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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 16:52:34 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Feb 10, 2013 16:52:34 GMT -5
Yay BillMC lynch is back in action.
I'm standing by my "I'll wait to see if SisC can defend herself" before I vote her.
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 18:39:42 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 10, 2013 18:39:42 GMT -5
From my perspective, Bill's actions seem completely plausible as a Townie. There are a lot of unknowns in this game right now, the fact that people are already acting like they've figured out how the game works and that Bill must obviously be acting in non-Town interest is really strange to me.
However, Bill, I don't think you should be necessarily worried about Day manipulators. Now, I don't pretend to understand how the mechanics work, but I'd assume if they were going to redirect ryjae's attempt to cleanse someone, they'd have to do it before he acted. I'd be worried about ryjae attempting an action on Day Three. But that's just how I'd postulate it.
Also of note, I remember that initial post of Sister Coyote's twinging me at the time but I never said anything. That does stick out like a sore thumb now that we know patricia was a Devil and may not have had complete information on sins. So I'll keep my vote on her for sure. I'd rather see her lynched than wombat or Bill at this point, unless she has a good defense.
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 19:38:59 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Feb 10, 2013 19:38:59 GMT -5
Yay BillMC lynch is back in action. I'm standing by my "I'll wait to see if SisC can defend herself" before I vote her. You should really be glad that Hockey has your back.
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 19:54:16 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 10, 2013 19:54:16 GMT -5
Looking at my PM, I could see where it would be hard to obtain my Cardinal Sin while in game play and I would think that if the mod was going to place that mechanic in play it would be possible to obtain all cardinal sins and not just this one or that one. I am assuming of course. So I am good with the SisC lynch although throwing my vote on would be somewhat pointless right now. I don't see the bandwagon growing on BIllMc anymore than it has and if it does then I will cast a vote for SisC.
I am also in agreement that if Hockey was not backing MisterV I would be voting for him for his play...
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 20:10:46 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Feb 10, 2013 20:10:46 GMT -5
Looking at my PM, I could see where it would be hard to obtain my Cardinal Sin while in game play and I would think that if the mod was going to place that mechanic in play it would be possible to obtain all cardinal sins and not just this one or that one. I am assuming of course. So I am good with the SisC lynch although throwing my vote on would be somewhat pointless right now. I don't see the bandwagon growing on BIllMc anymore than it has and if it does then I will cast a vote for SisC. I am also in agreement that if Hockey was not backing MisterV I would be voting for him for his play... Where you use the word ‘obtain’ are you referring to others figuring your CSin out? ( in both places?) And I have to admit I’m not tracking the rest of your statement- can you help? Many of us were eager for the misterv lynch prior to the HMonkey intervention- ( I get that part)
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 20:20:18 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Feb 10, 2013 20:20:18 GMT -5
Looking at my PM, I could see where it would be hard to obtain my Cardinal Sin while in game play and I would think that if the mod was going to place that mechanic in play it would be possible to obtain all cardinal sins and not just this one or that one. I am assuming of course. So I am good with the SisC lynch although throwing my vote on would be somewhat pointless right now. I don't see the bandwagon growing on BIllMc anymore than it has and if it does then I will cast a vote for SisC. I am also in agreement that if Hockey was not backing MisterV I would be voting for him for his play... It's never pointless to vote for people you think are scummy. Why wouldn't you vote for someone even if they are in the lead? That strikes me as very odd.
