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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 10:50:19 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 24, 2008 10:50:19 GMT -5
Didn't Roosh warn us he'd be less active this game? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 11:02:18 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Sept 24, 2008 11:02:18 GMT -5
It is 'canon'.
And Roosh is playing? And he hasn't already tried to kill mole for his absurd claiming style being ripped off? Color me surprised.
I'm pretty comfortable with the lynch taking down Arcade right now. The sheer amount of nonforthcomingness is not influencing me to pull my grain of salt and take what he is now saying at face value.
The other thing I found worth noting - In the Ultimate Marvel universe, the Legacy Virus was created by SHIELD while working on the Super Soldier project. Don't know if that is relevant here, but it's something to ponder.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 11:04:47 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 24, 2008 11:04:47 GMT -5
From the going to be away thread:
Roosh
I am not keen on voting him off as I don't think he is lurking strategically. I would rather he be subbed out or mod-killed if he doesn't have time to play.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 11:09:07 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 24, 2008 11:09:07 GMT -5
You know what else is odd? When you burp and it tastes like eggs yet you didn't have any eggs that day! It's like, where does that ghost egg-burp-taste come from? Okay, sorry, but this is fucking funny! Anyway, I don't know what the heck I'm gunna do today. molefan's Miller claim is a bit odd out of the gate, especially since he's going to be handing shit out at night. Idle's claim is weird, too, but if he protects himself tonight and if we have a Vig, that would help us sort things out a bit. Not that we'd know right away, of course, as I'd expect the Vig to keep their yap shut for a bit. The SK probably wants him dead (again, if there is one), too (so he's not out blocking -any-) kills. I think that one will sort itself out pretty quick. The two groups don't want to have somebody out and about blocking all their kills and extending the game, so he's going to be attacked at some point, I'm sure.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 11:19:04 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Sept 24, 2008 11:19:04 GMT -5
Santo, peeker has claimed Miller, not mole.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 11:48:09 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 24, 2008 11:48:09 GMT -5
NAF, it's got two n's if you shoot it and one n if you read it. "Canon".
I concur with you, btw. Lynch the lurker. vote Roosh
He said he wouldn't be here this weekend but would be this week--it's now Wednesday.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 11:52:40 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 24, 2008 11:52:40 GMT -5
UATU NOTES
ROOSH HAS REQUESTED A SUB AND WILL BE REPLACED, IF HE IS ALIVE, AT DUSK. YOU MAY CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR HIM OR NOT AS YOU PLEASE.[/I]
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:01:18 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 24, 2008 12:01:18 GMT -5
Really, RoOsh? Srsly, how hard could med school be?
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:02:28 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 24, 2008 12:02:28 GMT -5
Actually, what are you two thinking, voting to lynch the lurker on Day One? Lurking is a weak scum tell at best, and on Day One it's definitely a null tell. Players sign up for games and it turns out they can't play. Lynching them ToDay is simply tactless.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:02:37 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Sept 24, 2008 12:02:37 GMT -5
Let's lynch Idle and then he can sub in for Roosh
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:16:44 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 24, 2008 12:16:44 GMT -5
If hawkeye doesn't wake up toMorrow, I'm looking in Idle's direction!
