, and tries to help out fellow n00bs with things she has figured out (like quoting and coloring). [nothing that pings, but it shows that she's interested in figuring things out and helping n00bs get a good experience.]
On Day Two, she wants to know how a Scum was "lynched" in the Night. [yes, many of us were a little confused, but maybe she was completely thrown because she thought she knew who was "supposed" to "die."] A minute later, she adds in "not that I am complaining," perhaps to cover a little bit. Then, she agrees with a few posts, offers a little theorizing of her own, then promptly disappears for a few weeks. [she did mention she'd be gone for a while back on Day 0.]
She returns to vote Meeko on Day 5, agreeing with Patricia's reasoning to vote him. [she had agreed with a generic post Patricia made on Day 2 as well, which may or may not mean anything. I suspect she just pays extra attention to posts from those she "knows" from packrat.]
Day 6 is a vote for Annem and a thank-you to Hal for doing a good job investigating. [expected behavior from anyone.]
She misses Day 7 but mentions "glad we got a scum though yay" on Night 7... then suggests that Patricia might be scum, based on Patricia's vote for Meeko and how "at home" she feels posting - but at at that point, anne had made ~38 posts to Patricia's ~35, so they were really about even. [and, although 13 of anne's post were before the game really started, she also missed a few weeks, so it balances out fairly well.] She says she "can't seem to grasp the game," despite the fact that she had a few thoughtful posts herself in the first few Days. [Perhaps, as numbers began to dwindle, she was getting nervous about standing out...]
But, then it gets interesting. On Night 8, anne apologizes for not being too active, as the game isn't her "cup of tea." [not that big a deal that she's not a fan, but the night before she was suspicious of those who ARE more active... odd, no?] In the same post, she mentions that she would have dropped out but doesn't want the bind Idle's in to be any worse. BUT, she also suggests that many of the newbie inactives must be town because "special roles" would be more interested in playing. [Not only do we know that not to be true (MHaye was the third person to be #15, a Doctor, and Septimus #2 spawned into a Mason's spot), but it could help to explain why she feels such a need to keep playing - she sees scum as a "special role."] In her next post (ten minutes later), she says
I personally know Michelle hunter and a couple of other players for example and am glad I think she is town as I would feel I was betraying her to vote her scum as I deal with her in a few other games I play on FB, though if I thought she was scum I would have no qualms about voting to lynch her which is kinda a little bit of everything - it's an immediate post she could be aiming to be generic enough that perhaps it would cover her previous post and what you could read into it. it's also a contradiction - first, she says that voting MicheleHunter as Scum would feel like a betrayal, but then says that if she thought Michele was Scum, she'd have no qualms voting her. So, which is it? Could you vote for Michele or not? Maybe she didn't feel the need to take a definite stance because, if anne was Scum, she might know Michele is Town, and therefore it would never be an issue. BUT, Patricia is also from packrat, so either anne doesn't know her in that game (completely possible, as I don't know anne in that game and I've been playing it for four years) or something else is going on - maybe a bus to get some Town cred (as others are suspicious of Patricia as well, and she was almost lynched yesterDay), or maybe the whole contradiction was fabricated to get people to pay attention to that post over the one right before it. Later, she says "I would look at the ones who have not posted much but seem to be trying too hard to fit in." - even though she's suspicious of Patricia because she's posting too much. [again, all over the place in some areas.]
bottom line, vote annetastic for inconsistency in what she's saying, what she's doing, and what she's using to find people suspicious.
I can get behind this case amy. Depending on what else comes about I may just vote with you.
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Post by jmj697mn on Jun 27, 2012 1:09:18 GMT -5
I'm still here too......I've been enjoying reading along since I was killed days ago. Can't wait for the next one
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 1:31:39 GMT -5
I like amykb's case on Annetastic, I think it could have some merit.
I have given myself some WIFOM over Inner's role seeing that Crys has taken over, I was beginning to think that Inner was Town and just couldn't play due to RL issues, as an experienced player he would know that scum participation is essential if they want to win. Pleo cleared Inner, for what it's worth, which made me think that Inner could be scum but now that Crys has taken over the role I am back to thinking it could be a Town role. If I sound confused it's just because I am.
I have another problem too, I stated my distrust of Patricia in the Night thread and here I am, still alive, so that makes me think a) I am way off base with her and scum don't mind the case on her b) I was protected or the WIFOM of a protection made scum leave me alone or c) Scum think I am stupid enough in the game to let me live.
