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Day One
Jul 27, 2007 12:58:16 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2007 12:58:16 GMT -5
19 players in this game. So far 10 have cast votes.
drainbead (3) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine GreedySmurf (3) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera dnooman (2) - Hockey Monkey, cowgirl JSexton (1) - Malacandra Mhaye (1) - kat
Day ends in 26 hours.
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Jul 27, 2007 13:00:44 GMT -5
Post by capybara on Jul 27, 2007 13:00:44 GMT -5
Mmmmm, I'm not getting the Greedy hate and accumulation of votes-- none of these 'noob scum' slips seem much different from 'noob town' slips.
For example, I really can't see noob scum asking about a no-lynch possibility. It's anti-town, but one only realizes that after quite a bit of thought. The first day a new player not knowing what's happening and not wanting a townie lynched would come up with such a question. Scum, OTOH, I don't see having any problem with an uninformed lynch, because even a noob scum could see that it's most likely that town gets strung up, and an extra death to scum advantage. Such a question wouldn't occur. . . unless they were coached to ask a town-style question.
Noob scum will be hyper aware of how the posts look, but so will noob town, especially after being voted for on account of mis-phrasing or poor choice of questions. It's a bit of a shock to get your first votes when you know you're innocent and haven't said anything untrue. Smurf may indeed be scum, but I think these tells are too generic to point to it.
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Jul 27, 2007 13:01:02 GMT -5
Post by Malacandra on Jul 27, 2007 13:01:02 GMT -5
Still no sign of dnooman, huh? I'm sure there's an innocent reason, but let's turn up the gas a notch. Unvote JSexton. Vote dnooman[/color].
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Jul 27, 2007 13:01:54 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2007 13:01:54 GMT -5
drainbead (3) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine GreedySmurf (3) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera dnooman (3) - Hockey Monkey, cowgirl, Malacandra Mhaye (1) - kat
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Jul 27, 2007 13:16:10 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 27, 2007 13:16:10 GMT -5
The thing that i'm thinking about right now is that if one of us did happen to strike gold and start voting for a scum on day one to get 1-2 votes against him. The rest of the scum will CERTAINLY not bandwagon so early against him. It's day one. Therefore they're probably more likely to just create other targets to disguise the scummy voter (A shell game of sorts). That's why I feel i must disagree w/ DrainBead's earlier claim above where they state that 3 townies maybe on the block. I feel its more the case of 2 townies and one scum. Because its day one and the votes don't really have much to go on, the Scum can easily create a bandwagon w/ just one of them, and if 2-3 of them split themselves up between targets, it makes it nearly impossible to lynch the True scum. That's at least how i started feeling with JSexton's voting of GreedySmurf. Because suddenly a new bandwagon was created alongside this one. As was the Dnooman one (even if it has only 2, this early its a risk). So now I'm thinking that maybe I'm on the right wagon, or am i on the wrong wagon? It seems that the Scum [and actually... while typing this out, i'm realizing, the Genius would do the same thing if one of them was on the block] would want to deflect votes away from the true scum on teh block by creating more heads to go up there.
So now i'm looking at Jsexton's reasonings, and they're quite good. But it goes on accounts of "newbieness" tells of scum. And while it could be right, I'm just not sure if it's a great reason for lynching the guy. It's valid points, but I don't think it's as valid as the one's Storyteller used against Drainbead (which i felt were much better worded than my initial accusations... "philosophically speaking" indeed!)
But Dnooman's accusations seem the least "real" and drainbead's attempt to reharsh the idea of someone posting for dnooman seem useless and a futile arguement to go on. It doesn't really seem like discussing who was trying to be an imitator of dnooman would lead to anything productive, since almost any of us could be suspects for that. It'd just muddy the waters. Which makes me more confident in my vote against you, DrainBead.
But conversly to what I just said, I might be on the wrong side, maybe GreedySmurf is the true scum, and I'm on the wrong bandwagon. But it was a wagon started by JSexton and it was one that quickly got a lot of votes, which makes me suspicious still. Therefore I will stay on my voting of DrainBead with an eye on which person voted for which wagon. Because i doubt if Drain's scum, any scum will have voted for him this early. they'll prolly be backing the other 2 wagons.... Which is what maybe happening to Greedy. Or maybe Greedy's scum and i'm on the wrong wagon bakcing the wrong guy.... But in the end, i think Hal and storyteller's quotes in Reply #266 carry the best weight.
