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Post by crys on Sept 17, 2012 23:23:22 GMT -5
Pleo claims, Meeko votes for him... hmmm.... I have heard this tale before Not to be rude, but are you going to contribute or just re-hashing the fact that pleo claimed and meeko voted for him??? Or are you trying to convince me that you are insane? This game is going to make my brain hurt I can tell already lol
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Post by patricia on Sept 17, 2012 23:23:44 GMT -5
pleo was scum.... happy now
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Post by patricia on Sept 17, 2012 23:25:47 GMT -5
Crys - not much else to talk about yet. and insane may to very helpful in this game. Besides I don't want to have brain pain alone.
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Post by crys on Sept 17, 2012 23:25:48 GMT -5
You people voting for Pleo, what are you scared of? To quote his post from N0: Assuming he's telling the truth, if he follows through with his plan he'll be mod confirmed the morning of D4. If not, he can be dealt with then. Used to be, when a person made a testable claim we tested it. Has that changed, on this board? Assuming he is telling the truth can be a very dangerous assumption lol.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 17, 2012 23:25:52 GMT -5
KIDWhat is the test for a scum claiming town detective? Who claimed Town detective? Pleo has claimed 3rd party non-hostile "lurker detective", and has claimed that his investigation results, including alignment and designation, will be announced by the moderator. I can't think of a better way to test a claim than to have the game mod tell you if it's true or false.
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Post by crys on Sept 17, 2012 23:26:41 GMT -5
Crys - not much else to talk about yet. and insane may to very helpful in this game. Besides I don't want to have brain pain alone. there is other stuff to talk about. peeker is ironman or deadwood or w/e....
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 17, 2012 23:27:44 GMT -5
You people voting for Pleo, what are you scared of? To quote his post from N0: Assuming he's telling the truth, if he follows through with his plan he'll be mod confirmed the morning of D4. If not, he can be dealt with then. Used to be, when a person made a testable claim we tested it. Has that changed, on this board? I feel like I am missing something. Is there something in Pleo's role description that says the role and designation of the lurker will be mod confirmed? I read it as meaning that Pleo would just be allowed to share what he has learned. If it is not mod confirmed, how is it testable? We expect the lurker to say "Yes, Pleo is right. I am scum." And we automatically believe the lurker when she says "Yes, I am town. Thank-you for confirming that Pleo!"
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Post by crys on Sept 17, 2012 23:28:40 GMT -5
oh and I should be sleeping....but I'm not, prolly would help if I got up from the pc and actually went to bed though
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Post by patricia on Sept 17, 2012 23:29:10 GMT -5
or both or neither - I have no idea about peeker other than he is a active player/poster
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 17, 2012 23:30:48 GMT -5
Assuming he is telling the truth can be a very dangerous assumption lol. Nonsense. If he's not mod-confirmed as non-hostile at the beginning of Day Four, then we will know he's a)lying, or b)blocked/otherwise neutralized, and we kill him then. It's meta, but Pollux is a veteran mod and I trust him not to have designed a game with a role that can win exclusively on Day Four.
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Post by patricia on Sept 17, 2012 23:32:31 GMT -5
Thank you rich - for saying that so well - he can't confirm himself
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 17, 2012 23:33:23 GMT -5
I feel like I am missing something. Is there something in Pleo's role description that says the role and designation of the lurker will be mod confirmed? I read it as meaning that Pleo would just be allowed to share what he has learned. "...you may paint their role name, alignment, and desgination on their face and all over their room so at Dawn the entire public will know who they are" How else would you read that?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 17, 2012 23:35:23 GMT -5
KIDWhat is the test for a scum claiming town detective? Who claimed Town detective? Pleo has claimed 3rd party non-hostile "lurker detective", and has claimed that his investigation results, including alignment and designation, will be announced by the moderator. I can't think of a better way to test a claim than to have the game mod tell you if it's true or false. Pleonast claimed detective in marathon mafia. I rode his ass, didn't use lube, and didn't offer a reach around. Town the rode him hard and put him up wet, I time to lynch him. --- Is there not precedent for a player having power(s) that emulate a mod's? In a gastard game no less? In a game where players can apparently control other players based on bidding votes? If someone can tell a merc player what to do, can someone not be able to control a mod?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 17, 2012 23:38:45 GMT -5
Assuming he is telling the truth can be a very dangerous assumption lol. Nonsense. If he's not mod-confirmed as non-hostile at the beginning of Day Four, then we will know he's a)lying, or b)blocked/otherwise neutralized, and we kill him then. It's meta, but Pollux is a veteran mod and I trust him not to have designed a game with a role that can win exclusively on Day Four. Didn't we try the "we know you are dangerous, but sure we will let you live" to our detriment in recent memory?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 17, 2012 23:41:41 GMT -5
pleo was scum.... happy now Why do you want to vote me?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 17, 2012 23:49:06 GMT -5
I feel like I am missing something. Is there something in Pleo's role description that says the role and designation of the lurker will be mod confirmed? I read it as meaning that Pleo would just be allowed to share what he has learned. "...you may paint their role name, alignment, and desgination on their face and all over their room so at Dawn the entire public will know who they are" How else would you read that? I already said how I read that. I read it as meaning Pleo would be free (and obligated?) to share what he has learned with all of us. Where in there does it say the mod will confirm?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 17, 2012 23:50:22 GMT -5
Does everyone know how to quickly check for the rank of post volume in each Day or Night thread?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 17, 2012 23:57:08 GMT -5
The bit about his target's name and role being written on their forehead for all to see would indicate the color with which the Mod would, I assume, announce the results of Pleo's power.
