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Post by Hal Briston on Jul 6, 2012 9:07:36 GMT -5
Don't I remember reading somewhere that skimming is a scum tell???...I think I did. It most certainly is. Scum know who is scum and who is town, and have a much stronger handle on who is what than town do. It's a good idea for them to pay close attention, but it's not as big a deal if they don't. Town, on the other hand, practically have to pay close attention. A significant percentage of times scum are lynched stems off of a scum slip of some sort. If town aren't reading carefully, those slips can go right by. Skimming doesn't mean you're definitely scum -- there are plenty of reasons town might do it (tired, busy, trying to catch up...hell, I've done it myself plenty of times) -- but it's still never a good idea.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jul 6, 2012 10:46:06 GMT -5
I have been really frustrated as both Town and Scum, I was frustrated early on in this game when I signed in under silverjan. Thank goodness I was rescued I actually find being scum easier because you can often make a solid case based on nothing, I usually last longer as scum, except in this game where I am confirmed Town. I must say that I am no longer sure that my vote is correct, Suits does seem to have a few RL issues but I am still confounded by voting for EOD unless, and this is just me going on my merry way, she thinks that if EOD ends early, then there are a couple of Night days, she will be back and able to play again? Does that sound too far out there? Meeko's last post pinged me, Ed and him going head to head and they were both on the same team? What's up with that? Does it remind you of something? ? Deja vu all over again? I am so ready to change my vote but.... I am a bit worried about it, would he be so bold as to mention it if he was scum? Aaaaargh!
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Post by annetastic on Jul 6, 2012 11:06:49 GMT -5
I am wondering if suits101wants to be lynched if she has so many real life issues at the moment so has no time to play and that's why she made the post she did .......... seems reasonable
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Post by Silver Jan on Jul 6, 2012 13:07:53 GMT -5
With Day ending on Sunday, I might not be able to put in another vote so
Unvote Suits101
Vote Meeko
Meeks looks far to smug and hasn't been scum hunting, he has just been gloating about Pleo
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Post by guiri on Jul 6, 2012 16:51:25 GMT -5
She did use the same reasoning as Suburban Plankton (she didn't think Gnarly was all that scummy but preferred the case against him over Patricia). So, yes, that's something to consider. She didn't see any case, she stated that she did not get a scum vibe from his posts and voted him based on his 5/5 vote record, 3 of which were detective results, but left herself an out in case anyone said he was a good player. Basically she suspects that gnarly is too good and therefore must be scum but will reconsider if any experienced player agrees that he's good? if I were Gnarly and that close to being lynched, I'd move my vote to Patricia, the only serious competitor this late in the Day. Instead, we haven't heard a peep from him in two days, and going back through some of his recent posts doesn't unearth much. Patricia, on the other hand, has defended herself, though she's not convincing everyone. She does have a mix of "someone explain x" while playing with understanding, but she's not the only first-time player who gets some things but not others. So, turning to their voting records, Patricia voted Meeko, Meeko, Wombat1, Meeko, Meeko, Annem, no vote, and jlrinmke. We are already aware of her take on Meeko. We were delivered Scum to vote for on Days 3, 6, and 7. The only day she voted for one of those was Day 6 with Annem. On the other hand, Gnarly gave a no vote, lianne, endhoot, no vote, texcat, annem, Pleo, JBG. so... all Scum, except maybe JBG, where his vote currently is again today. Could a Scum tactic be to only vote fellow Scum, which would make us think you're Town? or is Gnarly THAT GOOD? [serious question to the veterans] Because it's kinda hard to be right on flips 5/5, IMO, even if 3 of those were follow-the-detective votes. Of course, if JBG is Town, this doesn't hold... BUT, her record shows she's only voted 3 times - on endhoot, annem, and Pleo, also all Scum (and her endhoot and annem votes were before their investigations). Today's vote from her is on Gnarly - so maybe they're ScumBuddies with a plan? All that said, I'm still not getting Scum from Gnarly's posts, but I'm willing to vote GnarlyCharlie based on his voting record. again, if someone experienced comes back to say that Gnarly rocks at this game, I'd be willing to re-think this vote strategy, but time is short and I'm going him over Patricia. She could have voted for Myself and I wouldn't be as concerned as what she did. Do you think she is town, Guiri? Honestly I don't see her being helpful to town, if she isn't scum. I'm just not seeing how her single vote for Day end makes her the likeliest scum candidate. It's a single vote, we need 12 of them for Day to actually end early. Unless you think it's a deliberate ploy to make us deduce "scum wouldn't do that", I don't see how it's worth a vote. Unvote Suits101 Vote Meeko (I think) Suits and Suburban are currently tied on 5 votes, Cathi has 2 and then Amy, wombat, richbeckman have 1 vote each. If you had a second vote, would you vote for any of the people who have a chance of being lynched toDay?