If Meeko is scum then he is playing one hell of a good game, bussing a fellow scum for 7 Days seems a bit OTT to me.
I don't know what to think about gnarly, he has started posting more but he said that he has changed his play style, his play style could also have changed because he is scum and the last of the experienced players there.
It could be that Patricia and Annetastic are scum buddies?
Guiri's vote for Richbeckman made me sit up straight, Rich was not on my radar up until then and quite frankly he still isn't, guiri now is though, I definitely need to put more thought into that. Guiri was a really good PFK, in fact he is a really good player. I had the feeling that when he was resurrected he came back as Town (I don't know how to back and re-read while I am composing a post, probably open another window?), I want to see what gave me that impression.
I won't vote right now because there are just too many suspects for me to be able to just pick one at the moment.
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 27, 2012 1:59:18 GMT -5
Updating with subs
3. gnarlycharlie 5. Suburban Plankton 8. CatinaSuit 9. Archangel 11. Cathi 14. phoenixphyre 19. supermel- investigated town by Pleonast (fake detective) 21. dizzymrslizzy 24. annetastic 27. Silver Jan- mason 28. Meeko 29. AmyKB 32. JustBeingGinger 33. Total Ulla 34. Inner Stickler/Crys -investigated town by Pleo 36. Wombat99 37. susanmurphy 38. richbeckman 39. Patricia 40. cassipietz 42. guiri 43. jerelijah 45. Colby11 47. Hal Briston- detective 48. Michelehunter- investigated town by Pleonast 50. LadyRogue 51. Starrirain 56. Suits101 58. Paranoia
29 players left, for the record. Will do some thinking tomorrow... When i am more awake
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 2:13:04 GMT -5
Night seems to be going on longer than normal .... in reply to silver jan I don't think knowing who is on at night will help unless they are in your time zone, I am always on during Idles night as I am in UK. also thanks for your ideas on Patricia she still pings me and I will also be voting for her in Day 9 unless someone comes on and confirms a scum Just another post from Annetastic that seems strange, why would I assume that someone that is playing at the same time as me will be scum? It looks as if I posted at about 2am, which I can assure you I did not. I am on central african time, 2 hours ahead of UK at the moment. I don't think that the scum boards would be detectable from this board or you could just go ahead and do a post count to find scum.
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Post by guiri on Jun 27, 2012 2:57:30 GMT -5
Guiri's vote for Richbeckman made me sit up straight, Rich was not on my radar up until then and quite frankly he still isn't, guiri now is though, I definitely need to put more thought into that. Have you been sitting up straight for 2 weeks? I suspected he was scum almost one month ago and once TexCat was dead, I voted him. Or a reason for the vote on your buddy? The rest of my post stands, I suspect you are scum, I gave a number of reasons to suspect you and if Texcat flips scum, I'll be happy to vote you. I see richbeckman has no votes and I preferred Starrirain's case on cathi to the others.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 27, 2012 3:49:31 GMT -5
If Meeko is scum then he is playing one hell of a good game, bussing a fellow scum for 7 Days seems a bit OTT to me. OTT ?
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Post by Suits101 on Jun 27, 2012 5:24:02 GMT -5
I'm not sold on Patricia being Town, but in looking things over, I have a different candidate I want to highlight: Annetastic. She made 13 posts before Day One even started.
On Day One she makes a couple of n00b posts, gets some good logic in, claims she might not have the wits to make it in Mafia, and tries to help out fellow n00bs with things she has figured out (like quoting and coloring). [nothing that pings, but it shows that she's interested in figuring things out and helping n00bs get a good experience.]
On Day Two, she wants to know how a Scum was "lynched" in the Night. [yes, many of us were a little confused, but maybe she was completely thrown because she thought she knew who was "supposed" to "die."] A minute later, she adds in "not that I am complaining," perhaps to cover a little bit. Then, she agrees with a few posts, offers a little theorizing of her own, then promptly disappears for a few weeks. [she did mention she'd be gone for a while back on Day 0.]
She returns to vote Meeko on Day 5, agreeing with Patricia's reasoning to vote him. [she had agreed with a generic post Patricia made on Day 2 as well, which may or may not mean anything. I suspect she just pays extra attention to posts from those she "knows" from packrat.]
Day 6 is a vote for Annem and a thank-you to Hal for doing a good job investigating. [expected behavior from anyone.]
