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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 12:23:33 GMT -5
Unvote M HayeI would rather see Lightfoot gone than M Haye at this point, because Lightfoot just seems off... I can't place my finger on it Vote DizzyLizzyI believe Meeko, but Meeko, could you please let us know who else you saw visit Peeker on Night 1? Believing Meeko and agreeing with his analysis are two very different things. I also believe that he saw what he says he saw. But I don't see much to support the conclusion he's come to about what he saw while dismissing a stack of other possibilities that I think also need to be considered. And that is not a defense of Dizzy.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 15, 2012 12:34:37 GMT -5
Day 4 Vote Count
peekercpa (2 votes) - Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote gnarlycharlie (2 votes) - askthepizzaguy, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Lightfoot (2 votes) - Colby11, crys dizzymrslizzy (2 votes) - Meeko, Colby11 CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (2 votes) - gnarlycharlie, sinjin Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - Sister Coyote Inner Stickler (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy Merestil Haye (1 vote) - Lightfoot askthepizzaguy (1 vote) - Meeko BillMc (1 vote) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Meeko (1 vote) - dizzymrslizzy
With these votes, peekercpa will be lynched.
Day ends in ~24.5 hours.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 15, 2012 12:37:39 GMT -5
That last does not work, unless you are willing to maintain that KidV was the only hostile third party. [/quote]He's the only dead hostile third party. Just as I update the vote count when a new town or scum dies, the death of another hostile third party would result in an update as well.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 15, 2012 12:38:44 GMT -5
At the moment it looks as if Peeks will be lynched by default.
I think I get what LightFoot wants to know from crys, why would biting the wrong person be bad for her? I don't get that either.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 12:41:32 GMT -5
Day 4 Vote Countpeekercpa (2 votes) - Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote gnarlycharlie (2 votes) - askthepizzaguy, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Lightfoot (2 votes) - Colby11, crys dizzymrslizzy (2 votes) - Meeko, Colby11 CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (2 votes) - gnarlycharlie, sinjin Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - Sister Coyote Inner Stickler (1 vote) - askthepizzaguy Merestil Haye (1 vote) - Lightfoot askthepizzaguy (1 vote) - Meeko BillMc (1 vote) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Meeko (1 vote) - dizzymrslizzy With these votes, peekercpa will be lynched.Day ends in ~24.5 hours. I think Gnarly's vote on Dizzy wasn't counted, though you did process his unvote of Mhaye.[/color] Muahahaha. Even the mod does not escape my poking.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 12:45:52 GMT -5
At the moment it looks as if Peeks will be lynched by default. I think I get what LightFoot wants to know from crys, why would biting the wrong person be bad for her? I don't get that either. Is this part of a case you're trying to build for lynching crys?
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 15, 2012 12:49:05 GMT -5
At the moment it looks as if Peeks will be lynched by default. I think I get what LightFoot wants to know from crys, why would biting the wrong person be bad for her? I don't get that either. Is this part of a case you're trying to build for lynching crys? No, it's just that I really don't understand her.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 15, 2012 13:47:50 GMT -5
I think Gnarly's vote on Dizzy wasn't counted, though you did process his unvote of Mhaye. [/color] Muahahaha. Even the mod does not escape my poking. [/quote] Gnarly didn't vote for Dizzy, Colby did. At least as far as I can tell?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 15, 2012 13:53:20 GMT -5
I don't see any votes from Gnarly for Day 4 except the one on cookies.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 13:54:47 GMT -5
Sorry, my bad. Apparently my peripheral vision parses redish books and redish creatures the same. :headsmack:
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 15, 2012 14:05:56 GMT -5
Back from vacation, unexpected houseguests over the weekend and getting caught up at work after my week off. Now to read the Day thread. thanks for keeping it to only 8 pages so far...
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 15, 2012 14:18:57 GMT -5
@Cookies -
Regarding your vote for BillMc:
Is it your contention that Bill, who
(1) knows that "if Bill isn't dead by Day Three he's probably Scum" has been something of a meme for many games now;
(2) further knows that any cases he makes will be analyzed carefully;
Is nonetheless deliberately lurking/posting mediocre content as a way of avoiding attention? If he is Scum, with perfect (well, not perfect, not in this game, but better-than-average) information, he could surely create some solid-seeming cases and even bus a team-mate or two.
I don't think this scenario sounds more likely than "Bill hasn't had a lot of time for this game." If you do, I'd like to know why.
You have been very enthusiastic (and generally, I should say, on the nose) about pointing out poor, "weaksauce" cases coming from other players... but you've voted for Bill on the weakest of sauces of all - the old standby meta-game "he's not playing like he usually does."