Vote for who YOU think is most likely to be scum.... That certainly seems the best idea. But don't not vote simply to avoid a bandwagoning, because that's what the scum will need to avoid voting out thier own. Only a bandwagon vote can kill a scum on day 1.
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Jul 27, 2007 13:22:26 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl on Jul 27, 2007 13:22:26 GMT -5
Storyteller
(formatted this way because the quote function appears to be moody)
I don't think we have any disagreement.
I haven't the slightest idea who is scum. I am slightly suspicious of GreedySmurf but I don't know if I can trust he who first laid out the argument against him (Blaster Master?), and I am not convinced enough to be worth the risk of following a scum. But we'll see how the day winds down.
Everyone else is acting nice and towny.
The only other person I have reason to vote for is dnooman and that reason is not to avoid bandwagons, it is to get him out here and posting.
I'm just reminding folks to be wary of bandwagons at this point. It's easy on the first day to say "Well I can't make head nor tail of what's going on; nobody looks particularly scummy; I don't entirely understand/agree with the arguments against [leading vote-getter] but I'm probably missing something so I'll vote for [leading vote-getter] too."
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Jul 27, 2007 13:23:47 GMT -5
Post by diggitcamara on Jul 27, 2007 13:23:47 GMT -5
I have a really bad feeling that all three of our leading vote getters are town--I know my own role, of course, and I'm pretty sure that Greedy Smurf's errors are more the mistakes of newbie town than scum. I'm not sure about dnooman, but only because we've been given very little to go on there. I don't necessarily think Lynch all Lurkers is a good plan this early in the game, but then again, what is? What I would like to see us discuss a bit is the fake dnooman guest post. Why was dnooman the one targeted, and do we think it was scum setting something up, or just some jackass messing with us? I'm really not sure what to think of it, and that's why I'm leaning toward dnooman being town as well. This post makes no sense whatsoever. It's way too cheap (and seems like cheating) for it to be a scum gambit to set dnooman up to look like a power role to gain the trust of the town. But why would someone come in and randomly disrupt the game by pretending to be someone who turned out to be one of the lurkers so far? It just doesn't make any sense one way or the other. I'm thinking right now that the scum are people who are not sticking their necks out, but not outright lurking either. They're posting a moderate amount, agreeing with the vocal townies who have fingered other townies, but not really providing much of substance. I'm going to give the thread a re-read and see if any names jump out at me. dnooman's reaction to this seems to have been to: 1. acknowledge it was fake 2. State he thought he knew who posted it Sounds to me like it was a prank ( Hal Briston-style, even if it was with another account) of someone in his social circle who knew about the game and wanted to mess with him.
