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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 21:21:08 GMT -5
I sear to Og that some of you don't have posting restrictions, but reading restrictions where Pollux has provided you with some algorithm plugin that hides random posts from you.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:40:10 GMT -5
well i got killed in my room. i'll nibble a bit because you folks deserve it. i am, i would imagine, not recruitable. to make me such would break the game. i really can't do shit except die and come back to annoy the rest of you fine folks at kind of random and intermittent points. i swear the role was written for me. polloux is a son of a gun but i think he hit close to home in this assignment. Thanks, but that's not why I'm asking. Dizzy stated that you 'stayed in your room' here: My question to Meeko is why are you targeting me? You yourself said that I was not alone visiting Peekers. 1- I did not kill anyone. I DO NOT have a killing role. Did I leave my room N1. Absolutely...But I didn't kill, bite, poison, curse, etc, anything that caused his death. There are quite a few other roles I can be, I think it's in Town's best interest for me to hold my cards and not reveal what I have at the moment. 2- Yes I am Half Jewish and was at services for 16 hours during the time span of Night 1. I was offline for the majority of that time, but as I said, I wasn't really around at all. There's no reason for me to lie. I wasn't 100% gone, but at the same time I'm having major problems with the board on my phone (as I posted the other day) 3- Meeko to answer your other claim about me asking too many questions about the Nexus. I had absolutely no clue what the Nexus was and what it did. I'm still pretty sketchy on what it is. But based on this site: wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Nexus_(Role) (which was all I could find on the internet regarding the Nexus) I was able to deduce that it has something to do with redirecting a kill. I was giving Inner a hard time D2 because he was trying to convince people that Peekers was the Nexus, but I didn't, and still don't understand how Peekers would have died N1 if he was the Nexus especially when he didn't leave his room!! -OOG-3- I know I've been less active the last couple of real life days. I had ANOTHER IRL situation come up, and I just started a new job. I have not and I will not be on much until I figure out how to balance my parenting job, work job, and play time better, because right now I feel like I'm being pulled in a 100 directions. I know real convenient....but it's really out of my hands for now since I have zero internet access at work. -/OOG- I'm trying to determine if you can possibly catch her in a lie or not. So did you do anything or go anywhere on Night 1? no i did not. and while i understand that certain roles can have certain peculiar nuances depending on the mod i have never heard of a tracker being in someone else's space. if i leave you see. but you don't have to come to my room and sit at my bedside to ascertain that, ffs. i think she is full of shit. unvote allvote dizzyand because he is just being uber annoying to me in my current state i will also vote pizza. that's one of the middle of the pack votes, dontchaknow. board acting wonky so will just see how this pans out.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 21:40:49 GMT -5
What do you want me to say suburban? I've done nothing wrong here except do the same thing that pizza has done...aka holding all of his cards close to his body. I am a tracker. I tracked Peekers night one because his deadpool/ironman Sctick sounded batshit crazy an I wanted to see where he went. I tracked Pizza night two who I got a result again that he didn't leave And I tracked Parz after pizzas whole parz is a scumbag show on N3 I have no real information to share at all...if I had I would have shared. Well, if you had given us any of this information earlier, that would have been nice. Volunteering your Alignment before somebody had to ask for it would have been a good sign (not that anyone would necessarily have believed it, but it would have been nice to have). A result on what Parzival did or didn't do might have been helpful as well. Sure, he's dead, but knowing where a known Scum was last Night might be helpful...