And yes, I think you're trying to scare the newbies and scare the veterans, into voting off a player for no particular reason other than the above.
vote Cometothedarksidewehavecookies
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That said, we will eventually have to contend with players who have posted relatively little content - and frankly, that includes me, though I intend to keep trying to rectify it in my own case. As always, I'm not sure what the appropriate approach to that is.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 14:24:23 GMT -5
My vote on Bill is a prod, I said as much when I voted him. The case that you're referring to that involved references to Bill was actually against Guiri, who sound like he was covering Bill or defending Bill which has less to do with Bill and much more to do with Guiri.
I suppose it goes without saying that I'm much more comfortable with picking at or defending things that have actually been said in the game than trying to keep heat off of those who are not participating. YMMV.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 14:25:07 GMT -5
And when I say Guiri I mean Gnarli.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 14:32:55 GMT -5
And Bill is flat out not playing, and that's why I'm proding him. Saying that I'm voting for him because he's not playing like he usually does is putting words in my mouth.
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Post by crys on Oct 15, 2012 14:53:15 GMT -5
Next: A question. What info do we want today? Scum, Town, Recruitable third parties? I think I know what I want, but I'd like to know what you (all) want. I might ignore you, but feel free to make a case to sway my opinion. Two options. 1. Number of Town. There's some uncertainty over whether Pleo and/or Wombat99 started Town or was recruited. A second snapshot of Town numbers might enable us to work it out by seeing how the number has changed. (It might not; we don't know what happened N3 and that might mask the answer. But it would give more data.) 2. Number of hostile Third Parties. That will give us an idea of the risk of letting a known third party run free. The downside is that these answers are useful to almost everybody, because they give data to both Town and Mafia (assuming that the Mafia also have to eliminate hostile third parties in addition to Town. Is that true for them individually or as a group? Post-Post Next: I want to lynch Ginger again. Also, if she comes up scum then I want to lynch storyteller. I still want to lynch crys too. I'd advise against lynching Ginger again right now. I'm aware of only one unlynchable role in the history of this little group (and another potential one, although that was never realised.) Both were Town. Also, both were / would have been unlynchable for the entirety of the game, not just as a one-off. Mafia-aligned Scotsmen have had very poor feedback. How an unlynchable Mafiate would be received can only be imagined. It's seriously gamebreaking if a Mafiate can be dealt with by only one role and that role is lost early on - basically the Town then cannot win no matter what they do. At this point I would support a lynch of Crys only if an investigation revealed her designation to be hostile. Which they ONLY way that would happen is if I bit someone. At some point I'm going to have to do that to advance my own wincon. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 15, 2012 15:01:54 GMT -5
Unvote M HayeI would rather see Lightfoot gone than M Haye at this point, because Lightfoot just seems off... I can't place my finger on it Vote DizzyLizzyI believe Meeko, but Meeko, could you please let us know who else you saw visit Peeker on Night 1? Believing Meeko and agreeing with his analysis are two very different things. I also believe that he saw what he says he saw. But I don't see much to support the conclusion he's come to about what he saw while dismissing a stack of other possibilities that I think also need to be considered. And that is not a defense of Dizzy. Well, dizzy is the only person that Meeko has given us, so I have to run with it. I can't read the pm that says "Dizzy, person x, y, z, and q all visited Peeker"
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 15, 2012 15:16:34 GMT -5
What you can do is question why Meeko is only outing dizzy.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 15:18:09 GMT -5
Believing Meeko and agreeing with his analysis are two very different things. I also believe that he saw what he says he saw. But I don't see much to support the conclusion he's come to about what he saw while dismissing a stack of other possibilities that I think also need to be considered. And that is not a defense of Dizzy. Well, dizzy is the only person that Meeko has given us, so I have to run with it. I can't read the pm that says "Dizzy, person x, y, z, and q all visited Peeker"[/quote How do you feel about the theory that there were as many as 3 killers who simultaneously killed Peeker, given that there was a muddy cluster of killing color used to describe his death? If you'll assume for a moment that is what happened, how do you feel about the probability of those three killers actually choosing Peeker as a target vs some redirector making that decision for them? If you assume that one of those three killers was a Town Vig, maybe even the one who was outed, would you want that Town Vig to claim in response to being outed by a Watcher or keep their role secret? Personally, I don't think Dizzy has the luxury not to claim, but I'd settle for a clear answer to my direct question of whether or not she did actually target Peeker with whatever Night 1 action she had. But apparently a bunch of people would rather try to pressure me to claim or lynch me rather than putting pressure on either Dizzy or Meeko for more information which is just about the most mind-bogglingly idiotic display of bad play that I think I've ever seen.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 15:22:24 GMT -5
there seems to be some odd dynamics going on. if the vote stands it will the second game in a row that i get lynched for editing. i really think you folks need to either move your votes to me since i am going to die, again, anyways or reach a better concensus. and i don't want to pollute the unassailable logic that people are using for their votes so i think i will hold on to mine for just a wee bit longer.
