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Sept 22, 2008 21:49:02 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 22, 2008 21:49:02 GMT -5
And just to finish up on the CandyLand theme.
No doubt that Bufftabby is Princess Lolly and Santo is Gloppy.
King Kandy is yet to be assigned but I've got some candidates. You bet, I do.
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Sept 22, 2008 21:55:00 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 21:55:00 GMT -5
So, molefan, why are you afraid to give out your name? Or are you forbidden from saying why? Neither, but if I'm giving it out, I want to know that the rest of the players are as well. The role details are different - I presume everyone will know about the candy come day two, and I can't see any harm in saying I was responsible for that. Unless the mods are real gastards, I don't see any likelihood of the candy having negative effects on the person who eats it. In the unlikely event that a name-based malicious PFK or scum ability does exist though (and something of the kind did in "Batman"), I don't particularly want to give whoever has it a free shot at me. I've not given out my role PM or any details from it that would suggest the identity of the character, other than my ability; and, at least from what I can find about them on the Internet, there's very little connection between my role and the actual Marvel character I'm playing. Hell, nobody's got it right yet. FTR I'm against a mass roleclaim, simply because of a possible "Riddler"-style ability, although I think that's unlikely. More likely is the idea that it'll give the scum a help in choosing who to target. That said, unlike in "Batman" I've got no particular personal reason for opposing a roleclaim if everyone decides it's in the town's best interests.
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Sept 22, 2008 22:05:51 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 22:05:51 GMT -5
Point of fact we have to wait to see if FCOD receives a lollipop, not a generic somebody. Then would you like to name somebody else to receive a nice tasty lollipop? Or have it delivered to you possibly?
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Sept 22, 2008 23:06:30 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Sept 22, 2008 23:06:30 GMT -5
Boy am I going to regret this if Molefan is scum, but I really think we should hold off on lynching him. I've already agreed to try the candy and I'll report back on what happens. At least one part of his role will be mod-confirmed in the morning, supposedly, and my curiosity has gotten the better of me. However, if you all want to kill Molefan I will get behind it if necessary to start the countdown. I have no real reason to keep him alive than I am curious about his role and I think he might be telling the truth. --FCOD I have to get behind this post. I doubt very much that we have a game that would be won or lost by a round of candy during the first Day. And I also think that scum who out themselves during the first Day by making a claim that fails to come through on the second Day would be making a horrible mistake. IMHO: let's look at the results of the candy during toMorrow. Afterwards we can really lynch (or confirm) molefan.
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Sept 22, 2008 23:09:18 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Sept 22, 2008 23:09:18 GMT -5
Point of fact we have to wait to see if FCOD receives a lollipop, not a generic somebody. Then would you like to name somebody else to receive a nice tasty lollipop? Or have it delivered to you possibly? Me! Pick me!
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Sept 22, 2008 23:15:57 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 23:15:57 GMT -5
I don't particularly feel comfy with the candy, and I think the quibbling over names on the part of Moleman is kinda paranoid but not necessarily without reason.
It's worth waiting on.
As for forgetting the Idle/Sinjin drama, my vote hasn't moved, personally, although sinjin's intermittent vehemence is kinda amusing. If she was scum, she'd likely have laid off by now--usually it's the townies who tilt at windmills.
unvote sinjin
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Sept 22, 2008 23:19:27 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 22, 2008 23:19:27 GMT -5
All right. I've seen a lot of totally unreasonable role claims in my time. Most of them have been by Roosh, I'll admit. But in most cases, when someone throws out a totally ridiculous role (with the exception for the Gastard Mod game), it's bullshit. I'm going to vote on that merit. [color-red] unvote: Idle[/color vote: Molefan
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Sept 22, 2008 23:20:08 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 22, 2008 23:20:08 GMT -5
[color-red] unvote: Idle[/color] vote: Molefan[/b]
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Sept 22, 2008 23:20:47 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 22, 2008 23:20:47 GMT -5
DAMNIT!!!
unvote: Idle vote: Molefan
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Sept 22, 2008 23:32:34 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 23:32:34 GMT -5
Apparently needs less boozahol and more squid.
