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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 30, 2012 15:54:50 GMT -5
Some sort of change in play style could be expected based on role, but this feels intentional to me. For the sake of argument, say he is town now and this is a more "natural" play style than his scum play. It seems unlikely that he was just suppressing the urge to self-deprecate in the last game and it's now just coming out. Thank you Wombat, I was trying to articulate this but was struggling with the wording.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 15:55:20 GMT -5
[quote author=billsmcmillan board=poll thread=2047 post=98751 time=1349036500
And with respect to your [Pleo's] wincon and that ongoing saga....irrespective of whether you are telling the truth about your wincon being non-hostile; it does not mean that your future actions will be non-hostile -- such as voting with the scum when it comes down to the wire.[/quote]
But that potential for town-damaging action exists for every non-scum's future actions, all other things being equal. If an unclaimed Townie ends up voting for another Townie (which we all knows happens, all the time), it is not somehow less bad for Town than when a claimed Third Party does the same thing.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 30, 2012 16:04:43 GMT -5
Updated Day 2 Vote CountPleonast (5 votes) - Meeko, KidVermicious, Colby11, LaurieRN, Lightfoot Askthepizzaguy (4 votes) - Penalty Vote, LaurieRN, dizzymrslizzy, crys Meeko (3 votes) - SisterCoyote, Pleonast, crys Richbeckman (2 votes) - guiri, wombat99 JustBeingGinger (1 vote) - Penalty Vote Inner Stickler (1 vote) - dizzymrslizzy Lightfoot (1 vote) - guiri Crys (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy BillMc (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy guiri (1 vote) - Lightfoot Colby11 (1 vote) - BillMc With these votes, Pleonast will be lynched.Day ends in ~44 hours.When did ATPG get a penalty vote? He edited Post #256. And for clarification, I found it all by myself. I'm observant like that.
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Post by Parzival on Sept 30, 2012 16:49:52 GMT -5
dizzymrslizzy, your suggestion did make me think of something. Pleo's supposedly around to discourage lurking. But his wincon and play might lead to excessive posting and increased noise. And on the other side, he actually wants us to let the lurkers be. Which I'd rather not do.
Also, the more I see of askthepizzaguy, the less likely I think what he's doing is scum (organized mafia). He might still be hostile, but it all comes off a bit too crazy to do. Personally I think whatever he's up to is not threatening at the moment. I'm not telling people to not vote for him (since I could well be wrong), and I honestly do not pick up on anything he's saying, but I think he does have information somehow. Normally I'd prefer it be shared, but I don't begrudge him his reasons for withholding it. At least not yet.
vote Pleonast vote JustBeingGinger for lurking.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 30, 2012 17:16:16 GMT -5
OK. Let's see.
Regarding Pleonast I really don't know how to handle Pleo, but then, I never do. I am not going to vote for him at the moment, simply because I'm not sure we're going to get much informationally out of a Pleo lynch and while I think "hostile third party" is certainly possible, his behavior seems inconsistent with what I think Scum would be doing in this particular game. At the same time, I can't really fault those who are voting for him for doing so. That's the biggest problem with the Pleo situation - I can't really find fault with those who want to lynch him nor with those who don't, because the reasons to lynch him seem independent of one's alignment in this particular game.
The absolute best thing that could happen would be for someone with a spare kill to throw it Pleo's way. If that doesn't happen, we'll have to figure it out eventually. And I won't cry many bitter tears if he is lynched today.
askthepizzaguy The votes for pizzaguy bug me. His behavior has been odd and a little confusing, but there's nothing there that suggests Scum to me. Why would a Scum player play like this? I acknowledge that one might, but a Scum player might play in any way; it's incumbent upon voters to explain why a particular style of play is more likely to be Scum in the context of the current game, and I don't think the pizzaguy voters have done that, really.
I'm going to re-read Day Two this evening and come back with a vote, and it is likely to be on someone voting for pizzaguy.