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Jul 27, 2007 13:43:34 GMT -5
Post by JSexton on Jul 27, 2007 13:43:34 GMT -5
The thing that i'm thinking about right now is that if one of us did happen to strike gold and start voting for a scum on day one to get 1-2 votes against him. The rest of the scum will CERTAINLY not bandwagon so early against him. It's day one. Therefore they're probably more likely to just create other targets to disguise the scummy voter (A shell game of sorts). That's why I feel i must disagree w/ DrainBead's earlier claim above where they state that 3 townies maybe on the block. I feel its more the case of 2 townies and one scum. Because its day one and the votes don't really have much to go on, the Scum can easily create a bandwagon w/ just one of them, and if 2-3 of them split themselves up between targets, it makes it nearly impossible to lynch the True scum. That's at least how i started feeling with JSexton's voting of GreedySmurf. Because suddenly a new bandwagon was created alongside this one. As was the Dnooman one (even if it has only 2, this early its a risk). So now I'm thinking that maybe I'm on the right wagon, or am i on the wrong wagon? It seems that the Scum [and actually... while typing this out, i'm realizing, the Genius would do the same thing if one of them was on the block] would want to deflect votes away from the true scum on teh block by creating more heads to go up there. So now i'm looking at Jsexton's reasonings, and they're quite good. But it goes on accounts of "newbieness" tells of scum. And while it could be right, I'm just not sure if it's a great reason for lynching the guy. It's valid points, but I don't think it's as valid as the one's Storyteller used against Drainbead (which i felt were much better worded than my initial accusations... "philosophically speaking" indeed!) But Dnooman's accusations seem the least "real" and drainbead's attempt to reharsh the idea of someone posting for dnooman seem useless and a futile arguement to go on. It doesn't really seem like discussing who was trying to be an imitator of dnooman would lead to anything productive, since almost any of us could be suspects for that. It'd just muddy the waters. Which makes me more confident in my vote against you, DrainBead. But conversly to what I just said, I might be on the wrong side, maybe GreedySmurf is the true scum, and I'm on the wrong bandwagon. But it was a wagon started by JSexton and it was one that quickly got a lot of votes, which makes me suspicious still. Therefore I will stay on my voting of DrainBead with an eye on which person voted for which wagon. Because i doubt if Drain's scum, any scum will have voted for him this early. they'll prolly be backing the other 2 wagons.... Which is what maybe happening to Greedy. Or maybe Greedy's scum and i'm on the wrong wagon bakcing the wrong guy.... But in the end, i think Hal and storyteller's quotes in Reply #266 carry the best weight. Vote for who YOU think is most likely to be scum.... That certainly seems the best idea. But don't not vote simply to avoid a bandwagoning, because that's what the scum will need to avoid voting out thier own. Only a bandwagon vote can kill a scum on day 1. Roosh, I, I...what? I really have no idea what you're saying here.
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Jul 27, 2007 13:50:51 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jul 27, 2007 13:50:51 GMT -5
I have a really bad feeling that all three of our leading vote getters are town--I know my own role, of course, and I'm pretty sure that Greedy Smurf's errors are more the mistakes of newbie town than scum. I'm not sure about dnooman, but only because we've been given very little to go on there. I don't necessarily think Lynch all Lurkers is a good plan this early in the game, but then again, what is? There's a bit of a contradiction here. Early bandwagons tend to form on the vocal. (see mafa 2 on SDMB) If you think them to be town, then going after lurkers is the right play. I'm honestly pretty clueless at the moment, except for that I think that neither of the two extremes are jumping out to me as being particularly scummy. It could just be that I don't have much to go on with the lurkers, but I don't think that on the first Day, we should lynch someone just because they haven't been vocal. I'm also not sure that lynching lurkers is the "right play" if you think the bandwagons are on vocal town. There's a whole spectrum in between to look at as well. Whether or not dnooman is lurking, he's not in here voting or influencing the bandwagons much either. The people who are involved with the wagons concern me more than the lurkers who haven't even voted yet, at least on Day One.
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Jul 27, 2007 13:51:31 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 27, 2007 13:51:31 GMT -5
Okay, I've really only focused my attention on the top three vote getters, and I've already posted my thoughts on Greedy Smurf. OTOH, I see dnooman is up there, and I'm thoroughly confused. IIRC, Hockey Monkey said she was doing it because he was lurking, and it seems to be similar reasoning from Malacandra. So now we're lynching lurkers on Day one? Hell, he only even got brought up because of a fake post that was either SUPER scummy of someone to frame him, or a just a bad joke either of which would seem to make him look LESS insane--- and FTR, if he IS meta-gaming like that, that's super-duper scummy! I'm gonna focus on drainbead for a bit, and see what I come up with.
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Jul 27, 2007 13:59:00 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 27, 2007 13:59:00 GMT -5
Still no sign of dnooman, huh? I'm sure there's an innocent reason, but let's turn up the gas a notch. Unvote JSexton. Vote dnooman[/color].[/quote] Me no likey. Unvote dnooman. I'm not sure why Malacandra feels he needs to turn up the heat and create a 3 way tie. As I said before, my only reason for voting dnooman was to get him to talk and I would change that if something more compelling came along. So I'm changing. There was no reason for Malacandra to add to the pile here. Vote Malacandra.
