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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 12:51:51 GMT -5
I don't know about anti-town but it sets a bar for consensus on a lynch candidate that otherwise wouldn't be there, making it more difficult for us to herd all of the paranoid kittens to a critical mass. The higher the bid, the higher the bar if we don't want the bid-winner to be the one with the stretched neck.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 1, 2012 12:55:38 GMT -5
Suburban Plankton writes I read it different. I read Colby as saying who ever got the Merc will have the extra votes ‘pilled on’ EOD. Ergo unless someone comes forward –ala- Kid V- to ask for help to sway the correct number of votes- We will lose that player instead of our vote leader Unless I miss-read
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 12:56:00 GMT -5
I'm putting my 2nd vote down for Ginger, though that seems like pissing in the wind.
Vote Ginger[/color]
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 1, 2012 12:56:34 GMT -5
NETA I see I'm a page behind
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 1, 2012 13:00:41 GMT -5
I am not saying to pile on one person, I am just stating two facts that I know
1. I bid 6 votes for the mercenary.
2. I did not receive his services
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 1, 2012 13:01:38 GMT -5
I'm putting my 2nd vote down for Ginger, though that seems like pissing in the wind. Vote Ginger[/color][/quote] I am honesty debating whether to get rid of her too. The longer this game goes, the more problems she presents because she isn't here or is inactive |
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 1, 2012 13:13:26 GMT -5
SORRY SORRY SORRY, I forgot I even signed up. I will play!!!!! SORRY going now and catching up. Lightfoot just gave me a swift kick in the rear, thanks Lightfoot
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 1, 2012 13:22:03 GMT -5
I am reading on the Mercenary... Not sure I fully understand that... Give me time to catch up on Day 1 and now Day 2.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 1, 2012 13:23:49 GMT -5
So what was all that about then KidV? Why even bother to bid on the merc in the 1st place? I don't get it. You put in a high bid and then panic because you might get lynched, you promise to use the merc for the good of Town and then you go and self protect. It looks very much as if you are playing a me, me, me game and that sounds like you could be really dangerous. I've already said exactly what "that" was all about. Are you having trouble keeping up, or is this a little bit of grandstanding to make you seem townier? If you're confused, ask me questions and wait for the answer before voting me. If you just want to jump on an easy bandwagon, spare us the soap box. ***************************************** Those of you that have placed votes on me since I revealed that I self-protected, could you explain exactly what it is that you think I did that's so Anti-Town? I knew I had a target on my back, I had to choose between investigating and maybe being killed, or protecting and maybe wasting a chance to investigate. I chose. Are you all seriously saying that you'd have done something different?  Yes, of course I did something different, I didn't place 12 votes for the merc and then beg players to save me and then waste an investigation. If you aren't scum then I think there is a strong possibility that you are a hostile 3rd party and maybe staying alive is part of your wincon. |
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Post by BillMc on Oct 1, 2012 13:25:46 GMT -5
Colby11 - This post is bugging me: Quick thoughts real quick- I am running on fumes, but I know that we have roughly 30 hours til EOD. I still find it very suspicious that not a lot of people have voted... I will reread everyone later, have to get up in roughly 8 hours. I don't buy Pleonast's claim at all, but I know that he is not in danger, at least not yet. I bid 6 voted for the Mercenary last night, but I did not receive his or her services. So, either we are about to have votes piled on, or whoever has the mercenary will be killed. Colby is basically telling us here that we better pick one target and pile on, or else we risk having 'our choice' overruled. I'm not sure how I feel about that yet: I don't know what sort of motivations to ascribe to it. More in a bit, after I ponder a few things more carefully. Given the heat KidV got around using the Merc, it's probably fair to say that folk are unlikely to come forward and say they won. I could read Colby's post as: - Colby voted 6 - So the winner must have voted at least 7 - so for the lynch to succeed and the merc winner not to be lynched, there needs to be at least 8 votes on the lynchee I could also read it as: - Colby voted 6 or 7, won vote, and is currently in the noose I'm putting my 2nd vote down for Ginger, though that seems like pissing in the wind. Vote Ginger[/color][/quote] I am honesty debating whether to get rid of her too. The longer this game goes, the more problems she presents because she isn't here or is inactive[/quote] Really? we have a lack of information, and you consider her a problem? that lynch the lurker will provide the town with useful information? |
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 13:42:02 GMT -5
Unvote Ginger[/color] You get a whole cooler of Gatorade and a plate of cookies. Welcome to the game. 
