Merestil Haye
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 9:53:11 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 27, 2008 9:53:11 GMT -5
So, is anyone getting the feeling that we'll never lynch anyone toDay? My Ugly Scum Bits fear that this will hit 70 pages before we get even ten votes on the same person, much less 20. You might well be right about the people here not being willing to get behind lynching one player or other thing. On the other hand the Day will end no later than July 28th (which, in practice, may well mean 11:59pm in the timezone of whichever m od is in charge of timekeepimg.) Speaking personally, I don't know who to lynch. I think I'll just have to reread the thread. 660 posts isn't in much danger of causing a thread glitch like Firefly day 1; I think it's a function of thread length and activity level. Just in case, will the m ods please monitor the thread size and start another if the thread gets to (say) 1,000 posts or something similar?
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 10:26:06 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jul 27, 2008 10:26:06 GMT -5
Peeker plays Roosh: Roosh wins! Roosh currently has the bag of marblesMarbles Score: CatInaSuit: 3 Roosh: 3 Santo: 3 Bufftabby:2 Cookies:2 A three way tie for the lead!! He fucking cheated and didn't sign the scorecard, as well. The deck be stacked I tell ya. Rematch?
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Jul 27, 2008 10:37:41 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Jul 27, 2008 10:37:41 GMT -5
I have a feeling we aren't going to get to 20, much as I'd like to see it happen so we can move the game along. Right now I still don't see any better place for my vote than Santo Rugger.
But since I doubt I can get even 10 people behind it, I'm going to instead post my list of questions. This is not intended to start discussion (especially the lower-down ones), but so that there's a reference to go back to in the future. Though if anyone wants to add to it, feel free.
Parzival's List of Unsolved Mysteries
Z.What, exactly, happens once someone gets 20 votes on them? Z1.What if they drop below 20 during the 'countdown'? Z1z.If there is a countdown and Candidate A drops below 20, and then Candidate B rises above 20, will the same countdown be used? Z2.Is the 'executioner' a role in the game (i.e. Pleonast)?
Y.Assuming we can lynch, is lynching (and/or vigging) the only way we can win? Y1.Is there some other condition that must be fulfilled? Y2.Alternately, is there some other win condition that supercedes killing folks?
X.What happens if the Day ends without a lynch candidate(as seems likely)?
W.What would happen if we 'lynched' a gag-moderator? W1.Will it be necessary to lynch any and all 'anti-town' gag-moderator(s) to win?
V.How nit-picky will the mods be about votes? Will votes using modified names or lacking proper formatting be counted?
U.Is there a traditional scum side (i.e. group of players who convene in private and kill at night)? U1.Can they strategize during the day? U2.How long must we sing this song? U3.Are there other factions (PFK types/Masons/Cultists)?
These I consuder of much lesser importance, for now anyways:
T.What's the deal with the 96 players?
S.Assuming her story is true, who played rock-paper-scissors with Kat?
R.What's the deal with Top Dawg?
Q.What's the deal with the marbles[/color]?
P.Is it my imagintion, or is the creepy doll looking at me?
O.Does the newsfader messages have any in-game importance? O1.Do the spelling mistakes have any meaning?
N.Do side-contests & prizes have any meaning? N1.There was a lynch-prediction contest last night if I remember rightly. N1z.Will diggitcamara fulfil a win condition if he correctly predicts his own death (a la Charles "Captain" E.O. Carter)?
M.Leprosy!?
L.Is Santo Rugger actually mod-confirmed? K.Are the post restrictions real and will there be any more? K1.(apologies all round)Does Mr Scummyboots, esq. really have a post restriction? K2.Is it really the ultimate high? K3.Is Duke Scottish? K3z.If no, is he crap and/or scum? K4.Did Kat play rock-paper-scissors and lose to get her PR? K5.Is Cookies vote-unvote PR real? K5z.Can she actually post meaningfully at night? (Strongly suspect yes to this.)
J.What's the deal with peekercpa bizarre comments and 'collecting roles'? J1.Is there a secret code there?
EYE.Do player names have any meaning? I1.Were roles assigned with the human player in mind? (I suspect no, or maybe sometimes, and not in any way that's useful to us).
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 11:10:56 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jul 27, 2008 11:10:56 GMT -5
[quote author=parzivalJ.What's the deal with peekercpa bizarre comments and 'collecting roles'? J1.Is there a secret code there? [/quote]
Bizare?
Makes perfect sense to me based on the PMs I receive from my Og. Gastard is having microdot flasbacks as near as I can tell.
"There is nothing as visually stimulating as the scent of a freshly cut tangerine."
Go figure.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 12:01:49 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 27, 2008 12:01:49 GMT -5
Klutz plays Roosh: Klutz wins! Peeker plays Klutz: Peeker wins!
Peeker currently has the bag of marbles
Marbles Score: CatInaSuit: 3 Roosh: 3 Santo: 3 Bufftabby:2 Cookies:2 Peeker:1 Klutz:1
Still a three way tie for the lead!!
