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Post by wombat99 on Sept 30, 2012 11:49:31 GMT -5
And I'll be the second to ask how did you get a penalty vote? He edited a post.
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 30, 2012 12:25:54 GMT -5
I believe that Rich is trying to portray himself as a helpless newbie, when that's not strictly true. Looking through his posts, I snipped out parts where he is putting himself down or downplaying his abilities. We have several players in this game who picked up the game starting with Marathon, and Rich is the only one who is proclaiming his newbieness loudly and often. The question is - why would he be doing this? Possibly so he can actively lurk and get away without scum-hunting (see also guiri's case). Bottom line - this is a change in playstyle from Marathon; I know from that game that Rich is smart and a good player, second game or not; and he's trying to appear otherwise. Vote: Rich Beckman This is only my second game. Honestly, I wish I could explain my stupidity here, I think I was just (stupidly) assuming that he would come to his senses before Night arrived... Geez, I wonder how long I have to play this game before I learn to read EVERYTHING skeptically? Us simpletons (or is it just me?) have to work off of what little we (I?) understand. Maybe someday I will learn to read. And no, I doubt the explanation is that I am getting smarter.
I know nothing. And less everyday. [/size][/quote] [/size]Gawd, I really am slow. I hope this is not evidence of senility. [/size][/quote] I had no idea what it meant. This is just my second game. LOL! I thought that was how the game was played. When something does not make sense to me, ask! So that's what I am trying to do.
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Post by crys on Sept 30, 2012 12:28:32 GMT -5
And I'll be the second to ask how did you get a penalty vote? He edited a post. How do you know this? I went through and looked for a post near the first question and couldn't find anything....
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Post by crys on Sept 30, 2012 12:34:22 GMT -5
So after a reread some things stick out to me.
I really am concerned about Meeko's paranoia. Now it could be role related but it could be related to he actually has something to hide. I have learned to go with my gut and not to second guess myself.
Vote: Meeko
As for my second vote I really don't like the idea of thepizzaguy editiing his post. I am a new player and even I know that is a huge No no. As a seasoned veteran he should know better.
Vote: thepizzaguy
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 30, 2012 12:34:45 GMT -5
"I'd prefer we not lynch any of JustBeingGinger, BillMc, gnarlycharlie, storyteller0910, Red Skeezix, Sister Coyote ToDay, since I've investigated one of them and don't want to lose out on my second-stage investigation." ^Said Pleonast. Whoops. At the same time, oh well. If I'm about to make a grievous error just say so. Never question the random net of justice! This one (the edit doesn't show in the quote). It was a bit further back.
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 30, 2012 12:40:44 GMT -5
As for my second vote I really don't like the idea of thepizzaguy editiing his post. I am a new player and even I know that is a huge No no. As a seasoned veteran he should know better. You are exactly right that the editing is a big no-no, and I am pretty sure that ATPG does know better. So why would he intentionally draw a penalty vote? I believe him to be town. Why would a townie do something out of character like advocate a random lynch, and draw a penalty vote? Maybe he's trying to see who goes for the easy votes on him.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 12:40:45 GMT -5
The Blue Pee Gang was part of the New Canaan Town Hall game, but I can't find a link to the spoiler boards to refresh my memory. Kassia (my better half who played a couple of games with us years ago) and Sinjin were 'The Blue Pee Bang', a pair of Third Parties who could communicate with each other off-board. If I remember correctly, as a strategy to help them advance their win condition (which I don't remember the details of) they made up a fake night action effect that caused the visitor to have blue pee by having Kassia claim to have had her pee turn blue. It was quite successful as a red herring and there was much worry and consternation about who's pee was or was not blue, what it meant, etc. Sinjin will know more. Kassia is currently playing piano at her church, so I can't call her and pester her to refresh my memory at this very moment.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 12:42:57 GMT -5