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Sept 22, 2008 23:43:21 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 23:43:21 GMT -5
All right. I've seen a lot of totally unreasonable role claims in my time. Most of them have been by Roosh, I'll admit. But in most cases, when someone throws out a totally ridiculous role (with the exception for the Gastard Mod game), it's bullshit. I'm going to vote on that merit. [color-red] unvote: Idle[/color vote: MolefanOK... deep breath here... IT'S PROVABLE BULLSHIT!!!!When I was the Godfather, I made up the role of Colonel Kurtz, which was reasonable. It was also completely wrong. THIS role is unreasonable. It's also completely right. What would you rather have?
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Sept 22, 2008 23:47:00 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 23:47:00 GMT -5
And also, there speaks the mod who gave me the role of "Rehydrated Dehydrated Pirate" for the Batman game... would you say THAT was reasonable?
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Sept 22, 2008 23:57:48 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 23:57:48 GMT -5
The easy way out of this is to claim the name as well as the power. Tell you what, trade you names--I'll give you mine if you give me yours.
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Sept 23, 2008 0:23:06 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 23, 2008 0:23:06 GMT -5
Mole:
I made my post long enough so it wouldn't easily be missed, but you might not have seen it. Regardless of what Peeker thinks, those were all legit questions. If you don't know what I am talking about with some of them (or any of them) feel free to tell me that I was being too obscure for you, but I was kind of hoping that you would see what I was getting at.
You already answered one of my questions even though it wasn't directed at me, I would be interested in hearing what you have to say about the others. I am not necessarily suspicious of you right now, but that might be because I know you better than some of the other players at this point (what with being co-masons and then watching you play in Gastard and talking to you about Gastard after you died)
I am just trying to get my head around your behavior. So an answer of some sort would be nice (again, even if the answer is uniformly I don't know what you are talking about).
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Sept 23, 2008 0:44:27 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 23, 2008 0:44:27 GMT -5
The easy way out of this is to claim the name as well as the power. Tell you what, trade you names--I'll give you mine if you give me yours. If I have to late on, I will. If you want to name-claim, that's fine, but I don't want to do it unless I'm forced to (or unless there's a mass claim).
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Sept 23, 2008 0:53:49 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 23, 2008 0:53:49 GMT -5
You big meanies, Idle Thoughts is not scum, in fact he's such a sweet guy and my lover... Idle, dude...sleeping with the creepy doll? I thought you had standards. In other news, I am not voting for you. But I am asking you to shape up an not be so intentionally distracting. You know what I am talking about, so cut it out. If you actually are town just ignore the people questioning you. I don't think anyone doesn't get your position at this point. Seven pages and 90% of it is yelling about Idle. I thought we had an SOP about role claims. The rest is just noise. Sheesh. A couple of people pinged me a bit in my read, but the only one I want to talk about right now is mole, because I don't know about him. It isn't so much that he pinged me as scum but that he pinged me as acting WAY out of character, so, which doesn't mean scum but does mean I want to find out what is going on. So, some questions mole. Prelim Question: IMO half claims are far worse than either a full claim or no claim. What do you think, and why? I'd disagree on principle, because there might be certain things you don't want the scum to know. That's not the case here. I don't particularly want them to know my name, but that's about it. My roleclaim is 100% accurate. I give out candy at night. I don't know what it does to the person who eats it, but I suspect it's harmless. I am aligned with the town. And thanks to Story's intervention, I can quote this as my win condition: "YOU WIN WITH THE TOWN WHEN: All scum have been eliminated, and there is no chance of a solo win for any third-party element, whether you are alive or not." Question: do you hate shoes? Pick one: 2. no, with a follow up of "I don't have any idea what you're talking about". If it's to do with the Apocalypse game and Darth Sensitive's role in it, then no, no, no, I am most definitely not possessed! Question 2: Do you know the first rule of Fight Club? How about the second? Don't talk about Fight Club. And don't talk about Fight Club. Again, not sure what you mean here, unless you're telling me I shouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place (which is probably true, but whatever...) Question 3: Is your character in fact left handed? And can you get Zeriel to remind me what Mr. Left Handed Guy had to do with candy? I don't recall that. Not as far as I'm aware. I think you're on the wrong track here NAF. I'm the harmless old man. Question 4: Had it occured to you to try and look up your character on Wiki or Google? If it did, what did you find? If it did not, why not? Don't you want to know about the role you were assigned? Yes it did, and I didn't find very much - character description, powers, etc, none of which had much to do with candy. I don't know anything about the Marvel Universe other than what I've seen in films, so I'm completely lacking context. Ok, that's all for now.
