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Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2012 10:17:48 GMT -5
Pleonast has said many things. Taking the cake was his, Pleonast's , effort of you don't have to trust me, BUT , and he gives a laundry list he wants us to trust him on. Pizza then comes in over the top of this, and asserts that he has gotten messages and is also only revealing part of his information. He demands as much, if not more than Pleonast is demanding. And he is offering even less. And that means they should be lynched because...
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2012 10:17:53 GMT -5
@pleo: Why are you always so surprised that your Day1 "not town" claims draw so much attention? It's disingenuous at best.That's all I have to say to you and will refrain from interacting with you as I feel your play is anti-town at best, unless and until further evidence of your true designation is revealed. I'm not surprised that I draw attention. Players will jump on anything on Day One. I am surprised (or maybe disappointed) that there's such a push to lynch me based solely on the fact that I claimed. Or based on the assumption that I'm lying without any details about what I'm lying about. Or based on the notion that I'm being anti-town, when that's mostly a matter of opinion. All I'm asking for is to let the game develop. Rushing to lynch me will help only scum. I've given information about my role. That's a null tell. In the last Arkham game, town and non-hostile third-parties had ways to answer questions about third parties. Give players time to act. And independent of my designation, because I claimed early, we will all get to see the reactions of lurkers to the possibility of being lynched.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2012 10:33:59 GMT -5
Meeko:
How is pizza's play any different than guiri's toe stubbing or lizzy's report of a virus?
And I don't see him fishing. I see him assuming that if his information is true then there's probably a vig in the game. Why specify Town vig? Well, given the roles that have already been revealed, it's not out of the question that there might be a third-party vig, I suppose. Though we usually call those serial killers.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2012 11:02:17 GMT -5
Meeko: How is pizza's play any different than guiri's toe stubbing or lizzy's report of a virus? And I don't see him fishing. I see him assuming that if his information is true then there's probably a vig in the game. Why specify Town vig? Well, given the roles that have already been revealed, it's not out of the question that there might be a third-party vig, I suppose. Though we usually call those serial killers. Really? "I stubbed my toe" doesn't state it is hiding something.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2012 11:10:29 GMT -5
Pleonast has said many things. Taking the cake was his, Pleonast's , effort of you don't have to trust me, BUT , and he gives a laundry list he wants us to trust him on. Pizza then comes in over the top of this, and asserts that he has gotten messages and is also only revealing part of his information. He demands as much, if not more than Pleonast is demanding. And he is offering even less. And that means they should be lynched because... Unvote Pizza.I doubt that makes you feel any better Pleonast. But I'm not talking to you. Why? "...Reasons can come later, or not at all." If Pizza believes that, I guess I can get behind it as well.
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Post by crys on Sept 28, 2012 11:15:02 GMT -5
What's important is that I am aware there is definitely a vigilante working on the town side, information I wouldn't normally be privy to, and that I have information useful to that role. My knowledge on this matter is absolute and I have zero doubt. That's why it's worth it to come forward. That piece of info alone is worth much more than my life. No consideration for this being gastard game? I'm skeptical at next to everything in a generic mafia game. This is my first gastard game. The intersection there is ....... interesting. My knowledge on THAT matter is absolute, and I have zero doubt. Meeko you are seriously letting your normal paranoia go into extremes. I find this highly annoying. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 28, 2012 11:22:10 GMT -5
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That's the word that wasn't coming to me last night. I feel better now.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2012 11:28:52 GMT -5
Okay, now that I'm caught up..... I'm sorry to add to the confusion, but I think we have a much bigger problems then Pleo and his random wincon/lie. So last night I was infected with a virus. *sigh* I don't know what that means for me, but I don't like the sound of it at all! You got a virus in game? You sound worse off than having stubbed your toe. If I were you, I'd watch that. Anything we can do? Chicken soup?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2012 11:29:27 GMT -5
Idiom That's the word that wasn't coming to me last night. I feel better now. I am not! Oh.... You said idiom..... ;D
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 28, 2012 11:57:07 GMT -5
Pizza has played enough games that should I come to trust him as a member of town, I would trust that he puts the appropriate amount of faith in the messages. I imagine that the pm is forecasting an event or situation that Pizza will provide information for. The quality of the information will be the messenger's voucher. Inner IDK, but you seem to have way too much information about different topics going on here lately. You are the leader in the "peeker was the nexus" idea, and now you know Pizza's IM was forcasting something before he told us it was.....I'm just not sitting very comfortably with you today..... Vote: Inner
