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Post by special on Dec 16, 2008 22:01:45 GMT -5
Ill agree that my play doesn't seem to escape suspicion. Maybe I should just lurk and avoid posting suspicions on things and commenting on foolish ideas. There you go again, man. I'm the champion of "differing strategies is not necessarily anti-town", for the record, and your entire modus operandi so far has seemed to be "any strategy other than 'vote for whoever you feel like (as long as I think your reasons are good enough)' is prima fascie dumb and worthy of only scorn. And both times you get called on it you use it as an excuse to lurk. Basically, you haven't contributed anything but petulance and random smudges with little justification so far as I can tell. That's a useful "lurking" strategy for scum trying to lay low. an excuse to lurk? I haven't lurked. I may say things sarcastically. Maybe that's difficult for people to understand. I don't think it's in my best interest to lurk. I don't even think it's fun to lurk. I obviously haven't been avoiding anything. On Day 1, I called mole on his claim. I stated my mild suspicion of story. Granted, I didn't vote at the end of the Day, but I didn't make it back in time to vote like I had planned. I think that was discussed in Night 1 when I revealed that my berry had turned to dust. On Day 2, I stated how I wanted to vote for mmouse, and if others wanted the Day to last, they should hold off voting. I stated my ideas about faux voting and about the odd strategies for actually voting off mmouse other than actually voting! And toDay, I stated my suspicion of peeker based on his attack on mighty. On all 3 Days, I've tried to respond to every comment people make questioning my motives. You may not agree with me, and that's fine. You may think I'm scummy, and that's fine too. I'm trying my best to win. Also, I have yet to demand that anyone vote the way I do. But I still reserve the right to criticize any play as I see fit. I still encourage people to vote the way I do, because, well..um...I obviously think it's the best way to vote or I wouldn't vote that way. If I think an idea isn't a good one, am I supposed to keep my mouth shut? Or should I voice my opinion? I think the idea of faux votes is a bad idea. I've stated such. It's fine if you disagree. Feel free to disagree. But why criticize me for criticizing an idea? And yes, I ranted over how many people had claimed. I felt that type of play is anti-town. I also ranted about the foolish ideas we spent half a Day talking about (get scummy people to vote for mmouse on the off chance she's a bomb that takes out whoever is voting for her) Yes, I thought the idea was bad on several levels. I thought we wasted time discussing it. I was sick of the discussion. I voiced that. Maybe I shouldn't rant so much, maybe I shouldn't post my thoughts out in public, but that's how I see me best serving the Town.
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Post by special on Dec 16, 2008 22:05:18 GMT -5
I apologize for attributing it to you then. I guess my point is, why a 'faux vote'? Isn't that the point of an FOS? Can't one just vote or state the intention to vote? Are we going to have 'faux discussions' then? and 'faux FOSes'? and 'faux vote counts' and maybe even a 'faux dusk'? It just seems to add layers of complexity that we don't need and cna only detract from actual gameplay. And that's where many of us disagree--these techniques do work for us over here occasionally, when well applied. I'm not passing judgement on Cookies' plan one way or the other, but pre-emptively dismissing all such plans seems to me to be anti-town. I still think it's fine to disagree. and I disagreed. I didn't preemptively dismiss it. I ridiculed it a little bit perhaps, but had everyone agreed to do the faux vote, I would have gone along. I'm glad we didn't. I just think it would have been more noise like all the vanilla claims and trying to decide how to get scummy people to vote for mmouse. I thought those ideas were bad. I said I thought they were bad. I don't think that's a bad thing or an anti-town thing.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 16, 2008 22:32:09 GMT -5
Ok last chance. If you are town you junp off my lynch right now. Only the scummers would be left. I'll die, maybe, but town will have a significant leg up. Everything that I have done has been to trap scummers. And when I die town, make sure you lynch in this order: Nanook, ed and then the Mouse.
Fuck there are those among you that have already figured this out. I know I did. Sorry, Idle it was not that hard.
Sorry Z it ain't as simple as you want it.
Let's get it over with. Next game on the dope. See you gals/guys on the other side. WHEN I come up town remember what I say because it's a guarantee.
BTW, need a couple more so let's go gals/guys.
I am unsure that I like you FBs. I mean, I love new blood but y'all play a game with which I am unfamiliar. And if it's just going to be cliquey count me out.
nanook peek is just saying static.
B the flippin' S.
And if anyone don't got a clue, well then short list 'em FCS.
If anyone can catch a drift. If you know what I mean.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 16, 2008 23:36:34 GMT -5
And like I said. The ones who most said I was not town have information that the rest of you don't want. FCS when I show up town can you numbskrulls lynch Nanook and get us back in track. Jeez as a townie I truly can't make it any easier.
I hate airports.
