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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 18, 2012 9:41:24 GMT -5
Reading about Pleo's powers, it seems even more strange that he posted his PM on N0. If he had kept quiet he could have had his 3 Night investigations on someone and then could (if he was lucky) have a result.
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 18, 2012 9:46:45 GMT -5
Assume that Pleo's claim is false. He's designed his false claim to buy time - 3 Days. If he has a killing role, he could do a lot of damage in three Days. I don't think I like the idea of just leaving him alone and saying, "have at it, you're off the hook until Day 3."
I don't think we should necessarily judge Pleo's play by his Marathon play - each game should stand alone - but, yes, it's a very similar strategy; mostly-unprovable claim, investigating lurkers, and lots of wifom.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 18, 2012 10:02:48 GMT -5
If memory serves (in my case always a dubious proposition), in the Marathon game, when Pleo falsely claimed Town Detective, his targets were predominantly lurkers. What a coincidence that his "assigned role" in this game is to do what he falsely claimed to be doing in Marathon. If anyone here from Marathon can confirm or deny my memory, I would appreciate it. Thanks. You are right, he was "investigating" lurkers in Marathon. Thank-you. Score one for my memory!!! Yeah!!!
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 18, 2012 10:04:46 GMT -5
Interesting. How did that work out for him...scum won, right?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 18, 2012 10:08:23 GMT -5
Interesting. How did that work out for him...scum won, right? Yes, Scum won!
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 18, 2012 10:36:25 GMT -5
Interesting. How did that work out for him...scum won, right? Yes, Scum won! That's from Wombat1, 2, and 3.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 10:50:07 GMT -5
Assume that Pleo's claim is false. He's designed his false claim to buy time - 3 Days. If he has a killing role, he could do a lot of damage in three Days. I don't think I like the idea of just leaving him alone and saying, "have at it, you're off the hook until Day 3." If his goal was to buy time, he'd have not claimed at all.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 18, 2012 11:01:17 GMT -5
Assume that Pleo's claim is false. He's designed his false claim to buy time - 3 Days. If he has a killing role, he could do a lot of damage in three Days. I don't think I like the idea of just leaving him alone and saying, "have at it, you're off the hook until Day 3." If his goal was to buy time, he'd have not claimed at all. Sinc his recent MO has been to claim early he had to follow the pattern in his mind
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Post by Meeko on Sept 18, 2012 11:02:19 GMT -5
Interesting. How did that work out for him...scum won, right? Mostly because we let him live for so long. VOTE PLEONAST Do we have to place both votes? Is there a penalty if we don't?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 18, 2012 11:05:07 GMT -5
Yes, Scum won! That's from Wombat1, 2, and 3. Don't get me started on this. It's impossible to play mafia with that many sub ins. If I wanted to build a case on Wombat 3, I would un doubtedtly have used posts from wombat 1 and 2. Rinse lather repeat for each othe multiple subbing in player.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 18, 2012 11:07:37 GMT -5
Assume that Pleo's claim is false. He's designed his false claim to buy time - 3 Days. If he has a killing role, he could do a lot of damage in three Days. I don't think I like the idea of just leaving him alone and saying, "have at it, you're off the hook until Day 3." I don't think we should necessarily judge Pleo's play by his Marathon play - each game should stand alone - but, yes, it's a very similar strategy; mostly-unprovable claim, investigating lurkers, and lots of wifom. I changed my mind. I'm gonna vote him. He's proposed a plan to get himself dubiously confirmed. However if his claim was real he could confirm himself an even easier way by meeting his supposed win condition. In the same amount of time. Well I will vote him once I get to a PC that's not work blocked. Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using proboards
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 18, 2012 11:14:01 GMT -5
I too find Pleonast's claim a bit hard to swallow. But i'll also be among the first to admit that doesn't necessarily mean he's lying about it.
I do think it's unlikely that Pleo created that PM on his own from scratch. It seems similar enough stylistically to my own PM that I don't think he made it up; of course, that doesn't mean that every word of it is genuine.
vote Pleonast
He's admitted that he is not Town. Therefore a Pleonast lynch is definitely not a Town lynch, which is good. Not as good as a definite Scum lynch, true...but that's only if he's being 100% honest. If he's lying about being 'nonhostile', then his lynch is every bit as good as a Scum lynch.