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 28, 2012 12:01:05 GMT -5
Meeko: How is pizza's play any different than guiri's toe stubbing or lizzy's report of a virus? I'll answer that....I'm assuming Guiri's message was similar to mine, but I've given us ALL of the information that I have. All I know is out of the blue I got a message saying that I woke up not feeling well and have a virus. Pizza on the other hand isn't giving us all of the information that he has. He threw out this half claim that there's a Town Vig, but DON'T PRESS HIM ON WHERE OR HOW HE GOT THE INFORMATION OR HE'LL NOT EVER REVEAL ANYTHING. It just seems IDK Hostile? If Pizza is town, I'm sure he has other motivations for WHY he's only revealing the little bit that he has, but It also doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 28, 2012 12:07:36 GMT -5
What makes you think Inner has game-related information as opposed anecdotal conjecture? Honest question.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 28, 2012 12:09:28 GMT -5
You got a virus in game? You sound worse off than having stubbed your toe. If I were you, I'd watch that. Anything we can do? Chicken soup? Yes an "in game" virus. I don't know whether Guiri being cursed is better/worse/the same as my virus. I also don't know if anyone can do anything.....Doctors? Got any Chix soup for me, or an antibiotic?!?! That was partially my point of posting it, to see if there were any remedies, but also to see if we can figure out where the heck it came from and how to stop others from being infected as well! Here's all that I got:
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2012 12:10:21 GMT -5
Pizza has played enough games that should I come to trust him as a member of town, I would trust that he puts the appropriate amount of faith in the messages. I imagine that the pm is forecasting an event or situation that Pizza will provide information for. The quality of the information will be the messenger's voucher. Inner IDK, but you seem to have way too much information about different topics going on here lately. You are the leader in the "peeker was the nexus" idea, and now you know Pizza's IM was forcasting something before he told us it was.....I'm just not sitting very comfortably with you today..... Vote: InnerWhy does having this information make you think Inner is hostile to town?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 28, 2012 12:11:00 GMT -5
Cookies I don't know he just seems to have a lot of random information that while possibly anecdotal almost like he's spoiled somehow.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2012 12:11:24 GMT -5
And starring Emily Litella as Miss Not Appearing In This Game.
I disagree: Asking if anyone else stubbed toes implies a role that can cause stubbed toes, and mentioning being infected implies an infection vector.
The only difference being pizza was explicit about there being information behind his statement, rather than implicit about it.
But, regardless. Off to other targets, yes?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 28, 2012 12:13:50 GMT -5
Pleo I can ask you the same question? Why doesn't it concern you that Inner seems to have an awful lot of information?
Isn't PIS a scum tell usually?
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Post by Parzival on Sept 28, 2012 12:18:22 GMT -5
With regards to askthepizzaguy, the very fact that the vig presents an unknown threat to hostiles (i.e. scum + third-parties) makes it a quite plausible ploy for them to try and call out the vig with a fake PM. This is similar to my suspicion of KidVermicious, I know. It's not enough that I'd vote on it, since if he did come by it honestly it's fair for him to share it.
I can only assume that additional information would have to come from pizza if it hasn't already for the vig, so I think we can wait on it.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 28, 2012 12:25:23 GMT -5
Pleo I can ask you the same question? Why doesn't it concern you that Inner seems to have an awful lot of information? Isn't PIS a scum tell usually? PIS is a Scum tell. But I do not see how Inner has demonstrated PIS. He has just speculated about a possibility. Remember Starirrain who really seemed to possess PIS, but it turned out she is just a really good player. Maybe Inner is just good at this... As an aside.... It is funny how really good players are, in a way, penalized. Who is it that has in their sig: Leave BillMc alone for three days. If the Scum have not killed him by then, lynch him. If he is Scum, you got him. If he is not Scum, lynch everyone he voted for. I do not know if this happens to him every game, but if it does, it is a wonder he comes back for more.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2012 12:33:56 GMT -5
Pleo I can ask you the same question? Why doesn't it concern you that Inner seems to have an awful lot of information? Isn't PIS a scum tell usually? If your position is PIS is a scum tell, then please state it so we all know what your reasoning is. Scum always have information that no one else: who is scum. And, by extension, who is not scum. So a hint that someone knows alignment is a scum tell. But other types of information can come from other sources. I expect this game is power-role heavy. And has a lot of third parties. So extra information (outside of who is scum or not) is not something I'd automatically connect to being scum. And, finally, I'm not sure Inner has displayed information specific to this game, rather than educated guesses based on past games. Can you make a list of specific things you think Inner knows but shouldn't?
