Merestil Haye
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 6, 2009 18:57:04 GMT -5
That was ... unexpected.
Do you think the Kid is a little aggravated with Santo?
Just a touch?
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Post by special on Jan 6, 2009 20:18:20 GMT -5
Arrrggghhh! Again, Special Ed says: It doesn't have to be that complicated! All you need is (now six) people to VOTE FOR SPECIAL ED. It's hard not to say something in thread cause it's like I just want to smack them over the backs of the heads and say "is nobody realizing this??" It's easy...just all vote for special Ed and ONE person unvote Santos and that does it. Before it was one unvote already ON Santos and four unvotes on Ed. I don't know why nobody realized at that time "hey! Four people vote for Ed and that's all!" that was frustrating, but with AH and TL gone, there weren't enough people around to vote for me. :-( and I made the boneheaded move of voting for Santo early :-( Oh well, the role was tough for me. I had a strong feeling that scum was close to winning (overestimated their numbers) and I was trying to play just scummy enough to avoid a Night kill and not scummy enough to be lynched.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 6, 2009 20:27:50 GMT -5
There was, actually. You were on (and had voted for yourself) so that was a good start. All that was needed was Hoopy, Nanook, KidV and possibly MiteyMouse (or even Cookies or Sinjin hoping to gain some Town cred) to vote for you. It wasn't all on you..I know that. Nanook seemed ready to keep his vote on you no matter what...but in the end, it would have been better for Town to lynch Santo because you're basically a harmless PFK.
Survivors are harmless. That's why I don't understand why you didn't just claim that from the start instead of lying. Most people are willing to give a free pass to survivors as long as they work with Town. I think it was the whole lying thing that got you killed and people less likely to believe you.
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Post by special on Jan 6, 2009 20:40:46 GMT -5
There was, actually. You were on (and had voted for yourself) so that was a good start. All that was needed was Hoopy, Nanook, KidV and possibly MiteyMouse (or even Cookies or Sinjin hoping to gain some Town cred) to vote for you. It wasn't all on you..I know that. Nanook seemed ready to keep his vote on you no matter what...but in the end, it would have been better for Town to lynch Santo because you're basically a harmless PFK. Survivors are harmless. That's why I don't understand why you didn't just claim that from the start instead of lying. Most people are willing to give a free pass to survivors as long as they work with Town. I think it was the whole lying thing that got you killed and people less likely to believe you. My fear in claiming PFK was that I thought the win condition was going to keep rotating. With Chucara and myself as "inconclusive" with a vig around (maybe) as well as 2 lynches (mine on Day 5 and his on Day 6) I thought the town would feel they could win that way. So, I felt my best chance was to claim something akin to a Scotsman, but make it odd like your 'potential" roles. I thought I did well aside from leaving those 2 words out. And I was right, the spinys aren't bombs. I tried to convince everyone that it might be something different, but it seemed everytime I said something "might be" something, I got called on it.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 6, 2009 21:12:25 GMT -5
You did do well. You seem to do much better in the games that are on here/the dope. Maybe that's because you're playing with rational people!
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 6, 2009 21:16:53 GMT -5
*pokes Idle* Any chance of approving my scumboard account before I give up and go to bed>? Cheers.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 6, 2009 21:24:21 GMT -5
D'oh. I check it every now and again and nothing...but the one time I don't check it for a few days...that's when they all rush in.
Going to do it now.
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Post by Rysto on Jan 7, 2009 18:45:39 GMT -5
Two of are scum have been acting in a certain way, so surely the rest must be too, right? If they'd just look at sinjin's posting record, they'd see that she's been one of Santo's biggest defenders.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 7, 2009 18:52:27 GMT -5
Updates:
Hoopy is investigating MrBlockey..so he'll get a Town read. Zeriel wants to drop a spiny on KidV
Chucara is going to kill Santo Rugger..and... Santo Rugger and Cookies (via PM) are both voting for Chucara (sinjin wants to kill off Nanook). So if nothing changes there, they'll just wind up offing each other and that'll be it for the Night kills. Very good for Town if that's the case and ESPECIALLY good for Hoopy and Nanook, whom nobody would have bothered with.
Just waiting on Nanook to tell me who to protect.
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Post by Rysto on Jan 7, 2009 19:28:24 GMT -5
So if nothing changes there, they'll just wind up offing each other and that'll be it for the Night kills Hm? Why can't sinjin or Cookies take a kill? Or are you only talking about toNight?
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Post by special on Jan 7, 2009 19:33:51 GMT -5
so cookies votes privately to you? and the other Scum know she gets a vote even though they don't know who she is?
This is an interesting game from this end as frustrating as it was from the inside. :-D
though, looking over the roles, it seems I got the most impossible to win with role.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 8, 2009 14:24:49 GMT -5
DBI really needs to quit it. The first time was only mildly annoying, but it's gone firmly into the 'obnoxious' territory.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 16:45:56 GMT -5
so cookies votes privately to you? and the other Scum know she gets a vote even though they don't know who she is? This is an interesting game from this end as frustrating as it was from the inside. :-D though, looking over the roles, it seems I got the most impossible to win with role. Yes. Yes. Maybe. Possibly.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 16:46:45 GMT -5
So if nothing changes there, they'll just wind up offing each other and that'll be it for the Night kills Hm? Why can't sinjin or Cookies take a kill? Or are you only talking about toNight? Huh? Chucara is voting to kill off Santo. ALL of the scum are voting to kill off Chucara. (I don't require that they pick a scum to carry out kills).
