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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 14:59:47 GMT -5
Ok, I am going to lunch for a half hour and I will mull over my vote durring that time (since I will actually have the time.)
HOPEFULLY some of our absent players will make an apperance before the 2 hour window closes.
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Post by zuma on Jun 7, 2007 15:00:43 GMT -5
We're tied, right?
I meant NAF when I said Idle.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 15:01:16 GMT -5
stupid simulposting.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 15:02:08 GMT -5
yeah we should be tied now.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 15:02:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the point of spending two more hours on this is; is anyone really expecting to be any more enlightened about Hal or hockeymonkey at that juncture? I guess it can't hurt, though. And I guess there's no chance of wooing everyone over to the side of voting for cowgirl.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 15:03:58 GMT -5
actually I need to think about what to do with my vote, since I havent had much time to think on it since I switched to Hal. Also there has been a shortage of players online so far today and it is only fair to give them a chance to weigh in.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 15:07:27 GMT -5
Thanks for making the saving throw, guys...hopefully it won't have been a wasted effort.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 7, 2007 15:07:47 GMT -5
;D Exciting!
OK, where do we stand now? Me and Hal tied, and two hours to rehash. Hal's last few posts scream befuddled crew to me. I'm not defending him, but I sincerely believe there is a better choice for today. Auntbeast's defense of my vote was weaker than water. Seriously, a pick-your-own-reason multiple choice list? If she was trying to be funny, it missed the mark, because it came off as scummier than a green pond.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 7, 2007 15:09:04 GMT -5
Crap. I was gone after my last post yesterday and, being on PST, didn't get on today until just now (which is my normal time of getting on daily).
Dunno if I have time to catch up as there are FOUR pages all of a sudden that are new but before anything...unvote zuma
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 15:10:40 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem, hockeymonkey...I know I'm not scum, and I think you aren't either. However, I don't know if we have the amount of time and votes it would to shift over to more suspicious target. Certainly hope so, though...
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 7, 2007 15:12:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the point of spending two more hours on this is; is anyone really expecting to be any more enlightened about Hal or hockeymonkey at that juncture? I guess it can't hurt, though. And I guess there's no chance of wooing everyone over to the side of voting for cowgirl. Gad, I can see where you are coming from on this, but lynching her will not yield us any information. If she's a pirate or other scum, since she hasn't posted anything, we can't learn anything. My thoughts on her is she should be mod killed or subbed out. Put your vote where you think it will do the most good for the crew. If that's cowgirl for you, then vote your heart out.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 7, 2007 15:15:04 GMT -5
Therein lies the problem, hockeymonkey...I know I'm not scum, and I think you aren't either. However, I don't know if we have the amount of time and votes it would to shift over to more suspicious target. Certainly hope so, though... I hope so too. I don't mind if I die, but I KNOW I'm the wrong choice.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 15:18:12 GMT -5
That's an excellent point, although not strictly true...we still have her contributions from prior days to pore over. I do see what you mean, however. And it's not like my single vote is likely to urge her out of the woodwork anyhow.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 15:21:45 GMT -5
If she's a pirate or other scum, since she hasn't posted anything, we can't learn anything. Learning from a pirate corpse is terrific. But not learning anything from a pirate corpse still gives us a pirate corpse. That said, I agree with you...she'd be better subbed or modkilled.
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Post by auntbeast on Jun 7, 2007 15:22:58 GMT -5
;D Exciting! OK, where do we stand now? Me and Hal tied, and two hours to rehash. Hal's last few posts scream befuddled crew to me. I'm not defending him, but I sincerely believe there is a better choice for today. Auntbeast's defense of my vote was weaker than water. Seriously, a pick-your-own-reason multiple choice list? If she was trying to be funny, it missed the mark, because it came off as scummier than a green pond. Except that evidently, you chose B and C. I've got my asbestos panties on. I've not tried to be obtuse. I've tried to state things clearly. Even when using pretty common phrases like "separating the wheat from the chaff" that is pretty universally understood as "separating the good from the bad" and using a count of what WE have done, not what happens during the night (which in fact, WE have killed 3 crew members) is as plain to me as black and white, so my question becomes, Why? Either it is because we are forced to make decisions with not enough informaton (because our kills haven't told us much of anything) and the information that we are parsing is wrong which has led to 3 officers being outed, OR someone is being purposefully obtuse to deflect attention away from themselves. I'm claiming Occam's Razor on this one. I voted for HockeyMonkey NOT because of OMGUS, but because in my mind, it is the simplest answer to questions that I have. Forgive me for not giving you the option of OMGUS. It was an oversight on my part. Please feel free to add it to your choices in the future.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 15:25:15 GMT -5
auntbeast:
Which three crew members have we killed? KatiRoo, mhaye, and...?