Just to be clear: this is a policy vote. I've been burned before by claimed 'nonhostile third parties'; I don't want to get burned again. Should a better target (i.e. one that is more likely to be Scum) present itself I will change my vote, but in the absence of that target I am comfortable with lynching the admitted non-Town player.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 11:16:07 GMT -5
It's arkham two all over again.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 11:21:48 GMT -5
I'm also supes suspicious of anyone strongly advocating for lynching pleo because a nonhostile lynch is a mislynch and it's relatively easy for scum to get town to mislynch a claimed nonhostile.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 18, 2012 11:23:10 GMT -5
Yes, Scum won! That's from Wombat1, 2, and 3. Dizzymrslizzy1, 2, and 3 also agree with you and give Pleo a big I'm very mixed on Pleo He can be very dangerous if he's lying. 3 Days is a LONG time to let him run around rampart.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 11:28:22 GMT -5
Meanwhile, while you're all freaking out about Pleo, some other number of players are sitting back cackling to each other at the fact that we're 5 pages into Day one and literally the only person who has votes is Pleo because he might be lying about who he says he is. With that sort of rationale, we might as well vote everyone else in the whole game.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 11:30:07 GMT -5
Ok, pleo has a vote on peeker. So almost literally.
Things I don't like: colby's, sinjin's and Suburban's votes. They're lazily argued and reek of bandwagonism.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 18, 2012 11:41:28 GMT -5
You people voting for Pleo, what are you scared of? To quote his post from N0: Assuming he's telling the truth, if he follows through with his plan he'll be mod confirmed the morning of D4. If not, he can be dealt with then. Used to be, when a person made a testable claim we tested it. Has that changed, on this board? No, he won't be Mod Confirmed on Day 4. What would be Mod Confirmed would be his ability to "paint their role name, alignment, and desgination on their face and all over their room so at Dawn the entire public will know who they are." That tells us nothing about his actual role or alignment, only that he was telling us the truth about one facet of his abilities. I don't know if Pleonast is Scum, Hostile Third-Party, or Nonhostile Third-Party. The only thing I'm pretty darn certain of is that he is not Town. And at the moment, he is the only player in this game towards which that I have that amount of certainty. And that makes him, for the moment, a better lynch candidate than anyone else. Ok, pleo has a vote on peeker. So almost literally. Things I don't like: colby's, sinjin's and Suburban's votes. They're lazily argued and reek of bandwagonism. And peeker has a vote on Cookies. So even less literally than before. You're OK with Meeko's vote?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 11:43:41 GMT -5
I basically ignore Meeko. I have a better mafia experience that way.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 18, 2012 12:16:11 GMT -5
I basically ignore Meeko. I have a better mafia experience that way. HA!!!
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 18, 2012 12:35:26 GMT -5
Assume that Pleo's claim is false. He's designed his false claim to buy time - 3 Days. If he has a killing role, he could do a lot of damage in three Days. I don't think I like the idea of just leaving him alone and saying, "have at it, you're off the hook until Day 3." If his goal was to buy time, he'd have not claimed at all. i actually think i agree with this unless he is concerned about a Night whack. just keep posting like a mofo and stay alive and you win. i think letting him live toDay kind of makes sense. the scum team (which will invariably include a lurker or so) will want his ass dead pretty durn quick if his claim is true. to some extent the longer he lives the greater possibility is that lurkers are town. so if he doesn't get Nk'ed by N2 we string him up on D3.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 18, 2012 12:39:02 GMT -5
My two pence
Pleo in true pleonast fashion claimed early and with no pressure
Non-hostile third party of course (If he was Town he’d have sung that loud and clear)
The way he proposes to play his role won’t advance his supposed win-con in the first 3 Days
Surely Scum will let him live and create debates for the first two Days/Nights atleast .
