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Post by Zeriel on Dec 17, 2008 10:50:53 GMT -5
Wow, pedescribe. That was a REALLY BAD gambit.
I mean, really freakin' bad.
You SERIOUSLY thought a scum would screw up their own win condition to live another day? And you thought about it long enough to write up a fake PM and everything? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 11:02:15 GMT -5
Wait, is no one else bemused by the pedescribe revelation? Chucara, Cookies, and myself all gave his original claim a WTF before your post. However, something did catch my eye. pede: I'm really not understanding your plan at all.. You are unable to stop the current peeker (town)lynch, and you want to trade what with him? If peeker is town he should not need incentive to give town what it wants, if he is scum, how does this benefit us? Chucara, had pede's claim been accurate, how do you know he was unable to stop the peek train?
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Post by Chucara on Dec 17, 2008 11:05:23 GMT -5
Wow.. A roleclaim and a reclaim because people say it doesn't make sense.. That's either a townie plan not thought through, or a scum plan.. well.. not thought through.. I still don't understand peeker's response if he is town, but if this were any earlier in the day, I'd strongly consider voting for pedescribe. But as I think peeker is still a good candidate and I of principle think last minute votes are a bad idea, I'll have to do a re-read of totallost and pedescribe over christmas to determine whether I have anything other than a gut feeling right now.
Pede could be scum trying to save a more powerful role, but that doesn't really seem likely either.. I'm just vastly confused by that play right now.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 11:11:29 GMT -5
I've been suspicious of pede for a bit, and here's what I'm thinking happened. Earlier in the day, pede said he figured out a situation where town would claim to be anti-town but it would really be pro town. He obviously thought about this "gambit" for a bit, as zeriel mentions. Methinks he's been planning on doing it the whole game, which is why he set up the whole situation of thinking of a way to claim that would be anti-town if you were really town earlier.
Mealsothinks Chucara is in on the plan, which is why he's pretty sure the peeker lynch can't be stopped. This theory assumes pede and Chucara are both scum, and therefore know peeker is town (and they're betting he's not PFK, or they have a scum investigator and know for sure).
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Post by Chucara on Dec 17, 2008 11:11:58 GMT -5
Chucara, Cookies, and myself all gave his original claim a WTF before your post. However, something did catch my eye. pede: I'm really not understanding your plan at all.. You are unable to stop the current peeker (town)lynch, and you want to trade what with him? If peeker is town he should not need incentive to give town what it wants, if he is scum, how does this benefit us? Chucara, had pede's claim been accurate, how do you know he was unable to stop the peek train? I misunderstood his power.. As I also stated earlier, I thought the "town" part of his power referred to who was lynching, not the target.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 17, 2008 11:13:37 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if Idle injected some sort of subconscious hypnotic code in his PMs. "You will have an overwhelming and unstoppable desire to claim in a most awkward and nonsensical manner in exactly x# of days from reading this PM..." Is there an antidote? If not, I'm tempted to go lock myself in a nice dark coin room somewhere. I have a hard time believing you'd come up with such an ill-conceived gambit, pede. The timing seems out of nowhere with no rhyme or reason other than the possibility of a rather obvious distraction attempt to keep peeker from the gallows. So many things don't make any sense in this damn game.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 17, 2008 11:18:52 GMT -5
I've been suspicious of pede for a bit, and here's what I'm thinking happened. Earlier in the day, pede said he figured out a situation where town would claim to be anti-town but it would really be pro town. He obviously thought about this "gambit" for a bit, as zeriel mentions. Methinks he's been planning on doing it the whole game, which is why he set up the whole situation of thinking of a way to claim that would be anti-town if you were really town earlier. Mealsothinks Chucara is in on the plan, which is why he's pretty sure the peeker lynch can't be stopped. This theory assumes pede and Chucara are both scum, and therefore know peeker is town (and they're betting he's not PFK, or they have a scum investigator and know for sure). I'm not sure I understand your thoery here, so far I'll settle for being confused (about a lot of things this game) and post my earlier post where I explained my confusion. If you still think there's anything in it, I'll address that later. Now: dinner. Ah, now I understand.. I thought town-lynch: actual day lynch, and non-town lynch = night kill or something. (figured that since scum are voting, it could be called a lynch as well). Am I then correct in understanding that - If peeker is scum, lynch is blocked - If peeker is pfk, lynch is blocked - If peeker is town, peeker dies If so, what will that earn us other than we find out that peeker is evil and we have to spend another day lynching him? I'm still not getting the plan..