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 15:34:12 GMT -5
Ok, I have thought.
I really don't think HM is scum at this point. If she is she is a genius because yesterDay she actually placed her neck squarely on the chopping block, and I cannot see any good reason for a scum to do that. It's too risky a move.
I really liked AZ's argument about Hal, but I was lazy and didn't check his facts. I did check on Hal's argument against them though...and I buy it.
So I am going to
unvote Hal vote Auntbeast.
Because damned if I do know who scum is at this point, but I don't want to see either of those two die just yet, and AuntBeast has been pinging me as scummy mixed with inexperienced from Day 1. If she is crew then I am sorry. But Today has sucked all the way around for us, mostly because we seem to have stopped talking.
We only have 8 pages of posts today? That is WAY low on the post count. We need to do better or we are sunk.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 7, 2007 15:35:16 GMT -5
;D Exciting! OK, where do we stand now? Me and Hal tied, and two hours to rehash. Hal's last few posts scream befuddled crew to me. I'm not defending him, but I sincerely believe there is a better choice for today. Auntbeast's defense of my vote was weaker than water. Seriously, a pick-your-own-reason multiple choice list? If she was trying to be funny, it missed the mark, because it came off as scummier than a green pond. Except that evidently, you chose B and C. I've got my asbestos panties on. I've not tried to be obtuse. I've tried to state things clearly. Even when using pretty common phrases like "separating the wheat from the chaff" that is pretty universally understood as "separating the good from the bad" and using a count of what WE have done, not what happens during the night (which in fact, WE have killed 3 crew members) is as plain to me as black and white, so my question becomes, Why? Either it is because we are forced to make decisions with not enough informaton (because our kills haven't told us much of anything) and the information that we are parsing is wrong which has led to 3 officers being outed, OR someone is being purposefully obtuse to deflect attention away from themselves. I'm claiming Occam's Razor on this one. I voted for HockeyMonkey NOT because of OMGUS, but because in my mind, it is the simplest answer to questions that I have. Forgive me for not giving you the option of OMGUS. It was an oversight on my part. Please feel free to add it to your choices in the future. Auntbeast, WE the CREW have killed 2 of our own, NOT 3. Sigh
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Post by Blaster Master on Jun 7, 2007 15:35:43 GMT -5
Okay... I'll bite. I'm about 70-80% on Hockey Monkey being town, and around 50-60% on Hal Briston being town. Thus, between those two, I'd prefer to vote Hal. However, with the recent development in auntbeast, I'm around 30-40% there. Since it doesn't look like anyone is willing to vote with me against PanamaJack, I'm willing to jump ship and vote for her instead of the leading candidates.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 15:36:15 GMT -5
To be fair, had I been contributing regularly (had I not had that hearing), we'd probably be at twice that. ;D Not to say we'd be any further along, obviously, but we'd have certainly talked more.
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Post by ArizonaTeach on Jun 7, 2007 15:36:29 GMT -5
Dammit. Looks like we both didn't pay enough attention, Hal. Don't say I said something I didn't again! And I need to have a long talk with my Find Word program.
unvote Hal Briston
I guess I'll go along with Gad here, because I really don't want to lynch hockey.
vote auntbeast
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 15:40:00 GMT -5
auntbeast:Which three crew members have we killed? KatiRoo, mhaye, and...? Ummm...am I having a major case of deja vu here, or did I just read something very similar? Someone commenting on killing three crew, when we've only killed two, but scum, of course, have killed three? I'm asking seriously...I mean, I read what auntbeast wrote and my first thought was "heh...that's so over-the-top scummy that she must be doing a parody of that other bit that I read". But...ummm, did I read it in here? Or was that in another game? Or did she seriously mean that and just give up a huge scum tell?
