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Sept 22, 2008 15:27:05 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 22, 2008 15:27:05 GMT -5
I don't see why not. I was asked.
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Sept 22, 2008 15:29:10 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 22, 2008 15:29:10 GMT -5
Okay, how's this? Ignore that post:
If I had been scum, then yes, I would have said I was scum from the get go and let you all do with me what you will (and since it's likely I would have been voted off the first Day). Seriously, believe it or not, but you'll never know now since I'm not scum.
Any other questions?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 15:40:57 GMT -5
Post by Creepy Doll on Sept 22, 2008 15:40:57 GMT -5
Leave Idle Thoughts alone, he is definately not scum!
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Sept 22, 2008 15:41:27 GMT -5
Post by Creepy Doll on Sept 22, 2008 15:41:27 GMT -5
You big meanies, Idle Thoughts is not scum, in fact he's such a sweet guy and my lover...
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Sept 22, 2008 15:42:09 GMT -5
Post by Creepy Doll on Sept 22, 2008 15:42:09 GMT -5
Idle Thoughts is innocent...and this, by the way, is DEFINTELY NOT Idle Thoughts, himself...no, no..perish the through.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 15:43:09 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 22, 2008 15:43:09 GMT -5
Through? Yeah.. I meant thought.
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Sept 22, 2008 15:44:46 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Sept 22, 2008 15:44:46 GMT -5
Idle, What would have your early play been like if you were scum and didn't really want to play at that point? That would have been a non-issue since I only agreed to Kat that I'd play if I wasn't scum. Okay, As soon as you get Kat to confirm that I'll be good to go. Here is my problem. You present a reasonable (relatively speaking) course of action for a town player who didn't originally want to play, but now is willing to. I can see you, as town doing something like that. But doesn't mean you must be town. I must also consider the possibility of you being scum. If you think that in an unreasonable consideration, then you are playing the wrong game. And you know what, your actions make perfect sense as a scum too. Just because one rationalle makes sense doesn't make it true, no matter how large a font size you wish to use. You need to convince us not only that a town member would do what you did. You need to convince us that a scum would not.
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Sept 22, 2008 15:45:30 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Sept 22, 2008 15:45:30 GMT -5
*cunt punts Creepy Doll*
So much for not having silly (but fun once and once only) items and Creepy Dolls.
Fuck.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 15:49:45 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Sept 22, 2008 15:49:45 GMT -5
Okay, how's this? Ignore that post: If I had been scum, then yes, I would have said I was scum from the get go and let you all do with me what you will (and since it's likely I would have been voted off the first Day). Seriously, believe it or not, but you'll never know now since I'm not scum. Any other questions? That is good enough for me for now. I'm going to consider your actions thus far a null tell. If you are a doctor though, please try to avoid being mod killed. unvote Idle[/b]
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Sept 22, 2008 15:57:47 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 22, 2008 15:57:47 GMT -5
I must also consider the possibility of you being scum. If you think that in an unreasonable consideration, then you are playing the wrong game. Why would I think that was unreasonble? I have played in seven or eight games, yanno. It's fine if you still hold that possibility out, I don't care. It's even fine if you straight out don't even believe me (a la SINJIN). I just hope that those that ever vote for me, at the very least, do it just because they don't believe me/find me suspicious and not because "well, he didn't want to play" or "well, he's being annoying with large fonts and creepy dolls" because I really am a Doctor so anyone who REALLY is Town is going to have to decide whether they want to kill off a teammate or not. Course, they don't KNOW that that's the choice right now but they will if I ever am lynched or killed.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 16:01:33 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 22, 2008 16:01:33 GMT -5
You big meanies, Idle Thoughts is not scum, in fact he's such a sweet guy and my lover... Idle, dude...sleeping with the creepy doll? I thought you had standards. In other news, I am not voting for you. But I am asking you to shape up an not be so intentionally distracting. You know what I am talking about, so cut it out. If you actually are town just ignore the people questioning you. I don't think anyone doesn't get your position at this point. Seven pages and 90% of it is yelling about Idle. I thought we had an SOP about role claims. The rest is just noise. Sheesh. A couple of people pinged me a bit in my read, but the only one I want to talk about right now is mole, because I don't know about him. It isn't so much that he pinged me as scum but that he pinged me as acting WAY out of character, so, which doesn't mean scum but does mean I want to find out what is going on. So, some questions mole. Prelim Question: IMO half claims are far worse than either a full claim or no claim. What do you think, and why? Question: do you hate shoes? Pick one: 1. yes 2. no Question 2: Do you know the first rule of Fight Club? How about the second? Question 3: Is your character in fact left handed? And can you get Zeriel to remind me what Mr. Left Handed Guy had to do with candy? I don't recall that. Question 4: Had it occured to you to try and look up your character on Wiki or Google? If it did, what did you find? If it did not, why not? Don't you want to know about the role you were assigned? Ok, that's all for now.
