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Day One
Jan 24, 2013 16:41:20 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Jan 24, 2013 16:41:20 GMT -5
From the rules/intro thread: Public RulesThis is an almost completely closed rules set. This game is multi-level. Dead players should still participate in order for their team to win. We need exactly 26 players. If we do not have 26 players when it is time to start, another game and ruleset will be used instead. Some powers may be hidden from the players who have them. Some powers may be affected by game states or other powers. There may be vote or lynch shenanigans. Public reveals by the moderator of a living player may be not be reliable. You will not change teams without your consent. Victory conditions may not be entirely known. So things we know: -Death is not the end. Players that are dead may still affect the game. -Having exactly 26 players was important to the set-up and role dispersal. -Players may not be aware of all their powers, and powers may be affected by the game state. -Moderator reveals are not necessarily to be trusted when dealing with living players. -The lynch can be affected, as can the vote process. -Recruiting may be a part of the game, but it won't happen without consent. Since one of the key components in this game is that dead players are still a part of the game, I think that ties into the "killing Devils will always be in your best interest" hint. Because if we succeed in lynching a Devil, that doesn't mean they're necessarily removed from the game. For all we know, all the Devils could get lynched but we still have to do something to win, because they're still playing while dead. Did every Christian start with a sin or was I picked out randomly? I ask because sins have something important in this game and I don't want to hurt town because I have a sin. Now for some serious shitslinging A: we lynch a townie we gain a sin B: we lynch a devil we lose a sin C: x amount of sin turns a Christian to a devil D: we have a priest kind of player that absolves sins E: we gain sins by doing bad deeds F: we lose sins by doing good deeds How any of that leads to our winning or losing is beyond me. I know I have 1 sin, am Christian and got the same abc as was revealed above. As for my shitflinging I am leaning toward C through F as stronger chances but with zero mod experience I cannot think about balance etc as well as some of you can. And I'd love to hear from some of you about that.
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Jan 24, 2013 17:04:20 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 24, 2013 17:04:20 GMT -5
On a meta standpoint, C is unlikely on this board simply because Pleo has not mentioned the possibility of "recruitment"
I think E and F are entirely likely. The question is, what actions are classed as "good" and which as "bad."
I think for A and B to universally be true is a stretch, to be honest.
D may or may not exist. Closed game, strange mechanics, and I'm not ready to speculate on the existence or lack thereof of certain roles.
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Jan 24, 2013 17:13:00 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Jan 24, 2013 17:13:00 GMT -5
I think we need to hush up on whether or not we have sins.
FOS ryjae
At least some of our wincons specifically state that we should not discuss our sins with other players. As we do not yet know if all players start with sins, I think we should not divulge which players have this to scum.
This setup seems more advanced than any game I've played. I'm not ruling anything out. I have no idea how dead players could affect the game, the mod has stated that there might be vote/lynch 'shenanigans', and that there might be recruiters.
All in all, I think we might be in for an interesting ride.
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Jan 24, 2013 17:13:25 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 24, 2013 17:13:25 GMT -5
My thought process was that IF Patricia had the same clues she would have known why there was no need for me (or another) to post #3 Ah, good point.
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Jan 24, 2013 17:14:59 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Jan 24, 2013 17:14:59 GMT -5
NETA: Has anyone played in a multi-vote game before? I haven't and now I'm in two at the same time. I'm not sure how to approach this. To me, it seems easier for scum to hide with many votes at once.
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Jan 24, 2013 17:43:17 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 24, 2013 17:43:17 GMT -5
Thanks Dizzy - and ok Guiri I got that as well then So did I. In fact, I can confirm what Lightfoot said and what Guiri said as applied to my own role PM. I'd definitely be interested to know if the devils got the third "hint", if my own role PM's wording is any indication. Any devils care to oblige us with that info?
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Jan 24, 2013 17:51:58 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 24, 2013 17:51:58 GMT -5
On a meta standpoint, C is unlikely on this board simply because Pleo has not mentioned the possibility of "recruitment". Now Pleonast: Unless Sis C is being very subtle indeed, this suggests to me that she's not a "recruiter" herself. At least, not a scummy one (can there ever be town recruiters? Assuming that the usual labels "scum" and "Town" even apply here?) I think an actual recruiter would be acutely aware of their role, and as such would be far less likely to make a mistake like this one.