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Post by Archangel on Jul 6, 2012 17:54:31 GMT -5
I'm just not seeing how her single vote for Day end makes her the likeliest scum candidate. It's a single vote, we need 12 of them for Day to actually end early. Unless you think it's a deliberate ploy to make us deduce "scum wouldn't do that", I don't see how it's worth a vote. I agree with this completely. (Especially now that we have a town investigation on you, guiri.
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Post by starrirain on Jul 6, 2012 18:30:12 GMT -5
@ guiri, yes way past that time. I've been busy with holiday, and my mom's birthday right after that, so I became rushed the other day when I was posting Unvote amykb [/color] Vote cathi [/b] I really shoulda done this the other Day, but when I came in amykb was pinging the hell outta me, and I wanted her to back off Hal. I see she claims she was throwing suspicion at Suburban, but I still can't help but feel she was smudging our claimed/confirmed Cop too. Not cool. Not to mention I asked as a suggestion to the group if we could halt another low info bandwagon for the time being, and she was very quick to back off ALL of her suspects...wth? I definitely don't consider cathi low info, scummy scum scum, and Suburban, well, he's around again these days so I hope he'll become a more info player. I was leaning more towards the case on Suits. Here is my take on Suits: I think Suits aka francescaj came back to try and help out. Knowing there were many inactives from the start, it's natural that a few gentle souls want to help pick up the slack. However, I don't expect everyone to learn the game at the same pace! I was as puzzled as the rest of you on the end day vote placed, but I think guiri summed that up nicely. Suits thought that, in the least, they would have down one vote for the Day. Not realizing this actually looks bad instead of good for you Suits(placing end day vote without voting for a player you suspect)...I understand you think you're being helpful to Town, but if you are Town, and get mislynched, well, that's not helpful to Town. Then we're not even going to have any actual input from you on who you suspect! BLARG! I feel like everyone is basing their vote for Suits simply on her vote to end Day. This doesn't mean much to me, it reads to me as newbie confusion on general gameplay. I also would like everyone to keep gnarlycharlie in mind here. He was lying low because he didn't want suspicion from scum so he could investigate more and have a longer lifespan, which in turn made him an easy target for them to cast suspicion on, being that he's a well seasoned player and was relatively quiet until shortly before his Cop claim. I ask you think of this, mainly because there is still(hopefully) a Doc in play, and boy wouldn't we feel stupid mislynching them? Suits isn't going to be back til Night or so. That being the case, she would have no time to claim under pressure if she were the last living doc. Mind you, I have no clue who the Doc may be, but I think it best if we approach any further lynchings with the utmost of care and thoughtful input, not simply piling on a wagon over one post from toDay. Any of you Suits voters have anything from past Days that ping? I would like to take this time to encourage anyone who won't have 10 to 15 minutes to read through every few RL days to NOT come back, this Game, not ever of course. My reasoning being that it will be more helpful to have high info players return. I think there are still inactive players left, but fewer and fewer, and if they all get taken up by low info players, sucks for Town! You guys gonna sit there and stare at blank screens at lylo? I may not have bunches and bunches of posts in this Game, but I consider there to be plently of content that I have shared in them. I for one would like a place to return to if I die so I can continue to hunt scum. AmyKay, I'm not experienced, but I would guess RL happened with CIAS. I should have been more specific in directing my 'low info bandwagons' comment toward the group as a whole. I was in a super fast hurry the other day prepping for the 4th and my mom's bday. I thought it was clear I started referring to you as her instead of speaking directly to you, but my posts did get a lil rushed in my hurry. Apologies for any confusion I caused. So basically, you are trying(sucessfully might I add) to start a wagon on Suburban then? You knew Meeko was already on the defense with Suburban, and asked him to come and join. This is just so strange to me. So, your case on him is, he defended texcat before voting for her lynch, and that he thought Pleo was Town, even stating you thought yourself Pleo was Town(since your point about our confimed Cop won't fit into this 'case')? You placed a vote for colby in D5 without seeing he was confirmed by Hal, yet made the same mistake smudging Hal, who gnarly confirmed before death, to get your case on Suburban started. I just find it odd that you keep 'overlooking' the people who have been confimed Town by Detectives. You did say in D5 'I'll be certain to check the list of "confirmed" players before posting suspicions from now on.' Jan had even posted this list before my reminder earlier toDay. @cias I hope all is well, it was nice playing with you! @jlrmnke, you're confirmed Town, your