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:41:35 GMT -5
what the fuck were you doing in my room last Night? and if it is merely the tracker shit that does not fly with me a fucking teensy bit. tracker sees what happens when someone leaves their abode. near as i can tell i ddin't make it that far. Isn't that what I said? That you never left??? What about my story doesn't fly with you? I said you never left....You said you died before you were able to leave. AKA, my result that you never left your room was correct wasn't it? well that is typically not how a watcher works. unless you are kind of the angel of death.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 21:43:58 GMT -5
Meeko said he's a Watcher. Dizzy says she's a Tracker.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:46:15 GMT -5
fucking hell. watcher = tracker in my post. you wouldn't have anything to track since all i did was get killed in a variety or ways. which could be one or many.
but so solly cholly. no tracker is camped in my bedroom waiting for me to go and do something. i mean maybe if you had said i tracked him to the bathroom where he peed twice before he was killed i could buy it. but no soup for you.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:50:29 GMT -5
What do you want me to say suburban? I've done nothing wrong here except do the same thing that pizza has done...aka holding all of his cards close to his body. I am a tracker. I tracked Peekers night one because his deadpool/ironman Sctick sounded batshit crazy an I wanted to see where he went. I tracked Pizza night two who I got a result again that he didn't leave And I tracked Parz after pizzas whole parz is a scumbag show on N3 I have no real information to share at all...if I had I would have shared. Well, if you had given us any of this information earlier, that would have been nice. Volunteering your Alignment before somebody had to ask for it would have been a good sign (not that anyone would necessarily have believed it, but it would have been nice to have). A result on what Parzival did or didn't do might have been helpful as well. Sure, he's dead, but knowing where a known Scum was last Night might be helpful... heh heh. burby you are why i believe in a total all knowing beneficit diety. certainly we could not exist for long on our own without some divine intervention. i swear he probably sits up there with the rest of the dieties that are observing other stuff and says: "guys/gals you'll never believe what my part of the galaxy is up to".
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 21:50:35 GMT -5
Thanks, but that's not why I'm asking. Dizzy stated that you 'stayed in your room' here: I'm trying to determine if you can possibly catch her in a lie or not. So did you do anything or go anywhere on Night 1? no i did not. and while i understand that certain roles can have certain peculiar nuances depending on the mod i have never heard of a tracker being in someone else's space. if i leave you see. but you don't have to come to my room and sit at my bedside to ascertain that, ffs. i think she is full of shit. unvote allvote dizzyand because he is just being uber annoying to me in my current state i will also vote pizza. that's one of the middle of the pack votes, dontchaknow. board acting wonky so will just see how this pans out. peeker, sometimes I wonder if you're being deliberately obtuse about things, because I know you understand how this game is played. lizzy is claiming to be a Tracker. She is claiming that she tracked you on Night 1. She is claiming that you didn't go anywhere on Night 1. You are claiming that you didn't go anywhere on Night 1. There is no discrepancy; no contradiction, no argument here. If the target of a Tracker goes somewhere at Night, then the Tracker sees where they go. It therefore follows logically that if the Tracker doesn't see their target go anywhere, that they stayed home all Night. "If A then B" implies "If ~B then ~A". Logic 101. If you were voting her because you didn't believe her claim, I'd have no issue (after all, I'm voting her myself). But if you're voting her because you think that what she's saying can't possibly be true (which is how I'm reading you), then you're completely off base.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 21:50:44 GMT -5
I don't know, Peeker. I believe there are precedents for a Tracker getting results of "So and so stayed in his room" when the object of their tracking doesn't do anything.
And it is my understanding that Watchers get to see what happens to a player while Trackers get to see what a player does.
