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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 1, 2012 0:45:13 GMT -5
So what was all that about then KidV? Why even bother to bid on the merc in the 1st place? I don't get it. You put in a high bid and then panic because you might get lynched, you promise to use the merc for the good of Town and then you go and self protect. It looks very much as if you are playing a me, me, me game and that sounds like you could be really dangerous.
Vote KidV
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 3:47:02 GMT -5
Making a prediction:
KidV is townie. Really did protect himself, probably wagered that when he got those powers instead of the mafia letting him investigate, they would target him for death so he self-protected instead.
Now, looking at this from the he's guilty angle, why didn't he claim to have investigated someone and faked a result? That would keep him alive for a minimum of one round. Longer than today.
Again, I do not agree with what this group finds scummy or indicative of guilt. To me, it seems, you're finding it less likely that a townie would grab the self-protect after risking so much (his life) to gain investigatory powers. But I don't think you're factoring in the fact that as he was outed that he had that power, any investigation he used would be worthless, if he got attacked.
So, I don't think you're thinking it through. I don't agree he's guilty, I don't think his behavior demonstrates an actual scum strategy, because if it were a strategy, he'd probably be lying about an investigation result right now, instead of claiming the self-protect.
But even if he didn't, and was mafia, and claimed the self-protect, I still don't see why he, as mafia, would risk so much to gain that power in the first place. He doesn't need the self-protect so badly if he's mafia, because he knows at least one faction aint gonna be targeting him, and he doesn't really need the investigation either.
So, what is his gambit?
If he's scum, why did he risk so much to gain use of the merc?
Follow that through to its logical conclusion, and then I will demand that you rethink your votes on KidV.
And if you still think the same way, well..... we're about to find out.
Pizza says the smart money is on non-hostile, likely townie. And I am willing to wager a lot on that.
I'd wager 12 votes on the next merc. That's how confident I am on this wager. I'd risk a lot, I really think you folks are wrong.
However, I want to see. Go ahead.... let's see how he flips. If I can't convince you, then we shall see which of us has better command of the Force.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 3:50:35 GMT -5
Bottom line, quick summary:
You're voting for behavior you don't understand, not scummy behavior. That's not wise.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 4:01:45 GMT -5
Probably should clarify: I have no investigation results or otherwise. This is gut/logic.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 4:05:31 GMT -5
I was voting for him prior to his claim of using the Merc to protect and I can't really speak for anyone else. I don't have strong feelings about what he said he did with the Merc, but I appreciate the data point.
If KidV can be believed, perhaps the scum did try to kill him last Night and failed, hence no Scum kill and Peeker was killed by some other My case against him is pretty circumstantial, so giving him the benefit of doubt due to circumstantial evidence (Peeker being an unlikely Scum kill target) isn't that much of a stretch. The problem is, I have fuck all anywhere else to put my vote with any amount of confidence or hunch.
Which may be getting to the heart of what Sinjin was getting at in wanting to partake of the 'there is no spoon scum'
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 4:10:53 GMT -5
grrr Which may be getting to the heart of what Sinjin was getting at in wanting to partake of the 'there is no spoon scum' koolaid. What are you thoughts on the idea of there being no traditional Scum faction in the game, Pizza? And stop using words like 'demand'. You'll send Meeko into that Quixotian blitzkrieg mode you referred to earlier.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 4:41:44 GMT -5
Meanwhile, though, the following is for pizzaguy, in light of his "peeing blue" remark: PIZZAGUY: Do you have any kind of post restriction? If you do and are not permitted to answer this question, simply acknowledge the existence of but do no respond to this message. I will interpret lack of response as agreement that you have a post restriction. If you do not, please state that you do not as clearly as possible. I am probably contradicting myself here, but after double checking, apparently I'm not *required* to post anything insane. So all that lovely roleplaying at the start won't be repeated, as its distracting. If Pizza is indeed trying to soft-claim as some Third Party Speculator, then I'll consider drinking the koolaid too. Nope, I'm true blue townie, and apparently my role is a bit different from whatever other game. I'm definitely not an android. Yes! You are absolutely correct. You cannot trust me to pick up subtlety. Sometimes I might pick up on it, but if you are trusting me to do so, you will be disappointed. This game is a confusing cluster and I don't expect subtle hints to be picked up on. I am NOT reading for any, so you'll have to hit me over the head with it if someone wanted to breadcrumb. I don't think less of anyone's intelligence here, being obvious about the breadcrumbing is for the benefit of people who only want to read this thread once. Maybe twice to refer to something already stated, maximum.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 4:44:51 GMT -5