IF he does investigate himself- His results will not benefit Town. And Scum can happily NK him before he advances to other targets.
If he is telling the truth- a live non-hostile 3P is good for Town for numbers- not much else
If he has a rabbit up his sleeve- Town will pay for it.
Pleo’s play style often irritates/frustrates players and Mods alike ( BTDT)
I know he has tricked me before when he was truthful (I supported his lynch) and when he was lying.( didn’t support his lynch)
Either we take him off the table early, or let him stew. ( if he doesn’t do as promised we’ll just lynch him then)
Hell maybe all this attention has bearing on his true win-con?
What you may ask am I going to conclude with this blather?
I will leave Pleo be this Day and see if any odd bits come to light in the next Day
There is something that feels “off” about his claim but I can’t quite squeeze it by the neck.
YMMV
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Post by Meeko on Sept 18, 2012 12:39:31 GMT -5
I basically ignore Meeko. I have a better mafia experience that way. Has anyone seen inner? I mean, he is playing this game, right?
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 18, 2012 12:42:53 GMT -5
I'm also supes suspicious of anyone strongly advocating for lynching pleo because a nonhostile lynch is a mislynch and it's relatively easy for scum to get town to mislynch a claimed nonhostile. but i absolutely disagree with this. it is relatively easy to manipulate a pm and put in N-O-N in front of hostile. now albeit if you take the rest of the pm at face value he does seem harmless. and personally i kind of try to lynch non townies. sure getting scum is the best outcome but if you have one person that gets out of the crowd and says i am not you but trust me i am no threat just aim into that other crowd over there makes me go hmmm.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 18, 2012 12:44:57 GMT -5
If his goal was to buy time, he'd have not claimed at all. Sinc his recent MO has been to claim early he had to follow the pattern in his mind the only pattern that i could envision in his mind would be an etchasketch drawing produced by my dogs.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 18, 2012 12:47:03 GMT -5
If his goal was to buy time, he'd have not claimed at all. i actually think i agree with this... And I'd concur up to this point. Then you go off into Woowooland: I see absolutely no compelling reason whatsoever to put any amount of confidence that Pleo's longevity can be used as some sort of litmus test for alignment of our low-volume posters.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 18, 2012 12:49:23 GMT -5
I basically ignore Meeko. I have a better mafia experience that way. Has anyone seen inner? I mean, he is playing this game, right? You ask this in post #142. Inner Stickler posted #s 126, 132, 133, 135, 136, and 138. And that's just on page 5 of Day One. Skimming is a Scum tell (or so I have heard....).
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 18, 2012 12:52:16 GMT -5
The way he proposes to play his role won’t advance his supposed win-con in the first 3 Days I don't believe Pleo as proposed this, unless you're referring surviving to be a conscious act of advancing one's win condition. Pleo is of course free to speak for himself but I think it is more likely that Pleo has proposed that he will try and demonstrate his power as a means to confirm at least some of his claim, which, as others are anxious about, doesn't apparently have much to do with his claimed win condition.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 18, 2012 12:52:37 GMT -5
but i absolutely disagree with this. it is relatively easy to manipulate a pm and put in N-O-N in front of hostile. now albeit if you take the rest of the pm at face value he does seem harmless. and personally i kind of try to lynch non townies. sure getting scum is the best outcome but if you have one person that gets out of the crowd and says i am not you but trust me i am no threat just aim into that other crowd over there makes me go hmmm. You can go hmm all you want but if pleo dies and flips nonhostile, I will be raking the hmmers over the coals looking for scummy centers.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 18, 2012 12:53:05 GMT -5
i actually think i agree with this... And I'd concur up to this point. Then you go off into Woowooland: I see absolutely no compelling reason whatsoever to put any amount of confidence that Pleo's longevity can be used as some sort of litmus test for alignment of our low-volume posters. really? you don't see how a scum team, if pleo is being truthful wouldn't be concerned about a team mate outing. but if the low volumes are all town they can just whistle their ass away. bunny foo foo is town. so we can lynch foo foo and see if pleo was full of turd or we lynch pleo to confirm foo foo.
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