input is important! I thank you for coming back in D8 to reply to my inquiry towards you. It's becoming more and more critical to Town to have players who can share at least a few thoughts for the Day. Please continue the trend, participation is key to this learning process imho cathi, tsk tsk tsk...skimming toDay eh? Not even all that much to read since we saw you last...did you miss my question to you back in D8 through your skim? idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1964&page=3#95583People have been throwing suspicion at you left and right and you've nothing to say except that you've skimmed?! And of course smudging rich again. We'd all love to know what you dug up in your skim through his posts that made you vote him toDay. What do you think about the current lynch leaders? @rich, welcome back and glad you are with power and getting well. Any time to catch up and develop any insight on the Day's current events, or YesterDay's past events? @colby, anti Town and scum, two different things, your question to guiri pings. This new version of yourself... doesn't seem like the colby we've had around as Town...I mean, I recall you even saying you think Meeko is Town...does this point make since? Just because Meeko's play is anti Town, doesn't mean he is scum. Same goes for all players. Including Suits, or one would think? At this point, with all the Town loss we've had, why would you want to risk another mislynch? In my mind, it would make more sense for the experienced players to try help the ones not cathing on so well, instead of killing off Townies putting my team in a worse position each Day and Night. We haven't lynched scum since Pleo in D7, yet have lost 8(if my count is correct) Townies. Uhhhm what's going on here? She may not be the most helpful Town, but if she is Town regardless, why would you want to get rid of her? Unless your new alighnment is scum. This is the only way I can see this making sense. I see you say you've had issues your first time you played a scum role, but what about your first game period. This is still Suits first game, maybe her second life, but first game none the less. Even so, you said her having problems with a scum role would have been apparent when she subbed in, not in Day 10. So, now in Day 10, based off of her end day vote, she is scum? Color me confused. So do you think she is scum, or just not helpful to Town? Knowing your motives would help clarify a lot for me. @suburban & Meeko, please no more tiny text!(or scrolling) I missed the first one Suburban posted til Meeko picked up on it...and had to zoom in a lot to see it, and omg what an eye sore the scrolling one was. Thanks guys, my eyes want to die now. That being said, Meeko, why doesn't Suburban deserve an explanation from you? It seems you were ready to answer his question til you realized who was asking it. Frankly, I don't consider you 'high value' anything. You act as if it were you alone who brought Pleo down, but several others, including myself, thought he was scum and are also still around. But your anti town behavior is what doesn't make you a valuable target for scum. I could be wrong, but it seems like you only really suspect people who also suspect you? Would you consider a different approach after being so sure, yet so wrong about patricia? I agree with Silver Jan that you're not actually trying to hunt scum,(aside from attacking Pleo, bravo) but would also like to ask everyone if this is typical Meeko play(counterattacking anyone who suspects him)? Either way, it does little good to find just one scum, we must get them all to win! Your play continues to confound many noob's(as well as seasoned players), which is good enough reason for scum to leave you in play. If people suspect you, they're not suspecting scum. I say this because I do think you're Town of course, but I do feel like anyone who asks a question should be equally deserving of an answer. How will this reflect on you if Suburban flips Town? Suburban, that was so not nice to say gnarly possibly lied about Hal(and in such tiny text), poor guy is dead and can't come back to defend himself because he was our Cop. Let's have a little faith that a confirmed Cop wouldn't lead us down a path of self destruction. Let me go further to say that I think you are Town. I've gone back on your posts since you've returned, and I can't see the reason for you having so many votes. patricia, welcome back. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on why you suspect Meeko, Suburban, and Suits? Without anything else, you're simply throwing names at us without reason. I personally have a Town lean on all 3 of the people you've mentioned, so I am interested to hear why you think they may be scum. dizzymrslizzy, any thoughts on any other players? Suits may not come back to explain further to you toDay(since she said she won't have computer access til hopefully monday), so it's seems like a waste for you to just sit and wait for an explanation. Your vote yesterDay was based off your gut feeling and was wrong. Did you have anyone else you suspected before Suits posts toDay? @wombat, by putting lynch pressure on Suburban, are you digging for Hal to reveal his Town result? That's what I read in your vote/comment...but WHY risk it? What if people don't check in (we did just have a holiday here) in time to change their