grrr Which may be getting to the heart of what Sinjin was getting at in wanting to partake of the 'there is no spoon scum' koolaid. What are you thoughts on the idea of there being no traditional Scum faction in the game, Pizza? It's possible, however the role would then fall to the various hostile third parties. The name "third party" only holds meaning when there's a second party, i.e. mafia. Absent mafia, third party becomes second party when the win conditions are hostile and exclusive to one another. I.e. town is scum to those, and those are scum to town. It's just semantics at that point. We know there are hostile parties or the game would have ended already due to town's win condition being achieved. So, whoever they are become mafia in the absence of mafia, even if they do/do not know each other. Also, I've tried to reach out to Meeko, if he wants to beat me up about my terminology thats his prerogative. I have better things to do than worry about it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 4:52:48 GMT -5
I was just joking re the wording thing.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 5:20:04 GMT -5
The problem is, I have fuck all anywhere else to put my vote with any amount of confidence or hunch. Okay this is something I can sink my teeth into. Yeah, I'm having the same problem right now. Here's the thing: I do have a group of folks I'm leaning townie on, based on their actions. If I can't picture them as being scum and doing X, then I won't vote for them. I am not strongly advocating anyone's death. In this situation, I'm doing the opposite. I think your worst lynches are here, here, and here (refers to my previous post saying lynch anyone but these guys- pleo, kidv, cookies, me, etc) That's the best I got with so little data. And that's what I think the rest of you should be doing. Somewhere in that group of names, where you're drawing a blank, scum are hiding. And they're having an easy time of it because so many folks aren't saying much, or not saying much that risks anything or "makes a play" so the scum won't be forced to commit an error. You're looking for scum errors. The scum aren't making any. So, look for townies.Don't vote for them, aim into the sea of unknowns until we have better aim. Trust your townie leans here. That's my advice to all. You know there's nothing really scummy going on. So don't look just for scum. Look for townie behavior.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 5:40:12 GMT -5
To continue my star wars analogy.
You're trying to use the Force to find the Sith Lord. In other words, you have no data, you're trying to find little tremors in the Force that say "dark side".
Okay, that's fine. It's all you got right now, yes?
Well here's the thing. You know Obi-Wan Kenobi isn't the Sith Lord because he was caught in that nest of Gundarks. And I saved him, remember? Etc
That's one suspected Sith Lord down. You know it isn't he, because Palpatine was commanding the Seperatists at the time. Plus he wouldn't be wasting time hanging around in a nest of Gundarks if he was a Sith Lord with better things to do, waitin' for Anakin to come save him.
Alright, so I don't suspect KidV is the Sith Lord.
What about Pleonast?
He comes out and right away shouts "IM NOT A JEDI, IM NOT A JEDI, I'm a bounty hunter named Jango Fett".
All the green and blue sabres come out, and he nearly dies because people don't like non-Jedi.
This is how Palpatine hides himself?
"Hi Jedi, I'm not one of you. GUESS WHO I REALLY AM.... tee hee!"
That's not a Sith Lord. That's a neutral, yes. If you're hunting Palpatine, you don't lynch the Pleo. Capice?
Alright, now Cookies. Cookies is present and acting far more rationally than many of yall, in my humble opinion. That's less conclusive but it yields a bit of benefit of the doubt, for now, from me.
Cookies is like the Senator Amidala of our little mafia saga right now. Might be voting the wrong way, IMO, but that's what Senators do sometimes.
I don't sense the dark side from her.
More to the point, when I do sense something odd, like say from Meeko, do I turn around and go Oh, that's Scum!
No, because Meeko is not apparently engaged in a strategy that will yield him greater influence or survival. His attack everything strategy feels more like one of those Federation battle droids that the Jedis hack through so easily. It's not hiding a dark, evil presence. Just a slightly dangerous one. Maybe useful, if used correctly, but probably not Palpatine.