"Dawn breaks on Day 5.
Snoopy awakes to the entire room staring at him. 'So, Mr. Johnny Rocket, you are Compulsive Serial Fart Ninja who has been killing people each Night with your Silent-But-Deadlies...or so the scribble on your ample forehead and bulbous nose would have us believe.'"
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Post by Meeko on Sept 18, 2012 0:22:34 GMT -5
Does everyone know how to quickly check for the rank of post volume in each Day or Night thread? I still wonder if the posts have to be 'substantial'. Can Pleonast 'this' a number of times to hit his threshold?
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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 18, 2012 0:46:11 GMT -5
If I read the rules correctly then the Mod said he wouldn't lie to players but if Peeker had a PM as Iron Man then surely he would need a new PM as Deadpool and his first PM would have been a lie. I really am thinking out loud here. Peeks never said he was Iron Man, the Mod said that in the colour so it could be just a straight forward reveal? i think i claimed ironman in N0 Yes you did actually, I must have been distracted by the Toejam and Pearljam stuff afterwards. So now you really do seem to be Sybil We also have some strong personalities (peeker) which I think adds an interesting dynamic and provides a challenge The strong personalities along with the complexity is definitively a new twist! As for Pleo Claiming N0 seemed to have made sense in the last game. It gave you an interesting way to twist all of our heads. What if his win condition is to die D1/N1? Or within the first 3 days or so? I don't know if that's a possibility, but maybe he's trying to play us into lynching him off the bat this time? The last time that Pleo revealed who he was straight away he was Scum but the time before that he was Town. It could be that he wants us to think that Scum would never do that twice in a row. I just wonder why he posted his PM so soon if he is telling the truth and it will take 3 Days to confirm it.
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Post by crys on Sept 18, 2012 4:41:10 GMT -5
Does everyone know how to quickly check for the rank of post volume in each Day or Night thread? I have no idea how that would be done Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by guiri on Sept 18, 2012 5:44:25 GMT -5
Maybe as a side effect of winning the mercenary's services, peeker's name was revealed? So, you didn't win either? With 29 players, a bid of 15 would be practically suicidal - you would have to count on a big bandwagon forming on someone else, and hope you got no votes yourself. Yeah, someone was either more confident that they wouldn't gain any votes, or just more reckless. peeker, were you one of those possible 'dual-role' players who just got pushed one way or the other? Could you point me to where the possible dual-role players were mentioned? Or was this the multiple designations that Pollux scrapped? I don't necessarily see Pleo's PM as contradictory with respect to his claimed powers and win conditions for one reason: Non-participation happens. In order to win he claims that he needs to be in the top 15% of posters over three consecutive Days or in the top 50% over five Days. All he has to do is spam the thread more than anyone else for three Days and he's won. How does his win condition have anything to do with preventing lurking? If anything it would encourage non-participation. His claimed power can be used with any player in the bottom 20% of post count, irrespective of quantity of posts. His claimed "mod-confirmation" power of revealing a player's role, name and alignment only takes place on the 3rd investigation - but there's nothing stopping him reaching his claimed wincon before Night 3 even starts. It's meta, but Pollux is a veteran mod and I trust him not to have designed a game with a role that can win exclusively on Day Four. Fair enough, that makes sense.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 18, 2012 7:12:01 GMT -5
This is a pile of assumptions. How could you possibly know this without knowing what the hostile win conditions are? I say you can't and if your claim is legit then you made a hasty choice. The rules of the game? If he's nonhostile, he knows by that very designation that he does not affect town or scum wincons, town and scum both by their nature being hostile. Nonsense. The rules state non-hostile players can win without ending the game. Not that they are excluded from being a part of a hostile party's win condition. Note this: Pleo's claimed win condition doesn't require him to be alive to win. Therefore his win condition would not interfere with any win condition requiring him to be dead.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 18, 2012 7:13:31 GMT -5