votes even after a reveal? YesterDay, I voted for someone I thought was Town to try and save gnarly. Notice that not enough people came back in time for me to unvote him and to switch my vote to someone I actually believe to be scum. This makes me so sad. Let's try and find some substance when we place our votes. I did note Hal slipped in to say it was not Suburban he investigated, but why I don't know since it seems counterproductive towards him not revealing last Night's result, seeing as how he wasn't ready to unvote Suits and vote Suburban at that point, nor yet. So, why is that Hal? I shoulda put this in your part, but I don't wanna be a repeater and it fits here in making my point. So, now that we all know he is not the confirmed Townie from last night, what are your thoughts on where your vote stands now after your pressure vote? Note that amykb didn't come back to change her vote until it was too late, yet claims she was willing to if someone told her gnarly was a good player, which happened shortly thereafter. @hal, you agreed a couple of Days ago that cathi warrants another look, but have her replies since been sufficient for you to change your mind about that? People put a lot of stock into where your vote is placed I believe, especially the newbies. I understand Suits post was definitely strange, but do you stand by your vote thinking this is the best direction to go toDay still? I see you've already stated you wouldn't mind Suburban either, which leads me to refer you to the question i asked in my post to wombat. supermel, care to add to that 'me too'? I see you hoped to get more time to read and catch up and post more thoughts, so hopefully that will happen. annetastic, you too! Suits may not be back to further explain before End of Day, so why the placeholder til you get an explanation(which may never come)? Any thoughts on any other players? If anyone feels left out here, lemme know and I'll be sure to post thoughts for you on anything you like, but my post grows tiresome and lengthy as is. Please excuse any blunders or typos, I didn't have time to check over before posting on account of incoming company.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 6, 2012 18:34:20 GMT -5
I'm just not seeing how her single vote for Day end makes her the likeliest scum candidate. It's a single vote, we need 12 of them for Day to actually end early. Unless you think it's a deliberate ploy to make us deduce "scum wouldn't do that", I don't see how it's worth a vote. I placed my original vote to put some pressure on her to answer for her blatant lack of common sense. I think it was probably more of a null tell than anything else because she just has no interest in playing. She's been lurking at best, and avoiding the game all together since subbing back in. I can't imagine anyone being that obviously dense as to why voting end of day with no vote on a player would be a good idea? I'm in a weird place with this game right now. I didn't think it would last as long as it did (Idle said a month or two and we're now much past that). I've been AFK quite a lot the last 2 weeks, and it's made it hard to keep up. Also, as the players get widdled down, I'm not really sure what I feel. Most of the players I got scum leans on are really Gnarly Confirmed Town. I'm not really pinged by Suburban right now, and I'm not quite understanding the case on him. I need to go back and reread the last day to find out.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 6, 2012 18:43:32 GMT -5
LOL I edited the second paragraph and really didn't read it before I hit post.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 6, 2012 18:48:00 GMT -5
Okay so let's think clearly here. We know we have one more cleared Town that is still alive. Hal said he was going to investigate someone from 3-33 when he was calling out Gnarly. So here's his list. Stop asking who exactly he investigated. I could guess 90% it's someone on this list.
5. Suburban Plankton 11. Cathi 14. phoenixphyre 19. supermel 21. dizzymrslizzy 28. Meeko 29. AmyKB 32. JustBeingGinger 33. Total Ulla
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 6, 2012 19:34:19 GMT -5
Suits101 - 5 votes (dizzymrslizzy, Hal Briston, supermel, Colby11, annetastic) Suburban Plankton - 5 votes (Meeko, Archangel, wombat99, patricia, michelehunter) Cathi - 3 votes (crys, guiri, starrirain) wombat99 - 1 vote (Suburban Plankton) richardbeckman - 1 vote (cathi) Meeko - 1 vote (Silver Jan)
1 of 12 votes to end day early.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 6, 2012 19:45:23 GMT -5
Vote Cathi
Based on the past voting record and her comments about skimming.
I am going to go back and have a read on Suburban
OOG/ I will be out of town from July 17th through the 25th. I will have very little internet access.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 6, 2012 23:58:03 GMT -5
With Day ending on Sunday, I might not be able to put in another vote so Unvote Suits101
Vote Meeko
Meeks looks far to smug and hasn't been scum hunting, he has just been gloating about PleoBecause I answered a question that a newer player asked? Why the vote?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 7, 2012 7:01:44 GMT -5
starrirain, it's just your first game and you already have a WOW (wall of words). i don't remember the last time i've posted something so long.