Who is Palpatine? Who is Count Dooku?
well, they're the ones blending in, making little waves, playing the political game, and definitely not standing out and making huge errors. That's how the Sith blend right in and lead us to our deaths right beneath our noses.
They're hiding amongst a bunch of other slightly scummy but happen to be innocent Senators, you see.
The mafia you seek aren't making mistakes. Their dark side is not easy to spot.
It takes a lot of hard work, deduction, and a game-long campaign to find them. I do not believe KidV is such a poor player that he makes these sorts of self-destructive moves as scum. And they're not self-destructive, they're smart... if, say, people didn't find him odd for it. But they do. But that's their fault, not his.
Your scum are acting like the perfect well behaved, normal looking people right now.
The people who stick out are townies with personality.
Right now, the Sith are blending right in with the crowd. It's the smartest, proven strategy.
You can't just look for the guy with the glowing amber eyes and the weird blaster weapon or the alien with three heads. Not in this game especially. I have a weird role and I'm townie.
You want to find scum? You might have to find a bunch of townies first.
And I say that to break through the fog of confusion, sometimes townies have to stand up and call each other townies.
You guys call it snuggling, here. I'm afraid that denies you a key townie strategy: Sometimes we tear each other down looking for scum, and die in our divisiveness and paranoia.
You know a leap of faith, and a temporary benefit of the doubt, goes a long way toward townies behaving more intelligently and like a team, and less like a pack of frightened wolves eating each other.
I say you absorb the oddness here and there, and even some folks like Pleonast who don't even claim to be townie at all.
Instead, look for the cunning, the hidden, the most likely to actually be trying to survive this game and avoid getting voted for... the people acting like everyone else who is considered "normal".
And if you need to kill me to see that this advice is coming from a townie, do it. You need to rely on each other's strengths, don't get caught in the paranoia and the hopelessness and the directionless.
I know the direction I'm heading might be wrong, but I also know I'll get there eventually, with your help.
You might even steer me the right way. We can do that, together.
In the meanwhile, I'm townie, and I'm betting the farm KidV is as well. Call it snuggling, so be it. Call me on it if you wish. I do not fear death, I fear a divided and lost town.
Let's work together and get our act together, fellas and gals.
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Post by lauriern on Oct 1, 2012 6:41:15 GMT -5
Ugh! Pizza, I have the hardest time figuring you out! Your play definitely seems Town, although I still hate the random voting. Pleo is the only one I am even minutely "sure" of. Hence, he was my only vote in Day 1. I'm going to do the same for Day2.
I just don't feel comfortable taking a shot in the dark. It has been very difficult getting a scum read on anyone. I have been wondering as well if there may not be any scum in this game or if they are just playing/hiding very well.
Soooooo,
Unvote: ATPG
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 1, 2012 7:23:03 GMT -5
Pizza, great job rallying the troops, but the problem is that from my perspective you aren't working together with us to defeat the scum/hostile 3rd parties. From my perspective you are playing a "me me" game. Everything you've done (action wise) seems so anti-town. It doesn't mean you are scum, but I'm leaning on a gut feeling that you are doing doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 1, 2012 7:31:44 GMT -5
That should say:
"I'm leaning on a gut feeling that WHAT you are doing doesn't sit well with me."
Sorry, kiddos were distracting me.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 1, 2012 8:18:04 GMT -5
I think PizzaGuy makes a lot of sense.
I particularly agree with his assessment of KidV. I believe it is far more likely that KidV has done more than anyone else to advance Town's agenda than it is that he is Scum.
