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Day One
May 29, 2008 1:54:42 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 29, 2008 1:54:42 GMT -5
That made me wonder if perhaps the truth is a possibility not actually included on misterblockey's famed list, and this comment by tdpatriots is an attempt to distract us from looking for any other potential scenarios for the scum to operate within. This does not speak toward my view of misterblockey's alignment one way or another. I finger you with my suspicion tdpatriots!' You quoted it, so I'm assuming you saw this part: I sure did. Your italicized part seems to be referring to the previous line, about discussing everything on the list. My point was that this could distract people from possibilities not on the list. I don't contest your willingness to discuss each and every thing on that list.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 2:16:20 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on May 29, 2008 2:16:20 GMT -5
Ah, okay. Then no, I'm not ruling anything out, which I think was the entire message of that part of my post.
* It was being tossed around that certain discussions were wastes of time. I disagreed, saying we can't know what is and what isn't at this time.
* I pointed out that a topic of the moment, the idea of "lists of what we know" are also possibly wastes of time because of the same problem.
In summary, we shouldn't dismiss something just because it might be a waste of time. Ruling out things in general on Day One before we've even seen a Dawn post strikes me as a bad idea.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 2:30:10 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on May 29, 2008 2:30:10 GMT -5
I can see where you're coming from on that. My point was that it seemed like perhaps you were backhandedly suggesting that we stick to that list as our repository of possibilities, gently nudging others away from considering other potential situations. It's Day One, and we're low on leads. I takes 'em where I (thinks) I can gets 'em. I'm feeling pretty damn suspicious of most folks at this point.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 2:30:45 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 29, 2008 2:30:45 GMT -5
Woah. Where did I say I wanted to lynch Hal? I'm not advocating lynching Hal today. If I did I would already have voted for him. At the moment I am leaning very much towards the view that he's probably a townie power role. Because he's trying to attract someone's attention. Which has been semi-confirmed by Ryjae. I think you misunderstood my post, it wasn't a " we should lynch Hal and here's why" post. It was a " here are my thoughts on Hal"post. Well, you're right, you didn't say lynch Hal. And thats what got my scumdar beeping. If you had, we'd be arguing over tactics, rather than you defending yourself. You did say: You don't believe he's restricted the way he's implying he's restricted, ergo you think he's lying. Smudge. Fine so far, you don't think it's likely that he's scum... ... but now you do? Smudge. And now you think he's a power role, and specifically a Doctor, for no logical reason that I can see, and he's come out for no reason? You're positing poor play on his part without really supporting yourself, which feels like a calculated play to get us looking at him critically. Which has the same effect as a smudge. And you do all of the above without addressing what I and others had been saying for a bit before - namely, that its time to move off of Hal, and get down to bizness. I'm sorry, I don't like it, I think it shows scum motivation, and I'm going to call them like I see them. I don't see any benefit to pursuing you further about this now. Down the road, if it turns out we need to build a case against you, this'll be on the record. If not, no harm no foul and I'll buy you a virtual beer.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 2:36:58 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 29, 2008 2:36:58 GMT -5
I'm picking up a little weirdness, and I wanna make sure we're all on the same page - we do think d2mons are a mechanic that places restrictions on an existing player, rather than a player-controlled role, right?
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Day One
May 29, 2008 2:42:53 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 29, 2008 2:42:53 GMT -5
Well after reading storytellers post I'll say this, according to my PM 1: There are/is a demon hunter who can tell if someone is possessed 2: They must then alert another role, to actually perform the exorcism It doesn't state how they communicate nor any other mechanics I can help out with. Such as what happens to the player possessed etc. Yes that means I'm not vanilla town, and no it doesn't worry me immensely at this date what scum will do to me, as Father Redford and I didn't just meet. Ryjae, here's the thing. You know what things look like from where you're sitting better than we do, so I'm willing to trust that you feel that the information you're providing is worth the target on your back. But if you're going to claim, don't softpedal it. You've already done as much damage to yourself as you're going to, so I for one would appreciate a full claim. Hinting around at what you can and can't do doesn't benefit town at all that I can see.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 2:54:47 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on May 29, 2008 2:54:47 GMT -5
I, too, need a shoe-horn. Need the rulings against speaking of shoes extend to not talking about legs as well? A crafty player might read beyond the level of other gagged player's posts. I believe one person already has. Hand it to our mod, I think he has a handle on how much should be allowed. Hal could be crying out for help, but all it's gotten him so far seems to be suspicion. There seems to be too much fixation on demon types today, and not enough on voting - we can always come back to the demon discussion, but we won't be able to undo a no lynch. Isn't it time we started putting real votes out there? Much has been said, little has been done. Time for me to do this: Stardragonman has been online recently, and not even said 'hi'. *clipped vote* Darth, I agree that its time to move on. But there's some folks not satisfied with that, and apparently they aren't seeing the crumbs I think I found. I'm not turning water into wine here, so help me out. If you know what I'm talking about, you should be able to pinpoint it for everybody else. If you don't, then maybe I'm not seeing what I think I'm seeing, you know? I'm just unsure enough of myself now that I'm not willing to drop post numbers and have you smile and nod. I think we need you and Hal to do the honors. And I think it'd be best if you did it Today, sooner rather than later.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 8:18:23 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on May 29, 2008 8:18:23 GMT -5
I am declaring my dislike for shoes, especially the ones on the left, in every post.
