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Post by Colby11 on May 12, 2014 8:30:57 GMT -5
Green gem- archangel, patricia, Mary, Meeko, Lightfoot,
Black gem- Mahaloth, johnnybravo, Dizzymrslizzy, Silver Jan
Vote count
Meeko- Paulwhoisaghost
Archangel- Storyteller
Storyteller- Archangel
Mary- Peeker
Mahaloth- Lightfoot
Paulwhoisaghost- Crys, Meeko
Lightfoot- Silver Jan
With these votes, Paul will be lynched. Day ends in 5.5 hours
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Post by xarchangelx on May 12, 2014 8:34:14 GMT -5
I think Paul's vote is reasonable, in that I can see where he took Meeko's post as smudging. But I took Meeko's post as a way to start discussion, and possibly to see if he provoked a reaction, which is reasonable for Day One.
What is not reasonable for Day One is a bunch of single votes and someone getting lynched by one vote, and you guys fighting isn't helping town.
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Post by xarchangelx on May 12, 2014 8:52:33 GMT -5
Six people haven't voted yet, and of the eight who have, two votes (the vote on Mary from Peeker and the vote on me from Storyteller) are ostensibly just to test Peeker's idea. So out of 14 players there are six "real" votes? I'm very suspicious of the people holding back votes now.
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Post by Chameleon on May 12, 2014 9:12:01 GMT -5
Paul coming out of the gate so loud and obvious seems like something risky and stupid as scum and he doesn't seem like either to me. However I don't agree with his case on Meeko either. Except for the fact that this may be one of the few times Meeko has made sense to me, and that might warrant suspicion, but it's unfair to vote based solely on that.
I was also curious about Lightfoot's possible advanced knowledge of the gems. But I fail to see why that would make her more likely to be Scum than Town? Meeko and Silverjan have both now postulated that knowledge of gems = potential Scumminess. This makes me wonder if they know more and they're just pretending not to. I still don't think this necessarily reflects on alignment though.
To be honest I would prefer that we have no lynch today, mostly considering how spread out the votes are. But I play cautiously and would prefer to not risk losing a Townie on Day 1 over information (which will come later in the game). Archangel, you seem to also be concerned about the spread of votes - would you consider voting no lynch or are you completely against it?
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Post by Chameleon on May 12, 2014 9:18:04 GMT -5
Colby - I thought Day ended on Tuesday?
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Post by crys on May 12, 2014 9:40:06 GMT -5
At the moment I think Meeko is just being Meeko and I don't think Pauls original vote holds up and I do wonder why he is trying to make such a big thing about it. There does seem to be a bit of history there and it's rather difficult to sort out what is real and what is perceived. I need a Meeko dictionary. I think somedays we all need a meeko dictionary lol Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards
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Post by xarchangelx on May 12, 2014 9:40:32 GMT -5
Chameleon, unless I'm missing something the rules don't state that no lynch is an option. But if it is I would definitely consider voting that.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 12, 2014 9:54:53 GMT -5
So Chameleon, you think that because I think that someone else has insider information about the gems that I must have insider information about the gems and am just pretending not to have insider information about the gems?
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Post by Chameleon on May 12, 2014 10:00:52 GMT -5
So Chameleon, you think that because I think that someone else has insider information about the gems that I must have insider information about the gems and am just pretending not to have insider information about the gems? I guess it just never occurred to me that players would know what gems did until they did whatever they were going to do. So when a few players have suggested this as a possibility it just makes me wonder if you know something I don't. Or perhaps I just feel stupid that it didn't occur to me. I will reiterate though, even if some players know something about the gems that others don't I can't see how that would be an indication of alignment. So I wasn't accusing you of anything - but do I sense a hint of defensiveness?
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Post by Chameleon on May 12, 2014 10:04:13 GMT -5
Chameleon, unless I'm missing something the rules don't state that no lynch is an option. But if it is I would definitely consider voting that. You're right, I don't see anything in the rules about it either. Another question Colby - can we vote No Lynch?
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Post by Meeko on May 12, 2014 10:36:37 GMT -5
Colby - I thought Day ended on Tuesday? This. Tuesday at 3 or around there pm central?
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Post by Meeko on May 12, 2014 10:38:38 GMT -5
At the moment I think Meeko is just being Meeko and I don't think Pauls original vote holds up and I do wonder why he is trying to make such a big thing about it. There does seem to be a bit of history there and it's rather difficult to sort out what is real and what is perceived. I need a Meeko dictionary. I think somedays we all need a meeko dictionary lol Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards Ywha oda ouya aysa attha?
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Post by Meeko on May 12, 2014 10:42:04 GMT -5
I would like Paul to comment further on his claim. It was cryptic, at best.
And that's comming from Meeko, so you know it's cryptic.