This is a pile of assumptions. How could you possibly know this without knowing what the hostile win conditions are? I say you can't and if your claim is legit then you made a hasty choice. This is also a pile of horse shit. Every day must be a Pleo day. If he hadn't said anything he could have presented his results later when they were useful to town or he was under suspicion. But nooooo he can't wait for that he has to come out on N0 for Og's sake. Can't even wait for Day 1 anymore. He's always supposedly non-hostile and we just have to believe him and take him at his word or "waste" an investigation on him if we don't kill him right away. And in this game he is going to waste his power for 3 Days by confirming himself. Bleh I waffle between just ignoring him and voting him on day one every game. I have to wonder if his real goal is to die Day1 more than any other mafia player. Bleh, let me help you Pleo vote Pleo I have to agree with Sinjin - I find the claim hard to believe. The powers and wincon are unrelated - and you win by just posting a lot for 3 days -- wow - what an intellectually stimulating role. A restricted investigator that can only investigate lurkers and wins by posting a lot. It is supposed to be an anti-lurking mechanic - but why would other investigators not target lurkers Now, your claim is partially testable D1/N1 -- we agree on someone who is currently active, that Pleo should investigate, and everyone else posts a lot of junk to ensure that person is in the bottom 20%; of course, if Pleo is scum, then the scum can just bump of that person and Pleo does the "oh drat they killed my target/or I got blocked" excuse. Which is my main problem with his claim -- he could have investigated someone and provided some evidence to go with it. While suggesting that investigating him would be a waste, he must either think that his claim will standup under some form of investigation or that he may be some form of power stealer, and wants to be investigated. If Pleo's claim is truthful, then the scum cannot afford to have out any of their lurking number, so would want him dead - this claim paints a big target on him.
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Post by scáthach on Sept 18, 2012 7:25:45 GMT -5
Is there not precedent for a player having power(s) that emulate a mod's? In a gastard game no less? In a game where players can apparently control other players based on bidding votes? If someone can tell a merc player what to do, can someone not be able to control a mod?Pollux said in the sign ups that even though the game is gastard, he wouldn't lie. 11. This is a semi-Gastard game, so I will make this clear. I will NOT lie to you. I may tell you I can't answer your question, but any answers I do give to you are truthful. Also you may assume everything in your role PM and win condition is also truthful. I think we can be sure that Peeker is in fact Deadpool. Not that it tells us a whole lot.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 18, 2012 8:26:21 GMT -5
Does everyone know how to quickly check for the rank of post volume in each Day or Night thread? Go to this game's main board and click the number in the Replies column for the Day/Night thread you are interested in. A box will open with the people who have replied to the thread and the number of times they have replied.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 8:44:35 GMT -5
Nonsense. The rules state non-hostile players can win without ending the game. Not that they are excluded from being a part of a hostile party's win condition. Note this: Pleo's claimed win condition doesn't require him to be alive to win. Therefore his win condition would not interfere with any win condition requiring him to be dead. Ask me how likely I think it is that part of someone's win condition is to kill a nonhostile pleo. Or, in other words, nothing in my town win condition says anything about needing nonhostiles dead. Therefore, I consider anyone trying to use the lynch to eliminate nonhostiles as an enemy of town.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 18, 2012 9:07:24 GMT -5
i don't see how investigating lurkers is all that helfpul. plus it reads like he's got to get the same one 3 Days in a row, right. whose to say that they won't dead by then? then he's basically back to square one. plus unless he picks a scum out of the lurking pile what the fart good does it do if hasn't already won to announce something along the lines "little bunny foo foo is town". bunny foo foo isn't going to stand up say your full of shit i am scum. and we normally do not lynch a townie just to prove a half assed investigator's claim.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 18, 2012 9:30:46 GMT -5
If memory serves (in my case always a dubious proposition), in the Marathon game, when Pleo falsely claimed Town Detective, his targets were predominantly lurkers.
What a coincidence that his "assigned role" in this game is to do what he falsely claimed to be doing in Marathon.
If anyone here from Marathon can confirm or deny my memory, I would appreciate it.
Thanks.
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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 18, 2012 9:34:44 GMT -5
If memory serves (in my case always a dubious proposition), in the Marathon game, when Pleo falsely claimed Town Detective, his targets were predominantly lurkers. What a coincidence that his "assigned role" in this game is to do what he falsely claimed to be doing in Marathon. If anyone here from Marathon can confirm or deny my memory, I would appreciate it. Thanks. You are right, he was "investigating" lurkers in Marathon.
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