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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2012 0:31:54 GMT -5
Dizzy lied, she dies.
End of story for me
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2012 0:34:36 GMT -5
Though I could get behind an Inner lynch. Someone stated that they were unrecruitable, so I could go that direction too...
It's all going to be a guessing game, I think
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 0:42:41 GMT -5
Though I could get behind an Inner lynch. Someone stated that they were unrecruitable, so I could go that direction too... It's all going to be a guessing game, I think Ya think? Also, good synchronicity with your sig there.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 16, 2012 0:55:50 GMT -5
Meeko, do you have any knowledge of what you would be told if the player you chose to watch is killed by Scum?
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2012 1:13:29 GMT -5
Though I could get behind an Inner lynch. Someone stated that they were unrecruitable, so I could go that direction too... It's all going to be a guessing game, I think Ya think? Also, good synchronicity with your sig there. Completely unplanned, and thanks.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2012 1:14:53 GMT -5
Meeko, do you have any knowledge of what you would be told if the player you chose to watch is killed by Scum? It depends on if scum has to choose who performs the kill. Could be that either A- Meeko sees scum player Bob kill Jane, or B- Meeko sees no one, and scum player Bob still kills Jane
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 16, 2012 1:21:29 GMT -5
So we are back to what happened on N1, what are the odds that so many players would visit peeks? I didn't mean to visit him but that's what happened.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 16, 2012 2:01:30 GMT -5
Dizzy lied, she dies.
End of story for me Call it an inability to wake up fast if you will, but please explain to me why recent posts demonstrate that she lied, so I can grasp what I missed - or alternatively, that you missed. So we are back to what happened on N1, what are the odds that so many players would visit peeks? I didn't mean to visit him but that's what happened. Silver Jan, you meed to be a bit more forthcoming than that, now. I think at least a statement of your power in general terms and who you meant to visit are necessary. Also, why did you post in Day 1?
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 16, 2012 2:03:48 GMT -5
Vote Mahaloth I am also voting him because he said he was going to kill someone on N1. That just gave me goosebumps. With so little information he wants to kill someone and that person would most likely be Town. I will make a Townie-sided kill to the best of my suspicion This is a horrible idea, why would you do this? You have a one-shot kill, and you're going to expend it firing into a crowd rather than wait until you have a decent read on someone? I can't believe that a desire to help Town win is motivating this behavior. Vote mahaloth i don't understand this line of reasoning. how many times have we had games that have had true vigs and didn't blink an eyelash when they killed a player every Night. now you're complaining about one kill? the words sound townie but inconsistent with previous games. Vote Silver JanVote KidVermiciousVoting for players that seem to Townie and then wanting the Vig to shoot in the dark? i think it's pretty obvious that the gastard part is that majority of us are 3rd party. i bet Pollux is either having fun at our expense or teaching us a lesson after the debacle of Arkham 2. probably both. ;D as a board we are trigger-happy when it comes to 3rd parties. i don't agree but i am in the minority. at any rate it really makes claiming 3rd party a risky proposition. that's why i'm surprised crys claimed. she's putting herself in harm's way. i'm chalking it up to her relative newness to the game. i'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. it would fit the gastard theme if a mad bomber was non-hostile. i'm not sure what to make of Ginger's claim. her admission to editing her PM aside, why would a townie admit in a game where there are, if we believe Red Skeezix, are in a minority? she just put herself in the crosshairs of the scum. perhaps Scathach was able to protect Ginger as the former would be a strange target for scum. perhaps Scathach was a vig kill. she fits the profile of a vig kill especially after Pizza encouraged the vig to shoot an inactive. that could mean that the scum target was protected by Scathach or another protector. it could also mean that there are no scum. however going down that road leads to madness. i believe that if there are 3rd parties, there are two other, town and scum. so it leads back to Ginger. why is she alive? does scum hope we will lynch her? with so few townies, i'd think scum would take her out especially since the Doc was killed. Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color][/quote] This post pings the hell out of me, if he thought scum wanted Town to lynch Ginger, why vote for her? Gnarly- What does 'making waves' mean? Then we can get to the discussion as to whether I'm making any and whether making them are not falls in the suspect, pro-town, or null tell area of the spectrum of play. I also find your post regarding Bill to be interesting. For me, it isn't the low number of posts from Bill that are disconcerting. It is the lack of substance to the few that he's made. This is Bill we're talking about. He can see through a game set up a mile away, and often quite early in the game. Now perhaps he's just not finding his usual insightful grip on things this game, but trying to pass it off as a null tell smacks of you trying to casually cover his ass. And that's enough to get the juices flowing for now. Vote Gnarly Vote Bill A poke at Bill, and we'll see if Gnarly makes good on his smear and can build a case against me. I say he can't and I'm calling his bluff. voting me for saying you're suspicious? smear? you disagree that scum doesn't pursue such tactics? making waves is saying something controversial, critically discussed and potentially voted for. you're in my list of suspicious not necessarily scummy players. you could well believe you have a great power and are trying to lie low. your response is overboard. too defensive. you're moving up. furthermore, your memory about Bill seems foggy. you stopped playing for a while so you might think what you remember of him is still the same. i've played with Bill in about a dozen games here, on the Geeb and Facebook, i believe. he does this ALL the time. check past games for yourself. we all praise his scumhunting but saying he can "spot a setup a mile away" is too much. smacks of snuggling. Vote: Cookies [/color] oh my OMGUS!!! nice touch voting me in case i actually voted you. i didn't even say i would make a case. i was just going to reread your posts. now, you've given me ammo with this post and incentive for me to really make a case against you.[/quote] This post looks as if he is making a case when there isn't a case there, it's really just a vote. This just looks scummy to me or at the very least hostile 3rd Party. Vote gnarlycharlie
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 16, 2012 2:06:36 GMT -5
Dizzy lied, she dies.
End of story for me Call it an inability to wake up fast if you will, but please explain to me why recent posts demonstrate that she lied, so I can grasp what I missed - or alternatively, that you missed. So we are back to what happened on N1, what are the odds that so many players would visit peeks? I didn't mean to visit him but that's what happened. Silver Jan, you meed to be a bit more forthcoming than that, now. I think at least a statement of your power in general terms and who you meant to visit are necessary. Also, why did you post in Day 1? Because I'm an idiot I was doing multiple quotes and I'm not too good at that. I visited gnarly with the intention of trying to recruit him but was sent to peeks instead.
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Post by BillMc on Oct 16, 2012 2:10:58 GMT -5
Sorry folks, my travel/work schedule has gone nuts, and looks like it will get even worse - trans atlantic day trips urghhh. I haven't had time for an indepth read/analysis. Meeko I'd love to hear your logic as to why out of the three folk you saw visit Peeker, Dizzy was the one you decided was the killer? So if we assume Dizzy is a tracker - and with a lack of deaths on N1, and with two deaths other nights, then we have two night killers, so it is quite likely both these are our killers - one scum, one town or 3rd Vote: Inner Stickler Vote: Silver Jan So we are back to what happened on N1, what are the odds that so many players would visit peeks? I didn't mean to visit him but that's what happened. I visited gnarly with the intention of trying to recruit him but was sent to peeks instead. So you, like colby are claiming recruiter - let me guess, like colby you don't know if you are successful yadda yadda yadda. And if you are claiming you were redirected to peeker, and your original target was gnarly -- why are you now voting gnarly? your reasoning is weak.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 16, 2012 2:20:03 GMT -5
unvote all unvote all
Just to be sure
Vote Silver Jan Vote Inner Stickler
I think we can wagon these two. All aboards.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 16, 2012 2:20:16 GMT -5
Because I'm an idiot I was doing multiple quotes and I'm not too good at that. Ah, a slip of the brain. Had them myself. Glad you've put it in this thread too. I visited gnarly with the intention of trying to recruit him but was sent to peeks instead. Recruiter, eh? Who for? That claim will need a little fleshing out.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 2:22:44 GMT -5
Sorry folks, my travel/work schedule has gone nuts, and looks like it will get even worse - trans atlantic day trips urghhh. I haven't had time for an indepth read/analysis. Meeko I'd love to hear your logic as to why out of the three folk you saw visit Peeker, Dizzy was the one you decided was the killer? So if we assume Dizzy is a tracker - and with a lack of deaths on N1, and with two deaths other nights, then we have two night killers, so it is quite likely both these are our killers - one scum, one town or 3rd So we are back to what happened on N1, what are the odds that so many players would visit peeks? I didn't mean to visit him but that's what happened. I visited gnarly with the intention of trying to recruit him but was sent to peeks instead. So you, like colby are claiming recruiter - let me guess, like colby you don't know if you are successful yadda yadda yadda. And if you are claiming you were redirected to peeker, and your original target was gnarly -- why are you now voting gnarly? your reasoning is weak. I'm going to outright second what COOKIES said. You guys are skimming everything. I made my case on my dizzy vote, and I recently posted it again verbatim.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 16, 2012 2:22:59 GMT -5
Also, Dizzymrslizzy is not scanned but the two masons would not mind seeing her die tonight, if you have no one better.