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Post by Archangel on Jul 7, 2012 8:47:32 GMT -5
Gnarly, are you back as a sub or was that just commentary?
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Post by wombat99 on Jul 7, 2012 10:01:21 GMT -5
Starrirain, love your WOW! I'm snipping out some bits to discuss them: Suits isn't going to be back til Night or so. That being the case, she would have no time to claim under pressure if she were the last living doc. Mind you, I have no clue who the Doc may be, but I think it best if we approach any further lynchings with the utmost of care and thoughtful input, not simply piling on a wagon over one post from toDay. You're thinking it's possible that Suits is the doc (I don't think so), but you are correct, we need to make preserving the Doc a very high priority and it is dangerous to lynch without giving the player a chance to claim. Actually I'm worried now about my Suburban vote. He's acting like Gnarly did - disappearing and not making a self-preserving vote... Could he be the doc? Archangel's comment about people acting strangely being power town, not scum, is nagging at me. Only in the sense that the investigation result can be used like a safety net. I followed Gnarly's suggestion and looked closely at his unconfirmed voters. I made a guess that Hal would investigate one of the unconfirmed Gnarly voters, and (if that's what he did) then having that Town result could avoid a mislynch. It is frustrating. I voted patricia for the same reason. Are players legitimately unavailable at EOD to change their vote, or are they scum with a good excuse to not change their vote? (Oh, Gnarly claimed detective? I had no idea, didn't see it in time! Sorry about that vote!) We don't know. That's another reason I thought looking at the gnarly voters is a legitimate strategy. I don't know about you but if I'm near a screen at beginning/ending of Day, I'm checking to see what went down See above.... Suburban's disappearance has me second-guessing. I would like others to weigh in here. I'm willing to set Suburban aside for Today if need be.
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Post by wombat99 on Jul 7, 2012 10:02:23 GMT -5
Gnarly, are you back as a sub or was that just commentary? Yeah, Gnarly, sub back in!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 7, 2012 10:20:40 GMT -5
I wonder if Gnarly isn't allowed to sub in, because he has last Nights investigation results. So he has knowledge that would have died with him Wombat I feel similarly about Suburban possibly being a Power role. I also feel the same about the Gnarly voters, but I just don't have a solid enough of a lean on them to vote one in particular. I'm not happy with my vote right now, and am searching for a better candidate. I
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Post by Archangel on Jul 7, 2012 10:47:57 GMT -5
I'd like to argue in favor of a Suburban lynch. (Remember, y'all can trust me based on Gnarly's investigation.) The way he's playing does not sit well with me at all, and I don't believe he's the remaining doctor. In addition, when there's a close race like this and the second runner DOESN'T get a pileup, s/he is almost always scum IMO.
If Guiri disagrees, though, given I can trust him too based on Gnarly's investigation, I will rethink this. He's far better at playing town than I am. The only thing I'm got at when town is sensing town frustration and that's all I get from Suits.
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Post by Archangel on Jul 7, 2012 10:48:41 GMT -5
And those of us that are confirmed town need to start playing as a team.
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Post by Colby11 on Jul 7, 2012 11:59:37 GMT -5
@colby, anti Town and scum, two different things, your question to guiri pings. This new version of yourself... doesn't seem like the colby we've had around as Town...I mean, I recall you even saying you think Meeko is Town...does this point make since? Just because Meeko's play is anti Town, doesn't mean he is scum. Same goes for all players. Including Suits, or one would think? At this point, with all the Town loss we've had, why would you want to risk another mislynch? In my mind, it would make more sense for the experienced players to try help the ones not cathing on so well, instead of killing off Townies putting my team in a worse position each Day and Night. We haven't lynched scum since Pleo in D7, yet have lost 8(if my count is correct) Townies. Uhhhm what's going on here? She may not be the most helpful Town, but if she is Town regardless, why would you want to get rid of her? Unless your new alighnment is scum. This is the only way I can see this making sense. I see you say you've had issues your first time you played a scum role, but what about your first game period. This is still Suits first game, maybe her second life, but first game none the less. Even so, you said her having problems with a scum role would have been apparent when she subbed in, not in Day 10. So, now in Day 10, based off of her end day vote, she is scum? Color me confused. So do you think she is scum, or just not helpful to Town? Knowing your motives would help clarify a lot for me. . Snipped I personally think that Meeko is town, simply because of how hard he went at Pleonast. True, he gave us an example of scum bussing scum, but I don't think that it happened here. I feel like Meeko has been confirmed I can't say that my first game ever was very long, I was night killed on Night 1. I don't think town as a whole lynched a single scum, but I can't go back and check it. The game cannot be accessed because the board that it was on is now gone. As to Today, I would rather have an active Suburban Plankton than an inactive Suits. An inactive player is just one more player that scum can just leave alive so that they can focus more on killing active players. I think I am going to go over the cases on Suburban Plankton and Cathi, and figure out my vote.