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Sept 23, 2008 0:55:48 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 23, 2008 0:55:48 GMT -5
Reposting for clarity and text I can actually read:
In other news, I am not voting for you. But I am asking you to shape up an not be so intentionally distracting. You know what I am talking about, so cut it out. If you actually are town just ignore the people questioning you. I don't think anyone doesn't get your position at this point.
Seven pages and 90% of it is yelling about Idle. I thought we had an SOP about role claims. The rest is just noise. Sheesh.
A couple of people pinged me a bit in my read, but the only one I want to talk about right now is mole, because I don't know about him. It isn't so much that he pinged me as scum but that he pinged me as acting WAY out of character, so, which doesn't mean scum but does mean I want to find out what is going on. So, some questions mole.
Prelim Question: IMO half claims are far worse than either a full claim or no claim. What do you think, and why?
I'd disagree on principle, because there might be certain things you don't want the scum to know. That's not the case here. I don't particularly want them to know my name, but that's about it. My roleclaim is 100% accurate. I give out candy at night. I don't know what it does to the person who eats it, but I suspect it's harmless. I am aligned with the town. And thanks to Story's intervention, I can quote this as my win condition:
"YOU WIN WITH THE TOWN WHEN: All scum have been eliminated, and there is no chance of a solo win for any third-party element, whether you are alive or not."
Question: do you hate shoes? Pick one:
2. no, with a follow up of "I don't have any idea what you're talking about". If it's to do with the Apocalypse game and Darth Sensitive's role in it, then no, no, no, I am most definitely not possessed!
Question 2:
Do you know the first rule of Fight Club? How about the second?
Don't talk about Fight Club. And don't talk about Fight Club. Again, not sure what you mean here, unless you're telling me I shouldn't have roleclaimed in the first place (which is probably true, but whatever...)
Question 3:
Is your character in fact left handed? And can you get Zeriel to remind me what Mr. Left Handed Guy had to do with candy? I don't recall that.
Not as far as I'm aware. I think you're on the wrong track here NAF. I'm the harmless old man.
Question 4:
Had it occured to you to try and look up your character on Wiki or Google? If it did, what did you find? If it did not, why not? Don't you want to know about the role you were assigned?
Yes it did, and I didn't find very much - character description, powers, etc, none of which had much to do with candy. I don't know anything about the Marvel Universe other than what I've seen in films, so I'm completely lacking context.
Ok, that's all for now.
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Sept 23, 2008 0:59:41 GMT -5
Post by Darth Sensitive on Sept 23, 2008 0:59:41 GMT -5
Hatred of shoes is a reference to having a posting restriction. Roosh had a role in the 3 kingdom mafia where he couldn't talk about being against the Shu clan. But he claimed that he hated shoes in order to get the point across. It gave the message, but I think he lost even so.
Apocalypse was just taking off of that.
So - shoes?
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Sept 23, 2008 1:03:38 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 23, 2008 1:03:38 GMT -5
Reposting for clarity and text I can actually read: In other news, I am not voting for you. But I am asking you to shape up an not be so intentionally distracting. You know what I am talking about, so cut it out. If you actually are town just ignore the people questioning you. I don't think anyone doesn't get your position at this point.
Seven pages and 90% of it is yelling about Idle. I thought we had an SOP about role claims. The rest is just noise. Sheesh.
A couple of people pinged me a bit in my read, but the only one I want to talk about right now is mole, because I don't know about him. It isn't so much that he pinged me as scum but that he pinged me as acting WAY out of character, so, which doesn't mean scum but does mean I want to find out what is going on. So, some questions mole.
