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Post by sinjin on Jan 22, 2009 15:34:25 GMT -5
I would like to say a couple of things:
1) Scum were totally screwed by the evil castle mechanic. We lost a night kill and town got an extra one. And yes they took out a townie, but one of the non-confirmed. We would have obviously taken out one of the confirmed. At that point with Cookies as my buddy, scum were toast.
2) When I said the bit about 4 unconfirmed I thought it was obvious to the most casual of observers that if Hoopy was unconfirmed then every one was unconfirmed. I really didn't think I had to spell it out. My bad.
3) I suggested to Idle in the scum thread that he not bring me back to life. I could not see how his mechanic worked either.
4) While it was fun arguing with Hoopy yesterDay, I feel kind of, bleh, about the way it turned out.
5) I think the only big mistake we made was not bussing DBI on day one. I don't think Cookies or I were under any suspicion at all until we ended up the "unconfirmed".
6) Did anyone notice that I was the third voter almost everytime? Hee.
With all due respect, Idle, I think we were screwed.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 22, 2009 15:38:59 GMT -5
2) When I said the bit about 4 unconfirmed I thought it was obvious to the most casual of observers that if Hoopy was unconfirmed then every one was unconfirmed. I really didn't think I had to spell it out. My bad. It was obvious to me. ;D
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 22, 2009 15:39:48 GMT -5
I4) While it was fun arguing with Hoopy yesterDay, I feel kind of, bleh, about the way it turned out. Why is that?
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Post by sinjin on Jan 22, 2009 15:44:40 GMT -5
Because up to the very end I was hoping that Cookies was not the last scum and that we actually had a chance of winning.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 22, 2009 15:55:02 GMT -5
I would like to say a couple of things: 1) Scum were totally screwed by the evil castle mechanic. We lost a night kill and town got an extra one. And yes they took out a townie, but one of the non-confirmed. We would have obviously taken out one of the confirmed. At that point with Cookies as my buddy, scum were toast. 2) When I said the bit about 4 unconfirmed I thought it was obvious to the most casual of observers that if Hoopy was unconfirmed then every one was unconfirmed. I really didn't think I had to spell it out. My bad. 3) I suggested to Idle in the scum thread that he not bring me back to life. I could not see how his mechanic worked either. 4) While it was fun arguing with Hoopy yesterDay, I feel kind of, bleh, about the way it turned out. 5) I think the only big mistake we made was not bussing DBI on day one. I don't think Cookies or I were under any suspicion at all until we ended up the "unconfirmed". 6) Did anyone notice that I was the third voter almost everytime? Hee. With all due respect, Idle, I think we were screwed. No offense, but I think (now) that scum were probably screwed by that point anyway....so it didn't really make any difference. : p
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 22, 2009 16:17:56 GMT -5
Because up to the very end I was hoping that Cookies was not the last scum and that we actually had a chance of winning. Well, I had fun arguing with you, too. And you almost had me wondering if you were overzealous townie, but the only way that made sense was if Idle had given us a backup godfather. What really cemented it for me was the post where you brought mechanics into why you wanted to lynch me. Because, that really was all you needed. The rest was all smoke and mirrors and read like PIS, especially since you ignored any pro-town motivation for my actions. But it was fun. You put up a good fight and I enjoyed the verbal sparring.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 22, 2009 16:34:39 GMT -5
So we know that Hoopy wasn't lying, but he was wrong somewhere in his confirmations. Ha! You and your ugly scum bits wish!
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Post by sinjin on Jan 22, 2009 16:38:40 GMT -5
Hoopy, I actually did think that you were my scum buddy for a long time. Wishful thinking, sigh. I even gave you a handshake in the game can you figure out when?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 22, 2009 17:22:01 GMT -5
Hoopy, I actually did think that you were my scum buddy for a long time. Wishful thinking, sigh. I wub you too. I'm kind of itching to try my hand at scum again. I've only played it once and I was fairly green then with only Batman under my belt. (Scum in Gastard didn't count since none of us were really teamed up. We were more PFK's with a kill to share.) I'll have to go look when I get a chance. I wonder if I would have picked it up if I were the secret scum.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 23, 2009 9:09:48 GMT -5
For awhile there, Santo thought Almost Human was the secret scum because of something she said (something about there actually BEING a scummy person who doesn't know who the others are).
