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Nov 30, 2012 14:37:37 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Nov 30, 2012 14:37:37 GMT -5
Basically I believe him, and although we're not on the same team, I doubt he's CE which is who I need to lynch.
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Nov 30, 2012 14:38:02 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Nov 30, 2012 14:38:02 GMT -5
Wow that's on a whole new page. These pages are small. Also, I need to finish my thoughts in a single post.
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Nov 30, 2012 15:00:10 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 30, 2012 15:00:10 GMT -5
Basically I believe him, and although we're not on the same team, I doubt he's CE which is who I need to lynch. this means you believe he isn't Town?
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Nov 30, 2012 15:29:00 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Nov 30, 2012 15:29:00 GMT -5
Basically I believe him, and although we're not on the same team, I doubt he's CE which is who I need to lynch. this means you believe he isn't Town? I don't think I can be any clearer, but I'll try. I do NOT think peeker is chaotic and evil. I do think we need to lynch those who are. Therefore I'm not voting for him. This is as simple as simple can get.
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Nov 30, 2012 15:31:52 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Nov 30, 2012 15:31:52 GMT -5
Okay well the good news my friends, is I can now devote 100% of my free time to this game. Should make my life a LOT simpler! (although I am sad as well )
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Nov 30, 2012 16:00:45 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 30, 2012 16:00:45 GMT -5
<snipped> actually it was NAF and mhaye. yeh, i was on the scum team but was just along for the ride for that bout of madness. My mistake - sorry! Still - if you know Pizza is not on your team and you told as all so. Doesn't it wonder you why he's not voting you? perhaps he may have an inkling that our wincons are not dissimilar.
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Nov 30, 2012 16:05:10 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 30, 2012 16:05:10 GMT -5
If I don't think Peeker is Chaotic Evil, then why would I vote for him? Either one of the other two factions are potential allies. You're not thinking this through very carefully, Total. He's a far better lynch than a lawful good, yeah, but my philosophy is to lynch scum if I can, not necessarily the least bad lynch. I want the most good lynch, not the least bad lynch. Besides, killing everyone whose alignment I can deduce reduces my ability to solve the game. Shooting an unknown is more advantageous. said better and clearer than i. but i don't get down with the the unknown statement. that just feels like i will random in a smaller pool (which i know you folks know i don't like random). my two cents.
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Nov 30, 2012 16:38:55 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 30, 2012 16:38:55 GMT -5
Can someone explain to me the benefits of not voting or not changing a vote until after the countdown begins? Or, to put it another way, why do we want the countdown to start already? It's not like there's a clear lynch leader, discussion has died down, or everyone is content with their current vote. I appreciate that we'll have some more information toMorrow after the reveals from the lynch and any Night kills but 7 players have yet to vote toDay, none of the lynch leaders have been under sufficient pressure to need to claim, letting the countdown start yesterday or today would mean a weekend EOD and people often are not around. Is it the time constraint that favors us? The discussion is kind of dying down, though. I think we'll run into this problem often due to this set-up, unless there is a majority that kicks off the countdown instead of a non-vote count. The votes are kind of trickling in, and people who haven't voted are either waiting for the countdown to start or lurking. Once the countdown starts, people will actually start moving their votes. Currently there's no incentive for people to move votes around because all it does is artificially extend the length of the Day. Similarly, anybody in danger likely isn't going to claim until the countdown starts because the vote can still go any which way, although I find that kind of dumb because that gives us less time to flush things out. Also, to implement pizza's flinching plan we need to have a deadline in place, if that's the way we want to go.
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Nov 30, 2012 16:57:58 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 30, 2012 16:57:58 GMT -5
I'm rereading before deciding whether to move votes. This game, with its unique Day end mechanism, is going to demand a variation to my usual playstyle. If I wait until the countdown starts, I might miss the chance altogether. So I'll have to be more ready to vote quickly. I think this might be a pure grammar-question. But what do you mean by the word "quickly"? Is it the same as you want to vote early (to have voted before the countdown) or do you mean vote as soon as possible after the countdown begins (to make sure you have a vote on record)? I meant be ready to vote before the last hour or two. Today, I voted early - post 72 to be exact. I may adopt the other meaning in future Days, depending on the gamestate and my availability.