Meanwhile, though, the following is for pizzaguy, in light of his "peeing blue" remark:
PIZZAGUY: Do you have any kind of post restriction? If you do and are not permitted to answer this question, simply acknowledge the existence of but do no respond to this message. I will interpret lack of response as agreement that you have a post restriction. If you do not, please state that you do not as clearly as possible.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 17:26:56 GMT -5
And with respect to your [Pleo's] wincon and that ongoing saga....irrespective of whether you are telling the truth about your wincon being non-hostile; it does not mean that your future actions will be non-hostile -- such as voting with the scum when it comes down to the wire.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 30, 2012 19:32:35 GMT -5
Okay I just thought of something else. According to the vote count Pleo will be lynched, but um Who made the bid for the Merc last night. Didn't someone (I forget) already say they bid 6 for today and lost.....So the winning person has at least 7 votes on them and will be lynched instead?!?
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Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2012 19:44:02 GMT -5
Ok, color me stupid, but this is the weirdest mafia game I've ever played. I know meeko has suggested a no scum game that everyone is ignoring, kind of like I slide by a lot of meeko posts (bygones guy) but I'm kind of wondering if this really is no scum game. Gah, I can't believe I said that. But it kind of seems that there is no push for any lynch...does that make sense? Like all of us are clueless.
I almost feel like this is town/third party hostile/third party non-hostile. And it's up to town/third party non-hostile to discern who's hostile? Does that make any sense? Or are scum just hanging back and letting what will be will be?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 19:45:06 GMT -5
I don't believe anyone has divulged any bid amounts Today. But someone discussed having made a smaller bid than KidV's Yesterday.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 30, 2012 19:49:02 GMT -5
I'm really sorry, guys - I battled a stomach bug for a couple days, then I spent the weekend in the wilds with the Forest Service building a fence, and today I'm home and thought I was going to catch up and play, and instead I'm coming down with a horrible cold and I'm going to get stoned off my ass on cold drugs and go back to bed for a couple days. I will read as I'm able. I may comment, but don't blame me if it isn't coherent. I didn't investigate anybody. I flipped a coin and tails told me to have the Merc protect me.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 30, 2012 19:52:38 GMT -5
Seriously, can someone teach me how to search on this board.....
I've been trying to find Pleo's PM claim and going through 700+ posts are making my eyes bleed, and none of my attempts at searching are coming up with anything tangible. What am I missing here?
I just tried looking something else up and struck out too.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 19:58:20 GMT -5
Find any random post from Pleo.
Click on the his name where it appears next to the post.
You'll see his profile page which includes a field where you can run a search for 10 of his most recent post. Blast that number up to 100 or something that is definitely more than he's posted in this game so far.
Do a 'find' in your browser for 'lurker' and keep hitting next until you find his PM post.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2012 19:59:12 GMT -5
Pleo claimed N0, there's not too many posts there, just go back and page thru is the easiest way. I'm too lazy to do it for you.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 20:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2012 20:09:05 GMT -5
I didn't investigate anybody. I flipped a coin and tails told me to have the Merc protect me. Really? Really? You did the whole vote for the other guy, not me I bet my life on the merc vote cause I'm so towny then used it to save yourself? No claim, no info.... vote KidVI'm sorry you're sick but fool me once man.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 30, 2012 20:24:47 GMT -5
I didn't investigate anybody. I flipped a coin and tails told me to have the Merc protect me. Really? Really? You did the whole vote for the other guy, not me I bet my life on the merc vote cause I'm so towny then used it to save yourself? No claim, no info.... vote KidV I'm sorry you're sick but fool me once man. bleachedI suspect he felt like he had put a target on his back by all that fuss.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2012 20:29:28 GMT -5
bleachedI suspect he felt like he had put a target on his back by all that fuss. Yeah, but he caused all that fuss in the first place.
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Post by patricia on Sept 30, 2012 20:31:02 GMT -5
I totally see Sinjn points - ask town to save yourself so you can use the merc to help town than you use the merc to save yourself. What are you going to do to save yourself this time?
