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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 21:19:32 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 1, 2013 21:19:32 GMT -5
Moley, I must have missed something: "killing power block"? Can you point me to where I missed this or tell me again what you did last Night? With the number of protectors we seem to have, I am frankly amazed that anyone has died. But by the same token, with the number of investigators we have... CIAS has claimed a kill re-direct, but claimed he had not used it, and I can't imagine why he would suddenly decide to use it last Night. Ginger, I am glad that Pollux finally made it to heaven; I felt guilty about killing him. I wonder why you had to pray for him twice in order for him to get there? I don't know if I was blocked and didn't cleanse his sins or if he had too many, because remember I can only cleanse half. If he had 5 and I took away 2.5 it still left him with sins, but then again that does not explain it cause even when I cleansed him again, it would of been half of the 2.5... I don't know...
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 21:25:46 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 1, 2013 21:25:46 GMT -5
Oooh, that's a good theory Holy. What if they can only "kill" you if they guess your CS? Has Ginger been able to get anyone to Heaven that has been NKed? I was able to get Lightfoot to Heaven or I was told that she is in Heaven, not 100% sure I got her there...
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Post by Colby11 on Mar 2, 2013 1:55:54 GMT -5
Why did you block me? (and no, I didn't get to kill anyone.... Tempted to vote for you based solely on that) Did you TRY to kill someone? That would all-but-confirm (I guess it's still possible that we were both roleblocked by other people, although it's very unlikely indeed) that Visceral's death was the result of either a non-killing role action or a "kill" that's not part of a role action itself (eg, a scumkill). Pleonast, as I said, would not elaborate on this point in any way, no matter how much I asked. And just out of interest, was it me or Wombat that you tried to kill, if you did use your power? I won't take offence - heck, I expected it. I tried to kill, yes. I did not target you or Wombat, my spidey senses were tingling on someone else.
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Post by Colby11 on Mar 2, 2013 1:56:35 GMT -5
And before anyone else gets any bright ideas, I was told that my kill was unsuccessful.
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Post by Chucara on Mar 2, 2013 3:58:51 GMT -5
My turn to claim? Here goes:
I asked pleo, and this will stack with any "real" protective powers - i.e. if I protect the same person a non-town doc (if any), they will be protected from both killing and non-killing powers.
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Post by guiri on Mar 2, 2013 4:29:33 GMT -5
Non-town or non-christian?
I don't understand what you mean about stacking, if you block any non-Christian powers, why wouldn't you block a non-Christian protector too?
How have you used the power?
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Post by BillMc on Mar 2, 2013 8:29:34 GMT -5
Maybe I'm being paranoid, but Holy seemed far to eager to put out the "i blocked all kills" claims. Seems to me it would have been much more effective to ask colby who he had targeted before claiming the block. So we've apparently went from no kills, to two attempted kills last night, one of which was successful, despite an apparent block.
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Post by Chucara on Mar 2, 2013 8:32:55 GMT -5
PMs never mention "town", so non-christian.
My original plan was to play this much the same as a Doc, so lay a little low not to get killed by scum.
And actually now that a I look at it - I asked pleo the wrong question. I asked him what would happen if a doc protects my target. I didn't want to accidentally block a town doc in his work, so I asked to make sure that if I had protected the likely scum targets, I would actually remove protected.
Pleo probably assumed I meant Christian Doc - in which case I wouldn't block it - not because it was a non-killing power, but because it was a Christian/power.
Sorry about the missing vote Yesterday. So Today, I will start out early:
Vote: silverjan
Atleast until we get an explanation from pleo. Right now, either Plankton or silverjan is lying.
I'm getting a bit worried about ryjae, but I don't think now is the time to consider his lynch. I think eventually, he will have to be confirmed, but so far he has yet to hit a devil, apparently. Still, there is no reason to do this yet in the case where he is telling the truth.
Two think makes me kinda question his actions: - In a game with recruitment, how useful are his investigations - If he is telling the truth, one of two things will kill him: Him hitting scum, or scum hitting in - in which case we will mislynch whoever he targetted. This basically gives scum an extra kill. Now I haven't paid that much attention, it seems, so I can't at the moment recall if he is announcing his target ahead of night or after.