You can still be upset and feel violated, but that aspect of her story passes the smell test to me.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 21:52:24 GMT -5
Well, if you had given us any of this information earlier, that would have been nice. Volunteering your Alignment before somebody had to ask for it would have been a good sign (not that anyone would necessarily have believed it, but it would have been nice to have). A result on what Parzival did or didn't do might have been helpful as well. Sure, he's dead, but knowing where a known Scum was last Night might be helpful... heh heh. burby you are why i believe in a total all knowing beneficit diety. certainly we could not exist for long on our own without some divine intervention. i swear he probably sits up there with the rest of the dieties that are observing other stuff and says: "guys/gals you'll never believe what my part of the galaxy is up to". I love ya, peeks, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 21:52:47 GMT -5
Burby owes me a Coke, and as he is a gentleman, I'm hoping there will be ample Gentleman's Jack in it too. 0:)
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:53:38 GMT -5
Meeko said he's a Watcher. Dizzy says she's a Tracker. well shit it was one of you clowns who got me all flummoxed on the wilma and fred imbroglio. i take no responsibility for what i say. merely for what i mean. fuck, i should run for president. take about 20 guesses who will be in my cabinet. heh heh.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:58:24 GMT -5
no i did not. and while i understand that certain roles can have certain peculiar nuances depending on the mod i have never heard of a tracker being in someone else's space. if i leave you see. but you don't have to come to my room and sit at my bedside to ascertain that, ffs. i think she is full of shit. unvote allvote dizzyand because he is just being uber annoying to me in my current state i will also vote pizza. that's one of the middle of the pack votes, dontchaknow. board acting wonky so will just see how this pans out. peeker, sometimes I wonder if you're being deliberately obtuse about things, because I know you understand how this game is played. lizzy is claiming to be a Tracker. She is claiming that she tracked you on Night 1. She is claiming that you didn't go anywhere on Night 1. You are claiming that you didn't go anywhere on Night 1. There is no discrepancy; no contradiction, no argument here. If the target of a Tracker goes somewhere at Night, then the Tracker sees where they go. It therefore follows logically that if the Tracker doesn't see their target go anywhere, that they stayed home all Night. "If A then B" implies "If ~B then ~A". Logic 101. If you were voting her because you didn't believe her claim, I'd have no issue (after all, I'm voting her myself). But if you're voting her because you think that what she's saying can't possibly be true (which is how I'm reading you), then you're completely off base. ok, i will type real slow and try to not be obtuse. i certainly would agree that a tracker would not have seen me go anywhere, since i didn't. but why would she be in my room? either meeko is lying or dizzy is as far as i can ascertain. at this point dizzy seems to be less believable. and if she flips town tracker then i guess we string meeko. don't really see any downside from where i sit.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2012 21:58:44 GMT -5
Well damn, I did unintentionally leave out my last Night results. I was posting from my phone during work so I was rushed. Sorry.
Maybe that's something that can be corroborated also.
I got this result Last Night:
On the contrary, I got this result on the First Night.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 22:04:57 GMT -5
heh heh. burby you are why i believe in a total all knowing beneficit diety. certainly we could not exist for long on our own without some divine intervention. i swear he probably sits up there with the rest of the dieties that are observing other stuff and says: "guys/gals you'll never believe what my part of the galaxy is up to". I love ya, peeks, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here. sorry it's an old family meme. we believe in a god that has a sense of humor (dark though it may be at times). so it's kind of like when you pick up a cast iron skillet that has been frying the chicken and burn the shit out of your hand. we always giggle that god has to be having a belly full about what he has wrought. and so while other gods are looking at their galaxies and are cooing about the elimination of sickness and disease, the ability to travel at light speed plus, the elimination of anger and goodwill towards all our god gets stuck with "shit, mine are talking about the powers of a tracker versus a watcher". it kind of makes me giggle.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 22:08:05 GMT -5
Well damn, I did unintentionally leave out my last Night results. I was posting from my phone during work so I was rushed. Sorry. Maybe that's something that can be corroborated also. I got this result Last Night: On the contrary, I got this result on the First Night. see. twasn't so hard.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 22:08:26 GMT -5
ok, i will type real slow and try to not be obtuse. i certainly would agree that a tracker would not have seen me go anywhere, since i didn't. but why would she be in my room? either meeko is lying or dizzy is as far as i can ascertain. at this point dizzy seems to be less believable. and if she flips town tracker then i guess we string meeko. don't really see any downside from where i sit. Where exactly did she say she was "in your room"? She said she "left her room" and that you "didn't leave your room", but I can't find where lizzy said she was "in your room". Possibly someone else said it, but in any case I think that's a pretty shaky reason for a vote, since it's based solely on a non-Moderator turn of phrase. And I am quite bothered by your comment "don't really see any downside from where i sit". You've already stated in no uncertain terms that it doesn't matter in the slightest to you which faction wins this game. In my book, that means that you are a huge liability to Town and must be eliminated before you lose the game for us. But in this case, that avenue seems to be closed off to us...
