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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 11:12:13 GMT -5
Meeko,
Is it safe for us to assume you have no information that can be of any help to us from Nights 2 and 3?
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 16, 2012 11:12:34 GMT -5
Doesn't a back up usually come to power when the origional is killed? Yes, that's generally the case. And last I checked, Colby was still alive and well. Jan, you should have claimed to be a second recruiter, or a 'weak' recruiter (whatever that would be), but a backup when the original is still active just doesn't add up. unvote Cookies vote Silver Jan Doesn't "not as powerful as" rather mean weaker?
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 16, 2012 11:12:42 GMT -5
I’m playing catch up like a 3 legged dog I didn’t post much with my last vote- since I pooched the time of EOD last time I wanted to get something on paper As I type this I think we have a bit less than 2 hours left.
In light of the reveals and SJ’s poor defense I’ve placed my vote there. Given the short notice to claim Jan’s defense is the weakest *she was redirected *she was trying to recruit GC *she’s a back up recruiter –weaker than Colby – but active N1
It appears that 3 players were re-directed to Peeker N1 ( right) Why those three? I’m sure others went wandering N1. Another point I read where the winning merc vote is >6 how does that sit with the current vote rush? I’m going back to look
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2012 11:13:37 GMT -5
Dizzy lied, she dies. End of story for me Where did she lie, as far as we know at this point? I believe MHaye asked this question as well. Let's say Meeko is a watcher and tracker Would it make sense for Dizzy to be a tracker herself? Setup wise- only makes sense if one of them is scum
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2012 11:14:40 GMT -5
Jan- give us some meat.. Like a role pm
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 11:22:58 GMT -5
Yes, that's generally the case. And last I checked, Colby was still alive and well. Jan, you should have claimed to be a second recruiter, or a 'weak' recruiter (whatever that would be), but a backup when the original is still active just doesn't add up. unvote Cookies vote Silver Jan Doesn't "not as powerful as" rather mean weaker? Yes, I suppose it does. But you also intimated that you were Colby's Backup, which flies in the face of all Mafia convention. And of course you still haven't actually claimed anything except that you intended to recruit gnarly. If you'd like to make an actual, concrete claim, then perhaps we can evaluate you based on that. Until that time, we have only your half-truths and evasive statements to go by, none of which inspire confidence.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 16, 2012 11:24:48 GMT -5
Don't be absurd. They inspire much confidence in me. Specifically, in my vote to lynch her.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 11:28:46 GMT -5
Where did she lie, as far as we know at this point? I believe MHaye asked this question as well. Let's say Meeko is a watcher and tracker Would it make sense for Dizzy to be a tracker herself? Setup wise- only makes sense if one of them is scum OK, I see where you're coming from. I do think the terseness of your statement makes it come across a bit overly confident (almost askthepizzaguy-like), since it's still possible that Meeko is either lying or was misinformed, but I understand your meaning now.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 11:36:24 GMT -5
I’m playing catch up like a 3 legged dog I didn’t post much with my last vote- since I pooched the time of EOD last time I wanted to get something on paper As I type this I think we have a bit less than 2 hours left. In light of the reveals and SJ’s poor defense I’ve placed my vote there. Given the short notice to claim Jan’s defense is the weakest *she was redirected *she was trying to recruit GC *she’s a back up recruiter –weaker than Colby – but active N1 It appears that 3 players were re-directed to Peeker N1 ( right) Why those three? I’m sure others went wandering N1. Another point I read where the winning merc vote is >6 how does that sit with the current vote rush? I’m going back to look I make the vote count Silver Jan - 12 dizzymrslizzy - 10 Inner Stickler - 3 peekercpa - 2 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - 2 Suburban Plankton - 1 Merestil Haye - 1 gnarlycharlie - 1 askthepizzaguy - 1 Meeko - 1 So unless somebody bid at least 9 on the Merc, it's probably not going to be a factor Today. As for the redirects to peeker on Night 1, the obvious answer (which may or may not be the correct one) is that only Killing roles were redirected. What remains to be answered is who redirected them. peeker hasn't claimed to have done so (though I don't believe he has claimed otherwise either), so who did? peeker, did you cause people to be redirected to you on Night 1?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 16, 2012 11:40:33 GMT -5
unvote cookies vote silver jan none of her explanations make sense and she hasn't been "flakey" all game. this made me smile. flakey jan. i'd forgotten about that. ------------------------ so it appears there was some power that directed people towards peeker. the color suggests there were three types of kills, likely the vig, scum and merc kills. since Inner has claimed vig, that leaves Silver Jan and dizzymrslizzy. the former has claimed tracker. she might be scum but peeker coroborates her claim that he did nothing. that leaves Silver Jan. her claim is very suspicious since there is already a claimed recruiter that is still alive. Vote: Silver Jan
