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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 16:20:26 GMT -5
I know the subject of crys biting or not biting the right or wrong people has been done almost to death, but there's still one tidbit that bugs me about the whole thing... Yes but me staying alive to bite is also important to me also. Voting\biting the wrong people is dangerous to me too. Ok I understand now why claiming was bad. Learning experience go me. My issue is not understanding what I need to do but weeding out the hostiles and scum is what has me twisted up in knots <emphasis mine> I understand how biting the 'wrong people' (i.e. people who subsequently get killed) does nothing to advance your win condition, but how exactly is it "dangerous" do you?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 16:22:29 GMT -5
Symantics. You want an observation? Next to 'lynch the loud' is a montage of every darn time people put my name in blue just because I'm actually talking when lots of other people aren't. Wouldn't you want people to put your name in blue? Considering that's the convention for Town? [/color]
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 15, 2012 16:23:58 GMT -5
It's the blue vote that's discomfiting her, I think.
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Post by patricia on Oct 15, 2012 16:24:42 GMT -5
I'm going to vote on two people but I'm mostly looking for more information from them - telling us one bit of the whole is not cool
Vote Meeko Vote Cookies
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 16:26:45 GMT -5
What information are you looking for from me?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2012 16:30:25 GMT -5
Yes, Peekers was my target on N1.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 16:35:37 GMT -5
Why are you fishing? Weird against weird is...... Normal right? Again, I am a watcher, I have no evidence in and of itself that directly states X is a killer. It's not very much to go on. Wouldn't you sit on information for a while if you had it? Detectives are asked time and again to reveal at around three results. I have less certainty than detectives do, and this is a gastard game. To answer dizzy..... I have made my case, and your actions at the time you made them still stand, and still ping me. I have placed breadcrumbs, and have Parz's post In which he (as far as I can tell) got my name. In so many words, I feel I needed to act today, and I acted on the best information I have. I'm not scum - so the target has always been on my back. I have no more of a target on my back than anyone else. In fact I do believe we have a few players that have made a full claim aren't they more at risk than I am? I hate it when people say "I left breadcrumbs". I for one totally suck at finding them, so that does me absolutely no good at all. And if you're going to point out that they're out there, why not just tell us what they say? And you have painted a target on your back with your partial claim. Yes, you've always been a target, assuming you aren't Scum, but no more so than anyone else who also isn't Scum. But with your claim you've just risen above the crowd. That being said, you are correct that there are a number of other people who have made full or partial claims, so you're not necessarily head-and-shoulders above anyone else...what you've done (assuming you're not Scum yourself) is given the Scum one more glass of wine to choose from, and that's not altogether a bad thing... But I still would like to know who else targeted peeker on Night 1, since you seem to be in possession of that information. If lizzy didn't kill him, then someone else on your list did, and I don't know why you'd want to keep that information to yourself. I wish I had some answers for you there Inner.....but I've pretty much shared everything I know already if you look for it. To answer Gnarly bluntly, yes I softclaimed. I think it's maybe time for a 'hard' claim, then. And since you've had plenty of time to come up with one, I'm guessing there's something about the role you were given that you don't want us to know. vote dizzymrslizzy
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 16:36:50 GMT -5
Peeker: Did you go anywhere or do anything on Night 1?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 16:40:02 GMT -5
I'm going to vote on two people but I'm mostly looking for more information from them - telling us one bit of the whole is not cool Vote Meeko Vote CookiesWhat information are you looking for from me? I have not provided anything but my parsing of publicly available information and conjecture based on that.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 17:14:39 GMT -5
A couple things that stood out for me as I was reviewint Day 3: Everyone ended the Day with at least one vote, except for BillMc. He had been voting for Ginger and Colby, but unvoted in Post 411 [/color] Need to have a re-read[/quote] He did post one more time, but never voted again. It bugs me that he went most of the Day with votes on two of the leading candidates, then removed both of them bead EoD and ended with no vote. On the other hand, I can't see a Scummy motivation for such a move...and he hasn't left us a lot of other content to judge him by, so I'm not sure what to do with this... Did we ever hear anything from whomever won the Mercenary yesterDay? I don't recall seeing anything...of course, this would seem merely to indicate that whoever it was, they never felt like they were in any danger of being lynched. With Ginger having a commanding lead through most of the Day, that isn't too surprising. We haven't heard anything today either, which is a bit more surprising. With no clear-cut leader, and only 20 hours or so until EoD, I would have expected to hear "save me, I over bid on the Merc and now I'm going to get lynched!" by now.