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Post by Colby11 on Jul 7, 2012 12:34:54 GMT -5
To me, it boils down to either Suits or Cathi. Inactivity and a confusing post vs skimming....
I don't buy that Suburban plankton case, so that is why I am not voting for him...
Unvote Suits Vote Cathi
Mod- what happens in case of a tie?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 7, 2012 12:49:35 GMT -5
Gnarly, are you back as a sub or was that just commentary? just commenting.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jul 7, 2012 13:06:18 GMT -5
Unvote Meeko
I am so lost in this game, I haven't a clue who to vote for,
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Post by cathi on Jul 7, 2012 13:55:04 GMT -5
First off, my apologies, I thought I would be back yesterday but that didn't work out. Secondly, re: the responses to my "admission" of skimming. My method, if you will, has been evolving from the beginning. Was no one else dismayed by the number of pages to read at the start? I felt such dread at carefully reading each-and-every-word, analyzing what people said vs. what they meant, looking for hidden meaning, etc. I'm finding that I'm much more relaxed about the game if I do a quick read for highlights, read posts with votes, and try to keep up that way. I am reading Yesterday's thread; I find that I'm less distracted by "otherness" and can focus much better. And to answer the next question coming at me, I'm focusing particularly on what was said by whomever was lynched & night-killed and those that voted for the recently departed. At the very least, I know the motivations of those folks. As for the dead horse I'm beating re: richbeckman, the post that's really niggling at me (still & again) is here: , kagemoto wrote:<snip> The 2 unknown secret Power Roles are now almost confirmed - we have a Crazy Town confirmed, and we probably have at least 1 Town Vig since 2 Scums were Nightkilled respectively in Night 1 and Night 2. According to the Roles post, it is either 2 Vigs+1 Crazy, or 1 Vig + 2 Crazys. <snip> It seems logical to me that there is only one Vig, since only one Scum is being killed each night. Does that not make sense?[/quote] At the time of this post, we DID NOT know that there wasn't a Vigilante; we DID NOT know how many Crazy Townies there were; we DID NOT (and still don't for certain) know how many kills the scums were getting each night. What I found strange/suspicious/whatever was that richbeckman *knew* there was only ONE Vigilante (or, in this case, Serial Killer). His equation was #scum dead=#vigilante, but if I had been a Vigilante in this game there is no way I would have hit a scum every night. He didn't consider the possibility of two Vigilantes. He didn't consider how many protectees there may have been. It seemed, to me, that he had information about the game I didn't. So -- am I seeing things? Unless someone says, "Yes, Cathi, you're mental, and here's why," my vote stands. starrirain, I'm not sure what you're asking on Day8? Was it whether I thought richbeckman was the Vigilante? If so, no, I didn't. As for today's lynch leader, I have no idea why Suits101 would vote to end the day, that seems weird to me. I thought (way back when) that ending the day early didn't make sense. Why not use the time to dig for scum? But it seemed to backfire the first day that Hal gave us a sure-thing lynch, and then I understood when it could be a good thing. However, in this case, the fact that Suits101 voted to end the day without voting for someone makes me wonder if s/he is a scum and is hoping to get through the day without lynching anyone. On to Suburban, I kind of feel like s/he's only playing when s/he has time (hey, like me!), and I feel a lot of sympathy for the volume of players & information to keep track of. So while I recognize that's an emotionally driven response, rather than fact/post driven, I'm not voting Suburban today. I think I'm next in line, and all I can say is that I'm vanilla. While I still think that confirmed Town voting together would be powerful, I'm going to vote my conscience, as it were, even though I'm all by my lonesome. FYI, I don't think I'll make it back before the end of the day, so I hope I hit everything, or enough anyway. I realize you all probably think I'm flaky, but the fact of the matter is that it's SUMMER and I keep very busy with 3 boys home. Not an excuse, but maybe you can understand that I'm not being intentionally difficult. Also, just for the record, I'm not complaining, I L-O-V-E being home with them! Really!