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 12:10:17 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Jul 27, 2008 12:10:17 GMT -5
I'll play marbles with peeker.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 12:16:12 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jul 27, 2008 12:16:12 GMT -5
Klutz plays Roosh: Klutz wins! Peeker plays Klutz: Peeker wins! Peeker currently has the bag of marblesMarbles Score: CatInaSuit: 3 Roosh: 3 Santo: 3 Bufftabby:2 Cookies:2 Peeker:1 Klutz:1 Still a three way tie for the lead!! Woot the flippin' wwot. First time I ever won something. I'd like to thank everyone who got me here today. My wife, for being so supportive. My mom who taught me how to be a man. And last but not least my daughters who taught me to be a mobile ATM machine that never says dick while they shop. Seriously, do you see the crap that they purchase.
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Death By Irony
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Jul 27, 2008 13:13:32 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Jul 27, 2008 13:13:32 GMT -5
Z.What, exactly, happens once someone gets 20 votes on them? That question has been answered, I believe. Read the thread. Or, why don't you put somebody at 20 votes and find out what happens?
Z1.What if they drop below 20 during the 'countdown'? See above.
Z1z.If there is a countdown and Candidate A drops below 20, and then Candidate B rises above 20, will the same countdown be used? Ooh, good question. The Mods will be irritated if you keep changing your minds like that, for sure. And the Day will still end on the hard deadline regardless of who has how many votes, that's for sure.
Z2.Is the 'executioner' a role in the game (i.e. Pleonast)? You'll find out soon enough. ;D
Y.Assuming we can lynch, is lynching (and/or vigging) the only way we can win? Who is this "we" you keep referring to, chump?
Y1.Is there some other condition that must be fulfilled? Like we'd tell you.
Y2.Alternately, is there some other win condition that supercedes sha'ing folks?
X.What happens if the Day ends without a lynch candidate(as seems likely)? Then the Day ends without a lynch candidate. Duh.
W.What would happen if we 'lynched' a gag-moderator? You don't want to lynch us, we're the one running the asylum.
W1.Will it be necessary to lynch any and all 'anti-town' gag-moderator(s) to win? We're the moderators. We're supposed to be impartial. Mostly.
V.How nit-picky will the great and glorious mods be about votes? Will votes using modified names or lacking proper formatting be counted? That's been answered. Read moar, plz. Kthxbye.
U.Is there a traditional scum side (i.e. group of players who convene in private and sha at night)? The game is called Mafia!, you do the math.
U1.Can they strategize during the day? Maybe if you ask a scum, they might tell you.
U2.How long must we sing this song? This is the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friends, some people started singing without knowing what it was and now they can't ever stop because--
U3.Are there other factions (PFK types/Masons/Cultists)? You'll see soon enough.
T.What's the deal with the 96 players? That's for me to know and you to find out in the Spoiler Thread.
S.Assuming her story is true, who played rock-paper-scissors with Kat? Why don't you try asking everybody?
R.What's the deal with Top Dawg? He's the Top Dog, duh.
Q.What's the deal with the marbles[/color]?[/i] They're shiny.
P.Is it my imagintion, or is the creepy doll looking at me? The creepy doll is cockeyed. It's looking at everybody.
O.Does the newsfader messages have any in-game importance? Hell if I know, I'm not the one writing it.
O1.Do the spelling mistakes have any meaning? Not for me, at least. I can't speak for my fellow mods.
N.Do side-contests & prizes have any meaning? Dunno, I'm not the one running them.
N1z.Will diggitcamara fulfil a win condition if he correctly predicts his own death (a la Charles "Captain" E.O. Carter)? Ask diggitcamara.
M.Leprosy!?
Gyromancy! Leprosy!
L.Is Santo Rugger actually mod-confirmed? YES, HE IS MOD CONFIRMED. HE'S THE OBVIOUSLY INNOCENT TOWNIE. HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SAY THAT? >(
K.Are the post restrictions real and will there be any more? You'll find out, won't you?
K1.(apologies all round)Does Mr Scummyboots, esq. really have a post restriction? K2.Is it really the ultimate high? Ask Mr. Scummyboots, esq.
K3.Is Duke Scottish? K3z.If no, is he crap and/or scum? Ask Duke.
K4.Did Kat play rock-paper-scissors and lose to get her PR? Ask Kat.
K5.Is Cookies vote-unvote PR real? K5z.Can she actually post meaningfully at night? (Strongly suspect yes to this.) Ask Cookies.
J.What's the deal with peekercpa bizarre comments and 'collecting roles'? J1.Is there a secret code there? Ask peekercpa.
EYE.Do player names have any meaning? Do you mean player players, or player's roles?
I1.Were roles assigned with the human player in mind? (I suspect no, or maybe sometimes, and not in any way that's useful to us). Ask us again after you're dead.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 13:15:34 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 27, 2008 13:15:34 GMT -5
I'll play marbles with peeker. I'll play winner of you guys @ Marbles.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 13:19:09 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 27, 2008 13:19:09 GMT -5
I'll play marbles with peeker. I'll play winner of you guys @ Marbles.And I got the winner of you/them in Marbles.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 13:22:25 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 27, 2008 13:22:25 GMT -5
Bufftabby plays Peeker: Bufftabby wins! Roosh plays Bufftabby: Roosh wins! Hockeyguy plays Roosh: Roosh wins!