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Post by Blaster Master on Jun 7, 2007 15:40:09 GMT -5
Dammit. Looks like we both didn't pay enough attention, Hal. Don't say I said something I didn't again! And I need to have a long talk with my Find Word program. unvote Hal BristonI guess I'll go along with Gad here, because I really don't want to lynch hockey. vote auntbeastWell, since these two quick votes... I'll go ahead and put her in the lead: Unvote panamajackVote auntbeast
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 7, 2007 15:48:10 GMT -5
I still haven't caught up yet..but here's a post from me until at least end of page six.. Okay, now to catch up and read everything and actually reply to some stuff (if I have time time. If I run out of time, well, I won't know as I'm an admin and my post will enter even if Mal closes the topic. But if that's the case I will then delete this reply and repost it in Day Four) Another whose tone strikes me as odd on a similar level is Idle Thoughts. His posting style seems very different to me than it did in M3. Did you read what I said in Day Two about not basing behavior from past games in current ones? I mean if you must reference to them, at least have it be something solid or not using it to mark anyone. I don't think I'm any different in this one as I was in that one. The difference is, this one still has a lot of other players in it. In the other, I felt more comfortable getting most posts in and more aggressive as the game went on and there were fewer players. Hal also seems to be playing it too safe. He tried to come in the game with a lame vote for Hockey Monkey and quickly unvoted when he was questioned. The way he put out a vote that he could not defend rubs me the wrong way. Vote Hal Briston this pings me heavily. You seem to be immediatly jumping on a newly forming person. Now I have suspicions about Hal myself...but not enough to vote yet. Whereas you seem to give a very flimsy reason and just go with what AZ just did in the post before yours here. Oh..and even though I unvoted him... I actually feel more that zuma may be lying. Very strongly, actually. I'm debating whether or not to vote for him again (although it would be pointless as he's now about as far away from a lynch as anyone could be). There's something to be said about AZ and I agreeing on something for once. unvote: Tirial vote: Hal BristonEspecially with this. What ever happened to waiting for tirial replying? Plus you never even had much to go on voting for her in the first place. I don't think you're Captain Steele. Finally, Lakai. Today you seem to have merely picked up on other people's votes and continued to lurk. The same things you called pirate-like behavior when you saw hockeymonkey doing it earlier, so I'm wondering if you're going to change your ways. Glad I wasn't the only one who picked up on this. Fuck, why is it that everytime I walk away from this game for an entire night someone role claims? Well I knew that the zuma train was building too quickly, and I suspect that if we look at who hopped on board immediatly after it started to gain steam we will find at least one scum. That being said, I think that AZ's catch on Hal's inconsistancy is the best lead we have so far, and makes Hal way more suspicious to my mind than tirial is right now. unvote tirialvote Hal BristonBolding mine. Speaking of inconsistancy. Do you much? You just did exactly what you say, in the same post, is scummy. And what's with this round of musical votes that you and zuma were doing with Hal in the last few minutes? This makes both of you look very shady in my eyes. Added since it happened in the time that I was composing this: AND NOW it was all for naught as you unvoted him again and vote now, for Auntbeast! And on that note.. Vote NAF1138, by far. I get the feeling that no one is really paying attention to my posts anyway. I've brought up the fact that cowgirl is missing 3 times. Snipped. I noticed. Wonder if she should be subbed? Since two halves make a whole, and because I honestly don't have a better read on any of the leading candidates right now... vote cowgirlSnipped. I've said this before, in Day Two, I think voting for people who are inactive is crappy at best and scummy at worst. Really, if you're scum, what better way to cast for someone you know who just happens to town AND inactive? If anything, I'd ask the mod to sub them out. But why use it as an excuse to vote for them? Anyway, I've cast my vote and feel very sure of it. I know it doesn't matter much because as far as I know, I'm the only one voted for him. I could cast mine for hockey, who I still think is a bit suspcious but she's dropped down considerably to NAF for now. Rounding it out I'll be keeping my eye on Gad and Lakai too, if I live to see Day Four. And zuma? I just have a feeling it's a false role claim. I can only hope time will tell (and sooner rather than later).