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2014 10:43:33 GMT -5
my reasoning is weak - I admitted that- but I have the strange idea that the Black gems may benefit the dark side I do realize that we all thought there were only 2 gems total in the beginning- we were wrong- but if the black gem does benefit Scum more than Town it stands to reason that Scum would want to be sure to nab it I don't think it's possible that the black gems will always benefit scum and green will always benefit town. Otherwise scum wouldn't be able to take black gems without giving themselves away. I agree Archangel- but I can’t help think it is ‘likely’ that a dark gem would benefit Scum Care to elaborate on "mess" ? At that time there were 6 different players with one vote apiece- some of which were voted in response to the suggestion that we watch for vote manipulation- and our lynch leader was only the leader because they were voted first. LightFoot, you "almost want to think" that scum players would pick a black gem, then you vote for a player that picked up a black gem which raised my eyebrows more than somewhat. Why would the mod do something so obviously against the scum team? In future all that would have to happen is vote for the person that picked up a black gem, oh look, another scum. This doesn't sit well with me at all, I think you know a bit more about these gems than we do. Unvote: LightFoot [/color][/quote] Yes- I have a feeling that the black gem may be more beneficial to Scum than Town- and I voted the player that grabbed what I thought initially was the only one available this Day. I don’t think that every Scum needs a black gem-( as you and others posted that would be game breaking- and my comment was not intended to imply such) and it may benefit a Town player as well- perhaps in a different way ( see previous post) I don’t know anything more about the gems than has been posted here- I was theorizing- In magical stories the dark crystal is generally beneficial to the evil doers
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Post by Meeko on May 12, 2014 10:52:41 GMT -5
Did lightfoot just claim Skeksis?!
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Post by Mahaloth on May 12, 2014 10:55:49 GMT -5
Lightfoot, you must know that it would be ludicrous to design the game in a way where the colors of the gems meaning anything other than colors. It doesn't matter if dark benefits evil in stories, this is a game people are trying to solve and win.
Yes, it's me you voted for since I went first, but I'm still voting it.
Vote Lightfoot
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2014 10:59:31 GMT -5
Lightfoot, you must know that it would be ludicrous to design the game in a way where the colors of the gems meaning anything other than colors. It doesn't matter if dark benefits evil in stories, this is a game people are trying to solve and win. Yes, it's me you voted for since I went first, but I'm still voting it. []Vote Lightfooti was theorizing my reasoning is no less viable than any other- we don't appear to have any solid cases with legs at this time- what makes my suggestions worse?
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Post by Silver Jan on May 12, 2014 11:11:50 GMT -5
Lightfoot, you must know that it would be ludicrous to design the game in a way where the colors of the gems meaning anything other than colors. It doesn't matter if dark benefits evil in stories, this is a game people are trying to solve and win. Yes, it's me you voted for since I went first, but I'm still voting it. []Vote Lightfooti was theorizing my reasoning is no less viable than any other- we don't appear to have any solid cases with legs at this time- what makes my suggestions worse? But after your theory you still voted for someone who had picked up the black gem so you must have thought it more than a theory, is there anything else that pinged you about Maha or just that he picked a black gem that with your theory would be game breaking.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 12, 2014 11:13:58 GMT -5
I think somedays we all need a meeko dictionary lol Sent from my SPH-L710 using proboards Ywha oda ouya aysa attha? Because you confuse people and I for one don't always know what you are getting at.
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2014 11:41:17 GMT -5
i was theorizing my reasoning is no less viable than any other- we don't appear to have any solid cases with legs at this time- what makes my suggestions worse? But after your theory you still voted for someone who had picked up the black gem so you must have thought it more than a theory, is there anything else that pinged you about Maha or just that he picked a black gem that with your theory would be game breaking. we are not speaking the same language at the time maha took the black gem I believed there was only one black gem to be had- I assumed we all did - and my theory would not be game breaking if no one else thought of it - or there was only one black gem I was using the Day1 logic that any information is good information - so I tossed it out for discussion
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Post by xarchangelx on May 12, 2014 12:42:15 GMT -5
But after your theory you still voted for someone who had picked up the black gem so you must have thought it more than a theory, is there anything else that pinged you about Maha or just that he picked a black gem that with your theory would be game breaking. we are not speaking the same language at the time maha took the black gem I believed there was only one black gem to be had- I assumed we all did - and my theory would not be game breaking if no one else thought of it - or there was only one black gem I was using the Day1 logic that any information is good information - so I tossed it out for discussion I was having trouble following you too, and then I thought I understood you, and now I don't again. You thought there would only ever be one black gem when Mahaloth took it, and that's why you voted him? Okay, that makes sense, but:
1. He claims he took the black gem under the assumption that there would be more. 2. I admit I took the green gem under the assumption that there would not be any more. 3. Your vote is still on Mahaloth.
Why?
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Post by johnnybravo on May 12, 2014 14:11:22 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I'm not lurking. I've just never played on these boards and this site is not in my normal rotation, so I don't always remember to visit it.
