Hockey Monkey!
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2008 17:19:52 GMT -5
Just for the record...if I had ever had to claim, I was just going to say "I am not Wang Chung". Would that have been kosher?
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Post by Hawkmod on Feb 15, 2008 18:18:30 GMT -5
Hey Hockey you killed me. So not cool. Just because I was a mortal enemy...
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 15, 2008 18:24:34 GMT -5
All dead!
Cat... I actually provided more of a reason than the "kill Cat at the first opportunity" one that DBI posted. You were a pretty dynamic voice in leading the town, and while I didn't really peg you for a power role, I've always felt that knocking off talkative townies is the best way forward for the scum. Day two was exactly what I'd hoped it would be: not much real action, followed by a slow, scum dominated lynch. I wanted to knock off Roosh ast night because, although I didn't think he'd be a figure for the town to rally around, a confirmed townie who's not likely to be protected (because he lost his powers) is always a tantalizing target for the town. The small number of players we cycle through is a bit problematic: scum know who is going to be a dynamic force amongst the town, and can pull for their lynch or night kill them. If one of the three scum factions doesn't silence story or Pleo tomorrow, I'll be amazed. 4 scum, 3 power roles and 5 peasants.... I like the chances of this coming out a scum win.
Any reason why Wu knocked me off?
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Post by Hawkmod on Feb 15, 2008 18:32:38 GMT -5
It was Nesta's idea. You said the things he was thinking, which made him think you were scum. Of course, that argument doesn't work terribly well during the day, so we thought it best to do at night. We really did want to take out scum. Actually his first choice was Storyteller. I'm glad I talked him out it as it would of failed miserably.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 15, 2008 18:38:38 GMT -5
Wow. I had pegged you as scum, myself, but wouldn't have dreamed of taking you out. I thought the est hope for the scum was to get to an endgame quickly and hope for a draw that included as many factions as possible.
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Post by Hawkmod on Feb 15, 2008 19:00:40 GMT -5
I didn't want a draw ;D
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2008 19:04:34 GMT -5
Hawkeye, I killed you because you pinged my scumdar hard when you were being so obtuse about me and piratepete's comments to each other. It was fun too.
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Post by Hawkmod on Feb 15, 2008 19:08:35 GMT -5
I think let it slide, he hasn't really claimed any power for himself, just what he has spoken to the Mods about. But he has hinted that he does have a role which loses power through claiming, just not which role it might be. He hasn't been any near as obvious as Roosh. Oh, and if no-one targets him tonight, chalk up a really obvious miss to the scum. I was pretty sure Pleo was a power role, but that is precisely why I didn't want to target him. If we attacked a power role we would have a 50% chance of failing to kill, a 25% of taking out someone else's doctor (Roosh was right, I had no interest in that) and a 25% chance at taking out a vig, which would of been the only positive scenario. So I don't think it is something I or the other scum groups missed.
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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 15, 2008 19:35:46 GMT -5
Just for the record...if I had ever had to claim, I was just going to say "I am not Wang Chung". Would that have been kosher? As long as you didn't claim what your powers entailed, sure. Claims that I (but not necessarily sachertorte) would have also considered kosher: *I am Wang Chung ;D *I am the Chia Bingo Manager ;D *I am Zhang Bao/Zhang Jiao/Zhang Liang *I am Zuo Ci *I am the Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out its Ass ;D
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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 15, 2008 20:04:34 GMT -5
Is it wrong that I hear this as voiced by Chris Griffin from _Family Guy_? ;D
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 16, 2008 1:57:42 GMT -5
:Sigh: Yeah, I guess i screwed it up for the Town by holding out, but I figured okay, 2 days wasted on me, we've got a Week... Something'll turn up. -_- So I guess some insights on my end of things: The added benefit of all three claiming is that scum are more likely to double up. My personal feeling is the weak doctors' true power is from claiming, not Night Action. This is how i felt when I learned my role. I saw the Doctors as a Mason group of 3. However, trying to convince other people of that i knew would be futile. So i tried to play my role as if I was a mason and NOT a Doctor. My opening on Day 2 was going to be a call for a mass role claim and to have the Doc's give up their powers in return for becoming an essentially confirmed mason block. -snip- I don't think anyone would have listened to me, but I think if the town stumbles into this position toDay it might be for the best. I totally agree with this plan. And I woulda been down with it IF you were a doctor and YOU said it. But at the time, I thought either one or both of you ( Cookies, or you NAF) were scum. And then when I got into my claim, I was put on the defensive, so I never really followed up on the Cookies lead. But this was my grouping: 1. Scum in: NAF and/or Cookies 2. Pleo was a Power role in my mind. I figured he might be the super Doc 3. Storyteller was Scum (as I couldn't fathom TWO doctors even trying to go after me just on this thing, it's too risky.) 