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 7, 2007 15:48:19 GMT -5
auntbeast:Which three crew members have we killed? KatiRoo, mhaye, and...? Ummm...am I having a major case of deja vu here, or did I just read something very similar? Someone commenting on killing three crew, when we've only killed two, but scum, of course, have killed three? I'm asking seriously...I mean, I read what auntbeast wrote and my first thought was "heh...that's so over-the-top scummy that she must be doing a parody of that other bit that I read". But...ummm, did I read it in here? Or was that in another game? Or did she seriously mean that and just give up a huge scum tell? Yes Hal, that's what I've been trying to point out! Read my posts.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 7, 2007 15:50:15 GMT -5
Note: the above post by me was caught up, I just forgot to take out that top part before submitting.
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Post by Parzival on Jun 7, 2007 15:58:31 GMT -5
Hey, it's the actual storyteller analysis post. The one I had to do twice.
Statements that imply innocence or crew-like behavior, positive agreement, or praise for playing style are in positive.
Statements of criticism of strategy, statements of suspicion, votes, and the like end up in negative.
Neutral is passing mentions, responses to question or playing off quotes without agreement/disagreement, mild disagreement, and anything which seemed actually neutral in tone.
Player names that only appear in the quotes of other players are ignored, unless there was a reference to them in the post.
Pos: Autolycus............1.396,1.431, 1.473 Blaster Master.......1.457, 1.479, 1.509 capybara.............1.473 FlyingCowofDoom......1.438, 2.172(u) Gadarene.............1.509, 2.153 Hockey Monkey........2.369,2.423 NAF1138..............2.280 zuma.................2.227(u)
deceased: MHaye................2.369
Neutral: Autolycus............1.36, 2.104, 2.172 Auntbeast............1.396,1.468,1.489, 2.228, 2.240, 2.249, 2.280, 2.301, 2.349 Blaster Master.......1.434 ArizonaTeach.........1.437, 2.172 CaerieD/Hal Briston..1.56, 2.172 capybara.............2.104, 2.147 CttDSWHC/tirial......2.233 cowgirl..............1.75, 2.147, 2.280 FlyingCowofDoom......1.36, 2.153, 2.429, 2.432 DiggitCamara.........1.31, 2.432 Gadarene.............1.473, 2.228, 2.358 IdleThoughts.........2.429 Hockey Monkey........2.174, 2.280, 2.429, 2.432 MadTheSwine..........1.468, 2.233 Lakai................1.56 NAF1138..............2.104, 2.121, 2.147, 2.172, 2.249, 2.349 Pleonast.............2.172
deceased: fluiddruid...........1.451,2.101 KatiRoo..............1.433,1.434,1.479 Kyrie Eleison........2.284 MHaye................2.358,2.423
Neg:
Auntbeast............1.257,1.499,1.509, 2.167, 2.176 CaerieD/Hal Briston..2.370,2.423, 2.429, 2.432 FlyingCowofDoom......1.433,1.437, 2.76, 2.104(v),2.121, 2.147, 2.174, 2.250(v), 2.286, 2.369, 2.423 Gadarene.............1.396 IdleThoughts.........1.257 MadTheSwine..........1.396,1.489 NAF1138..............2.153 zuma.................1.431, 2.172(v)
deceased: KatiRoo..............1.396(v),1.398,1.468,1.489 Kyrie Eleison........1.396, 2.101
Honorable unmention: panamajack
Others low on the list:
Pleonast - only mentioned in analysis of zuma's posts tirial - only answered a question of hers Lakai - reference to previous game DiggitCamara - both times in response to a question
See my previous post for other notes on this analysis.
My vote stays where it is. That was a terrible defense.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 15:59:25 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts:
No, that's fair. And as I said at the time, it was more to call her out and get her to start posting than anything else. I agree that substitution is warranted.
I will point out, however, that---as I've articulated---I did (and do) have legitimate grounds for suspicion of cowgirl, although the suspicion on its own probably isn't enough to prompt a vote. I'll switch by the end of the Day. If I were to do so now, it would probably be for Lakai, but I'd like to reevaluate (and to explain my justification for that) before I do.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 7, 2007 16:04:57 GMT -5
Okay!
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 16:08:34 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts:
It strikes me as having been way too premature to be a false role claim, but I could be wrong.
And panamajack: Thanks! Lots of stuff to chew on there.
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