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 20:51:23 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 10, 2013 20:51:23 GMT -5
Looking at my PM, I could see where it would be hard to obtain my Cardinal Sin while in game play and I would think that if the mod was going to place that mechanic in play it would be possible to obtain all cardinal sins and not just this one or that one. I am assuming of course. So I am good with the SisC lynch although throwing my vote on would be somewhat pointless right now. I don't see the bandwagon growing on BIllMc anymore than it has and if it does then I will cast a vote for SisC. I am also in agreement that if Hockey was not backing MisterV I would be voting for him for his play... Where you use the word ‘obtain’ are you referring to others figuring your CSin out? ( in both places?) And I have to admit I’m not tracking the rest of your statement- can you help? Many of us were eager for the misterv lynch prior to the HMonkey intervention- ( I get that part) Meaning that if you do or don't do a certain action numerous times you "obtain" a CS. In SisC example she was saying if you don't vote for in m ore than 2 Days, you get the Sloth... Reading my PM and what my CS is, one could not obtain it through what SisC was describing. Sorry if I am not explaining it well, I am on cold meds and cannot breathe...
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 20:56:52 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 10, 2013 20:56:52 GMT -5
Looking at my PM, I could see where it would be hard to obtain my Cardinal Sin while in game play and I would think that if the mod was going to place that mechanic in play it would be possible to obtain all cardinal sins and not just this one or that one. I am assuming of course. So I am good with the SisC lynch although throwing my vote on would be somewhat pointless right now. I don't see the bandwagon growing on BIllMc anymore than it has and if it does then I will cast a vote for SisC. I am also in agreement that if Hockey was not backing MisterV I would be voting for him for his play... It's never pointless to vote for people you think are scummy. Why wouldn't you vote for someone even if they are in the lead? That strikes me as very odd. To me it is pointless. So at this point, if I vote SisC and she turns up SCUM. does that automatically make me TOWN? No... This late in the game with so many votes is a null tell, at least it is to me. The last votes are most of the times people who just vote there cause it might be a easy vote and it does not tell you anything about their alignment. I have seen both town vote this late and scum vote for other scum this late... To me that is a null tell.
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 21:54:34 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 10, 2013 21:54:34 GMT -5
I will not be home at EOD tomorrow, I'm teaching a class. I'll check the thread before I leave, but won't be available during the Noon-5pm Eastern block.
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Day Two
Feb 10, 2013 22:18:12 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Feb 10, 2013 22:18:12 GMT -5
It's never pointless to vote for people you think are scummy. Why wouldn't you vote for someone even if they are in the lead? That strikes me as very odd. To me it is pointless. So at this point, if I vote SisC and she turns up SCUM. does that automatically make me TOWN? No... This late in the game with so many votes is a null tell, at least it is to me. The last votes are most of the times people who just vote there cause it might be a easy vote and it does not tell you anything about their alignment. I have seen both town vote this late and scum vote for other scum this late... To me that is a null tell. Not to mention lynching Christians is a sin. I don't blame Ginger for this one. Also, yeah I apologize for my shoddy play. Once I'm outted like this I kind of forget filters and mafia etiquette and such. Bear with me, I promise that scumhunting and participation is still to come.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 3:28:46 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 11, 2013 3:28:46 GMT -5
Looking at my PM, I could see where it would be hard to obtain my Cardinal Sin while in game play and I would think that if the mod was going to place that mechanic in play it would be possible to obtain all cardinal sins and not just this one or that one. I am assuming of course. So I am good with the SisC lynch although throwing my vote on would be somewhat pointless right now. I don't see the bandwagon growing on BIllMc anymore than it has and if it does then I will cast a vote for SisC. I am also in agreement that if Hockey was not backing MisterV I would be voting for him for his play... It's never pointless to vote for people you think are scummy. Why wouldn't you vote for someone even if they are in the lead? That strikes me as very odd. I've never understood that either, and in a game where we already know that there's powers tied into the votes somehow, it's a little sketchy.