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 23, 2009 9:58:18 GMT -5
Hoopy, I actually did think that you were my scum buddy for a long time. Wishful thinking, sigh. I even gave you a handshake in the game can you figure out when? Would that be 6.140 when you channeled McCain?
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Post by Zeriel on Jan 23, 2009 11:21:28 GMT -5
See, what I'm wondering is why Cookies killed Hoopy. Seems like icing one of the higher-profile confirmed who wasn't tied to a chain reaction would have been better than that.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 23, 2009 11:27:45 GMT -5
So what I want to know is...when does the next game start??
--FCOD
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 23, 2009 11:45:58 GMT -5
See, what I'm wondering is why Cookies killed Hoopy. Seems like icing one of the higher-profile confirmed who wasn't tied to a chain reaction would have been better than that. She was kind of in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. She was going to be the next lynch. By leaving me alive, she can't try to impugn one of my investigations. As soon as Sinjin came up scum, there was no way I was going to be lynched before cookies anyway. If she tries to go with me being scum, it'll be transparent that she's scum. If she tries to impugn an investigation, I'll counter her. By killing me off, she at least can try the "maybe he made a mistake" thing. Honestly, I think it's the "least worst" tactic she could do. But regardless, she's sunk. I wonder if scum shouldn't have whacked the SK when they did. They might have been better served taking out the doc and then me. By whacking the SK, they left me alive for far too long. But the end result probably wouldn't have been much different, and in some ways a Vig (which our tame SK pretty much was) can be worse for scum than a detective because the detective can't speed up the game like the Vig can. If the Vig finds scum, town doesn't have to lynch it. If the detective finds scum, town has to lynch it. And this is why detectives should try to find town. Because that's how they speed up the game. In other words, the Detective's purpose is to find town, which speeds up the game in favor of town because it creates a guaranteed non-mislynch and reduces the pool scum can hide in, so it lowers the overall mislynch percentage by one person and keeps town numbers up. The vig's purpose is to kill scum, which speeds up the game in favor of town. If the vig kills town, the game speeds up, but in favor of scum. If the detective finds scum, the game speed doesn't change, and town gets a confirmed lynch target, but effectively the only net gain is that the mislynch percentage decreased by one person. So anytime the detective investigates, he reduces mislynch chance, but only when he finds town (or alternately third party depending how the town is handling them at that pont) does the true power of the detective come out.
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Post by sinjin on Jan 23, 2009 13:15:07 GMT -5
That's the one my friend.
We whacked the SK because he gave the town 2 kills a day to our one per night. He was already set on doing Santo Night 5 and was talking about how scummy I was Day 5.
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Post by sinjin on Jan 23, 2009 14:20:50 GMT -5
No offense, but I think (now) that scum were probably screwed by that point anyway....so it didn't really make any difference. : p Yes, you are correct. Even if everthing went the right way for us by day 10 it would have been 1 claimed mason and 1 confirmed vs 1 unconfirmed. Although I could have and would have argued about the mason claim, I doubt I would have succeeded. Funny how that doesn't make me feel any better.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 23, 2009 21:32:40 GMT -5
Wait... why did the mason's steal the win? The role did not seem to be written that way.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 23, 2009 21:54:32 GMT -5
Well, they could either win on their own or with Town (if any of them were surviving).
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 23, 2009 23:59:04 GMT -5
See, what I'm wondering is why Cookies killed Hoopy. Seems like icing one of the higher-profile confirmed who wasn't tied to a chain reaction would have been better than that. Just for the record, I was set to argue for Hoopys lynch if he'd lived through the night. Cookies would have been next once he came back Town, but she could have brought it to lylo.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 24, 2009 0:01:36 GMT -5
Wait... why did the mason's steal the win? The role did not seem to be written that way. Steal? We won with Town, not in spite of. Oh, and for hecks sake, I was SURE you were scum.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 24, 2009 16:18:50 GMT -5
Wait... why did the mason's steal the win? The role did not seem to be written that way. Steal? We won with Town, not in spite of. Oh, and for hecks sake, I was SURE you were scum. I either misread the win post or Idle changed it when he moved it to night nine. I swear when I read the win it was only you and the jester listed.
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 24, 2009 17:52:34 GMT -5
Skimming? Thats a scumtell...
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 24, 2009 18:33:24 GMT -5
Nah, Town won too. It read that all long so *shrugs* I dunno!
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Post by NAF1138 on Jan 26, 2009 11:15:38 GMT -5
Woohoo! I don't win all that often, this one is nice.
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