Roosh currently has the bag of marbles
Marbles Score: CatInaSuit: 3 Roosh: 5 Santo: 3 Bufftabby:3 Cookies:2 Peeker:1 Klutz:1
Roosh is currently winning at marbles!!!
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 14:10:22 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 27, 2008 14:10:22 GMT -5
Don't let Dot's screwing with your heads throw you. She is right about everything she said, but also, seriously folks...try actually reading the game for the answers to your questions.
99% of the questions Parzival asked have answers that are clearly evident if you read the game (even if that answer is sometimes, DUDE ITS MAFIA, FIGURE IT OUT!)
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 14:43:54 GMT -5
Post by The Lion on Jul 27, 2008 14:43:54 GMT -5
Bufftabby plays Peeker: Bufftabby wins! Roosh plays Bufftabby: Roosh wins! Hockeyguy plays Roosh: Roosh wins! Roosh currently has the bag of marbles Aye personalley thin' thae tha possibilitey of leprosy combined weth tha' marbles mechani' es qui'e... bad. We'll all bey dead in two months.
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Jul 27, 2008 14:47:18 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jul 27, 2008 14:47:18 GMT -5
Hey did no' pos' enythan' suspicuious-wise. However, Aye recognize from hes pos's tha' hey es wiley and clever. Hence my vo'e for 'im. Ef hey's scum, thahn my pos' is justified. Aye personally thank thae hey woul' bey a good scum, a' thae. Ef hey's Town, thahn hey'd have an easey time of lookin' fer scum, considering hes general cleverness an' whatno'. Li'e Aye've said afore; Aye do no' wan' thes ter become a band wagon. Thes vo'e is no' bein' made with tha mind ter lynch Mr. SB, esq. E' es onley bein' made ter pu' tha pressure on 'im. DIS MITE BE TEH WURST RASHUNALE 4 VOTE I HAS EVR SEEN. EGSAKTLY WUT PRESURE DO U FINKZ DIS PUTS ON HIM, AN WUT RESULTS R U EXPECTIN FRUM DIS VOTE?
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Jul 27, 2008 14:50:43 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jul 27, 2008 14:50:43 GMT -5
S.Assuming her story is true, who played rock-paper-scissors with Kat? ID SORTA LIEK 2 KNOE DAT, 2. AN Y DIS PERSON HASNT SPOKEN UP BOUT IT YET.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 15:19:12 GMT -5
Post by The Lion on Jul 27, 2008 15:19:12 GMT -5
Hey did no' pos' enythan' suspicuious-wise. However, Aye recognize from hes pos's tha' hey es wiley and clever. Hence my vo'e for 'im. Ef hey's scum, thahn my pos' is justified. Aye personally thank thae hey woul' bey a good scum, a' thae. Ef hey's Town, thahn hey'd have an easey time of lookin' fer scum, considering hes general cleverness an' whatno'. Li'e Aye've said afore; Aye do no' wan' thes ter become a band wagon. Thes vo'e is no' bein' made with tha mind ter lynch Mr. SB, esq. E' es onley bein' made ter pu' tha pressure on 'im. DIS MITE BE TEH WURST RASHUNALE 4 VOTE My Ugly Scum Bits HAS EVR SEEN. EGSAKTLY WUT PRESURE DO U FINKZ DIS PUTS ON HIM, AN WUT RESULTS R U EXPECTIN FRUM DIS VOTE? Es no' good logi'. Aye knowe thae. Bu' en other gamess, es led ter tha' capture of Mafia Dons an' wha'no'. Noe. Hey did no' do enythan' to be worthey of suspicion. Bu' ef my gu' feelin' es righ', than Aye knowe thae hey'll be able to ge' ou' of e'. Righ' nowe, all hey's said is "Thae Mr. ScummyBoo's esq. es NO' UP TER NO GOOD". Yeh. Thae's logi' fer ye. Besides, thae's all we have righ' nowe. Gu' feelin's an' wha'no', as wey do no' have eny solid proof of scumminess, asi'e from my slip-up. My gu' feelin's tellin' me thae Mr. SB esq. es a bi' too clever fer my own good. Ye may no' li'e e'. Bu' Aye kin tell ye thes abou' my pieces of logi', skewed though they may bey: THEY'RE MAGICALLY DELICIOUS.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 15:21:08 GMT -5
Post by The Lion on Jul 27, 2008 15:21:08 GMT -5
Though Aye will saye thes:
As e' standss righ' nowe, Mr. SB esq. es lookin' ter bey Town ter me. Bu' Aye'd li'e ter see 'im defend 'imself before Aye take off the vo'e.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 16:26:34 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jul 27, 2008 16:26:34 GMT -5
OK, I promised a player-by-player analysis, and here it is.
Lurkers / quiet or non-prolific players:
Klutz, Koldanar, Merestil Haye, CatinaSuit, Pedescribe, Peeker, Hal, Diomedes/Squid, Parzival, Hockeyguy.