heh. Blue Pee Bang. A little Freudian slip of the top Google Search result, which happens to be NSFW.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 30, 2012 13:41:37 GMT -5
As for my second vote I really don't like the idea of thepizzaguy editiing his post. I am a new player and even I know that is a huge No no. As a seasoned veteran he should know better. You are exactly right that the editing is a big no-no, and I am pretty sure that ATPG does know better. So why would he intentionally draw a penalty vote? I believe him to be town. Why would a townie do something out of character like advocate a random lynch, and draw a penalty vote? Maybe he's trying to see who goes for the easy votes on him. Pizza sometimes plays by his own set- he may have been testing the rule- OR it's another science experiment - as mentioned above also some games he plays the rules are different so it could be a cross culture thing
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Post by Meeko on Sept 30, 2012 13:42:36 GMT -5
So after a reread some things stick out to me. I really am concerned about Meeko's paranoia. Now it could be role related but it could be related to he actually has something to hide. I have learned to go with my gut and not to second guess myself. As for my second vote I really don't like the idea of thepizzaguy editiing his post. I am a new player and even I know that is a huge No no. As a seasoned veteran he should know better. This is a gastard game. Does your vast experience of mafia guide you as far as playing in a gastard game? Yes, I am a more paranoid player. Frankly you should worry if I wasn't paranoid as far as this game goes, and as far as I go in regards to my play style. We are in a game where from the get go, we have been told that things will be different. If that doesn't cause one to be paranoid, I don't know what will.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 30, 2012 13:46:48 GMT -5
It annoys me when play style is used as a Scum tell- if someone always plays that way how can it be “telling”
That said the player that I am going to vote for is guiri toDay- In this game ‘e is nit picking like a drowning rat- it seems that anything that a hat might hang on is getting one.
It’s not an OMGYS vote btw.
pleo is being pleo- not much we can do about that- he’ll get his lynch/lunch eventually- I almost think ‘e likes the teeter totter ride- as many of us know a Character Name means diddly in most games so his withholding of that info is suspect. Really- if he tells us player X is named Y What do we gain? – UNLESS that player pops in and says “ that’s not my name” Oh then he’s got some ‘splainin’ to do.
Pizza sounds like he is trying to share info – but not too much at this time- IF the reasoning is eventually explained then….
KidV was relatively forth coming about his bits- IF ‘e ponies up the info he has gained- and it’s somehow verified of course- he’ll be better off.
My suspicions D1 of Meristal have not diminished- but the post count gives me bupkiss to read or work with from them.
Vote: guiri Vote Pleonast
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 13:59:39 GMT -5
The Blue Pee Gang was part of the New Canaan Town Hall game, but I can't find a link to the spoiler boards to refresh my memory. Kassia (my better half who played a couple of games with us years ago) and Sinjin were 'The Blue Pee Bang', a pair of Third Parties who could communicate with each other off-board. If I remember correctly, as a strategy to help them advance their win condition (which I don't remember the details of) they made up a fake night action effect that caused the visitor to have blue pee by having Kassia claim to have had her pee turn blue. It was quite successful as a red herring and there was much worry and consternation about who's pee was or was not blue, what it meant, etc. Sinjin will know more. Kassia is currently playing piano at her church, so I can't call her and pester her to refresh my memory at this very moment. Actually, I may have mis-remembered some of those details. One of their powers was the ability to send messages to other players saying whatever they wanted. They chose to start PMing people that their pee had turned blue. They may have sent such a message to someone prior to Kassia claiming to have received the message. I just know based on searching her past posts that she claim to have blue pee at some point. She may not have been the first to claim as such publicly.