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Feb 11, 2013 3:33:19 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 11, 2013 3:33:19 GMT -5
To me it is pointless. So at this point, if I vote SisC and she turns up SCUM. does that automatically make me TOWN? No... This late in the game with so many votes is a null tell, at least it is to me. The last votes are most of the times people who just vote there cause it might be a easy vote and it does not tell you anything about their alignment. I have seen both town vote this late and scum vote for other scum this late... To me that is a null tell. Not to mention lynching Christians is a sin. I don't blame Ginger for this one. I do. She needs to vote for who she thinks is scummy, ESPECIALLY because lynching Christians is a sin.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 4:30:33 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 11, 2013 4:30:33 GMT -5
Not to mention lynching Christians is a sin. I don't blame Ginger for this one. I do. She needs to vote for who she thinks is scummy, ESPECIALLY because lynching Christians is a sin. I agree, we don't know what the sins do but we do know that we need to kill scum.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 6:56:59 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Feb 11, 2013 6:56:59 GMT -5
Last time I checked sisc has a healthy lead. The less sinful Christians we have, the better. I don't see the problem.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 7:32:45 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 11, 2013 7:32:45 GMT -5
Last time I checked sisc has a healthy lead. The less sinful Christians we have, the better. I don't see the problem. You don't see the problem, when we already suspect that some powers may be tied to votes? Where a person who already knows another player is Town might not want to add to their sin total? I mean, never mind that not voting for your top candidate/s corrupts the vote record, making it harder to find scum...
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 7:44:05 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Feb 11, 2013 7:44:05 GMT -5
Last time I checked sisc has a healthy lead. The less sinful Christians we have, the better. I don't see the problem. So you are softclaiming that you are also sinless?
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 8:59:53 GMT -5
Post by lauriern on Feb 11, 2013 8:59:53 GMT -5
Nemo found us....no power until last night. Checked in - saw 7 pages to catch up on - went to bed - we were exhausted - no sleep with kiddo in the bed to keep us all warm.
I have an hour. I WILL be skimming so I can eval/remove/change/add votes (or keep them as is) before I have to bring kiddo to my Mom's (no school) so I can go to work.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 9:31:43 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 11, 2013 9:31:43 GMT -5
Fascinating.
A huge deal is being made over my "slip" which was, in fact, an extrapolation of the conversation that had gone before I made the comment.
Two things: I can tell you that lauriern, as of last Night, had no sin. I cannot tell you if she is Town-aligned or not. And, I am a Christian.
If I investigate someone who is not sinless, they die (unless otherwise protected).
More after I am on a proper computer and not my iPad, and have had coffee.
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Post by crys on Feb 11, 2013 10:19:16 GMT -5
Fascinating. A huge deal is being made over my "slip" which was, in fact, an extrapolation of the conversation that had gone before I made the comment. Two things: I can tell you that lauriern, as of last Night, had no sin. I cannot tell you if she is Town-aligned or not. And, I am a Christian. If I investigate someone who is not sinless, they die (unless otherwise protected). More after I am on a proper computer and not my iPad, and have had coffee. Im not sure i believe this. This seems way too extreme. Especially if we end up with a mislynch. At that point all of us christians that voted to lynch that individual end up with a sin making your power especially dangerous to your own team. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:26:01 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Feb 11, 2013 10:26:01 GMT -5
Fascinating. Two things: I can tell you that lauriern, as of last Night, had no sin. I cannot tell you if she is Town-aligned or not. And, I am a Christian. If I investigate someone who is not sinless, they die (unless otherwise protected). Hmm, if we're assuming that Devils don't want to kill sinless Christians, then this seems like a plausible power for a Devil to have. I'm not absolutely sure why a Christian would need to know how many sins any other Christian has? If there really is a power that exists solely to find out whether or not someone has sins, then maybe we should all stop just mentioning our sin count casually as we have been doing up til now. Looking at the vote counts you didn't vote lauriern yesterDay, is there a reason you were willing to chance killing her last night?
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:27:04 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 11, 2013 10:27:04 GMT -5
Fascinating. A huge deal is being made over my "slip" which was, in fact, an extrapolation of the conversation that had gone before I made the comment. Two things: I can tell you that lauriern, as of last Night, had no sin. I cannot tell you if she is Town-aligned or not. And, I am a Christian. If I investigate someone who is not sinless, they die (unless otherwise protected). More after I am on a proper computer and not my iPad, and have had coffee. Interesting since Idle told us his PM said that initially all Christians start with sin. Why did you investigate someone on night one when the odds are that you would hit a Christian. Did you think LaurieRN was a Devil? Are you saying she is a Devil now since she is sinless?