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Sept 22, 2008 16:18:35 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 22, 2008 16:18:35 GMT -5
Just a quick thought that popped into my head.. I still think there is something fishy about Idle.. Is there a chance he role claimed to get a counter claim from the real doc? I mean.. He might be sacrificing himself to point out a power role for the scum?
Just a thought.. Still keeping my vote on mole.,
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 16:22:26 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 22, 2008 16:22:26 GMT -5
Just a quick thought that popped into my head.. I still think there is something fishy about Idle.. Is there a chance he role claimed to get a counter claim from the real doc? I mean.. He might be sacrificing himself to point out a power role for the scum? Just a thought.. Still keeping my vote on mole., Totally possible. But not something we can know at this juncture. Wait and see and be sceptical is generally the best response to early power role claims.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 16:36:48 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 22, 2008 16:36:48 GMT -5
UATU NOTES:
CREEPY DOLL POSTS ARE NOT AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE GAME, AND NOT GENERATED BY ANY IN-GAME MECHANIC.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 16:40:02 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 22, 2008 16:40:02 GMT -5
I tried to make that clear when I posted those posts. : p It was just me kidding around, people, for anyone not knowing. Trying to have some fun/shed some light heartedness on the situation. I'll cease and desist using it now, though.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 16:47:00 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 22, 2008 16:47:00 GMT -5
Of course, if Hoopy is right and molefan1981 is giving out candy, I would like to know how he knew about it in the first place? Knew? Hardly. Provided molefan's not making it all up, it's called a lucky and educated guess. Didn't you ever go to kindergarten? FTR, molefan, I don't accept candy from strangers.
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Sept 22, 2008 16:48:28 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Sept 22, 2008 16:48:28 GMT -5
I tried to make that clear when I posted those posts. : p It was just me kidding around, people, for anyone not knowing. Trying to have some fun/shed some light heartedness on the situation. I'll cease and desist using it now, though. Wait.. I don't get it. The Creepy dolls specifically said it was NOT you. And now you're saying that you are the creepy doll? What manner of trickery is this? (j/k btw.)
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 16:57:24 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 22, 2008 16:57:24 GMT -5
NAF, one of Mr. Sinister's identities involved an orphanage that was a front for experiments on creating/suppressing mutant powers in children, including at least one point where he was bringing in street urchins by luring them with candy.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 17:01:37 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 22, 2008 17:01:37 GMT -5
NAF, one of Mr. Sinister's identities involved an orphanage that was a front for experiments on creating/suppressing mutant powers in children, including at least one point where he was bringing in street urchins by luring them with candy. I have been outgeeked. I thought I knew all the Sinister storylines better than that, but I have no memory of that one. Nicely played sir. Is that a Claremont storyline?
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Sept 22, 2008 17:08:23 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 22, 2008 17:08:23 GMT -5
NAF, one of Mr. Sinister's identities involved an orphanage that was a front for experiments on creating/suppressing mutant powers in children, including at least one point where he was bringing in street urchins by luring them with candy. I noticed in the wiki article that "He also has the ability to establish mental blocks in the minds of others", lending credence to the possibility that the candy blocks powers.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 19:19:30 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 19:19:30 GMT -5
Wow, another first round kill. Great. Firstly, nobody's mentioned my title here by name (unless I've missed it.) Secondly, you remember what I said about my role being PROVABLE??!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WAIT AND SEE IF SOMEBODY RECEIVES A LOLLIPOP AT DAWN TOMORROW.If they do, bingo, my role is proven. My ALIGNMENT isn't proven, but AFAICS the whole case against me is that I'm lying about my role. If I'm NOT lying about my role, there is no case. Two other points have been made. The one by Santo I've answered. The other concerns Hoopy. I don't know how Hoopy knew about the candy. Maybe it was because I was playing the part of a pervy old man who gives candy to kids because, gee, I AM playing a pervy old man who gives candy to kids. Or maybe Hoopy has a list of roles like the Riddler did in "Batman". Personally I'd put it down to a lucky guess. And it's convenient that in all this fuss over my (relatively minor) roleclaim, everybody's forgotten the Idle-Sinjin drama. Thing is, while I still think the idea of voting out a confirmed doctor is a terrible one, it seems to me that Sinjin's attacked him for very little reason and keeps on doing so. That reminds me of DrainBead and Diggit, or Idle and Santo, last game. Both DrainBead and Idle were scum. So that being said, and for reasons of self-preservation (which BTW is my reason for role-claiming in the first place), vote Sinjin.