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Nov 30, 2012 17:44:38 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Nov 30, 2012 17:44:38 GMT -5
I finally had a chance to catch up - and will vote as soon as the countdown has started as I would like today to end ( I don't see anything more to talk about before we have some results
I plan to place my vote for Lightfoot but Suburban is running a strong 2nd - The race is close (as pizza wanted) so I'm sure a lot will be learned during the 24 hour countdown.
I'm voting for Lightfoot as I see her posts as someone standing in a fire and hoping first on one foot than the other - she jumps from only scum have off site boards to all but town have off site boards she can't remember last game as well as others that played in that game to rereading the last game to make her points and she points out a lot about the random vote which makes her the leader with only 4 votes why is she so concerned? Anyone one could still be lynched at this point we have 25 players - four votes is in no way a landslide.
I may be total wrong but that's my best case at this point and I feel at a great disadvanage as this is only my 3rd game (of course playing the newbie card seem to get you voted for) but for the record I haven't played a four faction game nor have I played as scum so my views may be tainted by the lack of first hand knowledge. (but putting your self down is a vote getter also) but I wanted everyone reading this to know where I'm coming from.
As for Suburban I didn't like his vote because: (see above) so he is my 2nd choice for today.
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Nov 30, 2012 17:45:38 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Nov 30, 2012 17:45:38 GMT -5
Countdown will begin in 2 hours, according to my math.
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Nov 30, 2012 17:49:23 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Nov 30, 2012 17:49:23 GMT -5
PS: Psst Pollux can you update me to show my game win for your game?
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Nov 30, 2012 18:40:29 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 30, 2012 18:40:29 GMT -5
I finally had a chance to catch up - and will vote as soon as the countdown has started as I would like today to end ( I don't see anything more to talk about before we have some results I plan to place my vote for Lightfoot but Suburban is running a strong 2nd - The race is close (as pizza wanted) so I'm sure a lot will be learned during the 24 hour countdown. I'm voting for Lightfoot as I see her posts as someone standing in a fire and hoping first on one foot than the other - she jumps from only scum have off site boards to all but town have off site boards she can't remember last game as well as others that played in that game to rereading the last game to make her points and she points out a lot about the random vote which makes her the leader with only 4 votes why is she so concerned? Anyone one could still be lynched at this point we have 25 players - four votes is in no way a landslide. I may be total wrong but that's my best case at this point and I feel at a great disadvanage as this is only my 3rd game (of course playing the newbie card seem to get you voted for) but for the record I haven't played a four faction game nor have I played as scum so my views may be tainted by the lack of first hand knowledge. (but putting your self down is a vote getter also) but I wanted everyone reading this to know where I'm coming from. As for Suburban I didn't like his vote because: (see above) so he is my 2nd choice for today. In your first post you wanted to vote before the countdown started and in your second post you want to wait to let the countdown trigger- Conversation may have died down –but are you saying that you don’t have anything more to talk about? Don't get me wrong I'm advocating for the Day to progress as well, I was curious what changed your mind? You are going to vote for me but the person I built the strongest case on ( and will be voting) is 2nd Scummiest to you. Since in the first game LE and CG were not told in their PM’s who their team-mates were- and this game had no Night 0 – it was a logical jump for me to think they didn’t know each other- I’m still not certain if they do or don’t yet Hell when I signed up for this game I had forgotten that I even played in the first one (and my team won ) Yeah I forget stuff With the trigger mechanism Day could have ended before the other players voted- And wouldn’t you be pissed if a randomly generated vote helped Lynch you?- That’s like someone who isn’t really playing being able to knock you ( who are) out of the game. hopefully you will have more time to fully digest the game as we proceed (since you are catching up)
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Nov 30, 2012 18:54:15 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 30, 2012 18:54:15 GMT -5
Countdown will begin in 2 hours, according to my math. 6:30-ish MST I thought that was +2 PST so we have a tad more than a 1/2 hour now if my maths are correct?
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Nov 30, 2012 19:10:49 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 30, 2012 19:10:49 GMT -5
MST is GMT - 7.