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:30:55 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 11, 2013 10:30:55 GMT -5
Extreme? Hardly, if she's telling the truth. Don't think of her as an investigator that kills, think of her as a Vig that can't kill anybody without sin.
I want to hear more from her about the slip before I retract my vote, though.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:32:27 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 11, 2013 10:32:27 GMT -5
Idle, in relation to the underlined part of the quote, will you confirm or deny that the PM you received contained more than just the offer to remove sin - you don't need to say what. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. The PM didn't have anything more from the offerer about other things I may get, no (if that's what you mean). It did have one other side fact that I should know about if I accepted, though (if that's what you mean). As for you not accepting his offer..I don't see what having no sins has to do with it. Doesn't say you can't accept even if you have no sins. If this is a possible way to see if you're Christian or not (from whether Ryjae dies or not), I say go for it. There isn't any downside that I can see and to think otherwise looks even more suspicious than I already found you.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:42:18 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 11, 2013 10:42:18 GMT -5
I've changed my mind about Bill. There's no conceivable reason for him not to accept the sin-cleansing offer, whether he has sins or not, unless he's a Devil trying to hide. It's as simple as that.
I think he's more likely than SisC to be a Devil, and I'd rather lynch him than risk mislynching a Christian power role (which SisC appears to be claiming).
Vote: BillMc
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:44:21 GMT -5
Post by lauriern on Feb 11, 2013 10:44:21 GMT -5
After a skim-through, I'm keeping my votes on BillMc, SilverJan and Suburban Plankton.
SilverJan made a reference that she saw was guiri did "last night" and has not said why despite a few people asking. She also did not want the filibuster, which only gives more time for discussion - more posts, more discussion = good for Town. She is very defensive in this game - quick to jump on anyone (not just me) who suspects or questions her - I don't remember her being like that before. I'm leaving my vote as is. SilverJan, If you explain why you saw where guiri went, I can't unvote you at the point. I have to work and won't be here before EOD.
Suburban Plankton - also did not want the filibuster and then flip-flopped about it. Combined with prior reasons in my previous post, I'm leaving my vote for him.
I don't see why a Town Bill would not accept his sins be absolved even if he doesn't have any. A Scum Bill would not want to have sins absolved b/c it would reveal he is Scum when ryjae shows up dead. That and no real Scum-hunting and his OMGUS votes is making me think he's Scum. I was going to remove my vote from him so we could parse info from ryjae's offer, but he has refused to accept the offer so no info to parse if I'm reading ryjae's posts correctly. I'm keeping my vote on him.
SisterC - Not sure about the post everyone suspects, but what does bother me is the No Lynch votes x2days. She is wrong about me as well - I do have have a sin - (and for the record, I am Christian). Maybe she has some wonky vote mechanic and that's why she's voting No Lynch. There's enough votes on her that I'm not going to add mine, b/c we gain sins if we lynch a Christian and if she is one, I don't want another sin.
Wombat - I get what she's saying about getting sinless Christians to Heaven, BUT I think it's dangerous thinking to lynch off any Christians.
Vote: Wombat
I went way over time and now I have to scramble to get ready. Later.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:45:52 GMT -5
Post by lauriern on Feb 11, 2013 10:45:52 GMT -5
NETA: Mr.V, you are very, very lucky Hockey Monkey made the claim she did - the more I read your posts, the more I want to vote you. I'm seeing where this will go with the 2 of you and watching very closely.
