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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 11:10:44 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Dec 15, 2013 11:10:44 GMT -5
I don't know why I thought I couldn't vote, that was just me not thinking properly again.
Vote: Captain Klutz
He just seemed to know too much.
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 11:29:29 GMT -5
Post by Chameleon on Dec 15, 2013 11:29:29 GMT -5
I realize there is rarely good reason for voting anyone on Day1, so my reason for voting the following players is because they voted with no good reason. I'm not sure I understand. Vote: ChameleonOh wait, I understand now. You're voting for me because you don't understand what I said, and then say you understand and don't unvote me? I don't understand
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 11:30:54 GMT -5
Post by Chameleon on Dec 15, 2013 11:30:54 GMT -5
I don't know why I thought I couldn't vote, that was just me not thinking properly again. Vote: Captain KlutzHe just seemed to know too much. Can you elaborate on why you think he knows too much? I don't really see anything that indicates that.
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 12:00:44 GMT -5
Post by swammerdami on Dec 15, 2013 12:00:44 GMT -5
Since we may soon be dropping like flies, with about three deaths many Nights (Scum Kill, auctioned Vig Kill, and perhaps about one death due to bid-buying risk), No Lynch might be wise Day 1. The vote record will still be useful.
But I never expected No Lynch to win the vote; my vote was, just as I said, a placeholder. No one had yet done anything suspicious.
But picking on the easy target is suspicious.
Vote: Mahaloth
Vote: patricia
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 12:10:54 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Dec 15, 2013 12:10:54 GMT -5
I don't know why I thought I couldn't vote, that was just me not thinking properly again. Vote: Captain KlutzHe just seemed to know too much. Can you elaborate on why you think he knows too much? I don't really see anything that indicates that. It's a D1 vote and I had to say something. I am sure my vote will change before EOD.
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 14:26:33 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Dec 15, 2013 14:26:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand. Vote: ChameleonOh wait, I understand now. You're voting for me because you don't understand what I said, and then say you understand and don't unvote me? I don't understand Spongebob : "Patrick, I'm confused!" Patrick: "Yes I am."
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 18:40:21 GMT -5
Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 15, 2013 18:40:21 GMT -5
I don't know why I thought I couldn't vote, that was just me not thinking properly again. Vote: Captain KlutzHe just seemed to know too much. I'm not sure how I "know too much": the number of players and the number of scum are easily determined (I wasn't even the first to say that there are 3 scum). Finishing Day 5 is really the best case scenario. With additional Night deaths for winning bids, there will likely only be 4 Days (and so 4 lynches) available. So I think we cannot afford to forego any lynches.
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 21:42:25 GMT -5
Post by swammerdami on Dec 15, 2013 21:42:25 GMT -5
It's a D1 vote and I had to say something. I am sure my vote will change before EOD. If I wrote something like this, it would earn me at least 1 or 2 Lynch votes for sure! Vote: silverjan(This is just a D1 vote. )
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Day One
Dec 15, 2013 23:11:58 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Dec 15, 2013 23:11:58 GMT -5
I realize there is rarely good reason for voting anyone on Day1, so my reason for voting the following players is because they voted with no good reason. Vote: Texcat - for voting Mahaloth because it's Day 1 (although I do respect you for getting the "vote ball" rolling). Vote: Guiri - for voting BillMc because he was wrong about him in another game. Vote: Gnarlycharlie - for voting Captain Klutz as a welcome back message. I was going to vote for Captain Klutz for voting Storyteller because he was the last to check in. But then I realized that Storyteller hasn't checked in at all and the mod has left it up to players to deal with non-participation with in-game methods, so fair enough. I'm going to give Storyteller more time though. Although I don't agree with them at the moment, the votes on Swammer are fair since they're based on his actions in this game so far. I can understand why Swammer voted for a no lynch on Day 1 since there's little to no real information. Should those I voted for give better justification, or remove the unjustifiable votes, I will unvote them. you really expect justification for these votes? why so serious? I realize there is rarely good reason for voting anyone on Day1, so my reason for voting the following players is because they voted with no good reason. I'm not sure I understand. Vote: ChameleonOh wait, I understand now. LOL I don't know why I thought I couldn't vote, that was just me not thinking properly again. Vote: Captain KlutzHe just seemed to know too much. what did he seem to know? Can you elaborate on why you think he knows too much? I don't really see anything that indicates that. It's a D1 vote and I had to say something. I am sure my vote will change before EOD. eh, i can take a joke vote. this however is bizarre. Unvote: Captain Klutz Vote: Silver Jan
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 1:49:22 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Dec 16, 2013 1:49:22 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on why you think he knows too much? I don't really see anything that indicates that. It's a D1 vote and I had to say something. I am sure my vote will change before EOD. You had to say something? Well, I have to say that is very supicious Vote: Vote Silverjan
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 4:10:09 GMT -5
Post by Chameleon on Dec 16, 2013 4:10:09 GMT -5
Unvote: Gnarlycharlie for changing his "joke" vote. I'm not finding SilverJan as suspicious as some of you, but I think for Day 1 the votes on her aren't entirely unreasonable. And I'm a serious kind of gal
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 4:45:27 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Dec 16, 2013 4:45:27 GMT -5
Here we go again! I am Town as you will find out with my death reveal, this is getting tedious!