It is now 12:10am GMT, therefore it is 5:10pm MST yesterday.
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Nov 30, 2012 19:12:39 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 30, 2012 19:12:39 GMT -5
MST is GMT - 7. It is now 12:10am GMT, therefore it is 5:10pm MST yesterday. always the helpful one.
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Nov 30, 2012 20:01:59 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 30, 2012 20:01:59 GMT -5
I should probably explain my last post a bit. I don't want to extend the day, but if I understand the rules correctly, I have to either vote now, or vote within the next 25 hours. It is VERY doubtful I will have time to vote in that time frame, but I will do my best to find time. I absolutely don't have time to do a reread.
Current vote count according to my script (again, please check if this is right):
Mahaloth(4): crys (241), Pollux Oil (271), askthepizzaguy (290), JustBeingGinger (300) Suburban Plankton(3): wombat99 (237), Sister Coyote (238), Colby11 (283) peekercpa(3): dizzymrslizzy (88), Chucara (109), gnarlycharlie (150) Hockey Monkey(2): astralrejection (145), guiri (310) LightFoot(2): Suburban Plankton (66), Drain Bead (138) Wombat(1): LightFoot (113) Ginger(1): mahaloth (322) Chucara(1): Merestil Haye (72) pizza(1): peekercpa (292)
I know this is bad form from my side, but weekends are terrible for me, especially the next two. If I had time, I'd like to reread Mahaloth and Plankton as the leaders.
I also don't like that MHaye is still voting for me since 72. I don't have a problem with being voted, but it just reminds me of last game where MHaye was scum.
I also dislike that Laurie and Meeko are still voting for thanksgiving meals.
I also still think peeker is acting differently somehow on this board that on the Giraffe. This, plus reasons previously stated means I will leave my vote on peeker.
TL;DR: I think everyone is scum, and I don't have time to play this weekend.
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Nov 30, 2012 20:08:28 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 30, 2012 20:08:28 GMT -5
MST is GMT - 7. It is now 12:10am GMT, therefore it is 5:10pm MST yesterday. always the helpful one. That's me, ever helpful. I make it 25 minutes or so until the countdown starts. I could vote now, resetting the countdown start to about 1am on 2/12, or sit pat and let the countdown start, then switch my vote. I get the general feeling that people are getting impatient- but having a Saturday countdown is a problem as a lot of players don't post much at weekends. Decisions, decisions.
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Nov 30, 2012 20:21:11 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Nov 30, 2012 20:21:11 GMT -5
Decision made. Unvote: Chucara Vote: Suburban Plankton I'm voting for Suburban because he placed a random vote, then failed to remove it even when the person he was voting for was pushed into the lead. This vote will reset the countdown clock to the early hours of Sunday, meaning that the Day would end about 1am Monday morning, unless someone else resets the clock. I would prefer the Day to end late Monday or early Tuesday GMT, and this is a necessary step to that end. We'll need at least one more resetting vote for that to happen though.
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Post by crys on Nov 30, 2012 21:35:54 GMT -5
Decision made. Unvote: Chucara [/color] Vote: Suburban Plankton [/color] I'm voting for Suburban because he placed a random vote, then failed to remove it even when the person he was voting for was pushed into the lead. This vote will reset the countdown clock to the early hours of Sunday, meaning that the Day would end about 1am Monday morning, unless someone else resets the clock. I would prefer the Day to end late Monday or early Tuesday GMT, and this is a necessary step to that end. We'll need at least one more resetting vote for that to happen though.[/quote] Ugh I hate this set up....I prefer set in stone ays
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Nov 30, 2012 22:36:36 GMT -5
Post by crys on Nov 30, 2012 22:36:36 GMT -5
Man everyone is so quiet...... .......
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Nov 30, 2012 23:33:52 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Nov 30, 2012 23:33:52 GMT -5
To answer your question Lightfoot - I changed my mind because I didn't want to reset the count down to end on Sunday (at least for me) as I will be busy all day.