Need I say more than that.
Exrcising is good for everyone. I'll be back after the gym and work tonight.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 8:55:22 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2008 8:55:22 GMT -5
I really really don't think Hal is telling the truth. From the Day One color: we have to kill the "Type 2"s (the posessed) by spritzing the victims with holy water, thereby killing the demon inside. Hal's post contradicts the color, which we are assuming is factual. The color is very clear that holy water does NOT kill the demon, just provokes a reaction. Hal claims that using holy water will kill the demon. Perhaps it's an innocent slip, perhaps the color is misleading, or perhaps he's not possessed and screwed up his story. Now, I realize that Darth Sensitive said the same thing, but if he is another scum that picked up on Hal's idea, he might have decided to copy what Hal said to lend credibility to both of them. It just doesn't sit well with me that it would be so easy for a possessed person to reveal that he/she is possessed. Isn't the whole point of being possessed that you can't control what you do? I want to lynch Hal, but I guess I can wait for ryjae to investigate him toNight. Then again, how can we be sure his investigation would be accurate? ryjae: you've already spilled the beans, please spill them entirely, as someone suggested a few posts upthread. If your claim is going to be useful to us, please let us know EVERYTHING. As far as you know, are your investigations 100% accurate? --FCOD
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Day One
May 29, 2008 10:21:19 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on May 29, 2008 10:21:19 GMT -5
Okay I'll spill everything to a degree. I am, I guess a guardian kinda thing, I was entrusted with helping the town by Father. I knew Father prior to this happening, but if the scum where able to kill Father, I am also susceptible.
I am immune to certain things but I won't say what because then the scum have the upper-hand on me. I do have some defensive/offensive power, enough that I think using Jsextons numbers I would be a fairly high number. Why I mention this, is because that means the scum have someone that is pretty damn powerful.
Now to the relevant to the current discussion parts.
My PM states that the demon hunter sprinkles holy water, which doesn't effect one type at all, at the towns evening gathering on a person. If that person is possessed then the DH has to somehow tell the exorcist so that role can do there thing.
This is why I didn't want our role of exorcist to attempt anything on Hal until after the DH role does the holy water just in case it has to be done in that order.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 10:37:44 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on May 29, 2008 10:37:44 GMT -5
Hey guys, just posting to say I am subbing in for Cat, but since the other games have their Days ending today, I will be coming in a bit late, but I will be here and come with plenty to say. Sorry.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 10:51:53 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on May 29, 2008 10:51:53 GMT -5
This is why I didn't want our role of exorcist to attempt anything on Hal until after the DH role does the holy water just in case it has to be done in that order. Forgot about me for the time being. My feet hurt, but I'll be fine for awhile. A close reading of Darth's post here tells me time is much more of an issue for him.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 11:43:23 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2008 11:43:23 GMT -5
Okay I'll spill everything to a degree. I am, I guess a guardian kinda thing, I was entrusted with helping the town by Father. I knew Father prior to this happening, but if the scum where able to kill Father, I am also susceptible. I am immune to certain things but I won't say what because then the scum have the upper-hand on me. I do have some defensive/offensive power, enough that I think using Jsextons numbers I would be a fairly high number. Why I mention this, is because that means the scum have someone that is pretty damn powerful. Now to the relevant to the current discussion parts. My PM states that the demon hunter sprinkles holy water, which doesn't effect one type at all, at the towns evening gathering on a person. If that person is possessed then the DH has to somehow tell the exorcist so that role can do there thing. This is why I didn't want our role of exorcist to attempt anything on Hal until after the DH role does the holy water just in case it has to be done in that order. If what you are saying is true, then why would Hal and Darth both say that holy water would kill the demon? I think Hal is lying. (Did I say that before? I can't remember ;D) Oh well...I guess it's time to put my money where my mouth is. Lynch all liars: Vote Hal Briston. --FCOD
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Day One
May 29, 2008 11:45:31 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on May 29, 2008 11:45:31 GMT -5
It's entirely possible that the possessees have no idea how the exorcism actually works, FCoD.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 11:48:56 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on May 29, 2008 11:48:56 GMT -5
If what you are saying is true, then why would Hal and Darth both say that holy water would kill the demon? I think Hal is lying. (Did I say that before? I can't remember ;D) Oh well...I guess it's time to put my money where my mouth is. Lynch all liars:Vote Hal Briston --FCOD If the DH sprinkles him and he is not who he says he is then we lynch him, but if he is who he says he is and we lynch him now we're lynching a town. I gotta say I'm not liking that vote I'd rather lynch someone in the interest of getting scum. We know something is up with Hal and Darth it's not a secret, so I'd rather lynch someone less likely to be on our side. That's all subject to change on what we find out tomorrow obviously.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 11:59:11 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2008 11:59:11 GMT -5