He won the services of the Merc at what turned out to be great risk, and so prevented Scum from getting them, and then he (it would seem) drew the Scum shot and by self protecting prevented (it would seem) a Town from dying last night.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 1, 2012 8:39:54 GMT -5
Pizza, great job rallying the troops, but the problem is that from my perspective you aren't working together with us to defeat the scum/hostile 3rd parties. From my perspective you are playing a "me me" game. Everything you've done (action wise) seems so anti-town. It doesn't mean you are scum, but I'm leaning on a gut feeling that you are doing doesn't sit well with me. This may sound backwards, but trust me. Just because a player is taking what you think of as anti-Town actions, that does not mean the player is not a Townie. The player might have formed a different opinion of the gamestate than you have (because they don't have the same information as you), and the action they are taking appears to them to be pro-Town while to you it is anti-Town. You'll be far more productive looking for anti-Town motivations - ie, if you think ATPG is deceiving the Town, how does he move towards his particular non-Town wincon by this announcement?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 1, 2012 9:54:07 GMT -5
To continue my star wars analogy. You're trying to use the Force to find the Sith Lord. In other words, you have no data, you're trying to find little tremors in the Force that say "dark side". Okay, that's fine. It's all you got right now, yes? Well here's the thing. You know Obi-Wan Kenobi isn't the Sith Lord because he was caught in that nest of Gundarks. And I saved him, remember? Etc That's one suspected Sith Lord down. You know it isn't he, because Palpatine was commanding the Seperatists at the time. Plus he wouldn't be wasting time hanging around in a nest of Gundarks if he was a Sith Lord with better things to do, waitin' for Anakin to come save him. Alright, so I don't suspect KidV is the Sith Lord. What about Pleonast? He comes out and right away shouts "IM NOT A JEDI, IM NOT A JEDI, I'm a bounty hunter named Jango Fett". All the green and blue sabres come out, and he nearly dies because people don't like non-Jedi. This is how Palpatine hides himself? "Hi Jedi, I'm not one of you. GUESS WHO I REALLY AM.... tee hee!" That's not a Sith Lord. That's a neutral, yes. If you're hunting Palpatine, you don't lynch the Pleo. Capice? Alright, now Cookies. Cookies is present and acting far more rationally than many of yall, in my humble opinion. That's less conclusive but it yields a bit of benefit of the doubt, for now, from me. Cookies is like the Senator Amidala of our little mafia saga right now. Might be voting the wrong way, IMO, but that's what Senators do sometimes. I don't sense the dark side from her. More to the point, when I do sense something odd, like say from Meeko, do I turn around and go Oh, that's Scum! No, because Meeko is not apparently engaged in a strategy that will yield him greater influence or survival. His attack everything strategy feels more like one of those Federation battle droids that the Jedis hack through so easily. It's not hiding a dark, evil presence. Just a slightly dangerous one. Maybe useful, if used correctly, but probably not Palpatine. Who is Palpatine? Who is Count Dooku? well, they're the ones blending in, making little waves, playing the political game, and definitely not standing out and making huge errors. That's how the Sith blend right in and lead us to our deaths right beneath our noses. They're hiding amongst a bunch of other slightly scummy but happen to be innocent Senators, you see. The mafia you seek aren't making mistakes. Their dark side is not easy to spot. It takes a lot of hard work, deduction, and a game-long campaign to find them. I do not believe KidV is such a poor player that he makes these sorts of self-destructive moves as scum. And they're not self-destructive, they're smart... if, say, people didn't find him odd for it. But they do. But that's their fault, not his. Your scum are acting like the perfect well behaved, normal looking people right now. The people who stick out are townies with personality. Right now, the Sith are blending right in with the crowd. It's the smartest, proven strategy. You can't just look for the guy with the glowing amber eyes and the weird blaster weapon or the alien with three heads. Not in this game especially. I have a weird role and I'm townie. You want to find scum? You might have to find a bunch of townies first. And I say that to break through the fog of confusion, sometimes townies have to stand up and call each other townies. You guys call it snuggling, here. I'm afraid that denies you a key townie strategy: Sometimes we tear each other down looking for scum, and die in our divisiveness and paranoia. You know a leap of faith, and a temporary benefit of the doubt, goes a long way toward townies behaving more intelligently and like a team, and less like a pack of frightened wolves eating each other. I say you absorb the oddness here and there, and even some folks like Pleonast who don't even claim to be townie at all. Instead, look for the cunning, the hidden, the most likely to actually be trying to survive this game and avoid getting voted for... the people acting like everyone else who is considered "normal". And if you need to kill me to see that this advice is coming from a townie, do it. You need to rely on each other's strengths, don't get caught in the paranoia and the hopelessness and the directionless. I know the direction I'm heading might be wrong, but I also know I'll get there eventually, with your help. You might even steer me the right way. We can do that, together. In the meanwhile, I'm townie, and I'm betting the farm KidV is as well. Call it snuggling, so be it. Call me on it if you wish. I do not fear death, I fear a divided and lost town. Let's work together and get our act together, fellas and gals. Talk about FORCEing the issue.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 1, 2012 10:15:01 GMT -5