All of these people I~ find virtually inseparable, although there are one or two points:
- Three (Pedescribe, Hal and Hockeyguy) essentially missed the start of the game, and may appear more aggressively in future. - Two (Peeker and Pedescribe) have claimed roles, both of which have been challenged by at least one other player - Peeker's changing role, and Pedescribe's leper. - Klutz played the "lurker" strategy as scum in "Arkham Nights". - Hockeyguy was first out in "Apocalypse", was scum, and may possibly be nervous about speaking out in this game because of it.
I~ think at least two and probably more of these people are scum. Hell, in "Arkham Nights", THREE of my lurker list were scum. It's easy to play a quiet game early on if you are. My thoughts are:
- IMO MHaye's lack of activity here is uncharacteristic. At one point he seems to make a virtue of his own lack of contribution, which comes off wrong to me.
HockeyGuy blatantly bandwagonned DiggitCamera and then acted fairly defensively when he really didn't need to IMO:
"Yeah, My Ugly Scum Bits understand how my vote may be seen as "jumping on the bandwagon", but My Ugly Scum Bits don't see my vote as part of a bandwagon. My Ugly Scum Bits voted because what he said raised flags in my mind, and My Ugly Scum Bits wanted to see if he would say more about what his win condition might be."
What do I~ say to this? Nothing, there's no evidence either way (as with most of the "lurkers"). I~ just get red flags raised in my mind when someone makes a defence without really having been attacked.
Parzival seems a little paranoid, which is townish, but had real problems accepting Santo as confirmed even after a mod had said so outright. That raises one or two flags: a scum wouldn't want someone to be generally accepted as town.
Peeker - don't ask me to spell her name - has claimed a role that changes whenever she posts. (As far as I~ can tell, the roleclaim is a little awkwardly phrased.) That seems to me unrealistic. Would the mods be able to do that? Something's not adding up there.
Pedescribe's role is sounds rather like the "possessed corpse" roles from Mafia: Apocalypse. I~ agree with Roosh about the 2-3mths thing though.
Nanook has posted exactly seven sentences of nothingness so far. Either she's got a bizarre role that limits her post count or she's really, really not into this game.
CIAS's posts have all been about marbles. She did make one vote: Pollux Oil, using random.org. This to me says "insane" not "scum", but I'm not ruling her out.
The one thing that everyone on my "lurker list" has in common is that all of them have yet to really contribute something really meaningful to the town cause. This makes them all prime suspects in my mind.
Now going onto the people I think are likely townies.
Next one is Pleonast, whose role I'm happy to accept. I'm not 100% convinced it's a town role - it could be PFK or even scum, although that's unlikely. But I believe she has the role that she's claiming. I~ see no good reason to vote off Pleonast at this point. Indeed, the early Pleo votes felt like a classic case of scapegoating.
Hoopy Frood hasn't had a chance to give us any evidence either way yet, because he's been basically neutered "on suspicion of being a serial killer". Uh-huh. So a townie is supposed to have randomly picked Hoopy, one of the strongest townies in "Arkham Nights" and pointed out by several people as such, to make sure that he can't contribute a thing? I don't buy it. You don't block as strong a player as Hoopy unless you're 110% certain they're scum. You block someone who's fairly passive or doesn't do much in the beginning. Hell, there's enough of them to choose from. I~ think the "serial killer" bit is gastard mod-inspired hogwash to obscure the fact that the person who's blocking Hoopy is either a malicious PFK or scum.
Rajaat seems to have a genuine mod-confirmed investigative role. He comes across as sharp but insane, and I notice he was pretty quick to jump on DrainGead's statement about his town role PM. That said, he's been pretty sharp in everything else as well - including the things that I agree with him on - and I can't see the mods giving a player a scum role that is carried out openly in the main forum. So I'm ok to accept him as legit.
Santo is mod-confirmed, but it's been interesting to see who's been reluctant to accept him as such. Even if he wasn't confirmed, though, he's been pretty strong at scum-hunting. I'd have been amazed if he were scum.
Idle is quiet, but makes sense when he does speak. He was an early defender of Pleonast, and I think the reasons for suspecting her (Pleo) were pretty idiotic. He's clashed with Santo but, unlike others, hasn't voted for him or suggested that the mods are lying. He's not bandwagonned, and I suspect that most if not all of the "active" scum have done so if only to look helpful. Provided that Pleonast is town, I think Idle is ok.
Diggit I've looked at already, and nothing so far has really changed my opinion on him, so I'll move onto:
Atarus and Kat I'll lump together, because both of them generally deal in "big picture" strategy rather than the fine details. Atarus' suspicions generally make sense to me. I don't see him joining any bad bandwagons and he seems to be making a genuine effort to open up the town's eyes to bigger possibilities.
Kat I'm less sure of; she could be trying a "ventriloquist" or "milkman"-style fake role, especially after her strategy didn't pan out in "Arkham Nights". Nonetheless she hasn't supported any bandwagons or joined in things that I think the scum would want to have supported. Like Atarus, she seems to be making a good deal of sense (which is ironic given her posting restriction!) and my impression is that she's genuine.