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Post by guiri on Sept 30, 2012 14:01:00 GMT -5
Bottom line - this is a change in playstyle from Marathon In fairness he was scum in that game so some sort of a change is to be expected. Did you report Pizza's edit to the moderator? The Blue Pee Gang was part of the New Canaan Town Hall game, but I can't find a link to the spoiler boards to refresh my memory. They were speculators, I linked to their role on story's game boardThat said the player that I am going to vote for is guiri toDay- In this game ‘e is nit picking like a drowning rat- it seems that anything that a hat might hang on is getting one. You're voting me because I find you suspicious or did you just notice now that I like to pick apart posts, look for hidden motivations, and vote accordingly? It’s not an OMGYS vote btw. It sure feels like one to me.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 30, 2012 14:02:09 GMT -5
pleo is being pleo- not much we can do about that- he’ll get his lynch/lunch eventually- I almost think ‘e likes the teeter totter ride- as many of us know a Character Name means diddly in most games so his withholding of that info is suspect. Really- if he tells us player X is named Y What do we gain? – UNLESS that player pops in and says “ that’s not my name” Oh then he’s got some ‘splainin’ to do. Lightfoot, I think you haven't thought this through. You said "if he tells us player X is named Y What do we gain?" The answer to that is very little. We would learn who Pleo investigated, and their name - which, as you point out, is almost worthless on its own. However, for Pleo to learn more, he has to target that same person a second Night. That person must be a low poster Today. If Pleo named his subject, that person could up their posting rate and avoid being further investigated and forcing Pleo to start again. In addition, there is now no pressure on the other five, who as it is have to consider the possibility that Pleo might investigate them. Thus Pleo, think what you will of his claim, is making a reasonable play that might possibly elicit information.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 30, 2012 14:02:41 GMT -5
Random votes aren't anti-town. it's how you get the game rolling once it begins, or once it stalls. Capice? I don't agree. Random votes are just random votes. Without reasons for your votes, what discussion is started? I can tell you. Pizza randomly lynches scum. Discussion: Did pizza randomly lynch scum, or is it PIS trying to make him look good? Did the people who were opposed to the lynch and called it anti town, were they townies, or the scumbag's teammates? What about the people that voted for the guy before Pizza called for their head. Are they innocent now? Who do we lynch next? It's not the vote that causes the discussion, but the lynch result. If you don't like who I'm nominating for death, last round it was dizzymrslizzy, who has seen fit to return the favor today, and today its those two people, then nominate someone else. That process also generates discussion. It's better than talking about Pleonast for another 2 rounds.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 30, 2012 14:03:12 GMT -5
I thought breadcrumbs were when you would cleverly disguise something for a select few, or outright hide something only to later be like "hey I was bread crumbling you all this time....." And show them where you did so when you need to prove your claim. It does seem to be self defeating when you announce the breadcrumb as a breadcrumb in the same post you drop it. I can't trust you guys to pick up subtlety.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 30, 2012 14:05:05 GMT -5
You are exactly right that the editing is a big no-no, and I am pretty sure that ATPG does know better. So why would he intentionally draw a penalty vote? I believe him to be town. Why would a townie do something out of character like advocate a random lynch, and draw a penalty vote? Maybe he's trying to see who goes for the easy votes on him. Pizza sometimes plays by his own set- he may have been testing the rule- OR it's another science experiment - as mentioned above also some games he plays the rules are different so it could be a cross culture thing On every single other forum I play on, editing posts for grammar and spelling, nobody cares about. I continue to fail to see what it has to do with mafia, and old habits die very hard. I am too anxious to post, and I am a chronic editor.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 30, 2012 14:18:09 GMT -5
pleo is being pleo- not much we can do about that- he’ll get his lynch/lunch eventually- I almost think ‘e likes the teeter totter ride- as many of us know a Character Name means diddly in most games so his withholding of that info is suspect. Really- if he tells us player X is named Y What do we gain? – UNLESS that player pops in and says “ that’s not my name” Oh then he’s got some ‘splainin’ to do. Lightfoot, I think you haven't thought this through. You said "if he tells us player X is named Y What do we gain?" The answer to that is very little. We would learn who Pleo investigated, and their name - which, as you point out, is almost worthless on its own. However, for Pleo to learn more, he has to target that same person a second Night. That person must be a low poster Today. If Pleo named his subject, that person could up their posting rate and avoid being further investigated and forcing Pleo to start again. In addition, there is now no pressure on the other five, who as it is have to consider the possibility that Pleo might investigate them. Thus Pleo, think what you will of his claim, is making a reasonable play that might possibly elicit information. In your light it does make some sense- I'll think some more about it