She misses Day 7 but mentions "glad we got a scum though yay" on Night 7... then suggests that Patricia might be scum, based on Patricia's vote for Meeko and how "at home" she feels posting - but at at that point, anne had made ~38 posts to Patricia's ~35, so they were really about even. [and, although 13 of anne's post were before the game really started, she also missed a few weeks, so it balances out fairly well.] She says she "can't seem to grasp the game," despite the fact that she had a few thoughtful posts herself in the first few Days. [Perhaps, as numbers began to dwindle, she was getting nervous about standing out...]
But, then it gets interesting. On Night 8, anne apologizes for not being too active, as the game isn't her "cup of tea." [not that big a deal that she's not a fan, but the night before she was suspicious of those who ARE more active... odd, no?] In the same post, she mentions that she would have dropped out but doesn't want the bind Idle's in to be any worse. BUT, she also suggests that many of the newbie inactives must be town because "special roles" would be more interested in playing. [Not only do we know that not to be true (MHaye was the third person to be #15, a Doctor, and Septimus #2 spawned into a Mason's spot), but it could help to explain why she feels such a need to keep playing - she sees scum as a "special role."] In her next post (ten minutes later), she says
I personally know Michelle hunter and a couple of other players for example and am glad I think she is town as I would feel I was betraying her to vote her scum as I deal with her in a few other games I play on FB, though if I thought she was scum I would have no qualms about voting to lynch her which is kinda a little bit of everything - it's an immediate post she could be aiming to be generic enough that perhaps it would cover her previous post and what you could read into it. it's also a contradiction - first, she says that voting MicheleHunter as Scum would feel like a betrayal, but then says that if she thought Michele was Scum, she'd have no qualms voting her. So, which is it? Could you vote for Michele or not? Maybe she didn't feel the need to take a definite stance because, if anne was Scum, she might know Michele is Town, and therefore it would never be an issue. BUT, Patricia is also from packrat, so either anne doesn't know her in that game (completely possible, as I don't know anne in that game and I've been playing it for four years) or something else is going on - maybe a bus to get some Town cred (as others are suspicious of Patricia as well, and she was almost lynched yesterDay), or maybe the whole contradiction was fabricated to get people to pay attention to that post over the one right before it. Later, she says "I would look at the ones who have not posted much but seem to be trying too hard to fit in." - even though she's suspicious of Patricia because she's posting too much. [again, all over the place in some areas.]
bottom line, vote annetastic for inconsistency in what she's saying, what she's doing, and what she's using to find people suspicious.
I see the logic behind this explanation and second that vote for the same reasons. vote annetastic
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Post by lianne on Jun 27, 2012 7:06:01 GMT -5
OOG as I'm dead but make that 2 Archangel - I'm still reading every word!! Idle may still be needing some more subs...maybe you should ask him. I am patiently waiting my reincarnation I can't I was Scum...I know too much ;D
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Post by crys on Jun 27, 2012 7:26:55 GMT -5
Pleonast didn't just put a glass of wifom he put a whole keg. With his little clearing act he managed to put us on edge because he may have cleared a scum buddy or two.
I'm beginning to think he didn't he actually confirmed town to see how long he could pull of his little ruse. Had he been able to go a little longer things may have changed. I mean we basically wasted a whole day on a scum hunt wild goose chase allowing the scum to lead us in killing off town and then they took out two more with nk. Let's get focused and stop helping scum take us out.
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Post by supermel on Jun 27, 2012 8:28:00 GMT -5
idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=userrecentposts&user=supermel (I don't know how to post the exact post and i don't have much time on here right now, but it is in my list of posts...) I think my vote against inner stickler did not get counted on day 8... it would not have made a difference but i did vote and wanted that noted... I would vote inner stickler again as i still feel suspicious, but since there is a sub, i will go on to my next suspect and give it a little more time. Vote: gnarlycharlie The reasons are in agreement with what has been posted... The resurgence of play after pleo's demise seems suspicious. I also think there is still scum that know the game and it seems that gnarlycharlie has some play experience. I think that if gnarlycharlie was town he would have been picked off before the town that was nk'ed...
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 27, 2012 8:46:57 GMT -5
Before this wagon gains any more momentum, let's hit the brakes:
annetastic is town.
Unfortunately, my saying that means she should probably start writing her will, but better she's nightkilled than mislynched.