Prelim Question: IMO half claims are far worse than either a full claim or no claim. What do you think, and why?I'd disagree on principle, because there might be certain things you don't want the scum to know. That's not the case here. I don't particularly want them to know my name, but that's about it. My roleclaim is 100% accurate. I give out candy at night. I don't know what it does to the person who eats it, but I suspect it's harmless. I am aligned with the town. And thanks to Story's intervention, I can quote this as my win condition: "YOU WIN WITH THE TOWN WHEN: All scum have been eliminated, and there is no chance of a solo win for any third-party element, whether you are alive or not." Good to know. I will hang onto that for future reference. Not a question about possession, but this and fight club were talked about in both Batman and Apocalypse, so I thought you might know what I was getting at. If not, don't worry. see above. I can't really explain without invalidating the question. Yes, you already answered this one, you are not sinister. Word games are fun! Also good to know. Did you find information that didn't have to do with candy or is this more akin to the pirate role you had where finding anything was near impossible if you didn't already know where to look? And with that, I am going to continue to not vote for you today as long as you don't head back into town distractor territory. You and Idle both like the spotlight too much.
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Sept 23, 2008 1:05:14 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 23, 2008 1:05:14 GMT -5
Hatred of shoes is a reference to having a posting restriction. Roosh had a role in the 3 kingdom mafia where he couldn't talk about being against the Shu clan. But he claimed that he hated shoes in order to get the point across. It gave the message, but I think he lost even so. Apocalypse was just taking off of that. So - shoes? No, I can say whatever I choose to say. I may be harmless, I'm not mute.
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Sept 23, 2008 1:09:31 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Sept 23, 2008 1:09:31 GMT -5
The Fight Club reference was one I used in the Batman game where claiming a role would remove the powers of the individual if they did claim.
See Day 2 for further details.
::waves at sinjin::
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Sept 23, 2008 1:32:22 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 23, 2008 1:32:22 GMT -5
You and Idle both like the spotlight too much. I completely agree, although I don't exactly have much choice here. So how about we switch the topic to somebody who might actually be votable? Let me reiterate my point on Pleonast: "FOS Pleonast, for not even reading my post with enough attention to get the point of it. Firstly, I make a good case as to why lynching me at this point is a bad move - namely, that lynching a townie rather than a scum or PFK at this point seriously hurts our odds of winning this thing. You've not even tried to answer this. Secondly, with regard to my power - "the candy does nothing harmful to the taker but advances the non-town victory condition" - are you serious? Do you realise how far you're trying to stretch this? You're trying to say that the candy somehow affects the town cause but not the person who actually eats it? How on earth is that supposed to happen? This isn't the Mad Hatter's hats or Bufftabby's lolkat thrall or something, IT'S CANDY. It's a frikkin' lollipop! Assuming for the moment it exists (which your logic does and which will be provably true come day two, provided I haven't been lynched, night-killed or roleblocked by then), what the heck do you think one lollipop given to one person could possibly do to the entire town cause as a whole? Pleo, you seem quite determined to add to the case against me, despite the fact that your logic stinks. For that reason, unvote Sinjin and vote Pleonast." So - unlike our resident cephalopod, who thinks I'm lying through my teeth, Pleo seems to argue that I'm telling the truth about the candy (and once again I'd point out that I would hardly lie about this, no matter what my alignment I'd still have to produce the goods at some point) but suspects me because he thinks "the candy does nothing harmful to the taker but advances the non-town victory condition". Let me remind you that we're talking about giving out lollipops here. I give out a piece of candy to one person each night. That's my role. I know it's outlandish to say the least, but can anybody seriously suggest a way that giving out candy could be harmful to the town's cause without directly impacting on the person who actually ate it? What I don't like about Pleonast's argument is that its circular. The original votes on me were from people who didn't believe my roleclaim. Well, fine, provided I don't get roleblocked killed or lynched I can prove that I'm telling the truth about the candy easily enough. But Pleo starts with the presumption that I'm anti-town, and promptly looks for ways to justify it. He's realised that I wouldn't lie about my role when it's so easily proven, so he fishes for a halfway-plausible explanation of how I could give out candy that doesn't hurt anybody and still be scum. That's how he comes up with the thing about "advancing the non-town victory condition". Note - he's not giving any argument that proves or suggests that I'm scum. He's not suggested, even, why he thinks I am scum. He's saying, "Molefan, if you are scum, this is how it would work, therefore you have to be scum." Am I the only one who sees this as completely scummy in itself? He's fishing for a reason to get me lynched. He doesn't suspect me, he doesn't have any reason to. The only reason given has been from people who don't believe my roleclaim; by his own admission he does believe me, yet he's still voting for me. Why do you think that is?