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 1, 2012 14:10:44 GMT -5
Regarding Colby...
When I first read his post, it came across in my head as something like this:
"It doesn't matter who's in the lead at the moment, because somebody is going to get 7 (or more) votes dumped on them at Dusk...so we need to pick a target and make sure they have a big lead, so that we can be sure that the 'popular choice' gets lynched"...which I condensed down to "we need to pile on" in my comment.
Of course, I can't really figure out a Scum motivation for making such a statement. I can find a Town motivation: namely, to alert us that someone is going to get 7 (or more) votes placed on them at Dusk, quite possibly changing Today's lynchee.
It was something that bugged me at the time, but after giving it more thought I'm not as concerned with it as I was initially.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 1, 2012 14:24:07 GMT -5
Updated Day 2 Vote Count
Pleonast (6 votes) - Meeko, KidVermicious, Colby11, LaurieRN, Lightfoot, Parzival
KidVermicious (5 votes) - sinjin, patricia, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, crys, SilverJan
Meeko (3 votes) - SisterCoyote, Pleonast, crys
Colby11 (3 votes) - BillMc, patricia, Inner Stickler
Askthepizzaguy (2 votes) - Penalty Vote, dizzymrslizzy
Richbeckman (2 votes) - guiri, wombat99
JustBeingGinger (2 votes) - Penalty Vote, Parzival
Inner Stickler (1 vote) - dizzymrslizzy
Lightfoot (1 vote) - guiri
Crys (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy
BillMc (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy
guiri (1 vote) - Lightfoot
With these votes, Pleonast will be lynched.
Day ends in ~21.5 hours.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 1, 2012 14:46:40 GMT -5
SORRY SORRY SORRY, I forgot I even signed up. I will play!!!!! SORRY going now and catching up. Lightfoot just gave me a swift kick in the rear, thanks Lightfootfor the record I posted In public in the LPP group on FaceBook |
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 1, 2012 14:53:32 GMT -5
Yes, of course I did something different, I didn't place 12 votes for the merc and then beg players to save me and then waste an investigation. If you aren't scum then I think there is a strong possibility that you are a hostile 3rd party and maybe staying alive is part of your wincon. You're having trouble reading for comprehension, I guess. You voted me after I revealed that I protected. I asked: "Those of you that have placed votes on me since I revealed that I self-protected, could you explain exactly what it is that you think I did that's so Anti-Town? I knew I had a target on my back, I had to choose between investigating and maybe being killed, or protecting and maybe wasting a chance to investigate. I chose. Are you all seriously saying that you'd have done something different?" In other words, put yourself in the position of being able to investigate or protect, but knowing that everybody knows you have those two options, and then tell me that my choice was anti-Town. That IS why you waited until after my reveal to vote me, right? Or was there another reason you waited all Day?  |
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 1, 2012 15:05:19 GMT -5
Vote: Vote Meeko
in what will probably be a vain attempt to get someone else ahead of pleo and kidv.
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Post by guiri on Oct 1, 2012 15:20:32 GMT -5
In your light it does make some sense- I'll think some more about it You're still voting Pleo, presumably no longer for withholding info, right? Some players have had meat in their sandwiches and you pull out the pickle to comment on. I'm hungry, could you point me to the meat? Thank you Wombat, I was trying to articulate this but was struggling with the wording. Dizzy, do you agree that richbeckman is suspicious due to the change in his approach to the game? Okay I just thought of something else. According to the vote count Pleo will be lynched, but um Who made the bid for the Merc last night. Didn't someone (I forget) already say they bid 6 for today and lost.....So the winning person has at least 7 votes on them and will be lynched instead?!? Yes, there are less than 24 hours remaining in the Day and the lynch leader is a complete unknown. If no-one gains more than 7 (or 8, or possibly more) votes, whoever won the merc is going to have to claim, ask for mercy, hope someone else gets more votes, and then, since they've drawn a major target on their back, either self-protect toNight or risk using a different power. [...]I'm kind of wondering if this really is no scum game. Gah, I can't believe I said that. The rules seem to assume some sort of scum group(s): 5. Strategy talk during the Night is allowed should you so choose. The scum group(s) may or may not have Day talk abilities, depending on their particular group(s). I think PizzaGuy makes a lot of sense. I particularly agree with his assessment of KidV. I believe it is far more likely that KidV has done more than anyone else to advance Town's agenda than it is that he is Scum. He won the services of the Merc at what turned out to be great risk, and so prevented Scum from getting them, and then he (it would seem) drew the Scum shot and by self protecting prevented (it would seem) a Town from dying last night. Hi there! While I agree that KidV is more likely Town than not, your reasoning here is circular: KidV is likely Town because he's advanced the town wincon because he prevented scum from getting the merc and drew the scum shot and prevented a townie being killed. I've just read the last 3 days' worth of posts in the past hour or so, and haven't had time to fully digest everything yet, but here are my up-to-the-minute thoughts on the lynch leaders I thought you were making a statement with this post. All sage and wise advice from Pizza, but nothing that hasn't already been said in this game before now, except for the part where we should be voting for Townie behavior part, considering you are defending KidV because his actions have been so darn Townie. Actually he's not advocating voting townie behavior, he's saying that if you can't find scum, try to find town and then lynch from the rest. |