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2012 22:09:33 GMT -5
Now where's my back massage Peekers!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 22:13:57 GMT -5
sorry it's an old family meme. we believe in a god that has a sense of humor (dark though it may be at times). so it's kind of like when you pick up a cast iron skillet that has been frying the chicken and burn the shit out of your hand. we always giggle that god has to be having a belly full about what he has wrought. and so while other gods are looking at their galaxies and are cooing about the elimination of sickness and disease, the ability to travel at light speed plus, the elimination of anger and goodwill towards all our god gets stuck with "shit, mine are talking about the powers of a tracker versus a watcher". it kind of makes me giggle. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Or at the very least, stop by some day for a beer and/or a glass of Scotch. We'll be taking a cross-country driving trip to see family in Tennessee next fall...but I think you're a bit south of our planned route...
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Post by crys on Oct 15, 2012 22:17:10 GMT -5
Yeah you did. And it was quoted multiple times on this page, but here it is again: Yes but me staying alive to bite is also important to me also. Voting\biting the wrong people is dangerous to me too. Ok I understand now why claiming was bad. Learning experience go me. My issue is not understanding what I need to do but weeding out the hostiles and scum is what has me twisted up in knots Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards Well that is what I get for not having a language filter I guess. The only thing dangerous about me biting the wrong people is them getting upset and started a big ol lynch wagon in my direction.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 15, 2012 23:00:10 GMT -5
Believing Meeko and agreeing with his analysis are two very different things. I also believe that he saw what he says he saw. But I don't see much to support the conclusion he's come to about what he saw while dismissing a stack of other possibilities that I think also need to be considered. And that is not a defense of Dizzy. Well, dizzy is the only person that Meeko has given us, so I have to run with it. I can't read the pm that says "Dizzy, person x, y, z, and q all visited Peeker"[/quote How do you feel about the theory that there were as many as 3 killers who simultaneously killed Peeker, given that there was a muddy cluster of killing color used to describe his death? If you'll assume for a moment that is what happened, how do you feel about the probability of those three killers actually choosing Peeker as a target vs some redirector making that decision for them? If you assume that one of those three killers was a Town Vig, maybe even the one who was outed, would you want that Town Vig to claim in response to being outed by a Watcher or keep their role secret? Personally, I don't think Dizzy has the luxury not to claim, but I'd settle for a clear answer to my direct question of whether or not she did actually target Peeker with whatever Night 1 action she had. But apparently a bunch of people would rather try to pressure me to claim or lynch me rather than putting pressure on either Dizzy or Meeko for more information which is just about the most mind-bogglingly idiotic display of bad play that I think I've ever seen. The thing that does bother me is why Meeko hasn't revealed anyone else that they saw visit Peeks that night. I think Meeko decided to run with the first person who might be scum in his eyes, but obviously anyone who visited Peeks Night 1 is at least a killing role... Peeker, how do you win if you keep coming back to life?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 15, 2012 23:03:23 GMT -5
I think we can safely clear Bill from the scum team for the time being. He was being investigated by Paravil (sorry for the name butchery) before he got frozen, so Bill is safe... For now
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 15, 2012 23:06:59 GMT -5
I think we can safely clear Bill from the scum team for the time being. He was being investigated by Paravil (sorry for the name butchery) before he got frozen, so Bill is safe... For now This is assuming that Dizzy is correct. And to add to the worry- someone bid more than 6 votes for the mercenary, cause I bid 6 and did not get a message, therefore no Mercenary help for Colby.. And they are about to be killed in roughly 12 hours...