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Sept 22, 2008 19:20:39 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 19:20:39 GMT -5
NAF, one of Mr. Sinister's identities involved an orphanage that was a front for experiments on creating/suppressing mutant powers in children, including at least one point where he was bringing in street urchins by luring them with candy. I noticed in the wiki article that "He also has the ability to establish mental blocks in the minds of others", lending credence to the possibility that the candy blocks powers. I will tell you right now that I'm NOT Mr Sinister.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 19:24:22 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 22, 2008 19:24:22 GMT -5
Boy am I going to regret this if Molefan is scum, but I really think we should hold off on lynching him. I've already agreed to try the candy and I'll report back on what happens. At least one part of his role will be mod-confirmed in the morning, supposedly, and my curiosity has gotten the better of me.
However, if you all want to kill Molefan I will get behind it if necessary to start the countdown. I have no real reason to keep him alive than I am curious about his role and I think he might be telling the truth.
--FCOD
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 19:41:03 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 19:41:03 GMT -5
Wow, another first round kill. Great. Firstly, nobody's mentioned my title here by name (unless I've missed it.) Secondly, you remember what I said about my role being PROVABLE??!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WAIT AND SEE IF SOMEBODY RECEIVES A LOLLIPOP AT DAWN TOMORROW.If they do, bingo, my role is proven. My ALIGNMENT isn't proven, but AFAICS the whole case against me is that I'm lying about my role. If I'm NOT lying about my role, there is no case. Two other points have been made. The one by Santo I've answered. The other concerns Hoopy. I don't know how Hoopy knew about the candy. Maybe it was because I was playing the part of a pervy old man who gives candy to kids because, gee, I AM playing a pervy old man who gives candy to kids. Or maybe Hoopy has a list of roles like the Riddler did in "Batman". Personally I'd put it down to a lucky guess. And it's convenient that in all this fuss over my (relatively minor) roleclaim, everybody's forgotten the Idle-Sinjin drama. Thing is, while I still think the idea of voting out a confirmed doctor is a terrible one, it seems to me that Sinjin's attacked him for very little reason and keeps on doing so. That reminds me of DrainBead and Diggit, or Idle and Santo, last game. Both DrainBead and Idle were scum. So that being said, and for reasons of self-preservation (which BTW is my reason for role-claiming in the first place), vote Sinjin. Quoting to get all of my points in order. I don't KNOW what effect the candy has. However, since it's a power that I have to use at night, and I'm town, I'd rule out a negative one. Therefore I can say that either: 1) The candy has a positive effect on anybody who receives it, regardless of their alignment. 2) The candy has a positive effect on a town player but no effect at all on PFK'S, scum, or both. 3) The candy has no effect whatsoever on anybody. I'm leaning towards (3) with a healthy dollop of (1) mixed in. I doubt it's (2). You don't put a role like mine into a game to unbalance it by having it only work on townies. Personally I think the candy is like the marshmallows in the last game - a big distraction for what is essentially a fake role given to what is essentially a vanilla townie. Right now it seems to be working. And once again, I'm not Mr Sinister. I've never heard of my own character (or Mr Sinister come to that) but he isn't me. Nor by the way do I have any roleblocking power (as I've specifically said) and I certainly don't believe that my candy would block anybody who ate it. If that were the case, and I knew it, I'd hardly admit to it on the first day! So there seem to be three conflicting viewpoints: 1) That I'm town, and telling the truth. (This one is correct.) 2) That I'm scum or malicious PFK, and lying about my role. In which case, all you need to do is wait and see what happens on day 2. If anybody has candy, you've got your confirmation right there. 3) That I'm scum or malicious PFK, and telling the truth about my role. If that's the case though, why would I admit to it? If this candy does something nasty to whoever eats it, you'll know exactly who sent it and you can lynch me for having an anti-town power. If I'd kept quiet, you wouldn't have the faintest idea. So why admit to a power that everybody would know would be damaging? So whatever you think of me, you have to agree that (3) makes no sense whatsoever, and (2) can be eliminated by confirming that a player received candy from me N1. Therefore, your best play is NOT to lynch me until you have more information, which I am guaranteeing you will have on day two. Oh, and a big FOS on anybody who's said that because I'm not claiming a power role I'm "safe" to lynch. Erm... if I'm a townie, I'm NOT "safe" to lynch. Not at all. So let's say I am town. Based on that, when night falls we lose whoever is night-killed (most likely two people depending on the scum / SK ratio), plus myself to the lynch, when we could have taken out a malicious PFK or scum player. So in the worst case scenario, which is most likely true unless we get lucky and the PFKs or scum target each other, you're talking about three townies killed before day two starts. Now in what alternative universe is that a desirable outcome, unless you want to see the townies dead?