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 16, 2012 11:47:37 GMT -5
Who said something about a nexus on Day 2? Now that conversation makes a bit of sense as to why it popped up
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:00:01 GMT -5
Who said something about a nexus on Day 2? Now that conversation makes a bit of sense as to why it popped up Inner Stickler said in Post 12 of Day 2 "The description of his body and the number of reallys in the purple text put me in mind of a nexus ability." That was the first mention of it.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:05:39 GMT -5
Here are a bunch of notes I've been making about the various types of deaths we've seen so far, trying to figure out who did what. Do with them what you will... Deaths and descriptions:N1peeker - It seemed he had been frozen and shattered into many, many pieces. His decapitated head lay on the bed, his brain melting out his ears. D2guiri - a large sword sticking out of his back. N2Scathatch - Scathach's body was frozen and broken into several pieces, Wombat99 - A large, vertical slice opened the body from neck to groin. In addition, they determined the stench was from the can of shark repellent shoved into wombat's mouth, the gas having emptied into the locked room. N3Parzival - Parzival's body, just like previous nights, had been frozen and shattered into several pieces. KidVermicious - he was just lying there, his brain leaking out his ears So we seem to have 6 possible causes of death, though it may be as few as 4: "frozen and shattered" peeker, Scathach, and Parzival - Inner Stickler has claimed these kills "decapitated" peeker "brain melted" peeker and KidV "sword in back" guiri (the only Day kill) "sliced open" Wombat "shark repellent" Wombat I thought at first that possibly peeker's head being decapitated and his brain leaking from his ears were the result of a single kill, but since there's no mention of KidV having been decapitated, I'm now thinking that those were discrete events, meaning that there were three separate attacks on peeker. It's possible that guiri (killed by a sword in the back) and Wombat99 (sliced from neck to groin) were killed by the same person, or it could be that those are two different signatures. Also, it does look like Wombat was killed by two different people, assuming that a can of shark repellent in the mouth would have been fatal on its own. Assuming the Scum killed every Night, then we're looking at something like this: N1peeker killed by Vig (Inner) peeker killed by Scum peeker killed by Merc/Other D2guiri killed by N2Scathach killed by Vig (Inner) Wombat killed by Scum Wombat killed by Merc/Other N3Parzival killed by Vig (Inner) KidV killed by Scum If we assume the "brain melting" is the Scum signature, then there was no Merc kill last Night. If the "brain melting" is the Merc signature, then there was no Scum kill last Night, and the Merc did not kill Wombat on Night 2, meaning he was killed by Scum and "someone else". Who Day-killed guiri? If the "sword in back" and the "sliced open" kills are both from the Merc, then that could explain guiri, but if the Merc killed on Day 2 then I don't think he could have killed on Night 2 as well, so we need another explanation for Womabt's second attacker. So those kills must be from different attackers. I think that there are other killing roles in this game. Mahaloth had a one-shot kill; there may well be others with similar abilities. Or, it could be that the Scum had a one-time second kill. And of course I haven't considered redirects (other than Night 1), blocks, protections, or any other methods by which a killer might wind up not killing his intended target.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:07:53 GMT -5
More thoughts on the Merc...
I think there is some gastardliness here, because I'm not sure if the Merc is just an NPC and a mechanic in our little spaceship of doom, or if perhaps the Merc is a role that someone is playing, but I'm again going to suggest that as tempting as it is to think that all three people caught were killers (I was chugging that koolaid myself until late last night when I started thinking about the Merc more) there may be more variables at work here and making too many assumptions and not being vigilant might expose our flank.
In the Night 0 post, Pollux the Gastard says this about the Merc:
It is stated explicitly that the Merc goes and does things at the winner's behalf, which could indicate that (assuming the Merc was a killing factor for Peeker on Night 1) whoever wielded the Merc on Night 1 (KidV) would not be implicated in the killing if it were witnessed, as it apparently was.
There is an inference that the Merc has free will, but only in the case of a tie. I think this could be Gastard-speak for a mod coin flip and not necessarily indicative of a player in Merc's clothing.
There is an explicit that the Merc is 'alive' which infers that the Merc can be killed, but I also think that could be Gastard-speak for some other sort of Mod puppet strings on the Merc, so to speak.
And lastly, just the idea of a role where you don't have free will and have to do other people's killing just seems like a really crappy role to get stuck with.
In conclusion, if we assume that the Merc is a mechanic and not a role, then we may have only caught 2 killers red-handed instead of 3 and having only two votes between Silver Jan (my #1 suspect at this point) and Dizzy leaves an opportunity for a vote swing toward someone who happened to be in Peeker's room non-violently.
What do y'all think wrt the Merc?