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Jul 27, 2007 14:01:27 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2007 14:01:27 GMT -5
drainbead (3) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine GreedySmurf (3) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera dnooman (2) - cowgirl, Malacandra Mhaye (1) - kat Malacandra (1) - hockeymonkey
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Jul 27, 2007 14:14:02 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 27, 2007 14:14:02 GMT -5
Okay, I've really only focused my attention on the top three vote getters, and I've already posted my thoughts on Greedy Smurf. OTOH, I see dnooman is up there, and I'm thoroughly confused. IIRC, Hockey Monkey said she was doing it because he was lurking, and it seems to be similar reasoning from Malacandra. So now we're lynching lurkers on Day one? Hell, he only even got brought up because of a fake post that was either SUPER scummy of someone to frame him, or a just a bad joke either of which would seem to make him look LESS insane--- and FTR, if he IS meta-gaming like that, that's super-duper scummy! snip
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Jul 27, 2007 14:20:39 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 27, 2007 14:20:39 GMT -5
Okay, I don't have much on drainbead, but here's a couple things that stuck out to me. Post 1.64: I'm a bit of a noob, but in my limited experience with these kind of games, Day 1 is generally a crapshoot. I've only seen one Day 1 scum hit, and it was in the first Werewolf game on the SDMB. We're all flying blind here. In the end, all we can do at first is random vote and discuss strategy, and see where things go from there. It's annoying, and the same issues get rehashed every game (with some added debates based on game-specific roles, of course), but it needs to happen for the townies to have any chance of nabbing scum. And even then, the odds are stacked against us, but the only way we can learn is by talking and voting. Though she does point out newbiness, which I still tend to think isn't a scum tell, just a newbie tell. What gets me here is the phrasing of the next to last sentence, namely saying "the townies". I can see saying the town in a collective sense, but saying "the townies" seems like an unintended mental separation. Post 1.264 I have a really bad feeling that all three of our leading vote getters are town--I know my own role, of course, and I'm pretty sure that Greedy Smurf's errors are more the mistakes of newbie town than scum. I'm not sure about dnooman, but only because we've been given very little to go on there. I don't necessarily think Lynch all Lurkers is a good plan this early in the game, but then again, what is? What I would like to see us discuss a bit is the fake dnooman guest post. Why was dnooman the one targeted, and do we think it was scum setting something up, or just some jackass messing with us? I'm really not sure what to think of it, and that's why I'm leaning toward dnooman being town as well. This post makes no sense whatsoever. It's way too cheap (and seems like cheating) for it to be a scum gambit to set dnooman up to look like a power role to gain the trust of the town. But why would someone come in and randomly disrupt the game by pretending to be someone who turned out to be one of the lurkers so far? It just doesn't make any sense one way or the other. I'm thinking right now that the scum are people who are not sticking their necks out, but not outright lurking either. They're posting a moderate amount, agreeing with the vocal townies who have fingered other townies, but not really providing much of substance. I'm going to give the thread a re-read and see if any names jump out at me. First of all, she leads off with a quick "BTW, we're all townies", which subtlely seems to suggest that when we lynch one of the others and find them to be town, we should clump her in with them. Then she quickly goes on to bring attention to dnooman as thinking he's town. What's REALLY odd is that up to that point, both of the people who had voted for him, voted for him because he wasn't posting, and the leaders were her and Greedy Smurf (who'd quickly had a couple votes to tie him up) then soon after this post, Malacandra comes in and puts ANOTHER vote on dnooman. This to me makes it look like the votes against dnooman are fabricated to protect either Greedy Smurf or drainbead. To me, this "thinking dnooman is town" bit seems like she's saying it so that after this vote fabrication makes him die and show up as a townie, she can go "Look! I told you so!" So on that note, while this argument also lends a lot of weight to the one against Greedy Smurf that JSexton put forth, especially in light of the timing... soon after he got into a tie the third vote was cast to three-way tie it. So I'm inclined to think there's also a scum on the dnooman train, but since that's a 1/3 shot, I'll just go ahead and tenatively Vote drainbead with the reservation that I might unvote and vote for one of those three if I can find better evidence there.