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Jan 24, 2013 18:00:09 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 24, 2013 18:00:09 GMT -5
NETA: Has anyone played in a multi-vote game before? I haven't and now I'm in two at the same time. I'm not sure how to approach this. To me, it seems easier for scum to hide with many votes at once. I don't think I've ever played a multi vote game myself ( and like you I am in 2) My reasoning is to vote for who seems Scummiest- preferable after having a case the advantage is if I think others are Scum too I can now vote for them as well.
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Jan 24, 2013 18:20:34 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jan 24, 2013 18:20:34 GMT -5
On a meta standpoint, C is unlikely on this board simply because Pleo has not mentioned the possibility of "recruitment". Now Pleonast: Unless Sis C is being very subtle indeed, this suggests to me that she's not a "recruiter" herself. At least, not a scummy one (can there ever be town recruiters? Assuming that the usual labels "scum" and "Town" even apply here?) I think an actual recruiter would be acutely aware of their role, and as such would be far less likely to make a mistake like this one.
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Day One
Jan 24, 2013 20:51:03 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Jan 24, 2013 20:51:03 GMT -5
I think we need to hush up on whether or not we have sins. FOS ryjae At least some of our wincons specifically state that we should not discuss our sins with other players. As we do not yet know if all players start with sins, I think we should not divulge which players have this to scum. This setup seems more advanced than any game I've played. I'm not ruling anything out. I have no idea how dead players could affect the game, the mod has stated that there might be vote/lynch 'shenanigans', and that there might be recruiters. All in all, I think we might be in for an interesting ride. Interestingly enough mine says nothing about discussing our sin count I have b which discusses sins and c which discusses Sins. And b says it will always help town to "remove" ones sins while increasing them can hurt or help. So yeah you have me confused I admit I have a sin as a sorta opening to possibly get it removed and you either have something far different than me or you read things different than me.
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Jan 24, 2013 21:15:27 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jan 24, 2013 21:15:27 GMT -5
Guiri - Lightfoot posted two hints - do you have three? If so could you post the third hint? Not sure I'm ready for a game were you also have to find out HOW to win question to anyone so devils in this game are like scum in most games? Thanks Dizzy - and ok Guiri I got that as well then ----bolding mine The wording- use of ‘then’ – seems like this one did not have that bit? Do you not have the same " clues" ? Am I the only person this smells fishy to? If a player has different clues we should try to network them. No, this post also pinged me, but I think my ping was more general about fishing for information, especially for the third clue which admonishes town to keep secrets.
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Day One
Jan 24, 2013 22:36:05 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 24, 2013 22:36:05 GMT -5
On a meta standpoint, C is unlikely on this board simply because Pleo has not mentioned the possibility of "recruitment". Now Pleonast: Unless Sis C is being very subtle indeed, this suggests to me that she's not a "recruiter" herself. At least, not a scummy one (can there ever be town recruiters? Assuming that the usual labels "scum" and "Town" even apply here?) I think an actual recruiter would be acutely aware of their role, and as such would be far less likely to make a mistake like this one. I agree with you here Holy.....Pleo did talk about the possibility of recruitment, and I specifically remember recruitment is optional.....So I'm wondering why Sis is insisting there isn't recruitment.... Nominating SisC for some more observation....with a placeholder Vote: Sis C[/color]
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Day One
Jan 24, 2013 22:38:07 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jan 24, 2013 22:38:07 GMT -5
Okay and I should have read further.....I responded while reading, and missed Sis's post #68
Unvote: Sis C[/color]
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Jan 24, 2013 22:41:05 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 24, 2013 22:41:05 GMT -5
Now Pleonast: Unless Sis C is being very subtle indeed, this suggests to me that she's not a "recruiter" herself. At least, not a scummy one (can there ever be town recruiters? Assuming that the usual labels "scum" and "Town" even apply here?) I think an actual recruiter would be acutely aware of their role, and as such would be far less likely to make a mistake like this one. I agree with you here Holy.....Pleo did talk about the possibility of recruitment, and I specifically remember recruitment is optional.....So I'm wondering why Sis is insisting there isn't recruitment.... Nominating SisC for some more observation....with a placeholder Vote: Sis C[/color][/quote] I think "insisting" is much too strong of a word- And if you are basing your vote on Holey's post I read it as a soft clear on SisC so colour me confused about the basis of your vote missing a bit in the rules is not really a Scum tell
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Day One
Jan 24, 2013 22:41:35 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 24, 2013 22:41:35 GMT -5
cross posted there
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Jan 24, 2013 22:48:04 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jan 24, 2013 22:48:04 GMT -5
I've never played in a multi-vote game before either, but just to get started I am going to vote based on the "I got that as well then", because it does sound a little fishy.