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 4:52:43 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Dec 16, 2013 4:52:43 GMT -5
It looked as if Captain knew too much because of they why he said how many scum there were, however I went back and read the rules and as far as I can see he is right. I haven't been scum for 2 years and those of you that have playedwith me when I am scum should have noticed that I try and make up nice neat little cases against the person I am voting for. As Town I haven't the foggiest who is scum and just write whatever comes to mind at the time.
Unvote: Captain Klutz
Vote: gnarlycharlie
Because I am irritated and he votes for me in nearly every game.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 6:58:31 GMT -5
Post by Captain Klutz on Dec 16, 2013 6:58:31 GMT -5
It looked as if Captain knew too much because of they why he said how many scum there were, however I went back and read the rules and as far as I can see he is right. I haven't been scum for 2 years and those of you that have playedwith me when I am scum should have noticed that I try and make up nice neat little cases against the person I am voting for. As Town I haven't the foggiest who is scum and just write whatever comes to mind at the time. Unvote: Captain Klutz Vote: gnarlycharlie Because I am irritated and he votes for me in nearly every game. (bleached) The first player post of the game (reply #2, by guiri) also referred to there being 3 scum. Why did you not find that suspicious? Oh, and getting voted for is rather common in mafia games. Voting for someone for actions in other games is a bit dubious.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 8:44:24 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Dec 16, 2013 8:44:24 GMT -5
It looked as if Captain knew too much because of they why he said how many scum there were, however I went back and read the rules and as far as I can see he is right. I haven't been scum for 2 years and those of you that have playedwith me when I am scum should have noticed that I try and make up nice neat little cases against the person I am voting for. As Town I haven't the foggiest who is scum and just write whatever comes to mind at the time. Unvote: Captain Klutz Vote: gnarlycharlie Because I am irritated and he votes for me in nearly every game. (bleached) The first player post of the game (reply #2, by guiri) also referred to there being 3 scum. Why did you not find that suspicious? Oh, and getting voted for is rather common in mafia games. Voting for someone for actions in other games is a bit dubious. I don't know why I didn't find guiri suspicious, your post just stood out. I am not just voting for gnarly for voting me in other games, he is voting for me in this game too. I will be quite happy to be voted off cos this is just not fun anymore. On D1 I am trying to defend a silly vote and it's been taken way too seriously and I haven't really said very much at all.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 10:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 16, 2013 10:41:44 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings about a no-lynch Day One, in that any Day with no lynch gives us no information. But I'm not sure that's as critical this game.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 11:36:52 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Dec 16, 2013 11:36:52 GMT -5
Last Edit: 14 Dec 2013 at 20:58 by patricia One penalty for post edit. Players are instantly mod-killed and auto-lose when reaching four penalties.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 11:46:29 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 16, 2013 11:46:29 GMT -5
I haven't been scum for 2 years and those of you that have playedwith me when I am scum should have noticed that I try and make up nice neat little cases against the person I am voting for. As Town I haven't the foggiest who is scum and just write whatever comes to mind at the time. This is pretty much the same "I always play like this when I'm town" post that Archangel used in the last game. And as per Pleo's response to it - if you know these are your tells when you play as town or scum, then you are perfectly capable of faking those traits.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 12:47:31 GMT -5
Post by Chameleon on Dec 16, 2013 12:47:31 GMT -5