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Jul 27, 2007 14:23:43 GMT -5
Post by Blaster Master on Jul 27, 2007 14:23:43 GMT -5
I never said I wanted to lynch lurkers. I never expected to keep my vote on dnooman...I've said that several times. My understanding was that you did it to get him to post, right? What makes those voting for him see odd, is... does it take THREE people to vote for him for not posting? I can understand your vote, and find it the least suspicious of the three because it's easier for scum to build a bandwagon when there's already votes there. However, cowgirl and Malacandra both picked the same reason, and jumped on to create a three-way tie. I find both of them a LOT more suspicious than you and this point.
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Jul 27, 2007 14:30:44 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 27, 2007 14:30:44 GMT -5
I never said I wanted to lynch lurkers. I never expected to keep my vote on dnooman...I've said that several times. My understanding was that you did it to get him to post, right? What makes those voting for him see odd, is... does it take THREE people to vote for him for not posting? I can understand your vote, and find it the least suspicious of the three because it's easier for scum to build a bandwagon when there's already votes there. However, cowgirl and Malacandra both picked the same reason, and jumped on to create a three-way tie. I find both of them a LOT more suspicious than you and this point. That's why a red flag went up when Malacandra voted him. I switched because of this.
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Jul 27, 2007 14:58:55 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl on Jul 27, 2007 14:58:55 GMT -5
It just occurred to me that another reason bandwagons form so easily is because there are so few reasons to think anyone is town that naturally, well-meaning townies would cluster their votes around them. Because the only people who seem scummy to me are the current bandwagon victims. Malacandra's sudden vote for dnooman makes me suspicious too. So I looked back through his postings and they are somewhat infrequent and remarkably content-free, with the exception of the dnooman vote, for which the reason was "to turn the gas up a notch." Which is (as mentioned) about the same reason that I gave for voting for him. But I did it first! For those suspecting me because of my vote for dnooman, please note that I called him out fairly early on for lurking (i.e. yesterday at 2:12 PM EST, before anyone had voted for him) and he's posted only once or twice since then.
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Jul 27, 2007 15:00:47 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Jul 27, 2007 15:00:47 GMT -5
I got the same red flag, and Malacandra fits my other criteria. He's posted a bit, enough to avoid being lumped with the lurkers or the vocals. He jumped on a bandwagon, creating a three-way tie. And I think of all the people who are leading the vote, dnooman has given people the least reasons to vote for him (and sadly, I'm counting myself in that assessment). I'm getting comfortable with a vote for Malacandra as well, and I'd like to hear an explanation as to why he decided voting for a lurker to create a three-way tie is worth it.
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Jul 27, 2007 15:06:39 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2007 15:06:39 GMT -5
12 of 19 have voted.
drainbead (4) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine, Blaster Master GreedySmurf (3) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera dnooman (2) - cowgirl, Malacandra Malacandra (2) - hockeymonkey, drainbead Mhaye (1) - kat
23 hours and 50 minutes left.
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Jul 27, 2007 15:41:46 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl on Jul 27, 2007 15:41:46 GMT -5
I'm not able to post again until tomorrow morning, so I'll get this out of the way now.
unvote dnooman because I'm not interested in lynching someone only for lurking. I wanted to draw him out, I haven't, but there is no real urgency. I am happy to revisit it Tomorrow if the lurking continues ... don't get too comfy, dnoo ...
vote Malacandra because of infrequent (but not TOO infrequent) posts, little content, and joining a lurker bandwagon to make a three-way tie.