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Post by texcat on Mar 2, 2013 9:23:05 GMT -5
Chucara, can you tell us who you have protected each night?
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Post by crys on Mar 2, 2013 9:30:30 GMT -5
I can confirm that I received PMs offering to cleanse my sins and that my sins had been cleansed. The PM was specific that my sins had been cleansed. We're still waiting on Chucara's claim and cry's report of who she tried to communicate with last Night. She hasn't been able to get through to anyone yet? Moley, Guiri's claim came before CIAS's claim. CIAS would have known not to lie about being "The Templar". So had Guiri investigated him, I'm pretty sure he would have found exactly that regardless of CIAS's alignment. I targeted paranoia last night. I was not successful. I will post my pm later when i am at a pc Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 10:07:40 GMT -5
Post by crys on Mar 2, 2013 10:07:40 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think that random.org hates me or something. Especially with the pm result I received this morning.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 10:08:16 GMT -5
Post by crys on Mar 2, 2013 10:08:16 GMT -5
I won't be very active this weekend. I have my nieces and we are having fun
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 10:11:02 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 2, 2013 10:11:02 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think that random.org hates me or something. Especially with the pm result I received this morning. You haven't tried to contact Lightfoot yet, I don't think? Maybe pagan-to-pagan communication is worth trying?
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 10:52:58 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 2, 2013 10:52:58 GMT -5
Vote: Chucara
pending a satisfactory explanation of his power (non-Christian doesn't make sense, and his explanation doesn't make sense, and he tried to then deflect suspicion onto Silver Jan and RyJae in his explanation post - Hey, look over there!) and we also need to know how he has used said power.
Silver Jan's unprompted volunteering of her results on Suburban adds weight to her Christian claim, but is it possible that the reason that Laurie died was because she dueled a Devil Silver Jan, not a Christian? Maybe Laurie's role was like RyJae's - if she chose a Devil, she died. I wish we knew how Laurie's duel investigation worked.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 10:57:29 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 2, 2013 10:57:29 GMT -5
crys, Who have you tried to contact? I have you as: N1 - no one N2 - SisC N3 - N4 - Lightfoot N5 - Paranoia Is that right?
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 11:00:40 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Mar 2, 2013 11:00:40 GMT -5
You really need to read some Chac if I was to be lying then the Devils can cleanse a soul of sin. I suggest you look elsewhere as to my "luck" on not hitting Devils, that's simplest to say not everything is luck some is using observation and being right.
As to recruitment after a cleanse I cannot say. My plan was and is to cleanse once a day one person, toDay threw my own plan into disarray on picking targets but that's okay if the end result means less infighting an more Devil hunting.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 13:39:19 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 2, 2013 13:39:19 GMT -5
Maybe I'm being paranoid, but Holy seemed far to eager to put out the "i blocked all kills" claims. Seems to me it would have been much more effective to ask colby who he had targeted before claiming the block. So we've apparently went from no kills, to two attempted kills last night, one of which was successful, despite an apparent block. You are indeed being paranoid. Think of it this way: I didn't need to say that I blocked Colby's kill. I could've easily claimed no investigation result because it was dependant on successful votes the previous day or something (not hard given that Plankton voteblocked me), and just let everybody else hunt for the roleblocker. It would have been practically risk free: I can't be tracked or watched, so even if SilverJan was watching me or Colby last night, she couldn't have confirmed that I was lying. I lost nothing by claiming here. I can only use the "block all killing roles" power once. And it's not as though there's any mystery about my reasons for blocking Colby - I said straight out even before Lightfoot's death that my worst nightmare was a town vig who'd take out the third-parties one by one. And while technically death isn't "the end" in this game, that doesn't mean I'm going to let somebody put a bullet through a Heretic's brain if I can stop it.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 13:45:25 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 2, 2013 13:45:25 GMT -5
Did you TRY to kill someone? That would all-but-confirm (I guess it's still possible that we were both roleblocked by other people, although it's very unlikely indeed) that Visceral's death was the result of either a non-killing role action or a "kill" that's not part of a role action itself (eg, a scumkill). Pleonast, as I said, would not elaborate on this point in any way, no matter how much I asked. And just out of interest, was it me or Wombat that you tried to kill, if you did use your power? I won't take offence - heck, I expected it. I tried to kill, yes. I did not target you or Wombat, my spidey senses were tingling on someone else. Crapski. Not sure if I hope you were right or wrong then. I won't ask who you targeted.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 14:40:47 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 2, 2013 14:40:47 GMT -5