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Post by guiri on Jul 7, 2012 16:18:33 GMT -5
@ starrirain, I hope you stay around to play in future games. I would like to take this time to encourage anyone who won't have 10 to 15 minutes to read through every few RL days to NOT come back, this Game, not ever of course. My reasoning being that it will be more helpful to have high info players return. Sure but we need numbers too. I'd suggest the following: 1. If you don't have a few minutes per day to read and keep up, please request to be replaced. 2. If you hope to keep up but real life happens and you can't catch up, don't automatically and blindly vote the lynch leader, please take a moment to review the other cases 3. Don't just blindly follow the confirmed players or the cop. Players who are confirmed do not have any more information that players who are unconfirmed, we are not more likely to be correct or have special insight into who's scum, the only thing you can be sure of is that our motives are pure. I'd like to argue in favor of a Suburban lynch. (Remember, y'all can trust me based on Gnarly's investigation.) The way he's playing does not sit well with me at all, and I don't believe he's the remaining doctor. In addition, when there's a close race like this and the second runner DOESN'T get a pileup, s/he is almost always scum IMO. What does it say about the lynch leader? Please explain the case against Suburban. Meeko's voting him for omgus, you're voting him for hiding in plain sight, wombat voted him for pressure, patricia just tossed his name around, michelehunter because he forgot Hal was confirmed. I agree that he's very quiet and rather obsessed with Meeko but little things like not noticing Lightfoot was killed or forgetting that gnarly cleared Hal make me think it's just a lazy approach to this game, not an intentional ploy. At the time of this post, we DID NOT know that there wasn't a Vigilante; we DID NOT know how many Crazy Townies there were; we DID NOT (and still don't for certain) know how many kills the scums were getting each night. What I found strange/suspicious/whatever was that richbeckman *knew* there was only ONE Vigilante (or, in this case, Serial Killer). His equation was #scum dead=#vigilante, but if I had been a Vigilante in this game there is no way I would have hit a scum every night. He didn't consider the possibility of two Vigilantes. He didn't consider how many protectees there may have been. It seemed, to me, that he had information about the game I didn't. So -- am I seeing things? Unless someone says, "Yes, Cathi, you're mental, and here's why," my vote stands. Cathi, you're not mental, you are accusing richbeckman of PIS and I can see your point but why did you wait until D10 to make this case when the events took place on D3? What makes rich's comment vote worthy now and not before, did you notice I voted him previously? Or are you just trying to distance yourself from rich?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 7, 2012 18:23:24 GMT -5
I've spent the last two days trying to figure out the case on Cathi (only to see that Cathi has voted me in the meantime). This feels just like Texcat all over again, it seems like there is a case there but I am having trouble grasping it. I was wrong last time, so I have expended considerable effort trying to be correct this time.
Cathi started out with lots of uncertainty over the mechanics of the game and expressed anxiety. And then this (bleached):
[navy]Day ONE! on May 11, 2012, 6:15pm Cathi[/navy] wrote:
To me this conveys a lot of certainty, more certainty than anybody else's vote on Day One. All the newbieness has disappeared and no evidence of anxiety. Suddenly all of this confidence...because she knows that dizzymrslizzy is Town?
Her next vote not aided by a detective is Day Four (bleached):
[navy]DAY FOUR on May 29, 2012, 7:11pm Cathi[/navy] wrote:
Again, an extremely confident vote for a Town.
The next day:
[navy]DAY FIVE on Jun 5, 2012, 7:06pm Cathi[/navy] wrote:
So having managed to assist mislynching two Town, it perhaps occurs to her that she should be more circumspect? In fact, she votes for a Scum (bleached):
[navy]DAY FIVE on Jun 9, 2012, 3:45pm Cathi[/navy] wrote:
To me, her reasoning here was the weakest of the arguments that Texcat was Scum, but she feels a need to cast a vote for Scum that results in a lynch so she looks vindicated, so the strength of the argument is irrelevant, any excuse would do.
On Day Eight:
[navy]DAY EIGHT on Jun 18, 2012, 2:09pm Cathi[/navy] wrote:
This could easily be read as "How do I vote so I do not look like Scum?"
I conclude that if you read her posts with the assumption that she is Scum, it all makes sense.
