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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 12:08:35 GMT -5
If Meeko is scum then he is playing one hell of a good game, bussing a fellow scum for 7 Days seems a bit OTT to me. OTT ? Over The Top!!! Guiri, it was your last vote that made me sit up and take note and btw I always sit up straight, unless I slouch
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Post by Archangel on Jun 27, 2012 12:21:02 GMT -5
Hal, is there anyone living (besides Annetastic) that you've investigated? Colby's list is helpful keeping things straight (I'm starting to lose who's who with third generation substitutes) but I think it's more useful to have your investigations on the list than Pleo's? Archangel, Hal has already stated that his results the last two nights were town. I'd assume they were both still alive. But if you can give us, say, four townies (or even one scum), then that, coupled with my last to investigations (both town), Yes, I know, but he didn't want to reveal them, which I'm okay with (but he has revealed annetastic now to avoid her being lynched). My question is are all the people he revealed as town previously dead? I guess they are, given someone said yesterDay Jan is the only remaining confirmed town.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 27, 2012 12:23:58 GMT -5
This is all I'm trying to do, make this list: (based off of Colby's but the Pleo investigations are a distraction to me)
Updated list
3. gnarlycharlie 5. Suburban Plankton 8. CatinaSuit 9. Archangel 11. Cathi 14. phoenixphyre 19. supermel 21. dizzymrslizzy 24. annetastic: investigated town by Hal 27. Silver Jan- mason 28. Meeko 29. AmyKB 32. JustBeingGinger 33. Total Ulla 34. Inner Stickler (who replaced IS?) 36. aleetha 37. susanmurphy 38. richbeckman 39. Patricia 40. cassipietz 42. guiri 43. jerelijah 45. Colby11 47. Hal Briston- detective 48. Michelehunter 50. LadyRogue 51. Starrirain 56. Suits101 58. Paranoia
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 12:24:50 GMT -5
Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way? No I think she was saying that since she was scum it would be obvious if she came back as a scum player that she was scum again. She can't be town because she knows who the scum team is. So anyone who is dead that is scum cannot come back regardless of who needs to be replaced. I also don't understand Jan's thought that because Crys came back as Inner that Inner couldn't have been scum. For the same reason, a Town player can replace another Town player, or they could play as scum, or a power role, because they are going from knowing nothing in their previous role to knowing something in their new role. KWIM? I thought I explained my WIFOM on that one, I think Inner/Crys could be scum but it was Inner not playing that I thought he/she could be Town. I wrote at 8am totally sober, its now 7:30pm and I have had real wine. I am totally OK with Crys being scum now.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 12:30:47 GMT -5
Archangel, Hal has already stated that his results the last two nights were town. I'd assume they were both still alive. Yes, I know, but he didn't want to reveal them, which I'm okay with (but he has revealed annetastic now to avoid her being lynched). My question is are all the people he revealed as town previously dead? I guess they are, given someone said yesterDay Jan is the only remaining confirmed town. As far as I remember, Hal did not reveal the other Townie that he found, he only said Annetastic was Town cos it looked as if there was a wagon growing, me on it too, bad Jan.
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 27, 2012 12:36:05 GMT -5
Before this wagon gains any more momentum, let's hit the brakes: annetastic is town. Unfortunately, my saying that means she should probably start writing her will, but better she's nightkilled than mislynched. How interesting. It is still pretty early in the Day; I realize that there was pressure building on Annetastic, but it seems like you could have waited a bit and maybe the votes would have swung elsewhere. I would think that you would at least give Annetastic a chance to come back and defend herself (she hasn't posted at all yet Today), make her case for why we should not vote for her, and *then* reveal your investigation if she wasn't convicing and she was still in danger of being lynched. unsized. sorry, annetastic. while I agree with wombat that it would have been helpful to hear your explanation for some of your posts/train of thought first (which you still might do), I can see why Hal went ahead and announced his investigation after a few others agreed with the case I presented. While it wasn't out of left field (apparently even Hal had some suspicion), I'm still back to the drawing board. unvote annetastic
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 27, 2012 12:58:58 GMT -5
While it wasn't out of left field (apparently even Hal had some suspicion), I'm still back to the drawing board. Yup -- some of the things she said obviously caused me to give her a glance askance, hence the investigation. As for waiting before clearing her, I wasn't going to have town waste time on a dead-end avenue. However, in retrospect, I find that I probably should've waited. While there would have been town-on-town accusations made, there also would likely have been scum heaping on her as well. I blew a chance to have scum put their collective feet in their mouths -- so, sorry about that. I'll tell you what, if you start a bandwagon against the other townie I investigated, I'll keep my mouth shut for a longer stretch.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 13:20:44 GMT -5