vote patricia
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Day One
Jan 24, 2013 22:48:38 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 24, 2013 22:48:38 GMT -5
No, this post also pinged me, but I think my ping was more general about fishing for information, especially for the third clue which admonishes town to keep secrets. I want to believe Pleo has planned this out more than that, though, especially in a closed set-up. I'd like to think he set everything up so we couldn't handshake over the win condition, and also that the scum wouldn't be left out in the cold when the inevitable conversation about the win condition came up. On the other hand, since town has no idea what the scum win condition is, it's entirely plausible the scum were going in blind about the town win condition as well. Hmmm. Still, balance-wise, I'd say there are likely measures in place to prevent handshaking.
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Jan 25, 2013 0:03:17 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jan 25, 2013 0:03:17 GMT -5
No, this post also pinged me, but I think my ping was more general about fishing for information, especially for the third clue which admonishes town to keep secrets. I want to believe Pleo has planned this out more than that, though, especially in a closed set-up. I'd like to think he set everything up so we couldn't handshake over the win condition, and also that the scum wouldn't be left out in the cold when the inevitable conversation about the win condition came up. On the other hand, since town has no idea what the scum win condition is, it's entirely plausible the scum were going in blind about the town win condition as well. Hmmm. Still, balance-wise, I'd say there are likely measures in place to prevent handshaking. Do you think some Town players have a note regarding something they are not to talk about/reveal-------and some don't?
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 0:22:07 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Jan 25, 2013 0:22:07 GMT -5
Guiri - Lightfoot posted two hints - do you have three? If so could you post the third hint? Not sure I'm ready for a game were you also have to find out HOW to win question to anyone so devils in this game are like scum in most games? ok - I only have the two hints that Lightfoot listed above so when guiri said three I was trying to find out what the third hint was and when I found out it was about sins I realized that some must have started the game with sins
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 1:12:50 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 25, 2013 1:12:50 GMT -5
Do you think some Town players have a note regarding something they are not to talk about/reveal-------and some don't? Perhaps. I think assuming every Townsperson has the same hints across the board is a bad idea and something I think scum would want to encourage since it's to their advantage to get Town pointing fingers at other Town over PM discrepancies. Since we're short on starting data, comparing notes is a good idea, but we shouldn't be quick to jump on anything that shows differences. There's no guarantee all Town PMs are the same and have the same information in them.
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 3:23:07 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 25, 2013 3:23:07 GMT -5
Thanks Dizzy - and ok Guiri I got that as well then So your third hint was a warning, right? ok - I only have the two hints that Lightfoot listed above so when guiri said three I was trying to find out what the third hint was and when I found out it was about sins I realized that some must have started the game with sins Now you only have two hints? What happened to the third one you had earlier? And you don't have any sins either? Vote PatriciaOne of these posts is a lie as it's a direct contradiction of the other, what are you hiding?
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 4:27:34 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 25, 2013 4:27:34 GMT -5
Damn, totally forgot I signed up. Oh well, here now. Got my PM.
Um, can this game be any more complicated? I didn't understand half the stuff in my PM.
Not sure I'm going to reveal much in this game, because part of my PM reads that if the devils find out what my cardinal sin is, they can take my soul or something like that.
I'm a Christian, though...and apparently a Mechanic (I assume that's a subgroup).
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Jan 25, 2013 4:39:31 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 25, 2013 4:39:31 GMT -5
Okay, all caught up. First off... RE: win-con I have a. Lynching or killing Devils will always help your team. b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial. I have those two too, but I also have a c that says Never reveal to another player nor allow another player to figure out your Cardinal Sin. I assume this is the one guiri was talking about. I also have other clues about the game, listed under another section. Not sure if I should reveal all of them or if keeping some to myself for now is best. I will reveal one, however...the first one says: a. Christians initially have sin. This tells me something right away: If Patricia says she doesn't have any sins (something she seems to imply in post 78, unless I'm reading/taking it wrong), she must not be a Christian. But even without that, I think guiri makes a good point in his post right above, she seemed to flip flop really fast there. Vote PatriciaIf people think it's good to reveal the rest of the clues I have under the other section, let me know.