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Jul 27, 2007 16:11:12 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 27, 2007 16:11:12 GMT -5
Roosh, I, I...what? I really have no idea what you're saying here. Sorry, I suck at talking. What i was trying to say was what's being hashed out actually after that comment. I was saying of the 3 big vote getters: Dnooman/Drainbead/Greedy that the odds of us picking a townie to lynch were high cuz of the fact that scum would be more likely to nominate others to be voted for and distract us from actually lynching a real scum person. I felt that You JSexton are still scummy to me (having given you a FOS) and that's why I was questioning your nomination of the GreedySmurf vote. Because I didn't like your reasons for nominating him (the basis of his newby scum tells). To me it felt like maybe i had hit the right target if Drainbead was scum that if you were a fellow scum, you'd prolly wanna create another target and get him up there with votes. And thats what i saw happening w/ Greedy, he quickly got 2-3 votes to tie it with Drainbead which i felt is what would happen if i had happen to start a vote vs. scum [Other scum would not defend him, but instead would create other targets to deflect votes towards] However, the votes for Dnooman is an even GREATER example of this case, where his is potentially being lynched for being a not so high poster on the FIRST day! This to me is even scummier, and reeks of the idea of a "deflection target" for scum to detract votes from either Drainbead or GreedySmurf. I believe that either Drainbead or Greedy is potentially scum, while the votes for Dnooman and either Drain/Greedy (whichever isn't scum) probably contains 1-3 scum voters in there.... These are my biggest pools of scum to look for if they are trying to save thier own. Does that kinda help with the 'splainin, JSexton? It's nothing personal and you might actually be voting for scum [in which case mad and storyteller and the rest of the Dnoo voters would be suspicious for deflecting votes off greedy]. But I just don't trust you. Therefore i think, I am actually voting for the scum w/ Drain and that you could be a potential scum trying to protect him..... Make sense?
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Jul 27, 2007 16:48:32 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 27, 2007 16:48:32 GMT -5
snipped However, the votes for Dnooman is an even GREATER example of this case, where his is potentially being lynched for being a not so high poster on the FIRST day! This to me is even scummier, and reeks of the idea of a "deflection target" for scum to detract votes from either Drainbead or GreedySmurf. I believe that either Drainbead or Greedy is potentially scum, while the votes for Dnooman and either Drain/Greedy (whichever isn't scum) probably contains 1-3 scum voters in there.... These are my biggest pools of scum to look for if they are trying to save thier own. Does that kinda help with the 'splainin, JSexton? It's nothing personal and you might actually be voting for scum [in which case mad and storyteller and the rest of the Dnoo voters would be suspicious for deflecting votes off greedy]. But I just don't trust you. Therefore i think, I am actually voting for the scum w/ Drain and that you could be a potential scum trying to protect him..... Make sense? Just one flaw that I see in the arguement that "the rest of the Dnoo voters" were deflecting votes from Greedy. Kat was the first to vote Greedy at post 197 Hockeymonkey (me) voted dnooman at post 210 Kat unvoted Greedy at 225 At that point Greedy had no votes Jsexton voted Greedy at 242 Cowgirl voted Dnooman at 250 Hal Briston voted Greedy at 257 Diggit voted Greedy at 259 Malacandra voted Dnooman to tie it up at 272 I unvoted Dnooman at 280 Cowgirl unvoted Dnooman at 289 The only one I see as a deflection vote is Malacandra's. And that's why he has my vote.
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Jul 27, 2007 16:55:34 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Jul 27, 2007 16:55:34 GMT -5
Oh, fun, the bandwagon has started to build but there's still not all that much in the way of scummy vibes. (And having had experience as a townie who got every post deconstructed for scumtells in another game, I'm suspicious of how effective these detailed analyses can be.)
I'm not a fan of the Lynch All Lurkers strategy, because it's hard to tell whether people really are lurking or just plain unavailable, but since I can't get reads on people who don't post I would definitely rather put my vote on people who haven't said much.
Now that we are getting into some serious, non-random non-silly voting, I'm gonna be using my pointy accusatory finger for the time being. So, FOS capybara for suggesting that we lynch claimed Geniuses--we shouldn't do that unless we think they're lying.