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 27, 2012 8:51:20 GMT -5
I don't about supermel and innerstickler but I am town, I'm thinking Pleo thought once he turned scum then town would lynch his "3" cleared townies just in case.
No sure where to go from here, I'll check back to see later on.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 27, 2012 9:05:35 GMT -5
Before this wagon gains any more momentum, let's hit the brakes: annetastic is town.Unfortunately, my saying that means she should probably start writing her will, but better she's nightkilled than mislynched. unfortunately this will put pressure on me. let's see where this goes. you may get what you wish for, Hal. also, Vote: JustBeingGinger
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 27, 2012 9:09:31 GMT -5
by the way, Ginger, i had RL issues. i moved and didn't have internet connection for weeks. i thought i mentioned that. if not, you can always check my last game on Giraffe and the Dope. i mentioned it there.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 27, 2012 9:10:52 GMT -5
I don't about supermel and innerstickler but I am town, I'm thinking Pleo thought once he turned scum then town would lynch his "3" cleared townies just in case. No sure where to go from here, I'll check back to see later on. Perhaps he was after "They won't investigate me, the will investigate one of my picks first. Once they find out that they are town, they will leave the prospect of investigating me alone." It's one or two steps "out there" but I think that Pleonasts play, his playstyle, indeed his "normal" is one or two steps out there.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 27, 2012 9:13:23 GMT -5
Pleonast didn't just put a glass of wifom he put a whole keg. I believe a wise Mafia player once stated something to the effect of "Pleonast MIGHT be putting wine out in front of scum, but he is DEFINITELY forcing Town to drink." ;D
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Post by Archangel on Jun 27, 2012 9:14:18 GMT -5
Hal, is there anyone living (besides Annetastic) that you've investigated? Colby's list is helpful keeping things straight (I'm starting to lose who's who with third generation substitutes) but I think it's more useful to have your investigations on the list than Pleo's?
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Post by Archangel on Jun 27, 2012 9:15:04 GMT -5
NETA: I'm not looking for you to reveal investigations you don't want to reveal. What I mean is there anyone else you've already revealed that's living besides Annetastic? I'm getting really confused.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 27, 2012 9:30:09 GMT -5
[OOG: Glad to see that several of you have the bug! It's always good to have new blood around here.]
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 27, 2012 10:00:45 GMT -5
Idle may still be needing some more subs...maybe you should ask him. I am patiently waiting my reincarnation I can't I was Scum...I know too much ;D Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way?
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 27, 2012 10:04:34 GMT -5
I mean all she would know is who is town and all scum no that already right? Sorry am vastly confused by that statement
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 27, 2012 10:05:03 GMT -5
I can't I was Scum...I know too much ;D Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way? No, it is not saying that. A person who was Scum cannot come back into the game. He or she clearly cannot come back as Town because they already know who all the Scum players are. They cannot come back as Scum because Town would understand that they must be Scum and would immediately lynch them.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 27, 2012 10:19:19 GMT -5
Before this wagon gains any more momentum, let's hit the brakes: annetastic is town.Unfortunately, my saying that means she should probably start writing her will, but better she's nightkilled than mislynched. How interesting. It is still pretty early in the Day; I realize that there was pressure building on Annetastic, but it seems like you could have waited a bit and maybe the votes would have swung elsewhere. I would think that you would at least give Annetastic a chance to come back and defend herself (she hasn't posted at all yet Today), make her case for why we should not vote for her, and *then* reveal your investigation if she wasn't convicing and she was still in danger of being lynched.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 27, 2012 10:29:57 GMT -5
I can't I was Scum...I know too much ;D Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way? No I think she was saying that since she was scum it would be obvious if she came back as a scum player that she was scum again. She can't be town because she knows who the scum team is. So anyone who is dead that is scum cannot come back regardless of who needs to be replaced. I also don't understand Jan's thought that because Crys came back as Inner that Inner couldn't have been scum. For the same reason, a Town player can replace another Town player, or they could play as scum, or a power role, because they are going from knowing nothing in their previous role to knowing something in their new role. KWIM?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 27, 2012 10:35:02 GMT -5
Hal, is there anyone living (besides Annetastic) that you've investigated? Colby's list is helpful keeping things straight (I'm starting to lose who's who with third generation substitutes) but I think it's more useful to have your investigations on the list than Pleo's? Archangel, Hal has already stated that his results the last two nights were town. I'd assume they were both still alive. But if you can give us, say, four townies (or even one scum), then that, coupled with my last to investigations (both town),
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