Town vig.
We have nothing on her but big question marks, but it's making us uneasy. If you prefer, don't kill her and we'll get her checked out.
I'll tag her tonight regardless.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 16, 2012 2:24:04 GMT -5
Just to clarify, if you kill her, it won't be a waste of our time at all. We can always scan someone else.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 16, 2012 2:42:46 GMT -5
I did a quick search of Silver Jan's posts to see how often she mentioned suspicion of Colby. I found four posts in her last 50 that even mentioned him, and none really looked slantwise at him. I'm going to ignore 309; she's quoting me quoting Colby, not quoting or referring to him directly. D03.214 notes Colby's claim and hopes there's a protector for him. D03.350 Jan wonders why Colby didn't count votes before he soft claimed. D03.354 Jan doesn't want to lynch him. I find these notable, not because of their context at the time - they're all very reasonable, Townie things to say. But, once Jan made a claim of recruitment capability you have to ask why she wasn't more suspicious of Colby. If she (SJ) is a Town aligned recruiter, wouldn't you expect her to be suspicious of a second claimed Town-aligned recruiter? I would be. But she's not - at least not in print. My conclusion is that either SJ is lying about her intention in visiting Gnarlycharlie, or she's a recruiter for a non-Town team. Vote: Silver Jan I'm only voting for Silver Jan because I'd rather have her lynched Today than Inner S. I can't, unfortunately, spare the time to research him now, and I'll not get home much before Nightfall unless I leave the office early.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 16, 2012 2:53:32 GMT -5
I'm going to outright second what COOKIES said. You guys are skimming everything. I made my case on my dizzy vote, and I recently posted it again verbatim. You didn't really make enough of a case. Basically, you failed to show your work. It's reasonable to say "Some number of players visited the dead man that Night. I've looked at them all and only one has said things I find suspicious." You didn't. You gave every impression that you had not even thought about whether any of the other players could have killed peeker. The talk of the Nexus reminded me of the last Halloween game, where Storyteller had the ability to make another player a Nexus for a particular kind of ability - kills, protections, investigations and roleblocks (I'm not sure about that last but there were four.) The game was modded by four of us, including Pollux himself and Mr. Blockey, Pollux's design consultant for this game. It's certainly worthy of a space in a hall of fame game. That would suggest that any or all of the people visiting peeker were killers. One of them has to have planted the lure, which would give us 1 to 3 killers. I'm inclined to accept Meeko's list as Silver Jan didn't deny visiting peeker.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 3:12:19 GMT -5
Peeker was decapitated, frozen and broken up, and had stuff oozing out of his ears. I really think that indicates three kills.
If you extrapolate that someone who could slice someone form groin to ear could also decapitate someone, then there is evidence that three killers were in Peeker's room are killers. Unless you consider the possibility that the Merc was involved, which I admit I had neglected to consider, and that complicates things further.
So far, we have Dizzy denying that she did anything violent, but (assuming that Meeko is being truthful) that could indicate Dizzy is lying. I think (though I can't be sure) that may be the lying that Colby was referring to earlier. If that isn't what Colby meant, then I also would like him to clarify.
Silver Jan hasn't admitted to being a killer, but she did state that Peeker was not her intended target that night. So Silver Jan, did you try to kill someone else besides Peeker on Night 1?
Inner: Do you admit to being a killer? Did you try to kill Peeker on Night 1?
If the Town Vig is one of the three people that Meeko saw, it kinda sucks, but I don't know that we're going to be able to choose correctly unless the Vig claims in that situation.
Didn't KidV have the Merc on Night 1? It is entirely possible that he killed with the Merc instead of protecting like he said he did, and the Merc's kill was one of the things redirected to Peeker.