Vote KidV
And also for reason given in day one and in case I can't get back to the game on Monday
Vote Coloby 11
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Post by patricia on Sept 30, 2012 20:31:39 GMT -5
vote colby11
sorry forgot the color
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 20:38:31 GMT -5
Ok, color me stupid, but this is the weirdest mafia game I've ever played. I know meeko has suggested a no scum game that everyone is ignoring, kind of like I slide by a lot of meeko posts (bygones guy) but I'm kind of wondering if this really is no scum game. Gah, I can't believe I said that. But it kind of seems that there is no push for any lynch...does that make sense? Like all of us are clueless. I almost feel like this is town/third party hostile/third party non-hostile. And it's up to town/third party non-hostile to discern who's hostile? Does that make any sense? Or are scum just hanging back and letting what will be will be? If Pizza is indeed trying to soft-claim as some Third Party Speculator, then I'll consider drinking the koolaid too. But Third Parties in general seem to get outed or tip their hands a bit faster than other factions for some reason, and they may all be floating to the top early in this game. The fact that two came forward voluntarily on N0 and D1 may make it seem like they're everywhere.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 30, 2012 20:42:17 GMT -5
Really? Really? You did the whole vote for the other guy, not me I bet my life on the merc vote cause I'm so towny then used it to save yourself? No claim, no info.... vote KidV I'm sorry you're sick but fool me once man. bleachedI suspect he felt like he had put a target on his back by all that fuss. This. It's nothing but WIFOM, guys - any killers that didn't want that investigation to happen were forced to choose between sending a kill order my way and possibly waste it if I protected, OR kill somebody else and hope somebody else kills me or I'm blocked or whatever. I didn't protect to save my bacon as much as I protected because it might have intercepted a kill order. This kneejerk VOTE HIM reaction is very interesting - were you two that starved for a reason to vote somebody?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 30, 2012 20:47:07 GMT -5
bleachedI suspect he felt like he had put a target on his back by all that fuss. This. It's nothing but WIFOM, guys - any killers that didn't want that investigation to happen were forced to choose between sending a kill order my way and possibly waste it if I protected, OR kill somebody else and hope somebody else kills me or I'm blocked or whatever. I didn't protect to save my bacon as much as I protected because it might have intercepted a kill order. This kneejerk VOTE HIM reaction is very interesting - were you two that starved for a reason to vote somebody? Umm...I have no vote on you.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 30, 2012 20:49:38 GMT -5
Updated Day 2 Vote CountPleonast (5 votes) - Meeko, KidVermicious, Colby11, LaurieRN, Lightfoot Askthepizzaguy (4 votes) - Penalty Vote, LaurieRN, dizzymrslizzy, crys Meeko (3 votes) - SisterCoyote, Pleonast, crys Richbeckman (2 votes) - guiri, wombat99 JustBeingGinger (1 vote) - Penalty Vote Inner Stickler (1 vote) - dizzymrslizzy Lightfoot (1 vote) - guiri Crys (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy BillMc (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy guiri (1 vote) - Lightfoot Colby11 (1 vote) - BillMc With these votes, Pleonast will be lynched.Day ends in ~44 hours.When did ATPG get a penalty vote? He edited Post #256. And for clarification, I found it all by myself. I'm observant like that. In case you missed my vote back here (http://idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=poll&thread=2047&post=98714) or the formatting snafu was critical, Vote KidV[/color]
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Post by sinjin on Sept 30, 2012 20:51:23 GMT -5
bleachedI suspect he felt like he had put a target on his back by all that fuss. This. It's nothing but WIFOM, guys - any killers that didn't want that investigation to happen were forced to choose between sending a kill order my way and possibly waste it if I protected, OR kill somebody else and hope somebody else kills me or I'm blocked or whatever. I didn't protect to save my bacon as much as I protected because it might have intercepted a kill order. This kneejerk VOTE HIM reaction is very interesting - were you two that starved for a reason to vote somebody? I gave you the benefit of the doubt yesterDay. You were here earlier toDay and did not give us any information about what you learned from the merc. Now close to end of Day toDay you say, sorry, used the power to save my ass. And now you want us to give you the benefit of the doubt again. I don't think so.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 30, 2012 20:53:23 GMT -5
This. It's nothing but WIFOM, guys - any killers that didn't want that investigation to happen were forced to choose between sending a kill order my way and possibly waste it if I protected, OR kill somebody else and hope somebody else kills me or I'm blocked or whatever. I didn't protect to save my bacon as much as I protected because it might have intercepted a kill order. This kneejerk VOTE HIM reaction is very interesting - were you two that starved for a reason to vote somebody? Umm...I have no vote on you. Right. I was saying, your statement is correct, I knew I had a target on my back.