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Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2012 14:23:33 GMT -5
The Blue Pee Gang was part of the New Canaan Town Hall game, but I can't find a link to the spoiler boards to refresh my memory. Kassia (my better half who played a couple of games with us years ago) and Sinjin were 'The Blue Pee Bang', a pair of Third Parties who could communicate with each other off-board. If I remember correctly, as a strategy to help them advance their win condition (which I don't remember the details of) they made up a fake night action effect that caused the visitor to have blue pee by having Kassia claim to have had her pee turn blue. It was quite successful as a red herring and there was much worry and consternation about who's pee was or was not blue, what it meant, etc. Sinjin will know more. Kassia is currently playing piano at her church, so I can't call her and pester her to refresh my memory at this very moment. Actually, I may have mis-remembered some of those details. One of their powers was the ability to send messages to other players saying whatever they wanted. They chose to start PMing people that their pee had turned blue. They may have sent such a message to someone prior to Kassia claiming to have received the message. I just know based on searching her past posts that she claim to have blue pee at some point. She may not have been the first to claim as such publicly. This is not quite correct. We were able to enslave androids by injecting them with some sort of serum. We won if we enslaved a certain number of androids. The win was exclusive so we were a pair of pfk's. If we injected a non-android/human the serum was rejected by their bodies in the form of blue pee. That's how we were able to determine who were androids and who were humans. We blew it by claiming not knowing that one of the masons was given info by the mod about the blue pee inducing speculators. So Pizza are you a non-android or a speculator?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 30, 2012 14:27:01 GMT -5
I believe that Rich is trying to portray himself as a helpless newbie, when that's not strictly true. Looking through his posts, I snipped out parts where he is putting himself down or downplaying his abilities. We have several players in this game who picked up the game starting with Marathon, and Rich is the only one who is proclaiming his newbieness loudly and often. The question is - why would he be doing this? Possibly so he can actively lurk and get away without scum-hunting (see also guiri's case). Bottom line - this is a change in playstyle from Marathon; I know from that game that Rich is smart and a good player, second game or not; and he's trying to appear otherwise. <snip> Geez oh Pete! Really? I "played the newbie card" twice in that list. Both times mentioning it is my second game. Newsflash: it is my second game. There was little in the first game to prepare me for this game. There is plenty here I do not understand. I appreciate the compliments, "smart and a good player," I like to think I am smart. But I am aware that my intelligence has its limitations. I am socially inept. I read people poorly. Even in print. I am light years ahead of where I was thirty years ago, but I still have a long way to go. I have received a few compliments on my play in Marathon, but I would argue much of that success was luck. I have a self deprecating humor. No one who knows me has not heard me say "I know nothing. And less everyday." Did you look at the context of those posts? Do you not think I deserved those face slaps? I completely missed gnarlycharlie's joke (a good one, too). If anything I did not give myself enough. As for "Honestly, I wish I could explain my stupidity here, I think I was just (stupidly) assuming that he would come to his senses before Night arrived..." I was referring to Mahaloth's stated intention to use his kill that night. Something that I ( stupidly) had not taken into account prior to that post. Maybe you think it was intelligent of me to not take it into account? I don't know. I think it was stupid. As far Mafia is concerned, I do still consider myself a simpleton. Some players are able to put complicated stuff into a form I can understand, but there is plenty here that I can not make heads or tails of. By the way, I really appreciate how you post all of those quotes completely stripped of context.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 30, 2012 14:31:54 GMT -5
So where is Pleo....Did he disappear and forget to get his post count up. You know it wouldn't be "hard" to block his Win con if it's as written....if we cared to.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 30, 2012 14:32:02 GMT -5
For guiri- et al
I start each game ( or try to ) with every player having a clean slate- if this is what you always do- it’s not pinged my ( faulty at best) radar in the past.AIR
To see something that is out of line and bring it up is what we do.
But your posts are selective in the bits you choose to “pick” out
Some players have had meat in their sandwiches and you pull out the pickle to comment on.