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Jan 25, 2013 5:25:11 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 25, 2013 5:25:11 GMT -5
My thought process was that IF Patricia had the same clues she would have known why there was no need for me (or another) to post #3 Patricia was checking for a false claim, not making one.
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 5:27:53 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 25, 2013 5:27:53 GMT -5
NETA: Has anyone played in a multi-vote game before? I haven't and now I'm in two at the same time. I'm not sure how to approach this. To me, it seems easier for scum to hide with many votes at once. I thought the same thing until I played in one - if you consider that each vote placed is grist for the mill, it actually makes it easier to hunt scum. More votes to parse, but more info in the end.
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 5:34:43 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 25, 2013 5:34:43 GMT -5
Guiri - Lightfoot posted two hints - do you have three? If so could you post the third hint? Not sure I'm ready for a game were you also have to find out HOW to win question to anyone so devils in this game are like scum in most games? ok - I only have the two hints that Lightfoot listed above so when guiri said three I was trying to find out what the third hint was and when I found out it was about sins I realized that some must have started the game with sins Wait, what? I'd have bought that you were a Towny without hint #3 if you'd just said so. The lying makes me very nervous though, and copping to it under such minimal vote pressure doesn't look good on you either. Vote: Patricia
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 5:53:14 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Jan 25, 2013 5:53:14 GMT -5
I will reveal one, however...the first one says: a. Christians initially have sin. This tells me something right away: If Patricia says she doesn't have any sins (something she seems to imply in post 78, unless I'm reading/taking it wrong), she must not be a Christian. This seems to put the nail in Patricia's coffin if Idle is telling the truth. I will note that I do not have the "Christians intially have sin" hint in my PM though. vote Patricia
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 6:09:20 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Jan 25, 2013 6:09:20 GMT -5
I think we need to hush up on whether or not we have sins. FOS ryjae At least some of our wincons specifically state that we should not discuss our sins with other players. As we do not yet know if all players start with sins, I think we should not divulge which players have this to scum. This setup seems more advanced than any game I've played. I'm not ruling anything out. I have no idea how dead players could affect the game, the mod has stated that there might be vote/lynch 'shenanigans', and that there might be recruiters. All in all, I think we might be in for an interesting ride. Interestingly enough mine says nothing about discussing our sin count I have b which discusses sins and c which discusses Sins. And b says it will always help town to "remove" ones sins while increasing them can hurt or help. So yeah you have me confused I admit I have a sin as a sorta opening to possibly get it removed and you either have something far different than me or you read things different than me. ryjaeI know what you mean about the sin count, but do you have the same reference to Cardinal Sins that Idle mentioned?
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 7:04:31 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Jan 25, 2013 7:04:31 GMT -5
Interestingly enough mine says nothing about discussing our sin count I have b which discusses sins and c which discusses Sins. And b says it will always help town to "remove" ones sins while increasing them can hurt or help. So yeah you have me confused I admit I have a sin as a sorta opening to possibly get it removed and you either have something far different than me or you read things different than me. ryjaeI know what you mean about the sin count, but do you have the same reference to Cardinal Sins that Idle mentioned? Yes that is the c in my above quote Sin (b has lower case sin and c has the Cardinal Sin)
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Day One
Jan 25, 2013 7:16:08 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Jan 25, 2013 7:16:08 GMT -5
Guiri - Lightfoot posted two hints - do you have three? If so could you post the third hint? Not sure I'm ready for a game were you also have to find out HOW to win question to anyone so devils in this game are like scum in most games? ok - I only have the two hints that Lightfoot listed above so when guiri said three I was trying to find out what the third hint was and when I found out it was about sins I realized that some must have started the game with sins So far two people have different PMs than I do, that isn't a huge thing but I do have the hint in c and a sin so you have something different than I do. Idle thoughts also has a different PM than mine but his at least matches my PM in that I have a sin, I know I am Christian so his fits me much better than Patricias So with that vote patricia
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