Death By Irony
FGM
The Former Mandate of Heaven/Current Gastard Night Mod
I'm my own mind-altering substance!
Posts: 109
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Death By Irony on Feb 4, 2008 18:17:29 GMT -5
What it says on the box. (Who Yan Luo is according to Wiki.)
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 4, 2008 19:39:37 GMT -5
What up my dead hommies!
Am I the only one here?
bah!
And to everyone who thought my metagame reason for voting for hawk was bunk...suck on it. My gut rules!
|
|
Death By Irony
FGM
The Former Mandate of Heaven/Current Gastard Night Mod
I'm my own mind-altering substance!
Posts: 109
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Death By Irony on Feb 4, 2008 19:50:36 GMT -5
I haven't given them the secret password yet. I'm waiting to see if they want to sit on the sub bench. (Again, sorry about the goof. )
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 5, 2008 11:12:08 GMT -5
Don't worry about it.. It's like I have a private phone line to the gods (for now). I'm just sad I got taken out so quickly (again).
Seriously, my scum tell should be surviving past Day 3.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 5, 2008 12:48:59 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Any chance of access to the scum threads. I want to know which of the varied reasons Diomedes has for used killing me ;D Oh and what is going on with storyteller
|
|
Death By Irony
FGM
The Former Mandate of Heaven/Current Gastard Night Mod
I'm my own mind-altering substance!
Posts: 109
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Death By Irony on Feb 5, 2008 13:25:50 GMT -5
The scum boards will be unlocked after the game.
As far as the reason for your death, Diomedes had this to say: "My first instinct is to kill CatinaSuit.... but that's always going to be my instinct."
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 5, 2008 13:41:54 GMT -5
The scum boards will be unlocked after the game. As far as the reason for your death, Diomedes had this to say: "My first instinct is to kill CatinaSuit.... but that's always going to be my instinct." Remind me to blow him up more often
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 5, 2008 14:25:16 GMT -5
Hey Death By Irony, that's a nice picture of Sun Ce you whipped up there. As for the game, if I was in it I would probably be trying to lynch storyteller by now, over his reversal on Roosh from Day 1 to Day 2. And yes, NAF1138, you were right, congratulations, but you are supposed to find proof in the game. So what do people think, has Roosh's opening gambit helped or hindered the town?
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 5, 2008 15:46:16 GMT -5
Hey Death By Irony, that's a nice picture of Sun Ce you whipped up there. As for the game, if I was in it I would probably be trying to lynch storyteller by now, over his reversal on Roosh from Day 1 to Day 2. And yes, NAF1138, you were right, congratulations, but you are supposed to find proof in the game. So what do people think, has Roosh's opening gambit helped or hindered the town? Sadly, I wasn't too serious about my vote. It was really just a gut reaction based on what I thought was a massive differnece in approach to this game on the part of Hawk. He was being cautious and well reasoned, which is not what the paranoid player from the SDMB game looks like at all . It was an attempt to draw some attention my way, and see how people reacted to a metagame vote. Cookies reacted like scum, but I discounted her because she always acts like scum. (I know you disagree, but her vote on me was badly reasoned, and the fact that she stuck with it was scummy.) These are the scum tells in a game like this. No one likes metagaming, so how people react to someone who is blatently metagaming is a huge tell. Cookies vote was opportunistic in the extreme. But no one actually noticed but me, and I wasn't paying attention to the right things. I like to think that if I hadn't gotten sick I would have switched my vote to her eventually. But who knows.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 5, 2008 16:05:31 GMT -5
Well, I managed to miss all the scum completely and would be willing to lynch two of the doctors at this point. Yup, I could have had a really good game
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 5, 2008 16:14:27 GMT -5
I know, it is for the best that we are dead Cat. I am wondering what Story is on about. I can't think of a single good reason to be going after Roosh at this point. He is right about lying, but that doesn't make his vote for Roosh make sense. You can't look the info without the context of the rest of the game, and the current context should be telling him that Roosh should not be lynched. At least not yet.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 5, 2008 16:22:05 GMT -5
The biggest problem is that I can see the scum putting up a little resisitance to it and then going along with it.
When Roosh's role comes out, storyteller will be next on the block. His current logic makes no sense though. No-one counterclaimed Roosh despite a lot of Day 1 being available.
In some ways Roosh did it to himself when he lied during Day 1.
However, this will result in a claim for storyteller and the town gets further into problems with another rushed lynch.
The scum have got some good players as well. I am already getting slightly nervous for the town.
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 5, 2008 19:27:32 GMT -5
oh god, this is so painful to watch with perfect knowledge!