It's entirely possible that the possessees have no idea how the exorcism actually works, FCoD. I realized that, but I've considered the negative possibilities of lynching Hal if I'm wrong and I don't see them as much worse than lynching someone randomly. We don't currently have any leads for a lynch, and until that changes I'm most comfortable lynching Hal. If the DH sprinkles him and he is not who he says he is then we lynch him, but if he is who he says he is and we lynch him now we're lynching a town. Can you guarantee that there isn't a demon that would respond to the holy water like a possessed townie, and worse, have a way of evading/retaliating to exorcism? If we go by your plan, and Hal has such an ability, he'll be a scum accepted as town. I've seen that happen before and it's BAD. I don't like relying on town investigative roles when there is a possibility of scum roles immune to investigation. You are correct in that we'll be lynching a townie if I am wrong, but chances are we're going to lynch a townie on Day one anyway. If I'm wrong, we'll learn for sure if the demon moves from player to player. We won't be worse off in that respect, because the newly possessed player will just start complaining about his/her feet. Sure, we'll have lost a townie, but like I said, nobody currently has a good idea for someone else to lynch. I am perfectly capable and willing to change my vote should someone turn up something scummy. --FCOD
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Day One
May 29, 2008 12:10:51 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on May 29, 2008 12:10:51 GMT -5
Can you guarantee that there isn't a demon that would respond to the holy water like a possessed townie, and worse, have a way of evading/retaliating to exorcism? If we go by your plan, and Hal has such an ability, he'll be a scum accepted as town. I've seen that happen before and it's BAD. I don't like relying on town investigative roles when there is a possibility of scum roles immune to investigation. According to my PM on the bold part. One of two things will occur the DH will find a possessed, or get a null tell. So unless my PM doesn't state facts and atarus had loopholes in place then I think its a fairly good assumption. If it goes like this... HW thrown on Hal Exorcism on Hal Investigate Hal That's most likely three different roles* right there and all of them would have to be fooled by Hal for him to be scum right? That is an awful lot of power role uses to pull a possessed to town and that may be a balancing thing. I as well am open for suggestions on how to proceed from here, I just don't like lynching someone that is exposed somewhat this early. *Working on the assumption that neither the person throwing the holy water (DH) or the exorcist has extra investigation roles. Which may be faulty.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 12:17:10 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on May 29, 2008 12:17:10 GMT -5
I have to say I still trust neither Darth, nor Hal, but their stories are sounding more and more plausible at least. I'm guessing the leg comment is thought to mean that Darth's situation is more urgent, but I definitely advocate them being investigated before being exorcised, as the possibility still remains that they're both scum and Darth just caught on to what Hal was doing. Ryjae........ certain roles should absolutely, 100% never claim unless they're going to be lynched otherwise. In this game the only role that could hurt themselves, and the town more by roleclaiming would be the exorcist. The guardian, or "doctor" role would be a very very very close second. I will give you that you didn't give out any of your immunities, or the inner workings of your role, however now other town power roles will have difficulty role claiming because if they do, well then it's obvious either they or you will be vulnerable at night. Finally, FOS KidVermiciousLike most of us Survivor Smurf has been and was exploring possibilities. Also when you're trying to get scum to hang themselves you don't openly say so after their first suspicious post, you goad them on in a way that'll keep them posting. What you did, however is find a few things that are marginally hinky at best, and then put him on the defensive, (seeming to hope that'll trip him up). the problem there is that kind of move is more likely to work against a townie than scum, and if you're worth your salt you'd know that. Hence, I don't like that move, and it smells scummier than anything Smurf said.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 12:25:48 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2008 12:25:48 GMT -5
According to my PM on the bold part. One of two things will occur the DH will find a possessed, or get a null tell. I'm thinking of a Godfather type role, which usually, when investigated, shows as "Townie". What you're telling me doesn't exclude the possibility that there is a demon role that, when sprinkled with holy water, shows as "Possessed." --FCOD
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Day One
May 29, 2008 12:28:36 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on May 29, 2008 12:28:36 GMT -5
Ryjae........ certain roles should absolutely, 100% never claim unless they're going to be lynched otherwise. In this game the only role that could hurt themselves, and the town more by roleclaiming would be the exorcist. The guardian, or "doctor" role would be a very very very close second. I will give you that you didn't give out any of your immunities, or the inner workings of your role, however now other town power roles will have difficulty role claiming because if they do, well then it's obvious either they or you will be vulnerable at night. I need to clear this up before it becomes confusing I cannot protect just anyone at night. If we have such a role it is not me. Therefore I don't believe I could be considered the mafia role of doctor. I do have certain immunities and I think they are there because I was expected to tell town what I know. Rather than guardian maybe the terms gatekeeper, or demon historian would have been better terms for me to use.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 12:55:03 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 29, 2008 12:55:03 GMT -5
Holy hell.