I haven't been scum for 2 years and those of you that have playedwith me when I am scum should have noticed that I try and make up nice neat little cases against the person I am voting for. As Town I haven't the foggiest who is scum and just write whatever comes to mind at the time. This is pretty much the same "I always play like this when I'm town" post that Archangel used in the last game. And as per Pleo's response to it - if you know these are your tells when you play as town or scum, then you are perfectly capable of faking those traits. I totally agree with you Bill - the whole idea of being Scum is to be a good faker. That said I remember playing a couple of games where players were very frustrated and just gave up and I remember others saying that that more typically comes from Town. Clearly Silverjan is very frustrated (don't give up though!) and I've been there myself as Town. But I would totally fake it as Scum too. So is Silverjan truly a frustrated Townie, or a Scummy faker? I don't think there's enough info to make an educated guess on it but right now I'm erring on the side of believing her - just a feeling.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 12:58:24 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Dec 16, 2013 12:58:24 GMT -5
Vote: Chameleon I thought her votes on the joke voters was a little too forced, like a scum trying a little too hard, but this post above is too much. Wishy-washy and cuddling Bill and Jan both. She says she agrees with Bill, but then she doesn't really. She thinks Jan might be scum, but then she doesn't.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 13:04:43 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 16, 2013 13:04:43 GMT -5
It looked as if Captain knew too much because of they why he said how many scum there were, however I went back and read the rules and as far as I can see he is right. I haven't been scum for 2 years and those of you that have playedwith me when I am scum should have noticed that I try and make up nice neat little cases against the person I am voting for. As Town I haven't the foggiest who is scum and just write whatever comes to mind at the time. I haven't played with you enough to know if the above is true, but if it is, I'd suggest that maybe you should try to play more like you do when you're Scum when you're Town. --- Meanwhile, I'd like to talk a bit about the bidding. It seems to me that pretty much any substantive bidding, except on the kills (more to come on that), is bad for us. Every single extra Town death that results from the auction hurts us a lot - two or three of them will pretty much swing the game. If the Scum don't care about actually getting powers, they can bid on them strategically to ensure that anyone who does get them runs a risk of death. We must be very careful about how we bid. The Obfuscate power is sort of interesting, in that I'm not sure it's all that important to bid on. Its very existence serves the same purpose as using it would - creating doubt about the accuracy of any given investigation. The killing power, though, is really troublesome. We cannot bid on it just to keep it out of Scum hands, because bidding requires using the power. Thus any Town player successfully bidding on the kill is going to be shooting (early on, anyway) blindly and risking their own death in doing it. Thus each Town player takes an enormous risk by making a substantial bid on the kill, since it could easily result it two Town deaths plus the Scum kill in a single Night; let that happen even once, and we're in deep trouble. On the other hand, we cannot simply abandon the extra kill to the Scum, since Scum with two kills per Night will decimate us very quickly. I am not sure how to handle this one, and think some general discussion might be helpful.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 13:40:48 GMT -5
Post by Chameleon on Dec 16, 2013 13:40:48 GMT -5
Vote: ChameleonI thought her votes on the joke voters was a little too forced, like a scum trying a little too hard, but this post above is too much. Wishy-washy and cuddling Bill and Jan both. She says she agrees with Bill, but then she doesn't really. She thinks Jan might be scum, but then she doesn't. I'm talking through my thoughts. My conclusion was that there currently isn't enough information to really guess as to whether or not Silverjan seems Scummy. I agreed with Bill on the fact that Scum players might fake their Town tells during any given game, but I didn't agree or disagree with his feelings about whether Silverjan is doing that or not. Yes, it's wishy-washy, fine. I'm sharing my ideas because I thought that's what we're supposed to do - the more ideas we present, the more options we have. Unless you're Scum, in which case you don't want too many ideas floating around out there so you jump on the people who express them. Essentially you're voting for me because I'm trying - good for you! I'd vote for you, but I already have - and now I have reason to leave my vote there. Thanks!