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 17, 2008 11:22:39 GMT -5
I have a hard time believing you'd come up with such an ill-conceived gambit, pede. [Not-so-obscure OOG reference] Anyone contract leprosy recently? ;D [/NSOOOGR]
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 17, 2008 11:23:53 GMT -5
pede
I especially like the "preform" portion of that nonsense PM.
Wait, we have shape shifters now.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 17, 2008 11:36:08 GMT -5
Oh, and Unovte Ed vote pede
After that nonsense I'll gladly die because this game truly will have gone done the bunny hole when it comes to having any type of sense attached to it.
And the fact that chucara even references my "town" lynch makes her a close second since that surely indicates that she knows something that she shouldn't absent something I don't know about.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 17, 2008 11:41:01 GMT -5
Heavily snipped: Everything that I have done has been to trap scummers. Fuck there are those among you that have already figured this out. I know I did. Sorry, Idle it was not that hard. Can you elaborate on those two points? I'm concerned with this, too. It's probably directly related with a couple of relationships that have formed. For example, Total Lost seems to have taken MiteyMouse under her wing in this game. I don't know if Total Lost is just a really nice gal sticking up for a friend (and putting alignments, regardless of what they are, aside), or if she's got ulterior motives. More on that in a bit. Regardless, it's not good for the town either way. We all know MHaye starts every single game with a post about not holding grudges. IMHO, treating your buddies differently than the group as a whole (regardless if it's an original Doper or an original FBer) is just as dangerous, if not more so. If all your favorite people are town, that's great. But that's probably not the case. The part that bothers me the most is this playing from the gut style (using somebody else's terminology) isn't conducive to teamwork or logic. Especially if you know the player making the claims knows better. This, combined with Total Lost's appearance of perfect knowledge, leads me to whom I think is the best lynch candidate for the Day. Vote Total LostThat's CRAP - and you know it! You don't like the game I play - FINE You want to vote for me - FINE But why would you make the vote about FB and the other players from FB? That's crap - BIG TIME CRAP!
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 17, 2008 12:07:20 GMT -5
Today's the last day of class (hooray!), and I'll be packing up and driving to Orlando as soon as presentations wrap up.
I'm not sure if Idle has stated anything for the record, so I'm going to ask to make sure:
Idle, do the scum have to pick one person to carry out the kill?
A "vote stopper" role that only works against non-Town? That doesn't sound like a pro-Town power at all, as everybody's already mentioned. And an RB role in a setup where scum kills are processed as just "Scum kill X" instead of "Player Y kills X" would mean that only Town and PFK powers get blocked (unless scum have extra powers other than the Night kill) - and I'm pretty sure that's how Idle processed kills in the Psychopaths game.
I don't think I'll be online by deadline, and since it's pretty much down to me and him,
vote peekercpa
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 12:23:56 GMT -5
That's CRAP - and you know it! You don't like the game I play - FINE You want to vote for me - FINE But why would you make the vote about FB and the other players from FB? That's crap - BIG TIME CRAP! Note that I didn't say all FB players are exhibiting this behavior, and that I made sure to mention that there are players from the Dope that do this, too. The only reason you think it's crap is because you know it's true.
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 17, 2008 12:48:43 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if Idle injected some sort of subconscious hypnotic code in his PMs. "You will have an overwhelming and unstoppable desire to claim in a most awkward and nonsensical manner in exactly x# of days from reading this PM..." Is there an antidote? If not, I'm tempted to go lock myself in a nice dark coin room somewhere. I have a hard time believing you'd come up with such an ill-conceived gambit, pede. The timing seems out of nowhere with no rhyme or reason other than the possibility of a rather obvious distraction attempt to keep peeker from the gallows. So many things don't make any sense in this damn game. Wait, it's day three? Uhhh... my role is bacon, and among my many powers are deliciousness. So I'm kinda useless. In twenty posts I'll explain how I REALLY roleblock vegetarians and people who think pigs are cute on alternate wednesdays.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 13:21:43 GMT -5
zeriel, you're cracking me up today!
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 17, 2008 13:22:29 GMT -5
Eat Zeriel[/color]
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 17, 2008 13:27:58 GMT -5
Uneat Zeriel[/color] (just in case).