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Post by crys on Oct 15, 2012 17:33:59 GMT -5
I know the subject of crys biting or not biting the right or wrong people has been done almost to death, but there's still one tidbit that bugs me about the whole thing... Yes but me staying alive to bite is also important to me also. Voting\biting the wrong people is dangerous to me too. Ok I understand now why claiming was bad. Learning experience go me. My issue is not understanding what I need to do but weeding out the hostiles and scum is what has me twisted up in knots <emphasis mine> I understand how biting the 'wrong people' (i.e. people who subsequently get killed) does nothing to advance your win condition, but how exactly is it "dangerous" do you? Because if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched and that totally screws the pooch for my win condition. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 17:38:01 GMT -5
I know the subject of crys biting or not biting the right or wrong people has been done almost to death, but there's still one tidbit that bugs me about the whole thing... <emphasis mine> I understand how biting the 'wrong people' (i.e. people who subsequently get killed) does nothing to advance your win condition, but how exactly is it "dangerous" do you? Because if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched and that totally screws the pooch for my win condition. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards He asked how biting the 'wrong' people would be dangerous to you.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 17:47:18 GMT -5
I know the subject of crys biting or not biting the right or wrong people has been done almost to death, but there's still one tidbit that bugs me about the whole thing... <emphasis mine> I understand how biting the 'wrong people' (i.e. people who subsequently get killed) does nothing to advance your win condition, but how exactly is it "dangerous" do you? Because if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched and that totally screws the pooch for my win condition. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards "if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched" - Isn't that exactly the same position we're all in? "that totally screws the pooch for my win condition" - I don't see anything in your win condition that says you need to be alive; only that you need to have infected half of the players that are alive at the end. You could theoretically win by biting one person, dying any time thereafter, and having your single victim be one of two survivors at the End. (Not a terribly likely scenario, I know, but possible). The big problem I'm having is with your choice of the phrase "is dangerous to me". That implies that something 'bad' could happen to you if you vote/bite the wrong people, and I get the feeling that "I might ultimately get lynched for making poor voting choices" is not the 'bad' thing that you're afraid of.
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Post by crys on Oct 15, 2012 18:20:52 GMT -5
Because if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched and that totally screws the pooch for my win condition. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards "if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched" - Isn't that exactly the same position we're all in? "that totally screws the pooch for my win condition" - I don't see anything in your win condition that says you need to be alive; only that you need to have infected half of the players that are alive at the end. You could theoretically win by biting one person, dying any time thereafter, and having your single victim be one of two survivors at the End. (Not a terribly likely scenario, I know, but possible). The big problem I'm having is with your choice of the phrase "is dangerous to me". That implies that something 'bad' could happen to you if you vote/bite the wrong people, and I get the feeling that "I might ultimately get lynched for making poor voting choices" is not the 'bad' thing that you're afraid of. Well it is. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by crys on Oct 15, 2012 18:22:17 GMT -5
Because if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched and that totally screws the pooch for my win condition. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards He asked how biting the 'wrong' people would be dangerous to you. I never said biting the wrong people could be dangerous to me. He is just fishing imo. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 18:26:18 GMT -5
Yeah you did. And it was quoted multiple times on this page, but here it is again: I can only speak for meself- but your - biting the wrong people - comment makes no sense if you are who you claim- I can't wrap it- infect/bite/ tag every player you can it increases your odds to meet your posted win-con--- I would like to hear more from you as to why that concept is confusing Yes but me staying alive to bite is also important to me also. Voting\biting the wrong people is dangerous to me too. Ok I understand now why claiming was bad. Learning experience go me. My issue is not understanding what I need to do but weeding out the hostiles and scum is what has me twisted up in knots Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 15, 2012 18:32:03 GMT -5
Day 4 Updated Vote Count
dizzymrslizzy (5 votes) - Meeko, Colby11, Inner Stickler, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Suburban Plankton CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (4 votes) - gnarlycharlie, sinjin, storyteller0910, patricia Meeko (3 votes) - dizzymrslizzy, Sister Coyote, patricia peekercpa (2 votes) - Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote Lightfoot (2 votes) - Colby11, crys gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - Sister Coyote Inner Stickler (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy Merestil Haye (1 vote) - Lightfoot askthepizzaguy (1 vote) - Meeko
With these votes, dizzymrslizzy will be lynched.
Day ends in ~18.5 hours.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2012 18:46:59 GMT -5
What do you want me to say suburban? I've done nothing wrong here except do the same thing that pizza has done...aka holding all of his cards close to his body.
I am a tracker.