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Sept 23, 2008 3:36:46 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 23, 2008 3:36:46 GMT -5
The latest posts from Molefan has made me uncertain, so I'll unvote: Molefan for now. He has quoted the win condition without flaw, which I suppose he wouldn't be able to do without having it. (Or is it a copy/paste from earlier games)?
I suppose we'll find out what the candy does, but should we elect a random person to receive the candy instead? Can we actually confirm who eats the candy and what happens?
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Sept 23, 2008 4:22:29 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Sept 23, 2008 4:22:29 GMT -5
The latest posts from Molefan has made me uncertain, so I'll unvote: Molefanfor now. He has quoted the win condition without flaw, which I suppose he wouldn't be able to do without having it. (Or is it a copy/paste from earlier games)? I suppose we'll find out what the candy does, but should we elect a random person to receive the candy instead? Can we actually confirm who eats the candy and what happens? You mean he could have cut and paste the win condition directly from the sample Role PM that storyteller released at the start of the game. It's a null tell, he could have copied it from his PM as Town or copied it from the template as third-party/scum. Either way, he's a creepy old man.
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Sept 23, 2008 4:27:53 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 23, 2008 4:27:53 GMT -5
Doh! Forgot about the template. I'll vote Molefan again, unless the names his character or someone else acts more suspicious. I still can't help but wonder that some people are awfully quiet.
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Sept 23, 2008 6:34:53 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 23, 2008 6:34:53 GMT -5
I still can't help but wonder that some people are awfully quiet. Happens frequently. Frequency of posts is typically a null tell. For a while some were postulating that scum or 3rd party anti-town would tend to be on the lower end of posts so as not to draw attention to themselves. (Or would post a lot, but mostly fluff.) However, it seems in practice that scum are all over the map when it comes to amount of posts. In gastard mafia, bufftabby and I were among the most prolific posters, and I was scum traitor (well, actually all the scum were scum traitor), and she was anti-town 3rd party. In Doperville on the Straight Dope boards where I was scum, I started out fairly high and then dropped dramatically due to real life getting in the way. Peekercpa was also scum in that one and he probably posted more than half the town combined. So rather than frequency of posting, long-term trends across games in any given players posts are better to look for as tells, and even they amount to little more than a footnote.
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Sept 23, 2008 6:44:58 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 23, 2008 6:44:58 GMT -5
I'm getting seriously annoyed by the Idle-sinjin drama bs. If you actually go back and look at the record you will see that the drama is solely on his part. Actually it was mostly everyone else making a big hooha out of it. Unvote KidV[/color] Vote molefan[/color] How many is that now? As I've said before, I'm always wary of people who have the ability to give out things each Night. Hats, Toys, Tests, Milk (although that was in the Day and not Night)...strikes me as more of a scum power role than Town. Or, at the very least, PFK.
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Sept 23, 2008 6:46:15 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 23, 2008 6:46:15 GMT -5
At least he's honest about his reasons for voting for Sinjin, though.
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Sept 23, 2008 7:08:39 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 23, 2008 7:08:39 GMT -5
UATU FORGOT WHAT A PAIN IN THE NECK VOTE COUNTS CAN BE
MEANWHILE, YOU ARE CURRENTLY VOTING TO KILL THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE:
molefan1981 (8) - Pleonast; Darth Sensitive; Chucara; Kid Vermicious; CatinaSuit; peekercpa; Boozahol Squid, PI; Idle Thoughts; sinjin (3) - misterblockey; bufftabby; FDrHoD Pleonast (1) - molefan1981
THE CURRENT DAY WILL END PROMPTLY ON THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 25, AT 9:00AM, UNLESS IT ENDS BEFORE THEN BY ANY MEANS.
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Sept 23, 2008 7:09:34 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 23, 2008 7:09:34 GMT -5
Actually it was mostly everyone else making a big hooha out of it. IDLE SAID "A BIG HOOHA." UATU IS AMUSED, BECAUSE UATU IS FIVE.
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