Now that it has been reset
Vote Lightfoot
Yes, I think the random vote is Sh*t but that is not why I'm voting on you I think you should try to change the votes on you but it is how your posts read that makes you look scummy - show me someone else and I will be happy to change my vote. You made good points against Suburban but I still see you as a better choice.
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 1, 2012 3:46:46 GMT -5
If there are no more valid votes, a 24 hour countdown to EOD will start Saturday 12/1 at 9:33 PM MST. It's currently 1:46 AM MST.
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Post by guiri on Dec 1, 2012 4:12:38 GMT -5
Where does that leave Chaotic Good and Lawful Evil. Are they just non-hostile 3rd parties, since they don't win steal? Well, they can "steal" the win from us by collaborating with CE so they're potentially hostile. As LG if we find any CG/LE players, what should the protocol be for them? Are we just going to judge on a case by case situation. It seems like there may be a handful of detective types based on the example of roles. I'd suggest prioritising lynching CE and leaving an outed CG/LE to be dealt with but their opposing killer. So IMO that's another reason to try and move on with the day. If we consider CG/LE pro-town, then we could depending on how many power roles there are, have 2-3 results tonight? Does that make sense or am I pulling that from thin air? They are not pro-town, they are pro-self but sharing investigation results, especially identifying CE would be a great starting point for potential cooperation. Similarly, anybody in danger likely isn't going to claim until the countdown starts because the vote can still go any which way, although I find that kind of dumb because that gives us less time to flush things out. Well that's my concern, once the counter starts there'll probably be plenty of vote movement and not much time to react.
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Post by lauriern on Dec 1, 2012 8:55:37 GMT -5
Hey All,
I'm here. MY apologies to all & especially the Mod for missing the week & especially EOD.
It has been a very busy and somewhat crazy week. (Full moon - patients get a little wacky
I have been reading here & there in an attempt to keep up, but when I tried to put together a coherent post to relay my thoughts, it just wasn't happening.
I have more patients to see today, but I will read and post some more thoughts tonight.
The one thing that has *really* been pinging me through my reads is how quiet Meeko has been. He usually posts crazy amounts of posts and this game, almost nothing. I do realize that he posted that he just doesn't have anything to say. I find that very hard to believe. I'm thinking his lack of posts is more that he's afraid of making a Scum slip.
Metagaming? Yes. But he's just too different this game for me to ignore.
I would vote now, but I don't want to reset that clock again (though it has helped me this week ;D )
I will unvote my stuffing and can-o-cran votes though:
Unvote: All
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Post by LightFoot on Dec 1, 2012 9:53:37 GMT -5
To answer your question Lightfoot - I changed my mind because I didn't want to reset the count down to end on Sunday (at least for me) as I will be busy all day. Now that it has been reset Vote LightfootYes, I think the random vote is Sh*t but that is not why I'm voting on you I think you should try to change the votes on you but it is how your posts read that makes you look scummy - show me someone else and I will be happy to change my vote. You made good points against Suburban but I still see you as a better choice. I've posted cases on a few players so your " show me" statement is bath water [early AM sarcasm] and I thank you for your selective response [eAs]
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Dec 1, 2012 15:23:02 GMT -5
Post by astralrejection on Dec 1, 2012 15:23:02 GMT -5
Alright, I've got some stuff to say. ChucaraThat leaves two options: Ally ourselves with peekers team and use them as masons. Or lynch peeker because he is not LG. For me, that is currently the most important decision we (LG) have to make. Above is only true if I have understood the wincons correctly (Good wins if all Evil are dead, Lawfull wins if all Chaotic are dead). This bothers me. I've posted a few times before about "tells" I used to watch for that don't actually tend to net me scum all that often. This isn't one of them. I've noticed scum tend to over-emphasize their "belonging" to a team, reinforcing the idea that they're just "one of us." This post has a bunch of "inclusive" words, and he even comes right out and claims LG, something he should know is dangerous, given that his very next sentence indicates clear understanding of how the win conditions work. That's like painting a bullseye on your back for the CE folks, since CG and LE are presumably more concerned with killing each other. By itself, not a perfect indicator of scumminess. However, if Chucara survives well into the