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Post by Rysto on Jan 8, 2009 17:20:29 GMT -5
I interpreted your post as meaning that there will be no more kills at all in this game. Is that what you meant?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 18:49:22 GMT -5
Ohh, okay. I gotcha. Yes, I was only talking about that being "it" for Night kills on that Night.
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Post by Rysto on Jan 8, 2009 19:26:00 GMT -5
blockey is right: scum can't win the game if the town plays it right. It's between Zeriel and the Town(a solo Mason win is also impossible). The key thing that Town must get right is that they must lynch from the unconfirmed pool toMorrow, despite the role reassignments.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 19:35:57 GMT -5
I'm going on with that, by the way, despite reading (and taking in) Parzival's opinion.
And I'm making it that, if you kill the PERSON, then the person will be dead (so when they go back to their role the next Day--it will exist no more because the person will be dead).
I went back and forth for awhile wondering if I should make it the person or the character dying (as in, if it was just the character, then whoever went back to that character would be dead the next Day....as opposed to whoever the person they kill's character being killed off).
Examples:
Let's say Person A is Yoshi and Person B is Mario. The Day switch comes and Person A becomes Mario and Person B becomes Yoshi.
How I'll have it (killing the person kills the character) would mean if Person B dies...then the next day Mario is gone (when Person B becomes Mario again...but YOSHI would still be alive and Person A would become Yoshi (still alive) again).
Having it be the character dying would make it so that if Person B is killed (while they're Yoshi)..then Person A would be dead the next Day when they become Yoshi again but person B would STILL BE ALIVE because Mario (who they were and will become again) is still alive.
Does that make sense to everyone?
So I'm making it that the PERSON who is killed (that Day, and that Night by scum) is the one that dies.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 19:37:10 GMT -5
Oh, and I'll be making all of this clear (well, as clear as it can be put) at the start of that Day..so it shouldn't be a mystery/secret/surprise to anyone in game.
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Post by Rysto on Jan 8, 2009 19:42:14 GMT -5
So in other words, if sinjin becomes Town toMorrow and gets lynched, on Day 8 sinjin, scum, will still be dead?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 20:02:03 GMT -5
Sinjin is a bad example because Sinjin's regular role is a strongman. So it takes two times to kill her.
But that would be correct for anyone else.. If someone lynches, say, Cookies the townie, then, when the Day and Night is over and everyone goes back to their old roles, Cookies the scum will be dead (and whoever the character was that Cookies was temp filling in for will still be alive).
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 20:03:10 GMT -5
If it's SINJIN that's killed (as a Town, on that Day), then going back as her regular role, she'll just have to be lynched ONCE to die (since the first lynch of her would count).
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Post by Rysto on Jan 8, 2009 20:06:07 GMT -5
Sinjin is a bad example because Sinjin's regular role is a strongman. So it takes two times to kill her. That changes everything. Scum do have a chance still, but only if Hoopy doesn't confirm any more townies. What happens if sinjin is lynched while she has a Town role? Can her strongman power kick in then? Actually, now that I think of it sinjin should claim townie strongman. I've never seen a scum strongman before and I would almost certainly consider someone with that power confirmed town.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 20:09:47 GMT -5
That's what she's planning to do.
And I just said, if she's lynched as Town (which she will be the next Day, believe me---although the roles will be randomized, I'm going to make sure most everyone has a role OPPOSITE of what they have now), that will count for her and she'll have to be lynched one more time (as scum).
Consequently, if the person who is temp filling in for the scum strongman is lynched, then, when Sinjin gets the role back, she will also be left with just one more lynch before she dies.
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Post by Rysto on Jan 8, 2009 20:23:10 GMT -5
That's what she's planning to do. ... Consequently, if the person who is temp filling in for the scum strongman is lynched, then, when Sinjin gets the role back, she will also be left with just one more lynch before she dies. Oh, damn. She had better hope that Cookies gets the strongman role toMorrow, or she's screwed. The strongman claim will completely give her away...
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 8, 2009 22:14:23 GMT -5
That's correct.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 9, 2009 5:57:38 GMT -5
Sinjin is a bad example because Sinjin's regular role is a strongman. So it takes two times to kill her. That changes everything. Scum do have a chance still, but only if Hoopy doesn't confirm any more townies. For Mafiates, a "strongman" is normally a player with a bonus kill - , see, for example, the Firefly game, where Whatthefrak had that power. Using the word in a nonconventional sense will cause confusion. Confusion can be fun for the victims though.
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Santo Rugger
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Post by Santo Rugger on Jan 9, 2009 14:03:25 GMT -5
Kindly explain how changing the win conditions and then suddenly stopping at endgame isn't gastardly? Kindly explain how switching everybody's roles isn't gastardly? I didn't think the setup was gastardly at all, until I read the spoilers.
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Post by Rysto on Jan 9, 2009 16:24:50 GMT -5
Idle, won't the switch tomorrow out all of the non-Town players? How can any of them win?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 9, 2009 18:43:19 GMT -5
Idle, won't the switch tomorrow out all of the non-Town players? How can any of them win? No? How would it out them? 'Splain.
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