I'm actually going to have to Vote Pedescribe[/color]. I'm not at all clear what he was doing there, and it makes me twitchy.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 17, 2008 13:29:22 GMT -5
That's CRAP - and you know it! You don't like the game I play - FINE You want to vote for me - FINE But why would you make the vote about FB and the other players from FB? That's crap - BIG TIME CRAP! Note that I didn't say all FB players are exhibiting this behavior, and that I made sure to mention that there are players from the Dope that do this, too. The only reason you think it's crap is because you know it's true. No - I don't "know" it to be true! My reasons for not voting MiteyM has got nothing to do with the fact that I've played with her on FB. If you think I'm doing it for that reason - fine - you think what you want to think... You did however quote Peekers "I am unsure that I like you FBs" and then went on to say: "I'm concerned with this, too. It's probably directly related with a couple of relationships that have formed. For example, Total Lost seems to have taken MiteyMouse under her wing in this game." What I see as a way to smugde all from FB in your statement is the "For example"-part... see to me an example is "an item of information that is typical of a class or group" (yep - you try to Google "Define: Example" - and see what you think).
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Post by The Real FCOD on Dec 17, 2008 13:42:37 GMT -5
Today's the last day of class (hooray!), and I'll be packing up and driving to Orlando as soon as presentations wrap up. I'm not sure if Idle has stated anything for the record, so I'm going to ask to make sure: Idle, do the scum have to pick one person to carry out the kill?A "vote stopper" role that only works against non-Town? That doesn't sound like a pro-Town power at all, as everybody's already mentioned. And an RB role in a setup where scum kills are processed as just "Scum kill X" instead of "Player Y kills X" would mean that only Town and PFK powers get blocked (unless scum have extra powers other than the Night kill) - and I'm pretty sure that's how Idle processed kills in the Psychopaths game. Did you notice that he's since revised his claim, or are you just skimming? Gah, now I don't know who to vote for! Peeker the pronoun vigilante, DBI the skimming lurker, or pedescribe the architect of the worst gambit I've ever seen... I have to say that the typo "preform" in pedescribe's second "quoted" PM really really really bothers me. I can't help but wonder if it was Idle's typo or pedescribe's. --FCOD
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 17, 2008 13:45:18 GMT -5
And by the way my statement about FB was meant to be in tongue in cheek. Just so you guys/gals don't get the wrong impression. I mean it is only a game and one has got to do what one thinks is in their team's best interest.
So, from my standpoint, I am glad that we have had an influx of new blood. Keeps things a little fresher.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 17, 2008 13:49:12 GMT -5
So as far as claims and confirms so far, town has had two roles that required triggers (confirm), one role that screws with the win condition (role confirmed, alignment not), and another that can block any night action as long as it isn't the scum kill. This really isn't any better than the previous claim. I reiterate my earlier sentiment.
Oh, and as a former roleblocker in Batman, townie roleblockers are damn near useless in the beginning of the game. They really don't become useful until the endgame (where they are one of the most useful roles). I'm curious as to why you pulled this gambit and risked outing yourself since your role might be worth something in the endgame.
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Post by Rysto on Dec 17, 2008 13:52:30 GMT -5
Oh, and as a former roleblocker in Batman, townie roleblockers are damn near useless in the beginning of the game. They really don't become useful until the endgame (where they are one of the most useful roles). Well, if he can't block a scum kill, that does make the role a lot less useful in the end game.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 13:57:53 GMT -5
No - I don't "know" it to be true! Do you, or do you not, believe that MiteyM knows exactly what is meant by the term "Vanilla"? I still think you're a Total Hottie 85% of my vote for you is because of the perfect information (i.e. who is scum and who is not) that you seem to be displaying, and that has been documented by others. I know exactly what an example is. I explicit said there were a couple of relationships I was uncomfortable with. I used your taking Mitey under your wing because, combined with the perfect knowledge theory, I was voting for you in that post. The other example of backing up is shaggy backing Mitey. To be fair, I'm not sure if it's because they are used to playing the FB-style games together, or if it's because they both have trouble expressing their thoughts in text and therefore stick by each other. As I expressed in my original post on the subject, this can be very dangerous.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 17, 2008 14:00:32 GMT -5