Also, I've tried to reach out to Meeko, if he wants to beat me up about my terminology thats his prerogative. I have better things to do than worry about it. To be clear, the only issue you have is with my hunch that we have no scum? I'm not questioning your gut feeling. I don't see why you question mine. I removed my vote on you. I get what you are trying to say. Even if I wanted to "beat you up" about it, and I don't. You asked me, in so many words, to sit back and have things come to me, to sit back and watch. I have to remember that you are not Pleonast. You ask for benefit of the doubt. I don't recall you lying your ass off, so I don't see why I can't give you what you ask for.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 1, 2012 10:25:01 GMT -5
Is it asking for further information to ask for an explanation of what it means for a role to "complement" the Town Vig? And how (or why?) would this "complement" allow the Town Vig to be less hesitant to fire at will? I'd guess yes, since i haven't seen ATPG respond. The biggest risk a Town-aligned Vig poses to their team is that they kill someone with a vital bit of information without warning, meaning that the information is lost to Town. If the hypothetical complementary role exists, it may operate by either preventing a Vig action from killing a Townie, or (much more likely) enable the role-holder to discover what a dead Townie had done and what results they obtain. Or maybe Pollux has come up with another possibility.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 1, 2012 10:30:45 GMT -5
I've just read the last 3 days' worth of posts in the past hour or so, and haven't had time to fully digest everything yet, but here are my up-to-the-minute thoughts on the lynch leaders
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 1, 2012 10:33:12 GMT -5
OK...apparently I hit 'Submit' somewhere along the line there...so let's try again, this time with content: Pleonast - Nothing has changed since yesterDay. He remains to me a good "don't have a better target" candidate. I don't trust anything he has to say at this point, but I don't have any particular reason to distrust him either. Meeko - He's at least as paranoid as ever, but that's a null tell. He hasn't done anything that makes me see him as likely Scum. askthepizzaguy - He's clearly 'up to something', but he hasn't done anything that seems overly Scummy. He is 'magic bagging', but as much as I dislike that tactic I must admit it's not a good reason for a lynch. KidVermicious - He placed an insanely high bid for the Mercenary on Night 1. He revealed his bid and asked us to save his life. I don't see where he promised to make an Investigation last Night, so I'm not quite sure why some people are so upset that he didn't do so. I think his actions are consistent with someone who's trying to save his own skin; this may not be 'optimal Town play' in this case, but I don't think it's Scummy. Colby11 - This post is bugging me: Quick thoughts real quick- I am running on fumes, but I know that we have roughly 30 hours til EOD. I still find it very suspicious that not a lot of people have voted... I will reread everyone later, have to get up in roughly 8 hours. I don't buy Pleonast's claim at all, but I know that he is not in danger, at least not yet. I bid 6 voted for the Mercenary last night, but I did not receive his or her services. So, either we are about to have votes piled on, or whoever has the mercenary will be killed. Colby is basically telling us here that we better pick one target and pile on, or else we risk having 'our choice' overruled. I'm not sure how I feel about that yet: I don't know what sort of motivations to ascribe to it. More in a bit, after I ponder a few things more carefully.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 1, 2012 11:11:13 GMT -5
But even if he didn't, and was mafia, and claimed the self-protect, I still don't see why he, as mafia, would risk so much to gain that power in the first place. He doesn't need the self-protect so badly if he's mafia, because he knows at least one faction aint gonna be targeting him, and he doesn't really need the investigation either. The only thought I had was that he used the kill and is simply claiming that he protected himself because it's the best cover of the roles he listed. But I'm tending to think he's town right now.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 1, 2012 11:40:24 GMT -5
Meeko - He's at least as paranoid as ever, but that's a null tell. He hasn't done anything that makes me see him as likely. Thanks?!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 11:48:58 GMT -5
All sage and wise advice from Pizza, but nothing that hasn't already been said in this game before now, except for the part where we should be voting for Townie behavior part, considering you are defending KidV because his actions have been so darn Townie.