Finally in this category is BlaM. He might be angry, but he also seems genuinely dedicated to finding the townies. I can't see the mods using "Batman" as a scum role twice, and I can definitely see them using it again in this game as a town role. Mostly though, I'm clearing BlaM on the grounds of what he's done, and what he hasn't - he doesn't seem to be looking to make scapegoats of anybody or bandwagon them. I think he's genuine as well.
Now we come to the people that I'm extremely wary of clearing, but will still do so for now.
Roosh I~ called out early for doing nothing but bandwagonning. And now that he is participating, I~ find myself disagreeing with him quite regularly. That said, he seems to be making a genuine effort to find the scum. I~ don't want to make another mistake with Roosh, but at this point I'm putting him on the mental back burner.
Darth Sensitive I've gone up against directly when he was scum. I'd describe his scum game as "passive but frustrated" - he comes across as someone who's constantly holding himself back. I~ haven't had that impression from him this time around. For this, and no other reason whatsoever, I'm not going to vote for him.
Flying Cow of Doom: Now this one's awkward. There are two scum tactics that seem to crop up again and again on this board: disrupting the flow of reasoning, and using a faked post restriction. FCoD ostensibly has done both. It's almost because it's so obvious that I'm clearing him (although I said the same thing about DrainGead in "Arkham Nights", and I~ was wrong there.) If FCoD is scum, he's gone down the "so insane that it's gotta be right" route. It's a little too insane for me, which points to Gastard Moddery rather than scummery. That's the only reason I'm not marking FCoD as scum.
Cookies, if he's scum, has completely handicapped himself - either that or the mods have done it. A lot of what he's actually managed to do has pinged my scumdar - he seems to be quick enough to jump on bandwagons - and I~ do wonder if his claimed role is connected directly to me. What I mean by this is that NAF, Cookies, Smurf and myself were all masons in "Arkham Nights". In "Mafia: Apocalypse", Smurf and NAF were both scum, and I had them right at the top of my suspect from the start. Cookies might be afraid that I'd do the same to him. Or maybe that's being way too self-centred. Moving on, then, to...
Duke. Now if it were simply a case of the most logical suspect, this guy would easily be at the top of my suspect list. He bandwagons, throws out suspicions like confetti, doesn't seem interested in really clearing anybody, and overtly voted "to put pressure on" somebody - a phrase that raises more red flags than the stadium walk-on of the Russian national football team. Town vote to lynch. Scum "put pressure" on people. I'm reminded strongly of "Arkham Nights" here. Two people voted me in that game for basically the same reason that Duke claimed here, and both of those two - TDPatriots and Darth Sensitive - were scum.
So why am I~ not declaring him scum right now? Because something, somewhere, doesn't add up. Call it a gut feeling if you want, but my impression is that he's working alone. The bottom line is: I'm HUGELY nervous about clearing him, but that's what I'm going to do.
And that leaves three people, excluding myself. I~ think that the majority of scum (or malicious PFKs) who aren't in the "lurker" group will be found in this group, with maybe one or two elsewhere who've slipped through the net.
DrainBead is my third suspect. He used completely different tactics as a scum in "Arkham Nights", and he also looked pretty townish when he started the ball rolling on the Diggit lynch mob. That said, there were objections to the Diggit case that the people who bandwagonned Diggit - including DrainGead - didn't seem to be interested in. When the bandwagon faltered, he seemed a bit reluctant to let it go, and a little aggressive. This raised some red flags for me: it could be that DrainGead was trying to target Diggit as a convenient scapegoat. Following that, he didn't seem to do very much to help: if I look for evidence that DrainGead is town, there only seems to be the way he's played in past games.
Hockey Monkey is at #2 for me. What everyone's been accusing FCoD of, HockeyMonkey has been doing for real. This "creepy doll" business has given her an excuse to not post anything strategic at all. It's taken up literally pages of strategic posts and very nearly cost us our first lynch - a bizarre effort that HM had no objections to whatsoever. I'm not sure what the backstory is behind Chucky, but I do know what use Hockey Monkey has made of it. Unlike Duke, I have no problems seeing HockeyMonkey as part of a scum team.
As to HockeyMonkey being town, there's not a great deal of evidence that I can see to that effect. That said, any HockeyMonkey=scum theory has to take into account the genuine existence of the creepy doll, though, and the ambiguity as to where it came from is the reason I'm not voting her right now. Instead my vote goes to suspect #1 in my eyes:
I vote Bufftabby.
So what we have here is a fairly quiet player who's not really stood out in any way but isn't made noticeably by any lack of activity either. She's the queen of bandwagonning - she's the only person to have gotten aboard all three of the Pleonast, Diggit AND FCoD bandwagons. With regard to Pleonast, she set up this "FOS":
"Pleo's caught up enough to discuss who got their pm when, but hasn't bothered to read the Dawn post? That says to me that he might already have known what the Dawn post would say."