Vote: scathach [/b]
I'm diving into the shallow pool of people I don't trust to be non-Devil. I voted for him on Day One for what I felt was Cardinal Sin fishing. I haven't seen anything that has swayed me from my initial misgivings.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 16:03:30 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 2, 2013 16:03:30 GMT -5
[/color] pending a satisfactory explanation of his power (non-Christian doesn't make sense, and his explanation doesn't make sense, and he tried to then deflect suspicion onto Silver Jan and RyJae in his explanation post - Hey, look over there!) and we also need to know how he has used said power. Silver Jan's unprompted volunteering of her results on Suburban adds weight to her Christian claim, but is it possible that the reason that Laurie died was because she dueled a Devil Silver Jan, not a Christian? Maybe Laurie's role was like RyJae's - if she chose a Devil, she died. I wish we knew how Laurie's duel investigation worked.[/quote] I looked back at the other claims and no one else seemed to have a reference to non-Christian. Devils, Team, Christian are all there. I don't remember what type of investigative power that pagan Lightfoot, now in heaven, had. But why would you have the ability to make someone impervious to it. I can understand blocking Devil powers, but non-Christian? And non-killing powers somehow does not mean protection? If Pleo had meant investigative powers, why didn't he say that instead of non-killing? Vote: Chucara Unvote: SilverJan Her results Today still don't make sense to me, but her results on other days have been correct.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 16:12:38 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Mar 2, 2013 16:12:38 GMT -5
That answers that question, and creates new ones. I offered the cleansing to MrV. Did someone not want to wait for results because I cannot see a reason for a Devil to kill him. I don't think a devil would kill one of the masons if they could help it, since it confirms the others.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 16:25:45 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 2, 2013 16:25:45 GMT -5
The masons were going to be confirmed Today anyway, though.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 16:31:37 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Mar 2, 2013 16:31:37 GMT -5
The masons were going to be confirmed Today anyway, though. Actually from that point of view, it does kind of make sense. Kill one of the group that are about to be confirmed. Also, the only one of the group who's cardinal sin was revealed right?
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 16:40:05 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Mar 2, 2013 16:40:05 GMT -5
1. Each Night, you may bless a living player. The targeted player is protected from all non-killing, non-Christian powers. The target will receive no notification that they have been blessed. I'm with the others that this seems kind of hinky. Actually, I'm even finding it quite hard to parse. (Although that may say more about me than about the power). You would then block any heretic, pagan (or other faction as yet to be revealed) non killing action yes? It does seem a bit bizarrely specific
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 16:54:06 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Mar 2, 2013 16:54:06 GMT -5
I'm diving into the shallow pool of people I don't trust to be non-Devil. I voted for him on Day One for what I felt was Cardinal Sin fishing. I haven't seen anything that has swayed me from my initial misgivings. In my defence, one of the people you perceived me to be cardinal sin fishing from was patricia, so on that level at least your perception was off base, but fair enough. (also, not that it matters for the purpose of the game in the least or that you should be expected to know, but I'm a she)
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Post by crys on Mar 2, 2013 18:39:47 GMT -5
I did target lightfoot and i was unsuccessful.
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Post by crys on Mar 2, 2013 18:41:35 GMT -5
I targeted laurie night 3
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 19:21:56 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 2, 2013 19:21:56 GMT -5
My turn to claim? Here goes: I asked pleo, and this will stack with any "real" protective powers - i.e. if I protect the same person a non-town doc (if any), they will be protected from both killing and non-killing powers. This is another one of those claims where it just seems off. First of all why put in there that the target will not receive notification that they have been blessed. In any of the other claims, it never says what notification the target has or not. This seems a sly way so that no one can back up and verify that they were targeted by Chucara that way no one can falsify his claim. Vote ChucaraIt is another one of those claims where no one can back up his story.