I tracked Peekers night one because his deadpool/ironman Sctick sounded batshit crazy an I wanted to see where he went. I tracked Pizza night two who I got a result again that he didn't leave And I tracked Parz after pizzas whole parz is a scumbag show on N3
I have no real information to share at all...if I had I would have shared.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 18:50:18 GMT -5
Vote Meeko[/color]Meeko, your conclusion about Dizzy's role in Peeker's death is highly questionable based on the information at hand. Dizzy has confirmed that she was in Peeker's room, so your information has been confirmed to that extent, but keeping the information about the other people to yourself is a problem given the questionable conclusion about Dizzy. I understand that you think you've busted someone, and maybe you have, but it is absolutely stupid for me to have to expose anything in the middle of such a he said, she said situation between two players who are already partially exposed.. And any Townies who are paying attention shouldn't be making that trade either.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 18:52:40 GMT -5
And Patricia, your vote is bugging the every loving crap out of me considering you seem to have me confused with someone else, or you're so out of touch with the game that you don't know what is going on.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 19:05:22 GMT -5
What do you want me to say suburban? I've done nothing wrong here except do the same thing that pizza has done...aka holding all of his cards close to his body. I am a tracker. I tracked Peekers night one because his deadpool/ironman Sctick sounded batshit crazy an I wanted to see where he went. I tracked Pizza night two who I got a result again that he didn't leave And I tracked Parz after pizzas whole parz is a scumbag show on N3 I have no real information to share at all...if I had I would have shared. Town? Third Party? Aside from Peeker and Pizza saying they didn't do anything the Nights you say you tracked them, there are no confirmable results of your alleged actions, so I'm going to have to leave my vote in place for now. I, for one, appreciate your sharing and your information definitely puts Meeko in the hot seat, or at least a seat hotter than mine.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 15, 2012 19:24:06 GMT -5
It is a very nice seat, by the way.
Cookies' death not endorsed by the pizza. We baked goods need to stick together. But not to the pan.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 20:56:46 GMT -5
Either crys works with town and sacrifices her wincon or she goes after her wincon and dies. Those are the options I see for her. I don't think we really have to worry about crys yet, but I think she a) claimed too clumsily (and arguably too early) and dug herself into a bit of a hole b) got bullied by a Hostile KidV into digging herself even further into an unwinnable hole and can't get herself out of it I don't really grok the argument that she's more or less helpful to Town whether or not she stays in her room though it gives her no benefit of the doubt. The only way (assuming she's thruthful) that she could mess with Town is by causing an investigator to mis-read her. If there are any investigators left, or someone wins the Merc investigation, I hope they're looking at some other potential information to glean about people who haven't claimed instead of futzing with crys. and THIS is what i don't get about you this game cookies. you are making all sorts of excuses for someone who admittedly has their hand in the cookie jar (pun intended). jeebuz, i can't tell if you are some sort of odd f. l. bailey that feels the need to defend anyone accused of anything regardless of the circumstances. and if you are in fact bailey or maybe cochran answer me this. did o.j. really do it?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 20:58:04 GMT -5
The only thing that staying in her room does is eliminate a variable from the puzzle. au contraire. it doesn't prove jack or eliminate shit.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:01:23 GMT -5
I wish I had some answers for you there Inner.....but I've pretty much shared everything I know already if you look for it. To answer Gnarly bluntly, yes I softclaimed. and fuck every durn post leads down another path. ah well such is the life or a retired adhd. can you maybe help me out in small words that are kind of clear. what the fuck were you doing in my room last Night? and if it is merely the tracker shit that does not fly with me a fucking teensy bit. tracker sees what happens when someone leaves their abode. near as i can tell i ddin't make it that far.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 21:05:36 GMT -5
Peeker: Did you go anywhere or do anything on Night 1? well i got killed in my room. i'll nibble a bit because you folks deserve it. i am, i would imagine, not recruitable. to make me such would break the game. i really can't do shit except die and come back to annoy the rest of you fine folks at kind of random and intermittent points. i swear the role was written for me. polloux is a son of a gun but i think he hit close to home in this assignment.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 21:11:48 GMT -5
I don't think we really have to worry about crys yet, but I think she a) claimed too clumsily (and arguably too early) and dug herself into a bit of a hole b) got bullied by a Hostile KidV into digging herself even further into an unwinnable hole and can't get herself out of it I don't really grok the argument that she's more or less helpful to Town whether or not she stays in her room though it gives her no benefit of the doubt. The only way (assuming she's thruthful) that she could mess with Town is by causing an investigator to mis-read her. If there are any investigators left, or someone wins the Merc investigation, I hope they're looking at some other potential information to glean about people who haven't claimed instead of futzing with crys. and THIS is what i don't get about you this game cookies. you are making all sorts of excuses for someone who admittedly has their hand in the cookie jar (pun intended). jeebuz, i can't tell if you are some sort of odd f. l. bailey that feels the need to defend anyone accused of anything regardless of the circumstances. and if you are in fact bailey or maybe cochran answer me this. did o.j. really do it? I'm not making excuses for her. I just don't happen to find her fumbling attempts a communication to be as wholly incomprehensible as many other people seem to have found them. She could very well still be lying, she could very well be having trouble communicating because she's still hiding something. I just happen to understand what she's apparently been trying to say.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 21:15:17 GMT -5