So yeah...I think we have at least 2 killers in hand, and possibly 3. We just have to choose wisely.
Dizzy's claim isn't sitting well with me the more I think about it. She keeps throwing stuff out as afterthoughts and still hasn't made a full claim. The information that she Tracked Parzival who visited Bill could be a gambit to try and deflect attention from Bill. The fact that Bill has chosen to vote for the two other folks and not Dizzy is an additional datapoint there. I think a Townie Bill would be treading much more cautiously in such a situation where we are now suddenly clogged with information that needs to be carefully weighed.
We also may be able to figure out which of the killing styles most likely belong to the Scum or the Merc or the Vig, etc.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 3:19:09 GMT -5
Mhaye, what do you mean that one of them had to have planted the lure?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 16, 2012 3:24:29 GMT -5
Dammit Meeko. Thanks for the neutering.
I had no intention of killing Peeker, although it may have been just as well since I went after Red the first night.
Yes, I'm the vig and I have the freeze ray, the canterbury knives and jokerangs.
Vote: Silver Jan
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 16, 2012 3:27:34 GMT -5
Night 1:Red because why not but redirected to Peeker. Night 2: Scathach, the only player who hadn't posted and ATPG asked for me to kill a nonposter. Night3: Parzival because it seemed like the quickest way to solve the gordian knot.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 3:35:45 GMT -5
Third Party ? Peeker's death color at Day 2 Dawn: "It seemed he had been frozen and shattered into many, many pieces. His decapitated head lay on the bed, his brain melting out his ears."
Guiri the Town Doc's death color at Dusk of Night 3: "stabbed in the back when he least expected it."
Third Party NonHostile Scathach the Peacekeeper's death color at Day 3 Dawn: "Scathach's body was frozen and broken into several pieces, leaving it very clear that she had been the target of foul play last night."
wombatt99 the Townie Peacekeeper's death color at Day 3 Dawn: "A large, vertical slice opened the body from neck to groin. In addition, they determined the stench was from the can of shark repellant shoved into wombat's mouth, the gas having emptied into the locked room."
Parzival the Scum's death color at Day 4 Dawn: "just like previous nights, had been frozen and shattered into several pieces."
KidV the Third Party Hostile's death color at Day 4 Dawn: "his brain leaking out his ears"
Assuming no one counter-claims Inner, nice shooting on Parzival!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 3:42:30 GMT -5
Further thoughts and corrections. Guiri flipped on the Dusk of Night 2, not Night 3, my bad.
So the brain-melter didn't make a kill on Night 2, and that was the Night that Guiri the Town Doc had won the Merc. I'd be willing to bet that the brain-melter is the Merc given Inner's claim.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 3:44:55 GMT -5
Hit reply too soon. And that would indicate that the scum to be the ones slicing and stabbing people.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 16, 2012 3:48:36 GMT -5
I wonder where they were then this Morning.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 4:01:11 GMT -5
Yeah that is a good point. Maybe it is too risky to try and read too much into the kill color just yet.
Another thing to consider, though I don't know if we have the time to arrange it, is to spread the votes out to flush out or possibly lynch whoever won the Merc last Night.
If this conjecture pans out and the Merc was a killing force on Peeker (and no one counter-claims Inner), then either Silver Jan or Dizzy were in Peeker's vicinity non-violently, but heck if I know which one to believe and it would really suck if we lynched the wrong one.
Nabbing the Merc winner instead might buy us the time to make a more informed decision, but it would also leave us exposed to late day voting hi-jinx if we try to keep the number of votes on the lynchee too low, since only the Mod and the Merc winner (and possibly his/her compatriots) know how many votes it took to win the bid.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 16, 2012 6:47:38 GMT -5
Well with inner's confession:
vote dizzy vote Jan
Just to be clear, I cant find out how many masons there are, and I cant find out how many hostile TP's there are.
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Post by crys on Oct 16, 2012 7:19:35 GMT -5
unvote Lightfoot
Vote Dizzymrslizzy Vote: Silver Jan
ok these cases make sense off to work so my votes will stick no matter what happens.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 16, 2012 7:39:42 GMT -5
Vote: Inner
I just haven't believed you all game and I think I've voted for you every day so far. So I'm going to keep it there until we learn a little more about Jan. I think both of you may have been killing in Peekers room N1.
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