4. Story or Hawkeye was scum. As people who come up with "voting plans" tend to be VERY suspicious in my book- because it's a great way to waste time AND get townie cred. By creating the idea of a tool that easily allows scum to slip into and follow. Unfortunately, with the Day 2 stuff, Storyteller was my guess of the 2 as more scummy. 5. I was suspicious of Atarus, as he was posting less, and less "Pro-Town" than in previous games. 6. I thought about your Meta-Game vote, NAF. And it made sense. But your defense post just seemed REALLY REALLY Over-Defensive to me, and that's what really made me think you were scummy. NOT the metagame vote as I was suspicious slightly of Hawkie (but more for his coming up iwth the alternative plan) and though i didn't like the metagaming aspect, I agreed with you it was different. I still contend his Slip on day 1 could be a slip- but that's only with the perfect knowledge now. Then it was simply too weak, and probably a slip. In an open game, where everyone knows the rules and the conditions, lying to save yourself is a really dumb idea. Because, other people with the same power will pick up on it and if you lie will consider you scum. Thanks to his actions, he has pretty much exposed at least one other minor doctor. -Yeah, that's when I realized i was in trouble and needed to come clean. Once i picked up on the Pleonast vibe and it hit me. Hopefully storyteller will be suspicious enough that the scum will WANT to keep him around and try to lynch him rather than NK him. My goal going into Day 2 was simple: Lay low and be Quiet now. Because I knew I lost my powers, so I figured I'd have one last trick up my sleeve- i figured the doctors wouldn't care about my claim, and neither would Townies. But SCUM would be the only people that'd really wanna pick on me further. So going into Day 2, I assumed i might get heat from 1-2 people, but hopefully i'd shrug it off and the Game would continue. -So when Storyteller attacked me, in my head i was going "Ah-HA! I found you!" as I figured only scum would care about the FINER details of my claim. A doctor would go "he's failed" and leave it at that. I didn't count on his persistence (Nor did I really like that he was able to ask the Q "If i role claimed like Roosh is that kosher, and get told "No. its not" basically by the Mods." If I was in his place and I saw that as a fellow Doc, I'd have assumed okay he's just lost his powers. Not that he's lying. But the thing was, as earlier stated, I had a Mason mentality of the whole thing. So I figured the CLAIM itself is what matters not the powers. So for story to go on about the powers and abilities made me assume he was REALLY scummy. It NEVER crossed my mind that he was the other doctor. Pleo was the one that made me go "oh crap! this is too far!" and I came clean. But even then, I thought Story was scummy for it, because it was just too much, and I didn't think a doctor would be that aggressive about it. Hell even scum wouldn't want that risk i thought. I really had Story pegged as a Shu guy who was willing to lay it on the line to help his partner out. Also what i didn't foresee was that Me vs. Story would become the ONLY thing that the Town talked about on Day 2 for the first two days. I tried to bring up the votes, and to talk about other things, but it seemed that Story vs. Roosh was the only thing that mattered. Which really hurt us in the end, and yeah, I am to blame for a part of that. I thought i was gonna be a side topic, not the whole main event. That's always what made me realize i need to start claiming quickly. And then afterwards. Silence. -_- It sucked. But never did I feel this game was WAY too pro-Town. I felt it was REALLY Scum favored, especially with the late Info-Revealing of loss of powers (so I got to shoot myself in the foot with that one- but that was my fault. I assumed i'd instantly know. -_-') The only way it coulda been too pro-town is if the 3 weak docs claimed at the start. But I figured NO ONE else would go with a plan THAT crazy, it'd be scummy to even bring it up. And with that, my thoughts. You'll only get smaller comments from me after this.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 16, 2008 8:08:03 GMT -5
Aaaaaargh, Rugger! Either everyone's going to believe you and think Pleonast is scum, or more likely, nobody is going to believe you, and they'll think you're scum. Either way, a shitty way to start the Day.
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 16, 2008 10:58:25 GMT -5
Yeah....
Come on, I gave enough hints that Pleo is NOT the one to lynch at all.... Listen to me dammit! I'm not THAT much of a liar! Look back and see who jumped onto the Drainwagon! (Though the fact that both pleo and Rugger is on it is a bummer at the end). But I think there were quite a bit of scum in there too....
Scum now seem to be getting their votes in earlier rather than later. Good move on their part.
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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 16, 2008 18:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 16, 2008 21:04:25 GMT -5
Isn't diggit breaking the rule against posters posting vote counts? Or is a retroactive vote count from the day before okay?