It's like a car wreck, I don't want to watch, but I can't look away.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 6, 2008 1:13:44 GMT -5
The problem is that Roosh is lying to prevent the scum finding out that he has lost his powers. He may disagree, but his claims have severaly freaked out the other doctors.
This will draw out the other doctors as Diomedes has pointed out.
Grief, this is bad, the town power roles are going to self-destruct.
This isn't a car wreck, it's a train wreck in slow motion.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 6, 2008 6:55:18 GMT -5
You know,
I can see today ending with all three minor doctors having to claim to prevent themselves from being lynched.
I really hope I am wrong.
|
|
|
Post by sachertorte on Feb 6, 2008 9:25:39 GMT -5
Don't feel too bad if the Doctors claim. Given the choice between power or confirmed townie, confirmed townie is slightly more powerful. The added benefit of all three claiming is that scum are more likely to double up. My personal feeling is the weak doctors' true power is from claiming, not Night Action. It would be nice if they weren't claiming so soon. On the other hand, the expected duration of the game is about 6 Days, so claiming on Day 2 isn't so so bad. The roleclaim restriction is a red herring. If all three weak doctors claimed then there would be 6 scum among 13 players. Those odds are remarkably good for a Mafia game. Plus, if scum spend time killing the doctors, they would potentially double up and would not be targeting Mao or the strong doctor.
Roosh really should just come clean and say that he lost his powers. I don't see what benefit he imagines from keeping that information from scum.
The funny thing is I was worried that the game setup is too pro-town.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 6, 2008 9:33:10 GMT -5
For our own personal amusement, here are the vote counts with perfect knowledge hijacked from Roosh
A half way through vote from shortly before the arbitrary voteline
Peasant Smurf (3) : hawkeyeop, NAF1138, Pleonast Hal Briston (1) : mhaye koldanar (7) : Diomedes, diggitcamara, RoOsh, drainbead, piratepete, atarus, Kat NAF1138 (1) : Cookies Pleonast (1) : Peasant Smurf piratepete (5) : Hockey Monkey, koldanar, CatInASuit, nesta, storyteller0910 Did Not Vote: Hal Briston, Santo Rugger
The final vote count
Peasant Smurf (1) : Pleonast koldanar (13) Diomedes, diggitcamara, RoOsh, drainbead, atarus, Kat, Santo Rugger, storyteller0910, NAF1138, nesta, hawkeyeop, mhaye, Cookies Pleonast (1) : Peasant Smurf piratepete (3) : Hockey Monkey, koldanar, CatInASuit Did Not Vote: PiratePete, Hal Briston
Peasant Scum Town Power role
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 6, 2008 9:44:51 GMT -5
Don't feel too bad if the Doctors claim. Given the choice between power or confirmed townie, confirmed townie is slightly more powerful. The added benefit of all three claiming is that scum are more likely to double up. My personal feeling is the weak doctors' true power is from claiming, not Night Action. It would be nice if they weren't claiming so soon. On the other hand, the expected duration of the game is about 6 Days, so claiming on Day 2 isn't so so bad. The roleclaim restriction is a red herring. If all three weak doctors claimed then there would be 6 scum among 13 players. Those odds are remarkably good for a Mafia game. Plus, if scum spend time killing the doctors, they would potentially double up and would not be targeting Mao or the strong doctor. Roosh really should just come clean and say that he lost his powers. I don't see what benefit he imagines from keeping that information from scum. The funny thing is I was worried that the game setup is too pro-town. I would agree that the confirmed townie is more beneficial to the town than the power itself, which is very weak by comparison. I would have said that if the doctors could make it through to Day 3 and then claim it would be powerful, Day 2 still leaves several Peasants for the scum to hide in. At least the scum have done slightly better in this game than in Conspiracy where there was multiple cross scum night kills which really hurt their chances. I would imagine most of the scum will be going for another townie/weak doctor tonight and then start looking at the other scum on Day 3. That is where it is going to get vicious as they will need the town backing to get their lynches through. I think Roosh is hurting the town by not revealing all, as until he does this will take up the majority of the conversation and the scum will be happy to let this one ride. My guess is that if it came to a rushed lynch, Peasant Smurf will be the victim. Given the number of Night Kills, I think a scum stalemate is likely to be the outcome of this game. The winner is going to be the group which manages to manipulate the others into doing their dirty work.