game, there needs to be a serious consideration of lynching him. Killing someone you absolutely cannot win with is high on the CE priority list, and the longer Chucara survives after an explicit claim like that, the higher the chance that Chucara isn't what he says he is. Suburban Plankton: I was actually close to voting for Suburban prior to my re-read, but in my opinion, his wagon is a mess. Here's the post that seems to have gotten Subs into a lot of hot water. mod question: is it copacetic to quote someone from a different forum than this one to kind of prove a point? Are you talking about Pizza's 'confession' in the game over on Giraffe? The tags don't parse here, but it went something like this... I post it here just because I know he'd want someone to, and so that I can use it as ammunition should I decide to vote for him later in this game. I get that it's a joke. In my opinion, this is not a good reason to vote for Suburban Plankton. No big deal, though; I totally understand, and even considered joining, the votes for his random-then-not-so-random vote for LightFoot. That's a great reason for a Suburban day 1 vote! Seems that by itself should be enough for people. And yet, that's not why a lot of Sub's voters are voting for him. And that makes me raise my eyebrow at the whole affair. After the post I quoted up above, Wombat, Sister Coyote, dizzymrslizzy, Colby11, and Total Ullz swap over to the Suburban train. Here's their reasoning: 1) Wombat does not mention the random vote, and places a vote on Suburban in part for his joking quote of Pizza. The other half is for Suburban pointing out LightFoot's split personality. 237 2) Sister Coyote jumps in with a me-two vote for the same reason. 238 3) Dizzymrslizzy posts a me-two as well in 239 (to be fair, dizzy does not vote. Merely voices approval). 4) Colby11 posts another me-two vote in 283 5) LightFoot makes a post I agree with in 286 6) Total Ullz makes a case I can agree with all the way in 338 So, of the people voting for expressing suspicion of Suburban, I can agree with only LightFoot and Total Ullz. I'm not liking my odds on the Surburban train. Wombat, Sister Coyote, dizzymrslizzy, and Colby11 all seem to be taking an easy route to me. I think the odds are good some of them are trying to push a mislynch rather than voting honestly, which (in a four faction game) gives me less info than I'd like. Still, this is not a wagon I'd like to hitch my horse to. ----------------------------------------------------- I wish we'd stop extending the Day. I think attention and interest in the game is going to seriously flag if we keep this up for each Day cycle. I'm reminded of Askthepizzaguy's play in De'endee Mafia, where he'd have a scum dead to rights and then slowly talk himself out of the lynch as the day dragged on. That's not a slight on him, by the way; I've done it myself plenty. I fear we're all going to do that to ourselves, maybe multiple times, if we keep having 8+ day Days.
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Dec 1, 2012 15:57:37 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 1, 2012 15:57:37 GMT -5
The day ending on Monday or Tuesday night will be problematic for me - I have review sessions for finals both nights*. I don't want to vote right now and reset the clock. I'm leaning toward Mahaloth right now, and after the countdown starts, that's where I am planning to place my vote unless something happens and I change my mind. His completely unfounded vote on Total pinged me hard, even though he's unvoted her at this point. I just don't see the case on Lightfoot at all. Maybe I'm missing something, but nothing she's posted strikes me as particularly scummy. *For those of you who don't know, I went back to college as a 40 year old undergrad.
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Dec 1, 2012 16:28:54 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 1, 2012 16:28:54 GMT -5
Must we remind me of De'endee...
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Dec 1, 2012 19:21:56 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Dec 1, 2012 19:21:56 GMT -5
Astral...I love the smudge in #384, but as you so kindly put it (but then accused me of joining the train) I haven't voted Suburban at all, nor have I said that I was voting Suburban.
Yes, I have posted about how I am uncomfortable with him at the moment due to a few incidents in this game.......The Pizza Smudge on a joke......The Lightfoot Smudge on something that was already explained and confirmed two games ago.....and the random voting.....
Where I think you have it wrong, is any one of those makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, but he did all three in the course of one day.... He's trying to be opportunistic, and capitalize on things that "could" get someone in trouble, if read the correct way. Luckily no one is drinking his wine. KWIM?
But yeah, how about we save the judgement on me until I actually MAKE a move as opposed to my stating my concerns.
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