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:20:27 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 24, 2008 12:20:27 GMT -5
Actually, what are you two thinking, voting to lynch the lurker on Day One? Lurking is a weak scum tell at best, and on Day One it's definitely a null tell. Players sign up for games and it turns out they can't play. Lynching them ToDay is simply tactless. I have said this before, and in fact I think you have agreed with me on this in the past Pleo. Day 1 lynches aren't about catching scum, they are about generating information. I am trying to get rid of the dead weight players who will make the game harder to play come Day 5 because they generated no information. I don't really care if the first lynch is scum or not as long as the proper amount of information is generated. With Roosh subbing out I will take my vote off of him. Unvote Roosh
Vote PleoFor holding positions are are decidedly un-Pleo like. People change, that's fair. But your case against mole, especially considering who you are and how you played in the past, is strange. Do you remember M5? I do. You were every bit as weird and distracting in that game as mole is now. You frequently stand up against popular town ideas that don't really hold water. Your coming down against the lynch the lurker vote is the final straw for me. You know better than that Pleo.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:22:48 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 24, 2008 12:22:48 GMT -5
Actually, what are you two thinking, voting to lynch the lurker on Day One? Lurking is a weak scum tell at best, and on Day One it's definitely a null tell. Players sign up for games and it turns out they can't play. Lynching them ToDay is simply tactless. I have said this before, and in fact I think you have agreed with me on this in the past Pleo. Day 1 lynches aren't about catching scum, they are about generating information. I am trying to get rid of the dead weight players who will make the game harder to play come Day 5 because they generated no information. I don't really care if the first lynch is scum or not as long as the proper amount of information is generated. With Roosh subbing out I will take my vote off of him. Unvote Roosh
Vote PleoFor holding positions are are decidedly un-Pleo like. People change, that's fair. But your case against mole, especially considering who you are and how you played in the past, is strange. Do you remember M5? I do. You were every bit as weird and distracting in that game as mole is now. You frequently stand up against popular town ideas that don't really hold water. Your coming down against the lynch the lurker vote is the final straw for me. You know better than that Pleo. Sorry, left out a sentense. The underlined bit should read: You frequently stand up against popular town ideas that don't really hold water, but now you are driving a weak lynch based on not enough information and you aren't even trying to explore other ideas.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:52:51 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 24, 2008 12:52:51 GMT -5
Irony alert: "lynch the lurker" is the one thing Pleo's said that I actually agree with thus far. After Idle and Sinjin, I'd expect the scum to be playing this one very quietly indeed. Again I come back to the "Batman" game, where three of the scum were on my early "lurker" list. That said, I don't think it should be Roosh, given that he (apparently) said he'd have difficulties being around at the start of the game, and then asked to be subbed out. Question: when and where did Roosh say about med school exactly? I can't find it anywhere now and I didn't notice it before.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:52:51 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 24, 2008 12:52:51 GMT -5
I'd agree with you if weren't Day One. But lynching a Day One lurker really is pointless. We have no information other than Roosh hasn't posted. He's never voted. We'll go no information at all. Reactions of other players will be based on what? There's nothing to react to, Roosh hasn't said anything! And there's no reason to expect he will. At least vote for someone who people will have an opinion about. And someone who will respond. See, like me. About "now you are driving a weak lynch based on not enough information and you aren't even trying to explore other ideas.": Hey, I've reread this thread three times now. I found my suspicions of molefan on the first reread. I posted my suspicions and voted based on that. I've questioned molefan further, and argued with his responses. I haven't found anything else particularly suspicious. Oh, wait, your vote for Roosh. Apparently you hadn't either, until I complained about your vote, and now you're voting for me. From my point of view, I'm one of the few doing any heavy lifting here. Most people are simply following along. Why don't you complain about them? Or do you expect me to do all the analyses?
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 12:54:57 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 24, 2008 12:54:57 GMT -5