Vote: Cathi
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 7, 2012 20:38:41 GMT -5
Having spent all that time on Cathi, I suppose I should talk about my one post upon which her case against me rests. <snip> The 2 unknown secret Power Roles are now almost confirmed - we have a Crazy Town confirmed, and we probably have at least 1 Town Vig since 2 Scums were Nightkilled respectively in Night 1 and Night 2. According to the Roles post, it is either 2 Vigs+1 Crazy, or 1 Vig + 2 Crazys. <snip> It seems logical to me that there is only one Vig, since only one Scum is being killed each night. Does that not make sense? I was just asking the question "Does it not make sense that there is only one Vig?" I got to it by assuming the simplest explanation for observed events. Today, I understand that such an assumption in this game is not really valid (though it may take a while before I do not automatically go there first). But that was Day Three and I was (and am!) still trying to figure the game out. I find it amusing that what apparently was a smudge on me by Cathi was completely missed by me (and everyone else) and was interpreted as cuddling by Starrirain!
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Post by AmyKay on Jul 7, 2012 20:40:56 GMT -5
I've snipped the below WOW quote to be relevant to the parts dealing with me. Starrirain, I think we have trouble understanding one another. I've misunderstood you in past posts and vice versa. I really shoulda done this the other Day, but when I came in amykb was pinging the hell outta me, and I wanted her to back off Hal. I see she claims she was throwing suspicion at Suburban, but I still can't help but feel she was smudging our claimed/confirmed Cop too. Not cool. Not to mention I asked as a suggestion to the group if we could halt another low info bandwagon for the time being, and she was very quick to back off ALL of her suspects...wth? AmyKay, I'm not experienced, but I would guess RL happened with CIAS. I should have been more specific in directing my 'low info bandwagons' comment toward the group as a whole. I was in a super fast hurry the other day prepping for the 4th and my mom's bday. I thought it was clear I started referring to you as her instead of speaking directly to you, but my posts did get a lil rushed in my hurry. Apologies for any confusion I caused. So basically, you are trying(sucessfully might I add) to start a wagon on Suburban then? You knew Meeko was already on the defense with Suburban, and asked him to come and join. This is just so strange to me. So, your case on him is, he defended texcat before voting for her lynch, and that he thought Pleo was Town, even stating you thought yourself Pleo was Town(since your point about our confimed Cop won't fit into this 'case')? You placed a vote for colby in D5 without seeing he was confirmed by Hal, yet made the same mistake smudging Hal, who gnarly confirmed before death, to get your case on Suburban started. I just find it odd that you keep 'overlooking' the people who have been confimed Town by Detectives. You did say in D5 'I'll be certain to check the list of "confirmed" players before posting suspicions from now on.' Jan had even posted this list before my reminder earlier toDay. Let's try and find some substance when we place our votes. Note that amykb didn't come back to change her vote until it was too late, yet claims she was willing to if someone told her gnarly was a good player, which happened shortly thereafter. If you think I was "smudging" Hal, I can't help you. I was not. Why would I smudge him for - he's been a detective for months, and confirmed as town now. You ask for people in general to stop with "low-info bandwagons" but you ask some people (like dizzy, for example) what they think about other players... why can dizzy give her thoughts but I can't? Because my thoughts involve showing someone's past posts instead of my "gut feelings" ? At the same time, you ask for players to "show substance" before placing votes - so is giving quotes and possible explanations for them not substance? I'm torn on what you're looking for from active players here. I asked Meeko to weigh in not on the Suburban case but on Hal's allegiance, as he stated previously "Voting Hal on Day 8 is NOT out of my realm of possibility." I see how that could have been unclear, so my bad. My case on Suburban is: both ways on TexCat, both ways on Pleo, and questioning Hal. Yes, I noted that, after making a case on Colby who was then-confirmed Town, I would check the list before doing that again. And, I did. Suburban isn't on that list. Hal is, but I wasn't checking him out, I was just referring to him. Yeah, Meeko's "ignorance isn't an excuse" thing fits here. I'm not claiming I wasn't wrong, I'm just telling you my steps in making that post. Yes, I came back three hours after I voted for Gnarly, with the intention that I'd move my vote if he was defended or had defended himself. I saw JBG’s post that Gnarly is indeed good, but her vote was on him, so I didn’t take it to weigh very heavily. I realize you may not have been looking for a line-by-line explanation, but if how I'm playing isn't making sense to you, I want to make sure I'm clarifying myself for others as well.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 7, 2012 21:17:29 GMT -5
Mod- what happens in case of a tie? Random.org decides who dies. Cathi - 6 votes (crys, guiri, starrirain, JustBeingGinger, Colby11, richardbeckman) Suburban Plankton - 5 votes (Meeko, Archangel, wombat99, patricia, michelehunter) Suits101 - 4 votes (dizzymrslizzy, Hal Briston, supermel, annetastic) wombat99 - 1 vote (Suburban Plankton) richardbeckman - 1 vote (cathi) 1 of 12 votes to end day early.
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