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 6, 2008 10:49:51 GMT -5
Don't feel too bad if the Doctors claim. Given the choice between power or confirmed townie, confirmed townie is slightly more powerful. The added benefit of all three claiming is that scum are more likely to double up. My personal feeling is the weak doctors' true power is from claiming, not Night Action. It would be nice if they weren't claiming so soon. On the other hand, the expected duration of the game is about 6 Days, so claiming on Day 2 isn't so so bad. The roleclaim restriction is a red herring. If all three weak doctors claimed then there would be 6 scum among 13 players. Those odds are remarkably good for a Mafia game. Plus, if scum spend time killing the doctors, they would potentially double up and would not be targeting Mao or the strong doctor. Roosh really should just come clean and say that he lost his powers. I don't see what benefit he imagines from keeping that information from scum. The funny thing is I was worried that the game setup is too pro-town. My opening on Day 2 was going to be a call for a mass role claim and to have the Doc's give up their powers in return for becoming an essentially confirmed mason block. I almost proposed it on Day 1, but talked myself out of it, thinking we needed the possibility of the docs to keep town alive long enough to stand a chance. But I realized that Night that the single super Doc and the vig could work together to give the town that edge. I don't think anyone would have listened to me, but I think if the town stumbles into this position toDay it might be for the best. The question is, will Pleo and Story be able to actually analyze the events and come to this realization instead of just continuing to go after Roosh.
|
|
|
Post by sachertorte on Feb 6, 2008 13:12:56 GMT -5
I find the whole thing very strange. The roles were designed with a choice: power or confirmation. Roosh wanted both, which is not allowed. He already lost his power, and by not admitting the truth he's losing his confirmed status as well. So instead of one or the other he gets neither.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 6, 2008 13:28:28 GMT -5
I am going to ask a really dumb question of the Mods.
Roosh has confirmed that he knows he has lost his powers, hasn't he?
A PM didn't go missing somewhere along the lines did it?
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 6, 2008 13:58:53 GMT -5
Oh no, please tell me that Roosh is not going to try and mislead the town into thinking he is the full doctor. It is the other explanation that comes to mind as to how both he and Pleonast are not lying and how he did not lose his powers. Oh please no. At which point, what does Kat do? ??
|
|
|
Post by sachertorte on Feb 6, 2008 14:02:26 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to your question, CatInASuit. DBI handled the Roosh affair; though I pushed her to whack his powers. I certainly hope no confusion occurred; though if a PM got lost, things would make a whole lot more sense.
|
|
|
Post by sachertorte on Feb 6, 2008 14:06:17 GMT -5
I don't think Roosh is implying he's the full Doctor is he? I think he's being quite clear that he's the Shu Doctor. That's why he lost his powers. If he claimed full doctor, he'd still have his powers.
I have no idea what Roosh is talking about. The only extra piece of information that he has is the fact that he lost his protection ability. Why oh why doesn't he just say that and move on?!
|
|
|
Post by sachertorte on Feb 6, 2008 14:22:02 GMT -5
That was rather pleasurable. I guess I am evil.
For the record. Roosh should direct all his ire at me. I told DBI to tell Roosh he lost his powers at Dusk. The reasoning in my mind was that loss of power is discovered when attempting to use said power. Gods are funny that way.
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 6, 2008 15:15:23 GMT -5
That was rather pleasurable. I guess I am evil. You never want it to be true, but it just feels sooo goood.
|
|
Death By Irony
FGM
The Former Mandate of Heaven/Current Gastard Night Mod
I'm my own mind-altering substance!
Posts: 109
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Death By Irony on Feb 6, 2008 16:02:30 GMT -5
Roosh has confirmed that he knows he has lost his powers, hasn't he? Yeah, he knows. He even wrote back to me to complain about it - he wanted to know about it sooner. Too bad we mods are bastards. ;D
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 7, 2008 6:01:47 GMT -5
Well it looks like the fun and games with Roosh is coming to a close. Now they have to find some scum. And then Diomedes, comes in with the classic scum post: "The what do we do next post, someone else take the lead." So we've now determined that Roosh is a fuck-up. He's the only one voting, and it's a pretty unsubstantiated vote on storyteller. I'll say again that a no-lynch is a bad idea for today, as counting on the scum to cross-kill is a very bad plan. Anybody have any ideas on where to, now? Or is this just perfect knowledge kicking in?
|
|
|
Post by NAF1138 on Feb 7, 2008 12:31:11 GMT -5
Or is this just perfect knowledge kicking in? Hard to say, but I had forgotten that Dio was scum and had the same reaction. I am frustrated by towns scum hunting abilities though, as well as their ability to act like good townies. It is getting too easy to be scum these days.
|
|
|
Post by CatInASuit on Feb 7, 2008 12:54:44 GMT -5
Or is this just perfect knowledge kicking in? Hard to say, but I had forgotten that Dio was scum and had the same reaction. I am frustrated by towns scum hunting abilities though, as well as their ability to act like good townies. It is getting too easy to be scum these days. I guess that's why we were night killed and they were not. Honest!
|
|