Irony alert: "lynch the lurker" is the one thing Pleo's said that I actually agree with thus far. After Idle and Sinjin, I'd expect the scum to be playing this one very quietly indeed. Again I come back to the "Batman" game, where three of the scum were on my early "lurker" list. That said, I don't think it should be Roosh, given that he (apparently) said he'd have difficulties being around at the start of the game, and then asked to be subbed out. Question: when and where did Roosh say about med school exactly? I can't find it anywhere now and I didn't notice it before. That should have read "DON'T lynch the lurker", at least as it applies to Roosh. I think lynching a quiet, unhelpful person (at least one who hasn't been too busy defending his own as s to help!) is a pretty sound strategy, especially given how many scum on this board seem to play it exactly that way.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:02:47 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 24, 2008 13:02:47 GMT -5
unvote Roosh in the interests of not being a jerk.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:07:34 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 24, 2008 13:07:34 GMT -5
Santo, peeker has claimed Miller, not mole. Duh. What've you got against me? You keep following me around in both of the current games, telling me all the shit I'm conflating and confusing and generally con-ing... maybe I should get a mod sub for being an idiot. Regardless, though, a Miller claim right out of the gate is quite funky, IMHO.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:07:48 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 24, 2008 13:07:48 GMT -5
I'd agree with you if weren't Day One. But lynching a Day One lurker really is pointless. We have no information other than Roosh hasn't posted. He's never voted. We'll go no information at all. Reactions of other players will be based on what? There's nothing to react to, Roosh hasn't said anything! And there's no reason to expect he will. At least vote for someone who people will have an opinion about. And someone who will respond. See, like me. About "now you are driving a weak lynch based on not enough information and you aren't even trying to explore other ideas.": Hey, I've reread this thread three times now. I found my suspicions of molefan on the first reread. I posted my suspicions and voted based on that. I've questioned molefan further, and argued with his responses. I haven't found anything else particularly suspicious. Oh, wait, your vote for Roosh. Apparently you hadn't either, until I complained about your vote, and now you're voting for me. From my point of view, I'm one of the few doing any heavy lifting here. Most people are simply following along. Why don't you complain about them? Or do you expect me to do all the analyses? You absolutely are one of the few doing the heavy lifting. And that isn't right. You call my vote for Roosh suspicious, but I don't say why. My vote for Roosh was two fold 1) to get him to post or sub mission accomplished and vote removed 2) if he wouldn't post or sub, to remove him from the game since he will be a hinderance later on. We might not learn a lot right away, but we wouldn't learn any less than we learned from lynching molefan, and he would no longer be a dead weight on the informational situation of the game. I could vote for someone else at this point, but I wanted to see what you would do if I voted for you. Your reaction was interesting since you basically accused me of OMGUS voting you, when that really isn't what I did. You have taken positions that I find contrary to your past behavior, so I placed a vote. Mole is behaving EXACTLY as you did in M5, and frankly the way several pro town players have acted in the past. I suppose what I am saying is that his soft claim may have been anti town, but it wasn't particularly pro scum. And anti town behavior != scumtell. Townies do anti town crap all the time and you know it. But you are one of the handfull of people who has been goading mole and continuing the distraction of town so nothing real is getting talked about. There are other people involved in that situation too, but it seems more out of character from you than it does from others. So I voted and waited to see what you would do. I have no illusions of building a bandwagon on you or anyone toDay. This isn't even a great case against you, I will freely admit that. But it is a different case that what we have currently and frankley variety is a good thing at the moment.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:21:08 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 24, 2008 13:21:08 GMT -5
I would like to say that NAF is behaving precisely towards pleonast, as he did towards me in the apocalypse game, in which he was scum.
As long as we're using trends....
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Sept 24, 2008 13:24:24 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 24, 2008 13:24:24 GMT -5
...continuing the distraction of town so nothing real is getting talked about... I don't get this (and its a sentiment I don't really understand on Day 1, so kindly answer in general as well as specifically, if you would). What's real? Canon? I understand trying to figure out the game dynamics, but without a mass name claim, we're not going to know what/who a majority of the town are. I guess I just never understood what was "real" on Day 1. 95% of the time, there's nothing substantial to go on. It seems to me that we usually find that 5% with things that aren't "real", but perhaps I'm confused. Can you elaborate?