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 1, 2012 15:32:23 GMT -5
Just responding to the parts directed towards me. Dizzy, do you agree that richbeckman is suspicious due to the change in his approach to the game? Yesterday when I was posting I was reading most of the thread from my phone, and must have missed the fact that Wombat was getting the same read on Rich than you were. I wrongly thought that she was saying that the last game Rich was Scum and therefore a change in game play style isn't suspicious because we already saw his Scum card. That's where I'm coming from. Of course I've seen him change his approach to the game, and I think he's a good newbie, but at the same time I completely understand the overwhelmed feeling this particular game is giving to him, because I feel it too. If I was lost at the beginning of Marathon, I'm feeling blind and deaf today! [/quote] Yes that was the point I was trying to make, that if we did have a strong feeling of one player vs another (which we don't) than ancedotally we should make a more uniformed decision because our votes are basically meaningless if the vote count stays the way it is. It was an observation that I was making out loud. |
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 1, 2012 15:45:53 GMT -5
Actually he's not advocating voting townie behavior, he's saying that if you can't find scum, try to find town and then lynch from the rest. Yeah my paraphrase sucked, but I don't think this is what he's saying either. He seems to be saying to look for the 'townie' extroverts with panache making townie-seeming spectacles of themselves in some way, but I think that just finds you the people who play as extroverts with panache and make spectacles of themselves in some way, which is actually a null tell as to alignment. |
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 1, 2012 16:01:58 GMT -5
[/color] You get a whole cooler of Gatorade and a plate of cookies. Welcome to the game. [/quote] Can I get Rum and cake??? In am on page 8 of Day 1 and I have already had it with Pleo's claim... |
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 1, 2012 16:23:44 GMT -5
Actually he's not advocating voting townie behavior, he's saying that if you can't find scum, try to find town and then lynch from the rest. Yeah my paraphrase sucked, but I don't think this is what he's saying either. He seems to be saying to look for the 'townie' extroverts with panache making townie-seeming spectacles of themselves in some way, but I think that just finds you the people who play as extroverts with panache and make spectacles of themselves in some way, which is actually a null tell as to alignment. I saw it as being a restatement of the old "Townies are careless and Scum are calculating" canard. Townies aren't worried about hiding stuff so they react to things immediately and without overthinking it while scum tend to withhold and wait for group discussion sort of stuff. |
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 1, 2012 16:41:12 GMT -5
Where were the roles that are in the game posted?
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Post by guiri on Oct 1, 2012 16:44:16 GMT -5
Where were the roles that are in the game posted? They weren't. Pollux posted a list of roles which had been suggested but he'd made it clear that there was no guarantee that the roles would be in the game. |
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Post by guiri on Oct 1, 2012 16:44:44 GMT -5
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 1, 2012 16:48:28 GMT -5
Thanks!!!! I am trying to catch up with all this mess... |
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Post by guiri on Oct 1, 2012 16:53:02 GMT -5
Snips: So, I made a comment about something that I did not completely understand, a discussion was prompted that made it clear what I did not understand was innocuous. OK, maybe it's a difference in playstyle. Rather than asking wombat about her comment, rather than stating why you find it suspicious and whether or not it's vote-worthy, rather than showing interest in wanting to decide to be impressed or suspicious, you simply say: "I'm either very impressed or very suspicious that you (seemingly) so easily understood Guiri's toe stub comment." with no further comment? Just like you asking me about my post and my responding to you. And that's my point, you didn't ask about her post. When he made the post I was amused that he addressed the issue just as I had thought about it. So I took the few moments to do the calculations (worthwhile to confirm my impression) and post it. He'd just said that he was less verbose than normal and would be chattier at Night, you check the post count and notice it's true, great. Why post the % post count unless you were trying to make a point, however subtle, about the drastic change in volume and the possible implications of a player who lurks during the Day but is hyperactive at Night? Yes, I do want to find Scum. I would argue your laundry list of "suspicious" posts by me is largely made up of me trying to find Scum. Have I found any yet? No. No? |
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 17:51:42 GMT -5
RED FLAG:
I am not saying you must counterwagon Ginger, and this is unfortunately slightly meta, but I can't ignore the following:
Ginger arrived just when folks started questioning her worth as a player and began to vote her.