So as far as claims and confirms so far, town has had two roles that required triggers (confirm), one role that screws with the win condition (role confirmed, alignment not), and another that can block any night action as long as it isn't the scum kill. This really isn't any better than the previous claim. I reiterate my earlier sentiment. Oh, and as a former roleblocker in Batman, townie roleblockers are damn near useless in the beginning of the game. They really don't become useful until the endgame (where they are one of the most useful roles). I'm curious as to why you pulled this gambit and risked outing yourself since your role might be worth something in the endgame. Well, the way I see it, either the scum have a whole bunch of cool powers (in which case I'll be dead by morning), or they don't, which means I'm no better than vanilla. Given all the powers we've seen so far, I figure the second is much more likely. So I figured that instead I'd put my role name to some use and see if scum would bite. Of course, I didn't really think my gambit through... As for the idea that I want to shift focus off peeker, that is completely untrue. I want peeker to be lynched today. My gambit was supposed to focus the spotlight on peeker, make him make a choice. I'm still voting for him. And Santo, what I meant earlier about claiming scum is that, if you were a cop, and everyone thought you suspicious, but you found a few scum, you could claim "I am scum, and so are _____ and _____." Then, when they lynch you, they'll know what you meant and get two scum in a row. That's all.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 17, 2008 14:02:18 GMT -5
Today's the last day of class (hooray!), and I'll be packing up and driving to Orlando as soon as presentations wrap up. I'm not sure if Idle has stated anything for the record, so I'm going to ask to make sure: Idle, do the scum have to pick one person to carry out the kill?A "vote stopper" role that only works against non-Town? That doesn't sound like a pro-Town power at all, as everybody's already mentioned. And an RB role in a setup where scum kills are processed as just "Scum kill X" instead of "Player Y kills X" would mean that only Town and PFK powers get blocked (unless scum have extra powers other than the Night kill) - and I'm pretty sure that's how Idle processed kills in the Psychopaths game. Did you notice that he's since revised his claim, or are you just skimming? Gah, now I don't know who to vote for! Peeker the pronoun vigilante, DBI the skimming lurker, or pedescribe the architect of the worst gambit I've ever seen... I have to say that the typo "preform" in pedescribe's second "quoted" PM really really really bothers me. I can't help but wonder if it was Idle's typo or pedescribe's. --FCOD Considering he also spelled Kamek wrong (I corrected it in my false PM to make it more believable), it's not surprising he spelled perform wrong.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 17, 2008 14:03:53 GMT -5
So if Pede blocks MiteyM will the WC still change?
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 17, 2008 14:07:19 GMT -5
And Santo, what I meant earlier about claiming scum is that, if you were a cop, and everyone thought you suspicious, but you found a few scum, you could claim "I am scum, and so are _____ and _____." Then, when they lynch you, they'll know what you meant and get two scum in a row. That's all. I don't see the logic in that - why not claim cop if that was your role? (*lol* reminds me of a cop once that tried to claim MASON... that didn't go well!!!)
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 14:08:22 GMT -5
And Santo, what I meant earlier about claiming scum is that, if you were a cop, and everyone thought you suspicious, but you found a few scum, you could claim "I am scum, and so are _____ and _____." Then, when they lynch you, they'll know what you meant and get two scum in a row. That's all. Why wouldn't you just say, "I'm a cop, and I found XXXX and YYYY,"?* The scum would assume you're a cop anyway, when you finger** two of them. *Any gramar geeks know if that's the way you're supposed to include a statement in a question (i.e. ,"?) *Hehe, finger.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 14:09:14 GMT -5
(*lol* reminds me of a cop once that tried to claim MASON... that didn't go well!!!) Bwhahahah! Good point! ;D
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 17, 2008 14:17:54 GMT -5
85% of my vote for you is because of the perfect information (i.e. who is scum and who is not) that you seem to be displaying, and that has been documented by others. I still believe it is very possible for MiteyM to have seen her role as a "vanilla"-like role. You disagree - don't think we can get anymore out of that discussion. As for the perfect information - I don't have it, but if that is your reason for 85% of the vote... not really anything I can say right now to change your mind. Let's leave it for now. At least you have a vote on record - a LOT of players still don't!!! I explicit said there were a couple of relationships I was uncomfortable with. I used your taking Mitey under your wing because, combined with the perfect knowledge theory, I was voting for you in that post. The other example of backing up is shaggy backing Mitey. To be fair, I'm not sure if it's because they are used to playing the FB-style games together, or if it's because they both have trouble expressing their thoughts in text and therefore stick by each other. As I expressed in my original post on the subject, this can be very dangerous. Or because they are married? Lots of reasons... why not ask SHAGGY if there is some part of his game you don't like? I just really didn't like the way the "FB-gang" was made into a new "issue". I loved the point of Storyteller on the "Story lines" and I could easily see how the "FB-gang" could become a big issue later on in this game. For the record: I don't mind voting for people from FB (and I don't see anyone from FB having that problem).
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