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Post by crys on Sept 30, 2012 14:32:09 GMT -5
So after a reread some things stick out to me. I really am concerned about Meeko's paranoia. Now it could be role related but it could be related to he actually has something to hide. I have learned to go with my gut and not to second guess myself. As for my second vote I really don't like the idea of thepizzaguy editiing his post. I am a new player and even I know that is a huge No no. As a seasoned veteran he should know better. This is a gastard game. Does your vast experience of mafia guide you as far as playing in a gastard game? Yes, I am a more paranoid player. Frankly you should worry if I wasn't paranoid as far as this game goes, and as far as I go in regards to my play style. We are in a game where from the get go, we have been told that things will be different. If that doesn't cause one to be paranoid, I don't know what will. Oh yes I would expect a touch more paranoia from you, however it comes across as a "OMFG I am having a paranoia panic attack RIGHT NOW!!!!!!" In fact there have been a few times I have thought about asking you if you wanted a paper bag to keep from hyperventilating. I'm sorry you don't like my vote on you but it stays. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 30, 2012 14:35:05 GMT -5
Bottom line - this is a change in playstyle from Marathon In fairness he was scum in that game so some sort of a change is to be expected. Did you report Pizza's edit to the moderator? No, I didn't report the edit. Some sort of change in play style could be expected based on role, but this feels intentional to me. For the sake of argument, say he is town now and this is a more "natural" play style than his scum play. It seems unlikely that he was just suppressing the urge to self-deprecate in the last game and it's now just coming out.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 14:35:20 GMT -5
Thanks Sinjin and Guiri. Knowing your memory sucks is the first step to preparing your loved ones for if you ever go senile.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 30, 2012 14:37:14 GMT -5
So where is Pleo....Did he disappear and forget to get his post count up. You know it wouldn't be "hard" to block his Win con if it's as written....if we cared to. Pleo never plays at weekends. I can't remember the last time I saw him post after about 11pm on a Friday 1. His absence is not at all surprising. 1All times BST.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 30, 2012 14:37:36 GMT -5
It does seem to be self defeating when you announce the breadcrumb as a breadcrumb in the same post you drop it. I can't trust you guys to pick up subtlety. I cannot speak for Meeko, but as for me: Yes! You are absolutely correct. You cannot trust me to pick up subtlety. Sometimes I might pick up on it, but if you are trusting me to do so, you will be disappointed.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 30, 2012 15:09:23 GMT -5
You are not confirmed. It does not matter in the least what you are claiming to be. While that is true, it is also irrelevant to this discussion. If they are hostile, why do I need to make a case for it? Why on earth should anyone accept your word for it? If you're Town or any flavour of third party, no-one except you and anyone who's investigated you knows that for sure. (The Mafia know you're not Mafia, but cannot tell without investigating whether you are Town or third party.) If you're Mafia your whole team knows your alignment, but they can't publish it without losing you, and why should anyone believe an exposed Mafiate? Anti-town play does not imply anti-town alignment, as it can arise from mistakes, or even simply a different playstyle. You do need to make cases why they need to be lynched.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 30, 2012 15:21:40 GMT -5
Sorry, RL is keeping me busy at the moment. @pleo: yes I read the second part of your post. The threat of being investigated is a rather flimsy excuse. Everyone is subject to investigation - the fact that you may have investigated someone in the 'lurker' category hardly qualifies as a carrot or a stick. The only thing that it tells me is that whatever name you may have gotten didn't tell you a whole lot. And with respect to your wincon and that ongoing saga....irrespective of whether you are telling the truth about your wincon being non-hostile; it does not mean that your future actions will be non-hostile -- such as voting with the scum when it comes down to the wire. @pizza: Blue pee - really should see a doctor about that - and remind me not to order your pizza's either. Colby11: I'm finding your posts very reminiscent of the last few Days of the Marathon game - lots of havering... Vote: Colby11
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 30, 2012 15:51:06 GMT -5
So where is Pleo....Did he disappear and forget to get his post count up. You know it wouldn't be "hard" to block his Win con if it's as written....if we cared to. Pleo never plays at weekends. I can't remember the last time I saw him post after about 11pm on a Friday 1. His absence is not at all surprising. 1All times BST. Ah okay. I didn't realize that.
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