Scenario A: The Merc is a role, and one of the people
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 16, 2012 12:09:55 GMT -5
Who said something about a nexus on Day 2? Now that conversation makes a bit of sense as to why it popped up Inner Stickler said in Post 12 of Day 2 "The description of his body and the number of reallys in the purple text put me in mind of a nexus ability." That was the first mention of it. And now claims Vig where did he pull the nexus idea from? (it would not have occurred to me) Was it a flash from the frustration of being re-directed? Or did he have some other info?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:12:00 GMT -5
Scratch that last line, it was from an earlier draft of the post and I didn't see it left over in the dinky quick reply window.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:14:41 GMT -5
Inner Stickler said in Post 12 of Day 2 "The description of his body and the number of reallys in the purple text put me in mind of a nexus ability." That was the first mention of it. And now claims Vig where did he pull the nexus idea from? (it would not have occurred to me) Was it a flash from the frustration of being re-directed? Or did he have some other info? His freeze ray kill didn't go where he intended it, and the body was described as having been killed in ways other than just his freeze ray. It isn't that much of a leap for him to make.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 16, 2012 12:17:47 GMT -5
And now claims Vig where did he pull the nexus idea from? (it would not have occurred to me) Was it a flash from the frustration of being re-directed? Or did he have some other info? His freeze ray kill didn't go where he intended it, and the body was described as having been killed in ways other than just his freeze ray. It isn't that much of a leap for him to make. Granted -hence my frustration reference- From my personal POV I would never have thought of a nexus- wasn't completely sure what one was when introduced so the second part
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 16, 2012 12:20:57 GMT -5
peeker, did you cause people to be redirected to you on Night 1? <snipped> no.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:21:04 GMT -5
A couple other things from the "Stuff we choose to believe for no really good reason"
peeker claims that if he keeps getting killed, he'll keep coming back. Ginger claims she can't be lynched, ever.
We've tested both of these claims once, but there's no particular reason to believe that either of them would survive a second time.
Ginger claimed at first to be Third-Party, then to be Town. peeker has never claimed an alignment, a designation, or anything else beyond a name, and we were given no additional information during the brief time he was dead.
I'm not advocating that we test either of these claims Today, but they do both make be a bit uneasy.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 16, 2012 12:22:12 GMT -5
Inner Stickler said in Post 12 of Day 2 "The description of his body and the number of reallys in the purple text put me in mind of a nexus ability." That was the first mention of it. And now claims Vig where did he pull the nexus idea from? (it would not have occurred to me) Was it a flash from the frustration of being re-directed? Or did he have some other info? the nexus has been used in the past. i saw it last in the Dope.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 16, 2012 12:22:20 GMT -5
But I am familiar with them so it's more likely that I'd think of it and you wouldn't.
And it would have had to be a killing specific redirect. Otherwise either someone chose people to redirect and somehow managed to get 3 different killing roles by chance or else the redirect would have caught guiri's doc protect, for example, and peeker would have been fine.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:22:21 GMT -5
peeker, did you cause people to be redirected to you on Night 1? <snipped> no. Great Og! I can hardly believe my eyes...someone actually gave a direct and precise answer to a question in this game!
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 12:26:04 GMT -5
Meeko, Is it safe for us to assume you have no information that can be of any help to us from Nights 2 and 3? While I am a tracker and watcher combo, I have so far only decided to watch. My targets for night 2 and 3 are still alive.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:27:27 GMT -5
But I am familiar with them so it's more likely that I'd think of it and you wouldn't. And it would have had to be a killing specific redirect. Otherwise either someone chose people to redirect and somehow managed to get 3 different killing roles by chance or else the redirect would have caught guiri's doc protect, for example, and peeker would have been fine. You are probably correct here, but it is possible that certain actions were given priority, rather than all actions occurring simultaneously. Although, it would surprise me if a kill took precedence over a protection. Speaking of protections, how do you know that guiri protected peeker that Night?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:27:27 GMT -5
Ginger claimed at first to be Third-Party, then to be Town. peeker has never claimed an alignment, a designation, or anything else beyond a name, and we were given no additional information during the brief time he was dead. Peeker flipped as Third Party. We just don't know which flavor.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 16, 2012 12:27:42 GMT -5
i thought kidv allegedly protected himself with the merc power.
and i know this is magic baggy. but i have every reason to believe that the merc is an additional power granted to the highest bidder and not a specific person in this game.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:28:46 GMT -5
Inner,
So far you have chosen to kill three times with the Freeze Ray. Is there a particular reason you haven't used the Canterbury Knives or the Jokerangs?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 16, 2012 12:29:41 GMT -5
A couple other things from the "Stuff we choose to believe for no really good reason" peeker claims that if he keeps getting killed, he'll keep coming back. Ginger claims she can't be lynched, ever. We've tested both of these claims once, but there's no particular reason to believe that either of them would survive a second time. Ginger claimed at first to be Third-Party, then to be Town. peeker has never claimed an alignment, a designation, or anything else beyond a name, and we were given no additional information during the brief time he was dead. I'm not advocating that we test either of these claims Today, but they do both make be a bit uneasy. I never claimed to be Third Party. I always stated that I am town and you can lynch me all you would like. I am telling the truth.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 12:30:58 GMT -5
i thought kidv allegedly protected himself with the merc power. and i know this is magic baggy. but i have every reason to believe that the merc is an additional power granted to the highest bidder and not a specific person in this game. So the merc is NOT a second person, but ..... What could be seen as a .... Personality / identity of the same person. DID / Multiple Personality. This coming from the player who has consistently stated he is two people..... One of which is a merc.
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