While it wasn't out of left field (apparently even Hal had some suspicion), I'm still back to the drawing board. Yup -- some of the things she said obviously caused me to give her a glance askance, hence the investigation. As for waiting before clearing her, I wasn't going to have town waste time on a dead-end avenue. However, in retrospect, I find that I probably should've waited. While there would have been town-on-town accusations made, there also would likely have been scum heaping on her as well. I blew a chance to have scum put their collective feet in their mouths -- so, sorry about that. I'll tell you what, if you start a bandwagon against the other townie I investigated, I'll keep my mouth shut for a longer stretch. If you had waited we could have, perhaps, found scum, I would have wasted a whole Day on confirmation bias so I am glad that you cleared her, strike one off my list. So maybe back to Patricia or gnarly?? Or ( I know you don't start a sentence with "or") someone else that I haven't taken into consideration. Maybe back to dizzymrslizzy, no, not so far, she is coming across so Town that maybe? ? Yep it's a smudge but only a tiny one. Guiri or Richbeckman are on my radar. They don't seem to get along but... and what about Wombat again? He's a good player, just cos he came back, doesn't mean he's Town. After all this, I am absolutely no help at all, sorry guys, I promise I will vote before EOD and my choice is between Patricia and gnarly, oh and guiri.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 13:34:32 GMT -5
@ Archangel, wasn't Aleetha taken over by someone else?
Susanmurphy hasn't played for a while, we used to be friends on PR but she got rid of me, after giving me a Foil.
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 27, 2012 13:41:50 GMT -5
Crys took over for Inner, while Wombat took over for aleetha. I made a note in my second list
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 13:55:15 GMT -5
Hal how many scum have you given Town? I think it's 4 but I could be wrong, all your confirmed Townies are dead. There is one more that you haven't revealed. I was just considering a case of you being scum and it did't go there. I can't see a case of you being scum at the moment. I can see the case of there being another detective and surely it's time to come out. The thing that will happen though is that a Scum will claim. This game is at the size that normal games start, geez I want to be spoiled lol. Not really, I am loving the game Vote Patricia
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 27, 2012 14:02:45 GMT -5
Crys took over for Inner, while Wombat took over for aleetha. I made a note in my second list I should have pen and paper next to me all the time, thanks though Colby, I will send you bunnies LOL, no I won't, I respect you too much!
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 27, 2012 18:08:57 GMT -5
21. Dizzymrslizzy: leaning scum. I've given my reasons previously but an additional reason is that she's been fairly quiet since Pleonast was lynched. (same for richbeckman, actually, who i will get to later). If Pleo was leading the scum then she might be in regrouping-mode. So the only reason you think I'm scum is because I've been quiet the last few days. Actually if you've noticed, I've been fairly quiet the last two weeks or so. My son finished up with school and I've been at the beach/pool/out 8+ hours a day. I've been coming home, catching up, doing the housework I've missed and going to bed. Sorry! I actually disagree with a LOT of the feelings you have. dizzymrslizzy, I meant to ask you this earlier but what with getting NK'd and all it slipped my mind What else from what I posted on Day 8 do you disagree with?
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Post by Suits101 on Jun 27, 2012 19:30:59 GMT -5
Before this wagon gains any more momentum, let's hit the brakes: annetastic is town.Unfortunately, my saying that means she should probably start writing her will, but better she's nightkilled than mislynched. If Hal is confirming she's town, then: unvote annetasticGonna catch up on the remaining posts...
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Post by Suits101 on Jun 27, 2012 19:34:33 GMT -5
Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way? No, it is not saying that. A person who was Scum cannot come back into the game. He or she clearly cannot come back as Town because they already know who all the Scum players are. They cannot come back as Scum because Town would understand that they must be Scum and would immediately lynch them. Following this logic though, wouldn't that mean that all subs are town? Wouldn't that make it easier for scum to immediately lynch townies 1 by 1?
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Post by Suits101 on Jun 27, 2012 19:36:44 GMT -5
Is this saying that there were no scum to replace? anyone else feel that way? No I think she was saying that since she was scum it would be obvious if she came back as a scum player that she was scum again. She can't be town because she knows who the scum team is. So anyone who is dead that is scum cannot come back regardless of who needs to be replaced. I also don't understand Jan's thought that because Crys came back as Inner that Inner couldn't have been scum. For the same reason, a Town player can replace another Town player, or they could play as scum, or a power role, because they are going from knowing nothing in their previous role to knowing something in their new role. KWIM? In other words: Scum can't return. Period. Townies can return as Town OR Scum. That makes sense too.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 27, 2012 20:11:24 GMT -5
Regarding Gnarlycharlie:
The case against him consists of (1) his sudden and suspiciously timed de-lurking and (2) players who have played with him before sensing a change in his playing style. I cannot speak to (2), and i am reconsidering (1).