This is despite Pleo's already having claimed a town role that was mentioned specifically in that same Dawn post. God forbid any of us actually miss a detail that's posted in the opening color! I~ called this "ridiculous" a few RL days ago, and I~ wouldn't change that statement. To me, it looks like an attempt to frame Pleonast. Apart from some role-related fluff, I can't see anything that Bufftabby's really contributed. That in itself wouldn't put her above the lurkers if it wasn't that so much else about her sent up big red flags in my mind. She's acted as I'd expect a fairly predictable scum to act.
Well, that's my analysis. Once again, I ~could be extremely wrong here. I'd bet good money on being right about at least one of my top three, and I'd also put at least two scum in that "lurker" group. I~ guess we'll just have to see what happens now...
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 17:20:28 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jul 27, 2008 17:20:28 GMT -5
Nanook has posted exactly seven sentences of nothingness so far. Either she's got a bizarre role that limits her post count or she's really, really not into this game. He actually. I'm following along, reading everything. No post restriction here. The problem is that this thread is 23 pages long and something stupid like 18-20 pages of it is bullshit. Marbles, creepy dolls, arguing whether or not Mr. Scummyboots, esq has a post restriction or not, etc. There's so much noise that it's really hard for me to get into the flow of the game. I'm a middle of the road type poster to begin with, but right now I'm struggling to get into the game at all, which causes me to revert to my previous lurker type position. Your bufftabby analysis is fairly compelling for a Day 1 vote. My only hesitation is that bufftabby is one of those people, like Blam and a few others, that always come across as scummy to me. That makes me hesitant to vote for her without a compelling reason to do so. It's a consideration however for a little later. Personally, I'm most suspicious of the ones that are actively contributing to the noise level. In a game like this, with mass confusion abounding, it seems to me that noise is a better way for scum to hide than the more traditional lurkiness. That means that my top two right now are Roosh and peeker, peeker slightly more so. They're the biggest culprits in perpetuating this ridiculous marbles game. Peeker edges ahead because his non-marble posts all seem to mostly be ranting at the mods regarding something or other in his supposed role, that keeps changing in bizarre and nearly incomprehensible fashion. I would say, baring something major occuring, that one of those three, buff, roosh or peeker, will be my vote for the Day. I'm going to pull an MHaye though and wait a bit more than I usually do to actually vote, for hope that some actual discussion occurs.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 17:37:06 GMT -5
Post by Rajaat on Jul 27, 2008 17:37:06 GMT -5
So I did. I waited until after you had unvoted first, though. And that was a conscious decision. Though, to be perfectly honest, there is nothing to disapprove of if you believe my vote was specifically made to draw you out. That was a nice side effect, and it's great that you think that was the purpose. The purpose of the vote was much more simple, though: I fully intended to get you lynched if you didn't post. I know you can be quite dangerous as scum and, if you weren't, it would have hardly mattered if you were town. You simply did not contribute. However, I'm happy with your explanation. I've had some trouble keeping up in this game as well, due to the page dumps. So, I think I'll refrain from voting you for now. We'll see what the future holds. - IMO MHaye's lack of activity here is uncharacteristic. At one point he seems to make a virtue of his own lack of contribution, which comes off wrong to me. Agreed. Rajaat seems to have a genuine mod-confirmed investigative role. He comes across as sharp but insane, and My Ugly Scum Bits notice he was pretty quick to jump on DrainGead's statement about his town role PM. That said, he's been pretty sharp in everything else as well - including the things that My Ugly Scum Bits agree with him on - and My Ugly Scum Bits can't see the great and glorious mods giving a player a scum role that is carried out openly in the main forum. So I'm ok to accept him as legit. Just to be clear, what points did you agree with me on? (Heh, insane? Me? I would never...) Hockey Monkey is at #2 for me. What everyone's been accusing FCoD of, HockeyMonkey has been doing for real. This "creepy doll" business has given her an excuse to not post anything strategic at all. It's taken up literally pages of strategic posts and very nearly cost us our first lynch - a bizarre effort that HM had no objections to whatsoever. I'm not sure what the backstory is behind Chucky, but My Ugly Scum Bits do know what use Hockey Monkey has made of it. Unlike Duke, My Ugly Scum Bits have no problems seeing HockeyMonkey as part of a scum team. Acceptable, but I have a question: if it is in fact just a device to make his posts useless, how do the Gastards factor into it? They've burned him on the use of that thing once already, so I'm curious what your thoughts are.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 17:57:24 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jul 27, 2008 17:57:24 GMT -5