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Feb 11, 2013 10:49:25 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 11, 2013 10:49:25 GMT -5
At that point all of us christians that voted to lynch that individual end up with a sin making your power especially dangerous to your own team. Extreme? Hardly, if she's telling the truth. Don't think of her as an investigator that kills, think of her as a Vig that can't kill anybody without sin. See what KidV said. Not extreme at all, and in fact in some ways less dangerous than I would be if I were a "normal" vig. Speaking of which: /me shakes puny fist at Pleo. Interesting since Idle told us his PM said that initially all Christians start with sin. And Bill said that contradicted part of his PM. Why are we accepting that Idle is telling the 100% truth and assuming that I'm lying? Looking at the vote counts you didn't vote lauriern yesterDay, is there a reason you were willing to chance killing her last night? This is a slightly disingenuous question, since part of what y'all are voting me for is having a No Lynch vote down at the end of yesterDay. So, you know, be consistent, is all I'm saying. That said, it was this post late yesterDay and which I did not see until last Night that swung me laurie's way: Sorry that things are so crazy for you IRL! But...even though you don't have time to read 11 pages and catch up, you could vote No Lynch instead of placing an actual vote on someone you haven't made a case on. I find it suspicious that you would do this. You say you are making a vote just so you won't get a penalty, but we don't know if there is a mechanism for that or not. You should be voting to find scum. Your vote for someone who has no votes is a safe place you won't have to defend. You could have voted for the lynch leader instead without really having to defend it, (you could have said, "hey, RL is getting in the way of things right now and I don't have time to make my own case on Patricia, but yeah, it seems as though she's lying her ass off") so why not place your vote there instead? It seems like a really scummy thing to do to just drop a vote on someone jus because they don't have any votes and are in no danger of being lynched. KidV, I'm not sure what else you want me to say about the "slip." Again: I was extrapolating from the conversation that went before. Did I go to extremes? Yes, apparently. I am the Inquisitor. I am a Christian. I can determine whether or not someone has sin -- and, after re-reading my PM, all Devils have sin, so that suggests Laurie is either Christian or able to disguise her sins. I determine "innocent" or "guilty", not a particular number of sins a person may have, and a guilty person is unlikely to survive my investigation. My death will be a mislynch.
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Day Two
Feb 11, 2013 10:49:42 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Feb 11, 2013 10:49:42 GMT -5
SisterC - Not sure about the post everyone suspects, but what does bother me is the No Lynch votes x2days. She is wrong about me as well - I do have have a sin - (and for the record, I am Christian). Maybe she has some wonky vote mechanic and that's why she's voting No Lynch. There's enough votes on her that I'm not going to add mine, b/c we gain sins if we lynch a Christian and if she is one, I don't want another sin. My bolding. I'm confused why you're not voting for her given this. If you're telling the truth Sister C has claimed a power role that directly contradicts something you know to be true, but you don't want to vote her because you think she's a Christian and you don't want another sin?
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Feb 11, 2013 10:52:37 GMT -5
Post by lauriern on Feb 11, 2013 10:52:37 GMT -5
SisterC - Not sure about the post everyone suspects, but what does bother me is the No Lynch votes x2days. She is wrong about me as well - I do have have a sin - (and for the record, I am Christian). Maybe she has some wonky vote mechanic and that's why she's voting No Lynch. There's enough votes on her that I'm not going to add mine, b/c we gain sins if we lynch a Christian and if she is one, I don't want another sin. My bolding. I'm confused why you're not voting for her given this. If you're telling the truth Sister C has claimed a power role that directly contradicts something you know to be true, but you don't want to vote her because you think she's a Christian and you don't want another sin? B/c I'm worried she's Christian with a wonky vote mechanic - "No Lynch" 2 days in a row doesn't make sense as Scum. I'm not afraid to vote her - just afraid to get another sin if she's Christian. Vote: Sister Coyote I'll take a sin with the rest of you. Does that feel better?
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Feb 11, 2013 10:53:00 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 11, 2013 10:53:00 GMT -5
Also:
vote: BillMc -- sorry, Bill. Self-preservation.
laurie: I got a PM this Dawn saying you were "innocent". What that means, other than what I've said, I can't tell you.
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