If there was a scum leadership change when Pleo died and gnarly was taking over as the new leader, surely it would not have been handled so obviously. Gnarly could have waited a bit then eased back into the game and not make the transition so obvious.
I think I'll be giving Gnarlycharlie a pass Today unless some new evidence comes to light.
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 27, 2012 22:18:07 GMT -5
Crys took over for Inner, while Wombat took over for aleetha. I made a note in my second list I should have pen and paper next to me all the time, thanks though Colby, I will send you bunnies LOL, no I won't, I respect you too much! The only way I remembered was because Crys/Inner was "investigated" by Pleonast before he flipped scum. Speaking of paper, I should go make some notes. Then again, I haven't been exactly trying to be scum hunter, with my distractions... But I feel like I need to put down some thoughts at least. I have to give credit, the new players are playing great, in my personal opinion
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Post by crys on Jun 27, 2012 22:28:12 GMT -5
No it doesn't mean that all subs are town and since all the scum knows who else is scum they can already do that. I think it is time to be more analytical on how people are voting so we can find the scum and eliminate them.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 27, 2012 22:53:07 GMT -5
So the only reason you think I'm scum is because I've been quiet the last few days. Actually if you've noticed, I've been fairly quiet the last two weeks or so. My son finished up with school and I've been at the beach/pool/out 8+ hours a day. I've been coming home, catching up, doing the housework I've missed and going to bed. Sorry! I actually disagree with a LOT of the feelings you have. dizzymrslizzy, I meant to ask you this earlier but what with getting NK'd and all it slipped my mind What else from what I posted on Day 8 do you disagree with? And you didn't answer my question here. Whatever. But I disagreed with most of your leanings. I don't have time right now to go back and comment on every one. But I kind of feel like almost everything you feel I feel the opposite. I'm not concerned about it, but maybe 3rd times a charm on you. Vote: Wombat_99_V3
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 27, 2012 22:55:56 GMT -5
Looking at guiri's case against richbeckman - that he and cathi swayed the Day4 vote to Ladyrogue over texcat, in addition to the other evidence assembled by guiri: My first thought was, "Aha! I thought richbeckman was scum, this is the evidence I need to vote for him." It is a well-constructed argument and a well-documented case, and guiri has proven to be an excellent scum-hunter already in this game. However - I reread Day4 and richbeckman's posts, and this post makes me hesitate: And then I replied here linking you to TexCat. I suspect you and cathi voted LadyRogue D4 in an attempt to save TexCat. And how in any way did my vote on Day Four help save TexCat?!!? And guiri responds with the step-by-step vote analysis. richbeckman seems genuinely puzzled as to how his vote could have swayed the votes against texcat. If he had intentionally swayed the texcat vote, I don't think he would have responded indignantly like that because he basically issued a "prove it" challenge to guiri. (And unfortunately for richbeckman, yes, the vote record can be interpreted against him).
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 27, 2012 22:59:00 GMT -5
And you didn't answer my question here. Whatever. What question?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 27, 2012 23:07:46 GMT -5
Wombat Regarding why you think I'm Anti-town aside from my being busy a few days IRL.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 27, 2012 23:24:46 GMT -5
Wombat Regarding why you think I'm Anti-town aside from my being busy a few days IRL. I raised the point that you seemed subdued when Pleo was lynched. You responded to that and said you'd been busy. Fair enough. You also said that you disagreed with my other points. I was just wondering what you disagreed with, since hearing different sides of an argument is sorta what the game is all about. That's all I was asking.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 27, 2012 23:45:15 GMT -5
<snip> richbeckman seems genuinely puzzled as to how his vote could have swayed the votes against texcat. If he had intentionally swayed the texcat vote, I don't think he would have responded indignantly like that because he basically issued a "prove it" challenge to guiri. (And unfortunately for richbeckman, yes, the vote record can be interpreted against him). Really!?!?!? Before I voted, the votes were LadyRogue 7, Meeko 6, and Texcat 5. Texcat was already saved. After I voted: LadyRogue 8, Meeko 6 and Texcat 5. The only possible way my vote saves Texcat is if it is a given that crys (the only person to vote after me and she voted for LadyRogue) was going to vote for whoever I voted for. So by not voting Texcat I prevented Texcat from getting 7 votes. [sarcasm]Yeah, crys is voting for whoever I vote for [/sarcasm] I voted late because I was at a loss as to who to vote for. I was waiting, hoping that some conviction would arise. It never did (I sure would like to find some today).