I'll also pick the nit that there is no hivemind concept of what is 'scummy' or 'townie' or else I wouldn't be pulling so much of my hair out at all of the questionable logic going into people's justifications of their suspicions.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 1, 2012 12:05:44 GMT -5
So what was all that about then KidV? Why even bother to bid on the merc in the 1st place? I don't get it. You put in a high bid and then panic because you might get lynched, you promise to use the merc for the good of Town and then you go and self protect. It looks very much as if you are playing a me, me, me game and that sounds like you could be really dangerous. I've already said exactly what "that" was all about. Are you having trouble keeping up, or is this a little bit of grandstanding to make you seem townier? If you're confused, ask me questions and wait for the answer before voting me. If you just want to jump on an easy bandwagon, spare us the soap box. ***************************************** Those of you that have placed votes on me since I revealed that I self-protected, could you explain exactly what it is that you think I did that's so Anti-Town? I knew I had a target on my back, I had to choose between investigating and maybe being killed, or protecting and maybe wasting a chance to investigate. I chose. Are you all seriously saying that you'd have done something different?
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 1, 2012 12:11:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure what's going on with Pizza. I don't know if this is a really elaborate snuggle or what, because I don't feel like I'm playing any differently than I have in the past and he historically gets mad scum vibes off me.
I feel the need to distance myself from him. I'm not going to vote for him, because I'm getting a strong Town vibe from him - I think he's right that too many voters are knee-jerking violently and not thinking their votes through, I think he's wrong that Pleo's play hasn't been anti-Town, but overall I think I'm seeing a player with a vested interest in seeing Town win. I'm just not sure what to make of his crusade on my behalf. I am bemused.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 1, 2012 12:13:31 GMT -5
Colby11 - This post is bugging me: Sept 29, 2012, 11:51pm, Colby11 wrote:<TABLE class=quote cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD width="100%">Quick thoughts real quick- I am running on fumes, but I know that we have roughly 30 hours til EOD. I still find it very suspicious that not a lot of people have voted... I will reread everyone later, have to get up in roughly 8 hours. I don't buy Pleonast's claim at all, but I know that he is not in danger, at least not yet. I bid 6 voted for the Mercenary last night, but I did not receive his or her services. So, either we are about to have votes piled on, or whoever has the mercenary will be killed.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Colby is basically telling us here that we better pick one target and pile on, or else we risk having 'our choice' overruled. I'm not sure how I feel about that yet: I don't know what sort of motivations to ascribe to it. More in a bit, after I ponder a few things more carefully. Burby, I'm not sure I read what you're reading here -- it seems to me that Colby is alerting us that the person who hired the merc bid more than six votes last night, and that he's concerned about how that will influence the final vote count and lynch target. Which isn't an illegitimate concern -- if we all think Pleo is the Scummiest, for example, and KidV is trailing but bid enough votes for the merc to overrule all those voting Pleo, then KidV dies and we're left with a theoretically Scummy Pleo up and around and able to act overNight. So colby's right that the merc and the bidding for votes on same is a variable we need to consider. But I'm not sure I see him saying we need to "pile on", either?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 1, 2012 12:16:46 GMT -5
Okay, seriously. I only deleted the "size" tag so that wouldn't be in eeny-weeny eyestrain-o-vision.
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Post by crys on Oct 1, 2012 12:37:12 GMT -5
So what was all that about then KidV? Why even bother to bid on the merc in the 1st place? I don't get it. You put in a high bid and then panic because you might get lynched, you promise to use the merc for the good of Town and then you go and self protect. It looks very much as if you are playing a me, me, me game and that sounds like you could be really dangerous. I've already said exactly what "that" was all about. Are you having trouble keeping up, or is this a little bit of grandstanding to make you seem townier? If you're confused, ask me questions and wait for the answer before voting me. If you just want to jump on an easy bandwagon, spare us the soap box. ***************************************** Those of you that have placed votes on me since I revealed that I self-protected, could you explain exactly what it is that you think I did that's so Anti-Town? I knew I had a target on my back, I had to choose between investigating and maybe being killed, or protecting and maybe wasting a chance to investigate. I chose. Are you all seriously saying that you'd have done something different? Yes I wouldnt have bid 12 votes in the first place Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 1, 2012 12:40:12 GMT -5
<snip> Yes I wouldnt have bid 12 votes in the first place <snip> How is bidding 12 votes anti-Town?
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