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Day Six
Mar 2, 2013 20:55:32 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 2, 2013 20:55:32 GMT -5
My turn to claim? Here goes: I asked pleo, and this will stack with any "real" protective powers - i.e. if I protect the same person a non-town doc (if any), they will be protected from both killing and non-killing powers. This is another one of those claims where it just seems off. First of all why put in there that the target will not receive notification that they have been blessed. In any of the other claims, it never says what notification the target has or not. This seems a sly way so that no one can back up and verify that they were targeted by Chucara that way no one can falsify his claim. Vote ChucaraIt is another one of those claims where no one can back up his story. It's fair to say that this gives me a fairly large problem. If Chucara turns out to be a non-recruited devil, I think I've lost this game, come what may, because 1) I pretty much guaranteed that he wasn't, and 2) the way that I "cleared" him concerned a game mechanic that the devils could not possibly have access to early on, at least before "recruiting" somebody who had knowledge of it - and could be potentially game-breaking if they did. So here's how things pan out, ignoring for the moment any assumptions I have of Chucara's alignment based on any other factors. First, "Non-Christian". Putting aside the fact that no other role-PM mentions other factions than the devils and the claimer's own faction for a second, here's what that effectively means, assuming there are no other Pagans, Heretics, or hidden factions that have not been accounted for (and this is by no means certain): 1) Chucara can block any and all powers aimed at his chosen target by the devils, not including killing (but presumably including role-blocking, recruitment, redirection, etc). 2) He can also block all of my powers - but I don't target specific people. If, for example, I ask how many mechanics are in the game (as I did), and Chucara used his power on a mechanic, would I get one less mechanic result? Doubt it. If, on the other hand, Chucara had used his power on a killing role last night, would that have meant that that role would've been exempt from my "block" and therefore able to kill? Again, doubt it. Not sure on either of those questions. 3) He can block all of Wombat's powers, whatever those are. (I have no more knowledge than you guys.) 4) He can block Lightfoot's investigations. Not sure how this one would work and I can't find any statement from Lightfoot about her power. 5) He can presumably not block Crys' messaging, given that Crys' power is a channel to "the dead". All things considered, this one worries me. There doesn't really seem to be any purpose in blocking any claimed third-party power that can be blocked, except possibly Wombat's. I don't even know about my own manipulation power. As for "will not be notified", Plankton's role PM says specifically that a player's vote would be altered "secretly". However HockeyMonkey's role PM states: "3. Each Night, you may protect from being killed by a Devil a living player who is not yourself or the Friar or Monk." Nothing about the player not being notified of the protection. CIAS's role PM states, he says: "1. Each Night, you may protect any other player from being killed by a Devil by redirecting the kill to another player." Doesn't say whether or not the protected player would be notified that they'd been targeted, although in this case the answer would appear more obvious. Put it this way: I'm not currently voting CatInASuit because of his claim. So... some roles specify that their effects are secret, some do not. The protective roles claimed don't seem to specify, which gives me some cause for concern. But, putting aside the information that "confirms" him, I'd be loath to lynch Chucara on the basis of that. In conclusion... "Non-Christian" might just be specifying that the role doesn't only affect Devil powers, but no other claimed role PM has a similar term... and the non-Christian roles that we know of don't seem to fit very well. "Will not be notified" seems odd when applied to a protective role. There's nothing there to definitively overturn my one little fact that proves Chucara did not start this game as a devil. And if he did, I've probably lost anyway. So... I'm going to assume and pray that I haven't been wrong from the very start of this game and that Chucara is, in fact, not a devil. That's all I got.
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Post by Chucara on Mar 3, 2013 4:28:40 GMT -5
I'm not really sure how to respond. I only posted what I got from Pleo.
I have wondered a lot about the non-Christian part. As in.. Why did it not simply say 'devil' instead.
I realise that you don't necessarily believe me right now, but if I die, please remember that part. To me, it indirectly indicates that we may have more than two different wincons.
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