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2012 12:40:42 GMT -5
While I think it improbable that this game has no scum, I think it is possible that there are no vanilla town. I'm not sure if knowing whether there are or are not vanilla is useful at this point, but it's something to think about. Especially if we have a vanilla town claim before we know if they exist in this game.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 28, 2012 12:53:19 GMT -5
Is it asking for further information to ask for an explanation of what it means for a role to "complement" the Town Vig? And how (or why?) would this "complement" allow the Town Vig to be less hesitant to fire at will? That information will be specifically and one-sidedly beneficial to the mafia. The information that was actually beneficial to the town has been shared. Although the information you request might help clarify what's going on, for you it is simply a curiosity that you want satisfied. The mafia will use that information to completely undermine the good that can be done. I know you want to know. I'll tell you all later.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 28, 2012 12:56:07 GMT -5
First off, apologies for not posting much. My husband and I are sharing one computer, and one job, and one room out in the wilderness of MD. Second off, I did not stub my toe, nor was I infected with a virus last Night. @pizzaguy: Are you some kind of jekyll/hyde character? YesterDay you posted mostly nonsense. ToDay you are seemingly completely rational. Please clarify: Are you saying that the town vig* should "shoot at will" because there is a "complementary role" in the game who can assure that the vig will hit a hostile player? Will this complementary role redirect the vig's shot? My character is colorful, and that's why I will be compelled to post nonsense every day. However, I'm not required to post nonsense all the time. And, I can't clarify. However I have already stated that the vigilante is not guaranteed to hit a scum with this complementary role, only that they are less likely to hit a town role. Therefore it becomes progressively more beneficial for them to fire randomly.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 28, 2012 13:01:25 GMT -5
With regards to askthepizzaguy, the very fact that the vig presents an unknown threat to hostiles (i.e. scum + third-parties) makes it a quite plausible ploy for them to try and call out the vig with a fake PM. This is similar to my suspicion of KidVermicious, I know. It's not enough that I'd vote on it, since if he did come by it honestly it's fair for him to share it. I can only assume that additional information would have to come from pizza if it hasn't already for the vig, so I think we can wait on it. You'll note that nowhere in my efforts have I asked the vigilante to reveal, and have merely been prodding him or her to act, and without regard to the vigilante's target. Now, that means one of two things: I am town, and what I am saying is true. Or I am evil, and have a method of redirecting the vigilante's actions. If the latter, I have motive to reveal myself and encourage this person to kill me or otherwise put suspicion on myself and get myself lynched for.... humanitarian reasons? You never can tell in a mafia game. However, I can guarantee you if I had some method of screwing with the vigilante, I'd shut my ass up about it and make certain they couldn't figure out the source of their woes.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 28, 2012 13:05:04 GMT -5
I wish I had PI. This game would be so much easier. (I actually have dreams on a fairly regular basis where my role power is knowing the members of the scum team and since I'm 1000% more eloquent when I don't have to be bothered with actually making cases, I win 100% of my dream mafia games. )
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Post by Meeko on Sept 28, 2012 13:06:11 GMT -5
First off, apologies for not posting much. My husband and I are sharing one computer, and one job, and one room out in the wilderness of MD. Second off, I did not stub my toe, nor was I infected with a virus last Night. @pizzaguy: Are you some kind of jekyll/hyde character? YesterDay you posted mostly nonsense. ToDay you are seemingly completely rational. Please clarify: Are you saying that the town vig* should "shoot at will" because there is a "complementary role" in the game who can assure that the vig will hit a hostile player? Will this complementary role redirect the vig's shot? My character is colorful, and that's why I will be compelled to post nonsense every day. However, I'm not required to post nonsense all the time. And, I can't clarify. However I have already stated that the vigilante is not guaranteed to hit a scum with this complementary role, only that they are less likely to hit a town role. Therefore it becomes progressively more beneficial for them to fire randomly. So you are stating you hate shoes? Being required to post nonsense. That's got to suck. I'm not sure I could do that, my randomness is thankfully not forced, and I think would suffer if it was.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 28, 2012 13:18:24 GMT -5
Listen, I think now would be a great time to post a list of players currently alive that we wouldn't mind lynching.
I have a severe dearth of information other than what I've been referring to, so as such, most of these are acceptable.
I have crossed off a few names I'm not particularly thrilled about lynching. Or vigging, for that matter.
Player List
1. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 2. gnarlycharlie 3. colby11
5. Meeko
6. Pleonast 7. crys 8. BillMc 9. dizzymrslizzy 10. wombat99 11. Lightfoot 12. storyteller 13. Merestil Haye 14. Sister Coyote
15. KidVermicious 16. LaurieRN 17. patricia 18. Suburban Plankton 20. Inner Stickler 21. Parzival 22. richbeckman 23. Red Skeezix 24. scathach 25. guiri 26. Silver Jan 27. sinjin 28. JustBeingGinger
29. Askthepizzaguy
Dead 4. mahaloth, aka Arthur Dent (Third-Party Nonhostile One-Shot Killer), lynched Day One 19. peekercpa, aka Deadpool (Third-Party Serial Annoyer), killed Night One
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 28, 2012 13:19:20 GMT -5
Also lynching dead people, I should have crossed those off.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2012 13:37:09 GMT -5
Player List 1. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies2. gnarlycharlie 3. colby11 5. Meeko6. Pleonast7. crys 8. BillMc 9. dizzymrslizzy 10. wombat99 11. Lightfoot 12. storyteller 13. Merestil Haye 14. Sister Coyote 15. KidVermicious16. LaurieRN 17. patricia 18. Suburban Plankton 20. Inner Stickler 21. Parzival 22. richbeckman 23. Red Skeezix 24. scathach 25. guiri 26. Silver Jan 27. sinjin 28. JustBeingGinger 29. AskthepizzaguyYou've crossed out the players CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Meeko, Pleonast, KidVermicious, and Askthepizzaguy. I'll take as a given that you don't want to lynch yourself, but can you tell us why you don't want to lynch the others?
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 28, 2012 13:37:24 GMT -5
I'd prefer we not lynch any of JustBeingGinger, BillMc, gnarlycharlie, storyteller0910, Red Skeezix, Sister Coyote ToDay, since I've investigated one of them and don't want to lose out on my second-stage investigation.
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