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Post by Nanook on Dec 16, 2008 23:39:48 GMT -5
Dude, I have no idea what your problem with me is. From here, it looks like some sort of angry OMGUS with no substance to it whatsoever, with maybe a dash of grudge holding added in. And getting angry and lashing out because people are voting for you? I really don't understand that. Nanook gets my vote since all he ever does is nitch about the way I play this game. That's static and anti town. He may have five posts in this game and everyone is about me. His noise to message is zero percent. I have a couple of posts that are not pure noise and anti town. Something greater than zero percent. Using his methodology he has to vote for himself. Otherwise it's just a strawman that he has constructed. But that would be typical. My methodology? What are you talking about? I'm voting for you because I think you're scum, based on the way you reacted at the beginning of Yesterday and Today to the Town win condition changing. You reacted on both Days in such a way as to imply you did not receive the same PM that Town did. Further, when confronted about it Yesterday, you ignored it for several RL days, in which time you could have easily gotten advice from scum buddies on how to handle it. Your posting style is a non-issue for me in this game. Yes, I've had issue with it in past games, but that's not this game. I've gotten used to it, and can even understand what you're driving at the majority of the time. Hell, I ever get your jokes usually. It really seems like you have a personal issue with me, and I don't understand that, since I have none with you.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 16, 2008 23:42:07 GMT -5
Ok last chance. If you are town you junp off my lynch right now. Only the scummers would be left. I'll die, maybe, but town will have a significant leg up. Everything that I have done has been to trap scummers. And when I die town, make sure you lynch in this order: Nanook, ed and then the Mouse. Fuck there are those among you that have already figured this out. I know I did. Sorry, Idle it was not that hard. Sorry Z it ain't as simple as you want it. Let's get it over with. Next game on the dope. See you gals/guys on the other side. WHEN I come up town remember what I say because it's a guarantee. BTW, need a couple more so let's go gals/guys. I am unsure that I like you FBs. I mean, I love new blood but y'all play a game with which I am unfamiliar. And if it's just going to be cliquey count me out. nanook peek is just saying static. B the flippin' S. And if anyone don't got a clue, well then short list 'em FCS. If anyone can catch a drift. If you know what I mean. ...and what about advice from the other side of the facade?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 16, 2008 23:52:25 GMT -5
Ok last chance. If you are town you junp off my lynch right now. Only the scummers would be left. I'll die, maybe, but town will have a significant leg up. Everything that I have done has been to trap scummers. And when I die town, make sure you lynch in this order: Nanook, ed and then the Mouse. Fuck there are those among you that have already figured this out. I know I did. Sorry, Idle it was not that hard. Sorry Z it ain't as simple as you want it. Let's get it over with. Next game on the dope. See you gals/guys on the other side. WHEN I come up town remember what I say because it's a guarantee. BTW, need a couple more so let's go gals/guys. I am unsure that I like you FBs. I mean, I love new blood but y'all play a game with which I am unfamiliar. And if it's just going to be cliquey count me out. nanook peek is just saying static. B the flippin' S. And if anyone don't got a clue, well then short list 'em FCS. If anyone can catch a drift. If you know what I mean. ...and what about advice from the other side of the facade? Sorry about the snark, I'm a little tired at the moment. I'm willing to make you a deal. Actually, I'll extend this deal to any anti-town elements on the chopping block. But first: a role claim. I am Kamek the Magikoopa. My breadcrumb is my avatar, which I deliberately didn't change until I got my role: note that my first post with the new avatar is in night Zero, which specifically mentions new avatars. My powers: There's a few other miscellaneous related powers, but that's the meat of the role. Now: here's my offer. If, peeker (or again, any anti-town players up on the guillotine), you give me information, I'll use my powers on you. If you give me a lot of information, I'll use my powers on you twice. Why am I doing this? Because frankly, my powers are useless otherwise, and I wanted them to be useful. You up for it, peeker?:highlighted:
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 16, 2008 23:53:13 GMT -5
Heavily snipped: Everything that I have done has been to trap scummers. Fuck there are those among you that have already figured this out. I know I did. Sorry, Idle it was not that hard. Can you elaborate on those two points? I'm concerned with this, too. It's probably directly related with a couple of relationships that have formed. For example, Total Lost seems to have taken MiteyMouse under her wing in this game. I don't know if Total Lost is just a really nice gal sticking up for a friend (and putting alignments, regardless of what they are, aside), or if she's got ulterior motives. More on that in a bit. Regardless, it's not good for the town either way. We all know MHaye starts every single game with a post about not holding grudges. IMHO, treating your buddies differently than the group as a whole (regardless if it's an original Doper or an original FBer) is just as dangerous, if not more so. If all your favorite people are town, that's great. But that's probably not the case. The part that bothers me the most is this playing from the gut style (using somebody else's terminology) isn't conducive to teamwork or logic. Especially if you know the player making the claims knows better. This, combined with Total Lost's appearance of perfect knowledge, leads me to whom I think is the best lynch candidate for the Day. Vote Total Lost