BTW, board mods, does the board record the ISPs of anonymous posters? If so, maybe we can run a trace of who did it.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2007 16:55:39 GMT -5
Post by Greedy Smurf on Jul 27, 2007 16:55:39 GMT -5
Holy Jebus. You get a good nights sleep and look what happens Why do I get the feeling, that if I look over my shoulder I'm going to see a big haywagon barrelling towards me? OK I'm going to have make this good, because I don't get a lot of computer time on the weekend, and I'm probably not going to get to post again before the Day is over. I don't think there's anything I can do to specifically refute JSextons points against me, because the posts are right there and everyone can read them. I can only say I think you are giving me far more credit than I'm due if you think I'm slipping subtle "trust me" cues in there. And I 100% agree that I am hyperaware of posting perception - It is the only thing anyone has to go on, and it seems I went about my attempts to reassure everyone I'm a townie in a ham-fisted way, so much so that I have people thinking I' m a psycho. I don't think I was suggesting a no-lynch by the way, I stated a personal opinion and asked for some discussion about it. Which I might add, thanks to the very enlightning posts by Kat & Nesta, I have changed my mind on. I'm going to have to throw a vote out there, but I'm torn by what to do. In the grand scheme of things I'm not sure how this will read to everyone but I'm being forced to Vote Drainbead. I don't have any specific factual, gut instinct or other reasons for doing so, and I apologise to you in advance Drainbead if you are a fellow towny, but I'm doing it to try and avoid being lynched myself.
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Day One
Jul 27, 2007 16:56:38 GMT -5
Post by JSexton on Jul 27, 2007 16:56:38 GMT -5
Roosh, I, I...what? I really have no idea what you're saying here. Sorry, I suck at talking. What i was trying to say was what's being hashed out actually after that comment. I was saying of the 3 big vote getters: Dnooman/Drainbead/Greedy that the odds of us picking a townie to lynch were high cuz of the fact that scum would be more likely to nominate others to be voted for and distract us from actually lynching a real scum person. <snip> Make sense? Yes, I get you now. I suspect that when the game is over, it will turn out that you are right, and one of those wagons may well have been partially for deflection purposes. But I tihnk it's going to be circular to try and determine which at this point.
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Jul 27, 2007 16:58:32 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 27, 2007 16:58:32 GMT -5
Crap. a Mexican Standoff.
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Jul 27, 2007 17:01:48 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Jul 27, 2007 17:01:48 GMT -5
Yeah actually, I'd like to hear from Malacandra.... Things aren't looking good for him and I'm curious to hear his mind on his 3rd Lurking vote.
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Jul 27, 2007 17:19:00 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 27, 2007 17:19:00 GMT -5
drainbead (5) - storyteller0910, Roosh, Mad The Swine, Blaster Master, GreedySmurf
GreedySmurf (3) - JSexton, Hal Briston, DiggitCamera
Malacandra (3) - hockeymonkey, drainbead, cowgirl
dnooman (1) - Malacandra
Mhaye (1) - kat
The IP on the unlogged post doesn't match any registered users so I have no idea.
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Jul 27, 2007 18:16:12 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jul 27, 2007 18:16:12 GMT -5
Manually putting in the quotes again.
Posted by BlaM
Er...pretty much my point, actually. He's got 3 posts so far, and his contribution can be summed up as: -Grudges are bad.
That's about it. He went from low posting with content to low posting without content.
Posted by JSexton
I was hesitant to bring this up, but you're more right than you might know. Greedy was actually on the "Users Online" list about 30 or 40 minutes before his post went up on the board. The thing is, it could legitimately take someone that long to write a post, if they get interrupted, or are multi-tasking, or are at work and playing the game covertly.
Right now, I can't decide if Greedy is playing like a scum, or just like a newbie, and I'm not ready to move a vote back onto him, although JSexton makes a good case.
I've got the same issue with drainbead, which is why I haven't voted for her. I feel like I'm making too big a deal and being mean to the newbie for overreacting to the joke.
I'm going to wait until morning to make the decision, and if I change my vote, it'll be for Greedy or drainbead...or someone else entirely.
But probably not for Idle Thoughts.
In the meantime: say some stuff, mhaye!#nosignature#
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Jul 27, 2007 18:27:27 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jul 27, 2007 18:27:27 GMT -5
"Some stuff, mhaye." Seriously, so far I've got to page 2 on a full reread. All that's been discussed is the desirability or not of random voting. I don't approve, but I've come to the conclusion that it's a playstyle choice and am not going to regard random voting as a scum tell. Neither will I respond to a random vote, but that's just me. I'll probably do a series of posts. The big problem is how much longer I can stay awake tonight. (It's already 12:30am here). Nightfall is in 20½ hours. Don't worry, I'll have a vote done by then. *Yawns and goes back to his reread.*
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