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 27, 2012 23:58:32 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie - 4 votes (CatInASuit, JustBeingGinger, Archangel, supermel) Patricia - 2 votes (PhoenixPhyre, Silver Jan) Suburban Plankton - 1 vote (Meeko) Richardbeckman - 1 vote (guiri) Meeko - 1 vote (Suburban Plankton) JustBeingGiner - 1 vote (gnarlycharlie) wombat99 - 1 vote (dizzymrslizzy)
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 27, 2012 23:59:35 GMT -5
dizzymrslizzy, I meant to ask you this earlier but what with getting NK'd and all it slipped my mind What else from what I posted on Day 8 do you disagree with? And you didn't answer my question here. Whatever. But I disagreed with most of your leanings. I don't have time right now to go back and comment on every one. But I kind of feel like almost everything you feel I feel the opposite. I'm not concerned about it, but maybe 3rd times a charm on you. Vote: Wombat_99_V3 bleached. are you voting for Wombat3 based on the fact that Wombat2 questioned your "step back" from the game or because you disagree with Wombat2's leanings? either way, I don't know that it's fair to vote for Wombat3 because of what was said by a different character - Wombat2 was killed last night. are you really desiring to lynch #36, formerly Aleetha and freshly Wombat3, for something that #25, formerly Sharon and then Wombat2, said?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 28, 2012 8:01:00 GMT -5
Wombat Regarding why you think I'm Anti-town aside from my being busy a few days IRL. I raised the point that you seemed subdued when Pleo was lynched. You responded to that and said you'd been busy. Fair enough. You also said that you disagreed with my other points. I was just wondering what you disagreed with, since hearing different sides of an argument is sorta what the game is all about. That's all I was asking. Unvote: Wombat_99_V3I'm sorry Wombat. I don't specifically think you are scum this time. I was in a bad mood last night and annoyed that you are continuing this random campaign against me for what you continue to give no reason for. I assure you again that I'm plain old VT. More specifically the one that stands out in my mind is Archangel. You had a strong town lean on her, and I keep WANTING Archangel to be town, but my gut leads me elsewhere on her.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 28, 2012 8:09:01 GMT -5
bleached. are you voting for Wombat3 based on the fact that Wombat2 questioned your "step back" from the game or because you disagree with Wombat2's leanings? either way, I don't know that it's fair to vote for Wombat3 because of what was said by a different character - Wombat2 was killed last night. are you really desiring to lynch #36, formerly Aleetha and freshly Wombat3, for something that #25, formerly Sharon and then Wombat2, said? I agree with you and took back my vote, but this is one of the problems with people coming back to life. It's not really fair on both sides. It's not fair that Wombat_V3 is using his prejudices that original Wombat had against me, just like I shouldn't use his past words against him. It's like if Pleo came back to life at this point (I know he can't), we'd most likely see the Meeko/Pleo disagreement break out again. I feel like Wombat and I haven't really meshed this game, and I've been trying to avoid it, but it's not easy.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 28, 2012 9:44:28 GMT -5
Quiet today isn't it..... It's also strange that two people I would expect to have pressure on them, Patricia and Inner Stickler have not had that much against them. Aside from that, I was looking at the vote analysis (post #20) guiri did on the Ladyrogue lynch and its riddled with confirmation bias. The important votes started when when Texcat was on 5 votes, a possible scum lynch, with a small amount of pressure on Meeko and LadyRogue. Pleonast was the first to move, and the important thing to note was that, the vote on Ladyrogue was a one off and by the end of the post, the vote was on Meeko. The next move, which really looks like a saver is the vote from amykb, which tied the vote between Meeko and Texcat. Why this isn't given more prominence, I don't know. I would guess that the next couple of votes on Ladyrogue by kagemoto and supermel were actually town based causing the three way split. With hindsight, annem taking Texcat out of trouble is obvious. I would also point out that aleetha's vote to push LadyRogue two vote ahead and effectively seal the lynch should also come under a lot of scrutiny. But none of that is mentioned here, but comments against richbeckman are. Reading between the lines, I am really suspicious now. It's an excellent piece of analysis pointing out exactly what guiri wants us to read, which is that richbeckman is scum, while glossing over the more interesting points. Big, big, FOS on guiri. And following on from that, I would seriously consider voting amykb for tying up the vote for texcat especially as the vote reason was an agreement with Pleonast and for voting aleethawombat_v3 for that consolidating vote. I would also consider richbeckman town like crys, precisely because if they were scum, they had no need to be on a town lynch at that point, when there was a safe scum lynch available.
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