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Post by crys on Sept 30, 2012 21:57:20 GMT -5
Pizza sometimes plays by his own set- he may have been testing the rule- OR it's another science experiment - as mentioned above also some games he plays the rules are different so it could be a cross culture thing On every single other forum I play on, editing posts for grammar and spelling, nobody cares about. I continue to fail to see what it has to do with mafia, and old habits die very hard. I am too anxious to post, and I am a chronic editor. Ok I could see why that would be the case. I always preview my posts so I can see where grammar/spelling issues have occurred. Unvote: askthepizzaguy
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Post by crys on Sept 30, 2012 22:01:34 GMT -5
This. It's nothing but WIFOM, guys - any killers that didn't want that investigation to happen were forced to choose between sending a kill order my way and possibly waste it if I protected, OR kill somebody else and hope somebody else kills me or I'm blocked or whatever. I didn't protect to save my bacon as much as I protected because it might have intercepted a kill order. This kneejerk VOTE HIM reaction is very interesting - were you two that starved for a reason to vote somebody? I gave you the benefit of the doubt yesterDay. You were here earlier toDay and did not give us any information about what you learned from the merc. Now close to end of Day toDay you say, sorry, used the power to save my ass. And now you want us to give you the benefit of the doubt again. I don't think so. Many of us gave you the benefit of the doubt yesterday because you weren't going to kill anyone and use the information gained to the good of town. I find this extremely suspect. Vote: KidvI was going to vote for you yesterday, but I didn't because you said you were gonna share information you received by using the merc.
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Post by crys on Sept 30, 2012 22:03:12 GMT -5
Ok, color me stupid, but this is the weirdest mafia game I've ever played. I know meeko has suggested a no scum game that everyone is ignoring, kind of like I slide by a lot of meeko posts (bygones guy) but I'm kind of wondering if this really is no scum game. Gah, I can't believe I said that. But it kind of seems that there is no push for any lynch...does that make sense? Like all of us are clueless. I almost feel like this is town/third party hostile/third party non-hostile. And it's up to town/third party non-hostile to discern who's hostile? Does that make any sense? Or are scum just hanging back and letting what will be will be? I don't know if this is a no scum game, but I suppose it could be possible. Unfortunately only time will tell on this one.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 30, 2012 22:15:01 GMT -5
I think it's way too early to be calling this a no-scum game. We've had one lynch and one NK (which, assuming standard practices one would not expect to be a mafiate) and that's far too little data to draw any conclusions.
I don't like pleo, atpg, nor kidv being at the top of the lynch list and since nothing has really moved me re votes since Day 1, Vote: vote colby
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 1, 2012 0:06:38 GMT -5
To reply to Guiri I wanted to only put down 6 votes last night as my bid because I felt that 6 votes was extremely risky, to be honest, and I felt that investigating someone would be my best option.
I understand Patricia voting again for me, but Inner I don't agree.
@bill- I am not playing in any way like Marathon. While I have been quiet, it has been because I would rather not try to repeat what everyone has said, and only speak when necessary. I also have not been leading a lynch, which is what I did for most of the last days of Marathon ( minus the last day)
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