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 13:57:23 GMT -5
Post by Chameleon on Dec 16, 2013 13:57:23 GMT -5
The killing power, though, is really troublesome. We cannot bid on it just to keep it out of Scum hands, because bidding requires using the power. Thus any Town player successfully bidding on the kill is going to be shooting (early on, anyway) blindly and risking their own death in doing it. Thus each Town player takes an enormous risk by making a substantial bid on the kill, since it could easily result it two Town deaths plus the Scum kill in a single Night; let that happen even once, and we're in deep trouble. On the other hand, we cannot simply abandon the extra kill to the Scum, since Scum with two kills per Night will decimate us very quickly. I am not sure how to handle this one, and think some general discussion might be helpful. I'm going to risk trying some more. Yikes! Interesting thoughts. I wonder if there's actually a way to strategize this? Strategy isn't really my thing so I can't really help with how. Is there a way we can assign aspects of upcoming power bids in order to protect Town without giving away too much? Like deciding ahead of time a series of powers utilized on the same player who the majority find suspicious? I can't see a way of doing it without Scum being able to thwart it with other powers though. Unfortunately Scum may also be able to use any attempted strategy against Town. I'm guessing that most players will bid fairly low to avoid an additional risk of dying early in the game.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 15:04:49 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Dec 16, 2013 15:04:49 GMT -5
The whole idea of bidding on something seems to be very risky but I noticed that if no one else bids on a power then the price paid is zero. To me this implies that the risk factor wouldn't be there if only one person was bidding on a particular power which would then force Townies to bid because if they are too scared of bidding because of the risk of dying then scum would be able to bid without risk and Town would be decimated. This really is a conundrum for Town. No, I don't have any answers.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 16:31:28 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 16, 2013 16:31:28 GMT -5
The killing power, though, is really troublesome. We cannot bid on it just to keep it out of Scum hands, because bidding requires using the power. Thus any Town player successfully bidding on the kill is going to be shooting (early on, anyway) blindly and risking their own death in doing it. Yes, the risk of multiple Scum kills is bad. And yes, Town shooting blind is bad -- and risking their own life to do so is bad -- but no worse, I think, than a Compulsory Town Vig is, either. And no, I can't believe I just typed that.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 16:33:15 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 16, 2013 16:33:15 GMT -5
NETA: I mean, that I of all people am essentially arguing for a Town Vig.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 16:47:10 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Dec 16, 2013 16:47:10 GMT -5
I say we lynch someone Day One even if it is a total guess.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 16:50:37 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Dec 16, 2013 16:50:37 GMT -5
Rules addendum: Because Nights are only 24 hours long, I'll allow early bids during the Day for the following Night. Note that bids can be changed anytime before the end of Night.
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 17:14:49 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 16, 2013 17:14:49 GMT -5
Meanwhile, I'd like to talk a bit about the bidding. It seems to me that pretty much any substantive bidding, except on the kills (more to come on that), is bad for us. Every single extra Town death that results from the auction hurts us a lot - two or three of them will pretty much swing the game. If the Scum don't care about actually getting powers, they can bid on them strategically to ensure that anyone who does get them runs a risk of death. We must be very careful about how we bid. The Obfuscate power is sort of interesting, in that I'm not sure it's all that important to bid on. Its very existence serves the same purpose as using it would - creating doubt about the accuracy of any given investigation. The killing power, though, is really troublesome. We cannot bid on it just to keep it out of Scum hands, because bidding requires using the power. Thus any Town player successfully bidding on the kill is going to be shooting (early on, anyway) blindly and risking their own death in doing it. Thus each Town player takes an enormous risk by making a substantial bid on the kill, since it could easily result it two Town deaths plus the Scum kill in a single Night; let that happen even once, and we're in deep trouble. On the other hand, we cannot simply abandon the extra kill to the Scum, since Scum with two kills per Night will decimate us very quickly. I am not sure how to handle this one, and think some general discussion might be helpful. Ooo heck, I'm finding myself agreeing with Story - that's troublesome in its own right. But yeah, this game has a lot of proverbial "big red buttons" - push me and something good may happen - or something bad - or both. Bidding accelerates the number of dead; scum can't really afford to bid (and win) on anything as it could result in their death - which they really can't afford
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Day One
Dec 16, 2013 17:15:00 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Dec 16, 2013 17:15:00 GMT -5
Vote: Chameleon I thought her votes on the joke voters was a little too forced, like a scum trying a little too hard, but this post above is too much. Wishy-washy and cuddling Bill and Jan both. She says she agrees with Bill, but then she doesn't really. She thinks Jan might be scum, but then she doesn't. Hey, what's wrong with a good cuddle! ;-)
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