Acceptable, but I have a question: if it is in fact just a device to make his posts useless, how do the Gastards factor into it? They've burned him on the use of that thing once already, so I'm curious what your thoughts are. I don't know, which is exactly why I haven't voted for HockeyMonkey. The doll, to me, is a massive red herring, but it's also something that's got to be accounted for. HockeyMonkey clearly isn't lying about its existence. If he is scum, it's apparently something that he made use of, not an innate part of his role, so how did he come across it? Nobody's claimed it (not that they would necessarily do so anyway, even if they were town.) Note that none of this clears HM and there could be a very simple explanation for that doll. Until it becomes clear, though, it's an obstacle to the HM theory.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 18:04:28 GMT -5
Post by The Lion on Jul 27, 2008 18:04:28 GMT -5
OK, My Ugly Scum Bits promised a player-by-player analysis, and here it is. ------ Duke. Now if it were simply a case of the most logical suspect, this guy would easily be at the top of my suspect list. He bandwagons, throws out suspicions like confetti, doesn't seem interested in really clearing anybody, and overtly voted "to put pressure on" somebody - a phrase that raises more red flags than the stadium walk-on of the Russian national football team. Town vote to lynch. Scum "put pressure" on people. I'm reminded strongly of "Arkham Nights" here. Two people voted me in that game for basically the same reason that Duke claimed here, and both of those two - TDPatriots and Darth Sensitive - were scum. Aye did no' ge' on ENY Bandwagon, friend. Ef Aye recall correctly, Aye wass tha' first person to ever vo'e fer FCOD, all tha' way back in tha' Teaser Thread, fer christsakes. E' wass my second pos' on arrival ter tha' forums and was thirteen pos's before Aye ever go' my PM. Nowe, how essactly can thae be tha' actions of a Scum, ef Aye did no' even knowe my own role?The only suspicions Aye have been throwin' around having been those a' Mr. SB esq, an' Aye have *repeatedly* sta'ed thae the vo'e was never founded on well-grounded suspicions and only on tha' fac' thae Mr. SB esq. is wiley an' clever -- an impression Aye got from tha' very firs' pos's thae Mr. SB esq. made in tha' Teaser Thread. Aye'm no' accusin' Mr. SB esq. of enythan', except fer bein' too clever fer my comfort. Thae's no' a scumtell in tha' sligh'es'. What essac'ly have Aye been accusin' him of, as ter hold pertinence ter tha' game? Tha' person Aye am gettin' thes tactic from wass playin' as the confirmed governer. Hes tactic outed both the Mafia Don an' hes second-en-comman'. Ef ye wan' proof, here's tha' thread: forums.nexuswar.com/viewtopic.php?t=17345Sorry ef Aye don' essactly knowe how ter play and do things thae only scum were ter do, excepting confirmed pro-town roles. My logi' wass thae ef it worked to out the Mafia Don and hes second-en-comman', e' mus' be a good tactic, righ'? Bu' tha' tactic only works ef Aye'm allowed to hear Mr. SB's side of tha' story, ter see ef hey's over-reactin' and wha'no'. Nowe tha' "Investiga'or-Investiga'ee" atmosphere es ruined. Nowe thae you (and others) have thrown accusations a' me, Mr. SB esq. doesn' have ter defend 'imself as much as he woul' have ef ye hadn've interfered. Also; my actions may be thae of Cop whose found ou' thae Mr. SB esq. is Scum, bu' does no' wan' ter draw attention ter 'imself. Ye've just ruined both scenarios in all inten's an' purposes. But Aye will no' take off my vo'e from Mr. SB esq. (Which was tha firs' vo'e on 'im, ever) until hey's defended 'imself properly. Thae's wha' Aye se' ou' ter do since before tha' beginnin' of thes game, and Aye'll no' have otherwise. Ef hey defends 'imself, than Aye have no problem weth takin' my vo'e off 'im. But. No'. Before.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 18:06:04 GMT -5
Post by Rajaat on Jul 27, 2008 18:06:04 GMT -5
Acceptable, but I have a question: if it is in fact just a device to make his posts useless, how do the Gastards factor into it? They've burned him on the use of that thing once already, so I'm curious what your thoughts are. My Ugly Scum Bits don't know, which is exactly why My Ugly Scum Bits haven't voted for HockeyMonkey. The doll, to me, is a massive red herring, but it's also something that's got to be accounted for. HockeyMonkey clearly isn't lying about its existence. If he is scum, it's apparently something that he made use of, not an innate part of his role, so how did he come across it? Nobody's claimed it (not that they would necessarily do so anyway, even if they were town.) Note that none of this clears HM and there could be a very simple explanation for that doll. Until it becomes clear, though, it's an obstacle to the HM theory. All right. Thank you. What of the other question I directed to you? Duke, I love the accent thing. It's fun to read the posts.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 18:17:04 GMT -5
Post by The Lion on Jul 27, 2008 18:17:04 GMT -5
Ef you guyss do no' ligh'en tha fuck up, pardon my French, Aye am jus' goin' ter have ter go back ter wha' Aye planned originally.
Tha' only thing Aye will be postin' es Vot'es and Unvo'es. Apparently pos'ing enythan a' all an' tryin' ter ge' information ou' of a player and tryin' ter justify those actions es grounds for having suspicion thrown a' ye.
Though, of course, ef Aye can dodge tha lynches, than the Scum will keep me around until la'e game, seeing as Aye'm drawing all tha' attention ter myself.