I cannot let that pass. That's not coincidental, folks.
I realize she credits Lightfoot for getting her back into the game, fair enough. This could be a townie with really bad timing.
But the history I have experienced suggests that this puts her at greater than 30% odds of being scum right now.
Given how many folks are in the game, and how few other leads there are, I am not going to let that pass without saying anything.
I would unvote and vote for Ginger today, for the record. And I'm sorry Ginger if you're townie and this would prevent you from really playing. Unfortunately scum do that wayyy too much and the timing was too convenient there for a red flag not to be raised.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 17:54:26 GMT -5
I'm putting my 2nd vote down for Ginger, though that seems like pissing in the wind. Vote GingerI'm putting my 2nd vote down for Ginger, though that seems like pissing in the wind. Vote Ginger
I am honesty debating whether to get rid of her too. The longer this game goes, the more problems she presents because she isn't here or is inactiveSORRY SORRY SORRY, I forgot I even signed up. I will play!!!!! SORRY going now and catching up. Lightfoot just gave me a swift kick in the rear, thanks Lightfoot12 minutes reaction time = reading the thread and intentionally lurking. Even if you don't lynch her today, never forget this for the duration of this game, and don't allow her to ultimately survive it. You can't. Not after that. |
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 17:58:29 GMT -5
Pizza, great job rallying the troops, but the problem is that from my perspective you aren't working together with us to defeat the scum/hostile 3rd parties. From my perspective you are playing a "me me" game. Everything you've done (action wise) seems so anti-town. It doesn't mean you are scum, but I'm leaning on a gut feeling that you are doing doesn't sit well with me. I have used my role to the best of my abilities to enhance the likelihood of the town vigilante, which I know exists, to kill only the correct parties. It's not a guarantee, only an increase in the odds. That's the best I can do with my limited role and knowledge. Further, I'm trying to convince you to not mislynch Pleo and KidV. That really is more than most folks are contributing to the game. I'm taking stands (which ultimately is much more risky play, and more interesting play frankly) and betting on folks' being town or scum and saying why. If this is anti-town behavior then, again, I question your standard of being anti-town. As I have for a while now. |
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 1, 2012 18:02:27 GMT -5
Also, I've tried to reach out to Meeko, if he wants to beat me up about my terminology thats his prerogative. I have better things to do than worry about it. To be clear, the only issue you have is with my hunch that we have no scum? I'm not questioning your gut feeling. I don't see why you question mine. I removed my vote on you. I get what you are trying to say. Even if I wanted to "beat you up" about it, and I don't. You asked me, in so many words, to sit back and have things come to me, to sit back and watch. I have to remember that you are not Pleonast. You ask for benefit of the doubt. I don't recall you lying your ass off, so I don't see why I can't give you what you ask for. Thank you. No actually I don't think it's likely that we have zero scum, and even so, it's only semantics since we do have hostile third parties, who are the same thing. Exactly the same, different name. My only real criticism of your play is that, you're being a bit ineffective in your aims primarily because you were... hmm how do I explain this without exaggerating or being unintentionally insulting. It's one of those pick your battles things. I love an aggressive player, I am myself one of those. But I also know if I go guns blazing nonstop, eventually I become ineffective because it's too much noise and not enough targeted accuracy. Don't for one minute believe I want you to stop being honest with your feelings, or stop being aggressive. An overly timid town needs you. Just try to pick and choose your targets, and don't pick at everyone's arguments at once. It hurts you in the sense of people won't follow your advice afterward. |
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