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Post by Meeko on Oct 15, 2012 23:26:11 GMT -5
Meeko said he's a Watcher. Dizzy says she's a Tracker. Here's the fun part. I'm actually...... BOTH. give me two seconds to get to my computer, so that I don't do all of this on my iPad. I will give information on my night one results, and will give role information.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 15, 2012 23:57:25 GMT -5
Let's do this. A. This is the result pm I got from my night 1 action
I can't help but wonder if this doesn't make the target on my back bigger. But there it is. B. BreadcrumbI can't quote the post, but I have the link and have copied the text. Reply 217 in Day 2. www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=poll&thread=2047&page=8#98640The post starts off with a quote from Dizzy. Sept 27, 2012, 7:35am, dizzymrslizzy wrote: Okay, now that I'm caught up..... I'm sorry to add to the confusion, but I think we have a much bigger problems then Pleo and his random wincon/lie. So last night I was infected with a virus. *sigh* I don't know what that means for me, but I don't like the sound of it at all! And I responded : You got a virus in game? You sound worse off than having stubbed your toe. If I were you, I'd watch that. Anything we can do? Chicken soup? Read more: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=poll&thread=2047&page=8#98640#ixzz29QxRpgcp
I crafted the breadcrumb with " I'd watch that." That is, that's the crumb. C. Role information Name: Deadeye DickAlignment: Third-Party Designation: Nonhostile Role: Tracker/Watcher This checks with Parzival's claim that he discovered my name. He was overladen with Eye and Detective synonyms. I am NOT a Detective. I am NOT a Vig. Again, my Role does NOT match the original role in the game it came from. I can supply the information on how my tracking and watching works, but I think it's prudent to see what Dizzy has to say in regards to her powers first. I think I've shared enough for now. Quid Pro Quo Clarice, and what not.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 0:11:10 GMT -5
I sear to Og that some of you don't have posting restrictions, but reading restrictions where Pollux has provided you with some algorithm plugin that hides random posts from you. I wonder if this isn't the case. I also wonder if creepy doll isn't involved.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 16, 2012 0:16:57 GMT -5
<snip> B. BreadcrumbI can't quote the post, but I have the link and have copied the text. Reply 217 in Day 2. www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=poll&thread=2047&page=8#98640The post starts off with a quote from Dizzy. Sept 27, 2012, 7:35am, dizzymrslizzy wrote: Okay, now that I'm caught up..... I'm sorry to add to the confusion, but I think we have a much bigger problems then Pleo and his random wincon/lie. So last night I was infected with a virus. *sigh* I don't know what that means for me, but I don't like the sound of it at all! And I responded : You got a virus in game? You sound worse off than having stubbed your toe. If I were you, I'd watch that. Anything we can do? Chicken soup? Read more: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=poll&thread=2047&page=8#98640#ixzz29QxRpgcp
I crafted the breadcrumb with " I'd watch that." That is, that's the crumb. <snip> Meeko, I'm sorry, but what does that breadcrumb signify?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 0:18:07 GMT -5
Peeker: Did you go anywhere or do anything on Night 1? well i got killed in my room. i'll nibble a bit because you folks deserve it. i am, i would imagine, not recruitable. to make me such would break the game. i really can't do shit except die and come back to annoy the rest of you fine folks at kind of random and intermittent points. i swear the role was written for me. polloux is a son of a gun but i think he hit close to home in this assignment. Peeker, what's your favorite song for your childhood?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 0:18:33 GMT -5
Thank you Meeko. Now that's some info.
Unvote Meeko Vote Silver Jan[/color]
I think all three of them are likely killers, but I don't think they all (let alone any of them) actually wanted to kill Peeker and one of them could be the Town Vig. Inner has been playing while Jan has been lurking. Of course we'll see what the other two have to say, but that's where my gut goes for now, Jan and Dizzy as the malicious ones.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 0:19:13 GMT -5
grr Vote Silver Jan[/color]
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