*wink wink, nudge nudge*.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 18:44:06 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jul 27, 2008 18:44:06 GMT -5
Aye did no' ge' on ENY Bandwagon, friend. Ef Aye recall correctly, Aye wass tha' first person to ever vo'e fer FCOD, all tha' way back in tha' Teaser Thread, fer christsakes. E' wass my second pos' on arrival ter tha' forums and was thirteen pos's before Aye ever go' my PM. Whew! Thanks for giving me the benefits of your vast experience there. Condescending much? Let me answer your points together. I'm not analyzing the teaser threads. Nor did I~ consider, or even look at, any posts before the role PMs were sent out, for obvious reasons. I'm not interested in what happened before the game started (except in a few specific cases with regards to people's playing styles in previous games.) So no, I~ didn't realise that you had voted FCoD before the game. Look, putting aside the question of suspicious people spoiling your plan for a moment - which I'm not going to argue with - you've shown that you didn't bandwagon, fine. Now are you trying to claim that your constancy in having voted FCoD since before the role PMs were even sent out is a good thing? I~ vote how I see it at the time, I don't arbitrarily decide on a suspect before the game even starts and then ask that person to "justify" himself later on. As for where your tactics come from - I'll take your word for it, you've no need to "link" me. I have a little experience of this kind of game myself; I'm not some wet-behind-the-ears newbie. Just don't ask me to back a "pressure" vote. In my own experience - which I suspect is a lot more than you give me credit for - all they generally end up doing is getting the townie who threw the vote in the first place lynched, regardless of whether or not they were right about the alignment of the person they were trying to put pressure on. If you are town, I don't want that to happen here. Oh, and Rajaat, I agreed with you about BlaM playing a role, and lately about Duke's accent. There are other things but I can't recall them at the moment, and frankly I've spent enough time going through everyone's posts to last a lifetime so I'll pass if you don't mind.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 18:48:29 GMT -5
Post by Rajaat on Jul 27, 2008 18:48:29 GMT -5
Oh, and Rajaat, My Ugly Scum Bits agreed with you about BlaM playing a role, and lately about Duke's accent. There are other things but My Ugly Scum Bits can't recall them at the moment, and frankly I've spent enough time going through everyone's posts to last a lifetime so I'll pass if you don't mind. Ha! Yeah, that's fine with me.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 18:55:21 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jul 27, 2008 18:55:21 GMT -5
Ef you guyss do no' ligh'en tha fuck up, pardon my French, Aye am jus' goin' ter have ter go back ter wha' Aye planne d origi nal ly. Tha' only thing Aye will be postin' es Vot'es and Unvo'es. Apparently pos'ing enythan a' all an' tryin' ter ge' information ou' of a player and tryin' ter justify those a ctions es grounds for having suspicion thrown a' ye. Though, of course, ef Aye can dodge tha lynches, than the Scum will keep me around until la'e game, seeing as Aye' m drawing all tha' att ention ter myself. *wink wink, nudge nudge*. Ugh... didn't read this until after I'd posted. Sorry, but your last post to me did kinda come off like you were trying to teach me my business. Seriously, not needed. (Unless Santo, Rajaat, BlaM, Idle and Diggit all turn out to be scum together. In which case you can teach all you like.) Anyway, consider me lightened up as of now, ok?
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 18:58:51 GMT -5
Post by The Lion on Jul 27, 2008 18:58:51 GMT -5
Now are you trying to claim that your constancy in having voted FCoD since before the role PMs were even sent out is a good thing? Noe. Aye mean' thae e' woul' have been impossible fer my Vo'ing of Mr. SB esq. ter have been tha' actions of a Scum, since Aye voted fer 'im righ' of tha' ba' an' have never changed my reasons. Aye did no' mean ter be condescending. Aye wass merely expressin' my argumen' weth factual details. Aye do no' knowe of eny other way ter deflect yer suspicions of me, as ye'll no' take me on my wor', obviously. Hopefully, Mr. SB esq. will actually address my point in full detail, an' we can clear thes whole thin' up.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 19:41:14 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Jul 27, 2008 19:41:14 GMT -5
I am quite short on time, so I'll ask you molefan, when you say
What Mr Scummyboots Esq bandwagon did I get on? Cite, please, because it certainly did not happen. Are you lying, or are you just wrong?
I have more commentary on the rest of your post, but I haven't the time just yet. It raised some pretty crimson flags for me all the way down, before I had even seen your vote for me. More later.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2008 19:55:12 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jul 27, 2008 19:55:12 GMT -5
BUFFTABBYS RITE. SHE, IN FACT, SEEMD RATHR AGAINST TEH SCUMMYBOOTS BANDWAGON 2 ME Ah would hazard a guess that Mr. Scummyboots, esq has a post restriction AGAINST MENTIONING THAT HE HAS A POST RESTRICTION. Now, I'm all in favor of quizzing those who have restrictions on the nature of it, but Ah don't see the point of lambasting Mr. Scummyboots, esq for failing to explain. He's either making it up, or unable to say. This seems very duh to me. My Ugly Scum Bits can't see him just making this up for fun, and if it's scum cover My Ugly Scum Bits doubt he's actually going to say so. AN SHE ONLY FOS'ED PLEONAST.
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