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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 16, 2008 21:33:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd ruled that retroactive votecounts are okay.
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 18, 2008 0:37:35 GMT -5
Well dio, if your plan was to kill off the talkative people in the Town reducing it to a silent group of townspeople on the very verge of slipping down the slippery slope to silly sheephood, then You have Succeeded, my friend. (This was my message I accidentally posted over in the "bored" thread. Luckily I realized it when no one was really reading this site there was only 1 guest [12:30am or so EST0 and corrected it in 2 seconds. But still. T'was a close one, nothing incriminating though in the message, but still. Crisis averted, peoples! )
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 18, 2008 7:36:58 GMT -5
Quiet... isn't it
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Post by Death By Irony on Feb 18, 2008 9:57:17 GMT -5
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 18, 2008 10:45:01 GMT -5
Gah, I really don't understand this "Vanillas should lie" business from Story. It was never my point, and the fact that he keeps using it STILL even after I came up as a power role seems really unnerving. Esp. if they end up killing Hal and he turns out to be Town, then its all going to come back and blow up in Story's face. 1. Just because you agree with a tactic, doesn't mean you DO the tactic. 2. Vanillas should REALLY REALLY REALLY Never lie if at all possible. -I've always tried to make that clear, only Power Roles since they know more than the avg. townie. :sigh:
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 18, 2008 11:04:14 GMT -5
It's not your fault DBI. The town needs to get started or it is going to wind up going the same way as last time. And that would be a shame.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 18, 2008 13:40:57 GMT -5
The town has gotten started. Unfortunately, it's our remaining peasants ganging up on each other, for the most part. *sigh*
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 18, 2008 15:28:46 GMT -5
At this rate, Mod Zaps will occur by Friday, some people have not even posted yet
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Feb 18, 2008 23:40:29 GMT -5
Well dio, if your plan was to kill off the talkative people in the Town reducing it to a silent group of townspeople on the very verge of slipping down the slippery slope to silly sheephood, then You have Succeeded, my friend. (This was my message I accidentally posted over in the "bored" thread. Luckily I realized it when no one was really reading this site there was only 1 guest [12:30am or so EST0 and corrected it in 2 seconds. But still. T'was a close one, nothing incriminating though in the message, but still. Crisis averted, peoples! ) So it makes for a boring game... you gotta admit, it's effective for the scum!
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 19, 2008 0:44:34 GMT -5
Yes. Yes it does. Just because I used it as a strategy when Scum, doesn't mean I have to like it when I'm town though.
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Post by Hawkmod on Feb 19, 2008 9:45:36 GMT -5
Santo realizes he isn't actually scum in this game right?
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 19, 2008 10:32:59 GMT -5
Man. Cookies is really getting scummy on my radar with that WIFOM defense. NO Townie should really try to bring in WIFOM as a defensive mechanism to defend themselves because its such a scummy tactic- all it does is create doubt and confusion, which the TOWN wants to avoid.... Combine Nesta's 'Good post' + Cookie's Awful Defense= I know where i'd be voting toDay....
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Post by CatInASuit on Feb 19, 2008 16:13:52 GMT -5
I never knew storyteller's first name was "But" Actually DBI, I think storyteller would appreciate it if you edited that little piece of information. If he hasn't already PM'd you, you know.
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Post by RoOsh on Feb 20, 2008 0:49:05 GMT -5
Wow. I like Story's defense of pleo actually. It's quite... refreshing after dragging me around the Walls of Troy. What I dislike though is Atarus-who seems to have some Bostonian ring-rust around his bones.... Maybe it's the Curse of the Patriots on him or something, but right now his big 1 & 2 suspects are the doctors. (-_-) That's NOT a good thing for him, especially since he's usually one who's very cautious and smart with his voting. I think he's too focused on the No-lynch idea but isn't checking out the fact that Scum Do NOT like being the Tie breakers in these sorts of things but would rather be the MOST inconspicuous votes in such a situation.
It's one reason why I voted 4th. I knew I was going to be creating a Tie, but I realized that if I didn't do it (knowing that I was probably going to die at some point/ hoping that I still had some Townie cred about it) that Scum probably wouldn't really WANT to create a tiebreaker situation there.... Interesting thing is that Kat did the same thing though, pushing the DB lynch a bit further, but still.... in my mind the "safer" DB votes should be the ones that should be looked at, especially the ones made without any reasoning.
I really hope this Day doesn't end with another power role claiming.
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Post by Drain Bead on Feb 20, 2008 13:02:39 GMT -5
I want to beat the crap out of this town. The first votes for me were illogical and weak, and I called them on it!
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