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Sept 22, 2008 19:42:08 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 22, 2008 19:42:08 GMT -5
Wow, another first round kill. Great. Firstly, nobody's mentioned my title here by name (unless I've missed it.) Secondly, you remember what I said about my role being PROVABLE??!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WAIT AND SEE IF SOMEBODY RECEIVES A LOLLIPOP AT DAWN TOMORROW.If they do, bingo, my role is proven. My ALIGNMENT isn't proven, but AFAICS the whole case against me is that I'm lying about my role. If I'm NOT lying about my role, there is no case. My case against you assumes you are telling the truth about your role, to the extent that you've described it. I don't care if someone gets candy from you. My point was that your claimed power is useless by your own admission. Combine that with your half claim and continued refusal to reveal your name, adds up to 1) a suspicious claim, making you a good candidate to lynch, and 2) a worthless power, making you a low-risk lynch, even if you are Town. You haven't given any reasons not to lynch you. Why should the Town keep you around, when you don't make a complete claim, and when your powers aren't useful?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 19:47:10 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 22, 2008 19:47:10 GMT -5
3) That I'm scum or malicious PFK, and telling the truth about my role. If that's the case though, why would I admit to it? If this candy does something nasty to whoever eats it, you'll know exactly who sent it and you can lynch me for having an anti-town power. If I'd kept quiet, you wouldn't have the faintest idea. So why admit to a power that everybody would know would be damaging? Or, the candy does nothing harmful to the taker, but advances your non-Town victory condition. You announced it because you need people to accept it.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 20:33:57 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 22, 2008 20:33:57 GMT -5
Secondly, you remember what I said about my role being PROVABLE??!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WAIT AND SEE IF SOMEBODY RECEIVES A LOLLIPOP AT DAWN TOMORROW.If they do, bingo, my role is proven. My ALIGNMENT isn't proven, but AFAICS the whole case against me is that I'm lying about my role. If I'm NOT lying about my role, there is no case. Point of fact we have to wait to see if FCOD receives a lollipop, not a generic somebody. This in no way proves your role. You and FCOD may be working together. It's just another big old glass of WIFOM until we know the alignment of one or the other of you. I'm getting seriously annoyed by the Idle-sinjin drama bs. If you actually go back and look at the record you will see that the drama is solely on his part. This is only my 6th post in the entire game. For a synopsis of my posts in the drama including links please see My POST #4. I urge all town members to actually look at my posts and the posts to which I was replying. Nice.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 21:22:10 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 22, 2008 21:22:10 GMT -5
So, molefan, why are you afraid to give out your name?
Or are you forbidden from saying why?
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 21:27:42 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 22, 2008 21:27:42 GMT -5
Cripes this moves quick. Couple of observations.
I was the one who posted the story fake post. Was just fucking around. I pm'ed him and offered a mod kill but was declined. Thought it was interesting. Good job Holmes on tracking the IP addresses. Sure you don't want to claim detec rather than doc?
It also nice to see that NAF has become peekerpatory. It's nice to have an extra set of hands stirring the pot.
Also, my secret power has something to do with giving immunity to some sort of disease (sorry, ain't going back to my PM just yet). I'd stay away from the candy.
Vote Moley.
The horsemen of the Apacolypse are definitely riding in this game. I just wouldn't willy nilly trust their alignment.
And this from a soul who didn't know shit about this until a couple of days ago.
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Day One
Sept 22, 2008 21:42:38 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 22, 2008 21:42:38 GMT -5
3) That I'm scum or malicious PFK, and telling the truth about my role. If that's the case though, why would I admit to it? If this candy does something nasty to whoever eats it, you'll know exactly who sent it and you can lynch me for having an anti-town power. If I'd kept quiet, you wouldn't have the faintest idea. So why admit to a power that everybody would know would be damaging? Or, the candy does nothing harmful to the taker, but advances your non-Town victory condition. You announced it because you need people to accept it. FOS Pleonast, for not even reading my post with enough attention to get the point of it. Firstly, I make a good case as to why lynching me at this point is a bad move - namely, that lynching a townie rather than a scum or PFK at this point seriously hurts our odds of winning this thing. You've not even tried to answer this. Secondly, with regard to my power - "the candy does nothing harmful to the taker but advances the non-town victory condition" - are you serious? Do you realise how far you're trying to stretch this? You're trying to say that the candy somehow affects the town cause but not the person who actually eats it? How on earth is that supposed to happen? This isn't the Mad Hatter's hats or Bufftabby's lolkat thrall or something, IT'S CANDY. It's a frikkin' lollipop! Assuming for the moment it exists (which your logic does and which will be provably true come day two, provided I haven't been lynched, night-killed or roleblocked by then), what the heck do you think one lollipop given to one person could possibly do to the entire town cause as a whole? Pleo, you seem quite determined to add to the case against me, despite the fact that your logic stinks. For that reason, unvote Sinjin and vote Pleonast.
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