Is this going to be one of those games that takes place entirely while I am away from my computer and I have to spend all my time catching up and responding to past events?
It's cool if it is, but I just want to know up front.
So, I have caught up, and I don't know what to think yet. I need to digest the roleclaim the continued lurking and the votes. Then I will post the practicle app post, and follow it up with a vote of some sort.
WARNING. Scheduleing info ahead:
The Day ends on a Saturday. For the forseable future I will not be online from Friday evening until AT THE EARLIEST saturday evening, probably not until Monday. But this Day one is special because of my car getting towed. After my vote toDay I am probably going to be gone for the rest of the game Day, because I am expecting to spend all my time tomorrow dealing with my car. I hope it doesn't take all day, but I am dealing with local government here so...we'll see.
The above paragraph will be copied into the Going to be Away thread, but I figured just in case not everyone is checking that thread I would put it here too.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 13:00:35 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on May 29, 2008 13:00:35 GMT -5
The way this game is going is so bizarre. Two people claiming to have shoe problems? One of them stating that his is urgent? What does that even mean in this situation? If he doesn't get assistance he'll die? Or maybe become a full on demon? Does lynching Darth in this situation make any sense to anyone? It would give us some information on the possession, hopefully, and would avoid whatever terrible thing he's implying will happen to him if he doesn't get help. Or maybe it won't, since the color seems to indicate that dead bodies are possessable too.
As for Ryjae's claim..man, do you EVER get a vanilla role? heh PFK in Batman, scum in Simpletown, Detective or Scum in Doperville, and now whatever it is you are. Some sort of Strongman role it sounds like, with added information ALA the Penquin from Batman. I'm not sure I believe you yet, since every other game you made a similar claim and were lying, but right now I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 13:02:19 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on May 29, 2008 13:02:19 GMT -5
What is PFK?
--FCOD
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Day One
May 29, 2008 13:06:12 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on May 29, 2008 13:06:12 GMT -5
Playing For Keeps. PFKs were neither Do-Gooders nor Baddies in Batman -- they were third-parties working for their own win condition.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 15:03:43 GMT -5
Post by Rebel on May 29, 2008 15:03:43 GMT -5
This is why I didn't want our role of exorcist to attempt anything on Hal until after the DH role does the holy water just in case it has to be done in that order. Forgot about me for the time being. My feet hurt, but I'll be fine for awhile. A close reading of Darth's post here tells me time is much more of an issue for him. I don't think I saw anyone mentioning this so... I'm getting from this that there is a time limit for possessed players to be saved. Could it be that possessed players after a certain amount of time either turn into Type1 or a new type of scum or they just die as a townie?
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Day One
May 29, 2008 15:25:21 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on May 29, 2008 15:25:21 GMT -5
I'm getting from this that there is a time limit for possessed players to be saved. Could it be that possessed players after a certain amount of time either turn into Type1 or a new type of scum or they just die as a townie? It is a key point. Darth/Hal can you elaborate on the downside of not curing you?
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Day One
May 29, 2008 16:10:48 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on May 29, 2008 16:10:48 GMT -5
It is a key point. Darth/Hal can you elaborate on the downside of not curing you? Nope...suffice it to say that the downside would be as bad as me elaborating on the downside.
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Day One
May 29, 2008 16:12:39 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on May 29, 2008 16:12:39 GMT -5
Vote Count:Tragic (1): KidVermicious Stardragonman (1): Darth Sensitive Hal Briston (1): FlyingCowofDoom Not Voting (22): Do I have to name everybody? A little over 48 hours left until the end of the Day. For the record, I will be traveling back from Florida tomorrow and will return to my humble abode on Saturday. However, during that time my internet will be minimum at best, so I'll be leaving vote counts to Koldanar during that time period.
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May 29, 2008 16:26:13 GMT -5
Post by Koldanar on May 29, 2008 16:26:13 GMT -5
Okey Dokey....I'll be sure to pop in and check. Do you guys want one per page, or just whenever I wander in
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Day One
May 29, 2008 16:31:43 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on May 29, 2008 16:31:43 GMT -5
Okey Dokey....I'll be sure to pop in and check. Do you guys want one per page, or just whenever I wander in One every few hours would be nice, but use your judgment.
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