Peeker: Did you go anywhere or do anything on Night 1? well i got killed in my room. i'll nibble a bit because you folks deserve it. i am, i would imagine, not recruitable. to make me such would break the game. i really can't do shit except die and come back to annoy the rest of you fine folks at kind of random and intermittent points. i swear the role was written for me. polloux is a son of a gun but i think he hit close to home in this assignment. Thanks, but that's not why I'm asking. Dizzy stated that you 'stayed in your room' here: My question to Meeko is why are you targeting me? You yourself said that I was not alone visiting Peekers. 1- I did not kill anyone. I DO NOT have a killing role. Did I leave my room N1. Absolutely...But I didn't kill, bite, poison, curse, etc, anything that caused his death. There are quite a few other roles I can be, I think it's in Town's best interest for me to hold my cards and not reveal what I have at the moment. 2- Yes I am Half Jewish and was at services for 16 hours during the time span of Night 1. I was offline for the majority of that time, but as I said, I wasn't really around at all. There's no reason for me to lie. I wasn't 100% gone, but at the same time I'm having major problems with the board on my phone (as I posted the other day) 3- Meeko to answer your other claim about me asking too many questions about the Nexus. I had absolutely no clue what the Nexus was and what it did. I'm still pretty sketchy on what it is. But based on this site: wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Nexus_(Role) (which was all I could find on the internet regarding the Nexus) I was able to deduce that it has something to do with redirecting a kill. I was giving Inner a hard time D2 because he was trying to convince people that Peekers was the Nexus, but I didn't, and still don't understand how Peekers would have died N1 if he was the Nexus especially when he didn't leave his room!! -OOG-3- I know I've been less active the last couple of real life days. I had ANOTHER IRL situation come up, and I just started a new job. I have not and I will not be on much until I figure out how to balance my parenting job, work job, and play time better, because right now I feel like I'm being pulled in a 100 directions. I know real convenient....but it's really out of my hands for now since I have zero internet access at work. -/OOG- I'm trying to determine if you can possibly catch her in a lie or not. So did you do anything or go anywhere on Night 1?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2012 21:15:29 GMT -5
what the fuck were you doing in my room last Night? and if it is merely the tracker shit that does not fly with me a fucking teensy bit. tracker sees what happens when someone leaves their abode. near as i can tell i ddin't make it that far. Isn't that what I said? That you never left??? What about my story doesn't fly with you? I said you never left....You said you died before you were able to leave. AKA, my result that you never left your room was correct wasn't it?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 21:20:47 GMT -5
vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookiesShe voted for Bill as a prod. Bill hasn't responded, yet she unvoted him anyway. She voted dizzymrslizzy for not being forthcoming after Meeko's accusation, then she voted Meeko for not being forthcoming with the rest of his information after accusing lizzy. And she doesn't seem to know what she thinks about crys. Regarding the "Voting\biting the wrong people is dangerous to me too" comment: First she was defensive She's explained this before, I believe. The 'right' people are the people who are going to survive long enough to count towards her win condition, which they can't do if they're dead. So she has to either try and strategize to target people who are likely to stay alive or just use the shotgun approach and infect as many people as possible in the general population as a way of spreading out the probability that her targets will get killed by a killing role or lynched. Seeing as she allegedly tried to stay in her room at least once as a symbol of cooperation, and seeing as the person putting the most pressure on her to do so was KidV who was a hostile Third Party and not even a member of the Town that she was trying to show cooperate toward, her choices of who she should bite and who she's going to vote to lynch has become more crucial and complicated. If she happens to have bitten someone who starts gathering suspicion, she has conflicting motivations, especially if she happens to share in the suspicion of those she has bitten. Adding a vote toward lynching them moves her away from her win condition. Deciding not to vote for them potentially puts her at odds with the best interest of the Town. That is my understanding of her language and apparent predicament as to her win condition. Then she went on the attack Because if I don't choose my votes carefully I will be lynched and that totally screws the pooch for my win condition. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards He asked how biting the 'wrong' people would be dangerous to you. and now she's straddling the fence and THIS is what i don't get about you this game cookies. you are making all sorts of excuses for someone who admittedly has their hand in the cookie jar (pun intended). jeebuz, i can't tell if you are some sort of odd f. l. bailey that feels the need to defend anyone accused of anything regardless of the circumstances. and if you are in fact bailey or maybe cochran answer me this. did o.j. really do it? I'm not making excuses for her. I just don't happen to find her fumbling attempts a communication to be as wholly incomprehensible as many other people seem to have found them. She could very well still be lying, she could very well be having trouble communicating because she's still hiding something. I just happen to understand what she's apparently been trying to say.
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