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:26:21 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 24, 2008 13:26:21 GMT -5
I would like to say that NAF is behaving precisely towards pleonast, as he did towards me in the apocalypse game, in which he was scum. As long as we're using trends.... I act like this all the time. I usually get lynched for doing this either way, but I still think it's the better way to play. At least for me.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:30:41 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Sept 24, 2008 13:30:41 GMT -5
Erm... I made a full roleclaim. The only thing I have ever withheld from the first time I claimed was my title. (Let's not confuse it with names, I don't HAVE a name.) I've told you what I know, what I do, and what the effects are. A lot of people conveniently jumped on that. Look at them. So, let me get this straight Your Role name: Arcade Your Power: You hand out candy at Night Your Effect: ?? molefan1981: Apologies for this but I cannot find where you said what the effect of your candy is. But in your post above, you said you had said what the effects are. Please can you clarify? If anyone else can find it, that would be useful.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:33:36 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 24, 2008 13:33:36 GMT -5
I believe he said the effects we unknown to him in prior posts.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 13:49:51 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 24, 2008 13:49:51 GMT -5
...continuing the distraction of town so nothing real is getting talked about... I don't get this (and its a sentiment I don't really understand on Day 1, so kindly answer in general as well as specifically, if you would). What's real? Canon? I understand trying to figure out the game dynamics, but without a mass name claim, we're not going to know what/who a majority of the town are. I guess I just never understood what was "real" on Day 1. 95% of the time, there's nothing substantial to go on. It seems to me that we usually find that 5% with things that aren't "real", but perhaps I'm confused. Can you elaborate? You know what, this is a good point and I suppose that my phraseology is bad with that one. What I am looking for is more information. We got everything we were going to get from mole. I asked a few follow up questions, and then he full claimed. We more or less did the same thing to Idle, but we haven't discussed anything that puts multiple players on record as far as what ideas they favor. So we have options I guess. We can start pushing on the other people who are talking. Some of them are probably scum and what people say and do when those pressures are put on them will be usefull later. We can start putting pressure on the people not playing enough. Again, some of them are probably scum and what people say and do when etc. etc. We can sit back and do nothing and just let mole get lynched and not talk about anything else until that lynch is over. On another matter, I should explain, I play this game selfishly. I have said this before. I don't really know any other way to play. So I try to find players I can trust. I always like to know what side of the trust line I want to put Pleo on as early as possible because he is dangerous. So he is one of the people I like to test early.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 14:04:43 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 24, 2008 14:04:43 GMT -5
I've been considering doing this for a while, but I wanted to see if anything new came up. It hasn't.
vote peekercpa
I see now two people who claim that they're handing things out at night, one of whom claims a benefit to town. One of whom claims they don't know what it does. But both claim town. It's possible they're both telling the truth, but that would involve either two singificantly harmful mechanics that have two people that can protect us against them or one very harmful mechanic that requires two protectants. At this point I don't really see that being likely.
And as others have said, a Miller claim on Day 1 is weird.
I'm less apt to believe peeker than molefan, so my vote sits with him. I will briefly move it to trigger the countdown if we decide that we want to do have a countdown come into play, but after triggering I will most likely move it back.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 14:26:38 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 24, 2008 14:26:38 GMT -5
I don't find a claim of Miller on Day 1 that odd; assuming that the player knows what his role is. If I'm honest, the other two claims both get a higher reading on my odd-meter. The problem is that accepting it as a matter of routine makes it a handy get-out-of-lynching-free card for real scum, so Miller claims can't be given a free pass.
I think a reread of Peeker's posts Today is probably called for.
We've got under 18 hours to go; the Molefan wagon still has the inertia, but I'm not going to join it. I'm with those who want to see what happens to FCOD. I will, however, be suspicious if little or nothing happens, because that's an indicator of a Mad Hatter type role.
Right now I need some inspiration.
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 15:11:48 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 24, 2008 15:11:48 GMT -5
Wow. How much fun. peekerpa's making a play to get himself lynched in front of molefan. I don't buy it though: I think we should hold off until tomorrow to run him up a pole.
What a shame, though. Angel's always been one of my fav X-men.
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Sept 24, 2008 15:13:03 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 24, 2008 15:13:03 GMT -5
Here's something I've been pondering:
If molefan is indeed scum, wouldn't the other scum player be trying to move the vote to someone else, or would that be too obvious? I mean - there's only one or two votes on anyone else.. isn't that suspicious? It's not like mole's lynching is set in stone, so wouldn't there at least be an attempt to rock the vote? Or is that what Hoopy's doing?
Naturally, he could be a third party, and the scum could therefore want him dead along with the rest of us.
But I am completely for putting the pressure on someone else - the following people strike me as suspect (In no particular order):
- Idle Hands (For a weird claim) - Peeker (For claiming miller, which could be a good alibi to avoid an investigation) - FCOD (For wanting the candy)
I think Idle has taken enough focus already. I don't know what questions to ask Peeker, but perhaps someone can step in here. The only thing I can think to ask FCOD is for him to try to explain why he would volunteer to eat the candy if he had no clue as to it's effects?
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Day One
Sept 24, 2008 15:17:02 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 24, 2008 15:17:02 GMT -5
If hawkeye doesn't wake up toMorrow, I'm looking in Idle's direction! Hey, I'm all for it. Then I can claim whatever ROOSH is right away.
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