I will read through and vote before the end of the day; I promise.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 12, 2014 15:07:34 GMT -5
But after your theory you still voted for someone who had picked up the black gem so you must have thought it more than a theory, is there anything else that pinged you about Maha or just that he picked a black gem that with your theory would be game breaking. we are not speaking the same language at the time maha took the black gem I believed there was only one black gem to be had- I assumed we all did - and my theory would not be game breaking if no one else thought of it - or there was only one black gem I was using the Day1 logic that any information is good information - so I tossed it out for discussion I do understand what you are saying, I think, but early on in the game you asked the Mod for clarification about there being only one gem of each colour, it was explained that this is a game of gems, not a game of gem. Later you theorise that black gems are good for scum and in your very next post you vote for Maha because of your theory and then you back track once you realised that if black gems were only good for scum it would be game breaking. You also say that you opened up your theory for discussion, which is a great idea but you voted before any discussion was underway. Maybe I am not understanding after all.
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Post by johnnybravo on May 12, 2014 17:15:49 GMT -5
Vote: Lightfoot
The "black gems are scum gems" theory is just too wrongheaded to ignore. To me, it's worse than a random Day 1 "just voting to get a vote out there and poke people" vote since it implicates somebody as scum when there's no cogent reason to connect those dots together.
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2014 17:24:27 GMT -5
I never said it was an end all be all theory Yes I have voted for the person that I thought suspect for ( initially thinking) that they had taken the only black gem available today I didn’t say black gems were only good for Scum I think that black ( or dark) gems could be more beneficial to Scum I didn’t back track My vote should not have negated any conversation- it’s a D1 vote
My vote is still on Maha because I feel he is Scum- call it gut And the front runners are ( were) tied with 2 each- not a landslide at this time- I am at work and composing in dribs and drabs- I am going to attempt an uninterrupted re- read this evening
At this rate I may be lynched with only 3 votes- perhaps the way some people are interpreting my comments will give you more insight toMorrow
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Post by peekercpa on May 12, 2014 18:13:12 GMT -5
I'm done.... You've gone beyond using logic to play a fun game and are clearly now just using words to express your hostile feelings towards me. I thought we could play together after the amount of time that has gone by... but you can't even handle a single vote from me without getting hostile and using the game as a medium for mocking me. couple of things. i am still farking with this whole quote thingy. i will endeavor to perservere. www.youtube.com/watch?v=csEzTwKemwYfirst: ignore meeko. second if you ain't having fun don't fucking play. third if someone puckers your butt pucker theirs back or ignore them. if that don't work invest in prep h, k-y or long baths. if that don't work dick with meeko[b/]. if that don't work rinse lather repeat. capiche compadre?
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Post by Meeko on May 12, 2014 18:46:39 GMT -5
The votes on Lightfoot feel wrong.
To me, the appeal to the fantasy genre as it corresponds to gem color, is similar to the appeal made in LOST as that game corresponded role to character name.
Some of us learned, thanks in part to LOST to mix things up a bit, as to not play into assumptions. (It was game breaking to LOST.) However some of us here did not play in LOST, and may be dealing with this concept for the first time.
There is reason, therefore to give benefit of the doubt. The least of which being that it is day 1.
Not everyone here got to learn things from LOST. The voting on Lightfoot feels like it is implying everyone has. This disparity is the reason I feel the votes on Lightfoot are wrong. It feels like something is being shoehorned in. Badly.
TL:DR The votes on Lightfoot are weak sauce. The motivation to vote Lightfoot here comes from a specific ......... brand of player that doesn't read too well when mixed into this group at large. It sticks out like a sore thumb, and the votes are suspect.
Put that another way: if this is a scum wagon on Lightfoot, I would wager that more than half of the scum team have SDMB mafia playing experience.
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Post by Meeko on May 12, 2014 18:51:23 GMT -5
Has Peeker said anything recently?
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Post by LightFoot on May 12, 2014 19:01:04 GMT -5
Ok- try it this way- If there was only one black gem available and Scum wanted to be sure they had it they would have asked for it right away before discussing if there were more, or debating the pros and cons of said gem.
Black is just a reference point
If there was one dark in color and one light in color I would have made the same connections
I can’t say they are accurate connections- but I was following my own piper
Given the choice between a rock or a bunny Scum would likely take the rock- thinking that is has the capacity to cause harm to others.
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Post by Mahaloth on May 12, 2014 19:24:02 GMT -5
The votes on Lightfoot feel wrong. To me, the appeal to the fantasy genre as it corresponds to gem color, is similar to the appeal made in LOST as that game corresponded role to character name. I think the only one who needed to learn anything from that game was me. I made it and was inexperienced enough to fail to realize that connecting any color to any alignment was foolish. Just because not many here played in that gamem, doesn't mean people don't inherently get it. Black is unlikely to mean anything other than black. Green, too. Unless some role connects to colors somehow. I don't even know what that would mean. Has Peeker said anything recently? Yes, a half an hour before you.
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