but if i had to stack rank them it would be:
meeko for nailing dizzy. seems like a watcher should have seen all not just one.
dizzy for being in my room with no apparant good explanation
cookies because i have to be consistent
story because the bastard has slipped off my radar. always, and i mean always, a very bad mistake to make.
and i probably round out my top five with inner. there is something there (call it a sumdge or maybe even a snuggle) that i can't quite put my finger on.
and if there has to be a 5b then it's pizza.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 15:26:07 GMT -5
Which they ONLY way that would happen is if I bit someone. At some point I'm going to have to do that to advance my own wincon. <snipped> i don't know whether to laugh, cry or just go hmmm about this. so you decided to hole up last Night to prove how ever so non hostile you are, right? now the gloves are off since to keep doing so fails to advance your wincon, right? do you only get to bite every certain number of cycles or are you sybil?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 15, 2012 15:31:00 GMT -5
But apparently a bunch of people would rather try to pressure me to claim or lynch me rather than putting pressure on either Dizzy or Meeko for more information which is just about the most mind-bogglingly idiotic display of bad play that I think I've ever seen. <snipped> whatever you decide is best. i still think meeko should come forward to who the heck else was there because i haven't seen it although it sure seems inferred. also, dizzy needs to either call meeko a liar or explain what the heck she was up to. see, cookies sometimes we do actually agree on shit. doesn't exonerate you in my books, however. also, i kind of wonder what the bid was for the merc last Night. certainly that person has got to be shitting bullets at this point.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 15:31:19 GMT -5
Peeker - I think the only voting hi-jinx at play is that you were the 'first' player to reach two votes because you're carrying penalty votes and penalty votes are applied first.
And I'm pretty sure if we had another vote count right now that I'd be the one to be lynched.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 15, 2012 15:37:00 GMT -5
I certainly hope not, cookies.
I tell you, peeker, you and I are almost completely at odds this game, because in my reading of things I'm on the side of being pretty sure that cookies, story, and pizza can be trusted. No further than I can throw any of them, of course, but still.
vote: Meeko
And because I'm happy with my vote on burby, too, I'm only going to FOS lizzy.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 15, 2012 15:43:11 GMT -5
<snipped> i don't know whether to laugh, cry or just go hmmm about this. so you decided to hole up last Night to prove how ever so non hostile you are, right? now the gloves are off since to keep doing so fails to advance your wincon, right? do you only get to bite every certain number of cycles or are you sybil? THIS IS WHY I DON'T GET CRYS Either crys works with town and sacrifices her wincon or she goes after her wincon and dies. Those are the options I see for her. Vote: dizzy I want to know more about what's going on and I think dizzy has some answers.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 15:56:10 GMT -5
Either crys works with town and sacrifices her wincon or she goes after her wincon and dies. Those are the options I see for her. I don't think we really have to worry about crys yet, but I think she a) claimed too clumsily (and arguably too early) and dug herself into a bit of a hole b) got bullied by a Hostile KidV into digging herself even further into an unwinnable hole and can't get herself out of it I don't really grok the argument that she's more or less helpful to Town whether or not she stays in her room though it gives her no benefit of the doubt. The only way (assuming she's thruthful) that she could mess with Town is by causing an investigator to mis-read her. If there are any investigators left, or someone wins the Merc investigation, I hope they're looking at some other potential information to glean about people who haven't claimed instead of futzing with crys.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 15, 2012 15:59:13 GMT -5
The only thing that staying in her room does is eliminate a variable from the puzzle.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 15, 2012 16:05:16 GMT -5
I wish I had some answers for you there Inner.....but I've pretty much shared everything I know already if you look for it.
To answer Gnarly bluntly, yes I softclaimed.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 16:06:17 GMT -5
Unvote Bill and Gnarly[/color] Vote Dizzy[/color] until she at least answers some questions or claims.
I don't want to vote for Meeko, but I have some significant reservations as decisions he has apparently made.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 15, 2012 16:07:36 GMT -5
I wish I had some answers for you there Inner.....but I've pretty much shared everything I know already if you look for it. To answer Gnarly bluntly, yes I softclaimed. Was Peeker your Night 1 target?
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