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 17, 2008 0:01:15 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 9 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, FLOD, Kat, Pedescribe, Chucara, shaggy) DBI - 4 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood, Total Lost) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Mr Special Ed - 1 vote (zeriel) Total Lost - 1 vote (Santo)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 17, 2008 1:33:59 GMT -5
pede...I don't know that I follow your plan. Your power is somewhat confirmable if you happen to try and block a non-townie lynch and succeed, basically resulting in a no-lynch that confirms your target as either PFK or scum. That seems straightforward enough, but trying to bargain with PFK and scum? How exactly is that going to work? What would be the use to the rest of us of any "information" that you might possibly glean, other than confirmation that your target survived a lynch because the are some sort of non-townie? Considering the win condition variable, your power as described will not help us figure out whether lynching your confirmed non-town target would bring us closer to whatever the ultimate win condition ends up being, or whether leaving them alive brings us closer to it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 17, 2008 1:43:26 GMT -5
And that's where many of us disagree--these techniques do work for us over here occasionally, when well applied. I'm not passing judgement on Cookies' plan one way or the other, but pre-emptively dismissing all such plans seems to me to be anti-town. I still think it's fine to disagree. and I disagreed. I didn't preemptively dismiss it. I ridiculed it a little bit perhaps, but had everyone agreed to do the faux vote, I would have gone along. I'm glad we didn't. I just think it would have been more noise like all the vanilla claims and trying to decide how to get scummy people to vote for mmouse. This makes no sense. My complicated and confusing plan was this: We have a long Day. In an effort to keep accountable participation up, we should all do what you need to do to have a vote with justification by x days prior to the Day's actual end. That is basically the antithesis of "noise". It is a vote on record and holds people accountable for that vote and the reasoning that accompanied it. While not everyone had a vote in place by that first Monday night, a lot of us did, whether or not that had anything to do with my proposal (I don't think it had much of anything to do with it, personally) it was, I think, a good thing.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 17, 2008 1:55:50 GMT -5
pede...I don't know that I follow your plan. Your power is somewhat confirmable if you happen to try and block a non-townie lynch and succeed, basically resulting in a no-lynch that confirms your target as either PFK or scum. That seems straightforward enough, but trying to bargain with PFK and scum? How exactly is that going to work? What would be the use to the rest of us of any "information" that you might possibly glean, other than confirmation that your target survived a lynch because the are some sort of non-townie? Considering the win condition variable, your power as described will not help us figure out whether lynching your confirmed non-town target would bring us closer to whatever the ultimate win condition ends up being, or whether leaving them alive brings us closer to it. I actually understand this even less than I thought I did. The only way anything could be confirmed about your power as described is if it saves someone from a lynch, and then they either end up dead from some sort of killing role thereby exposing their alignment in death, or we actually do lynch them to confirm you. Using your power (assuming it is what it is and you are what you say you are) potentially stalls our scum and PFK hunting by at least a Day or two, in exchange for potentially confirming you as town and putting a big target on your back.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 2:09:37 GMT -5
This makes no sense. My complicated and confusing plan was this: We have a long Day. In an effort to keep accountable participation up, we should all do what you need to do to have a vote with justification by x days prior to the Day's actual end. That is basically the antithesis of "noise". It is a vote on record and holds people accountable for that vote and the reasoning that accompanied it. The way you described your plan just now is brilliant. The way you explained it with faux voting was not. Had you simply said this in the first place, I wouldn't have even questioned it. It most certainly was complicated and confusing at the time. ...Using your power (assuming it is what it is and you are what you say you are) potentially stalls our scum and PFK hunting by at least a Day or two, in exchange for potentially confirming you as town and putting a big target on your back. In other words (my words, not Cookies'), it doesn't sound like a very townie power to have, and even less so to use.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 17, 2008 2:31:21 GMT -5
Yes I realize my initial post had a confusing word choice, but it has been subsequently explained and discussed quite a bit since then.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 17, 2008 3:10:36 GMT -5
Yes I realize my initial post had a confusing word choice, but it has been subsequently explained and discussed quite a bit since then. The way I read it, SpEd was talking about his initial "ragging" on you for the idea, which he claimed was "stupid". Said ragging took place before explanation and discussion.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 17, 2008 3:19:20 GMT -5
pede: I'm really not understanding your plan at all.. You are unable to stop the current peeker (town)lynch, and you want to trade what with him? If peeker is town he should not need incentive to give town what it wants, if he is scum, how does this benefit us?
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 17, 2008 4:29:54 GMT -5
Sorry pede can't help you. I am as town as they come, so If I understand you, there ain't no power in the world that saves my townie ass. I am not a scotsman so that don't work. Can't rely on you so that be out of bounds. You guys are really hosing the town. Just look at the folks that were there for the tab and are there for me. It probably is best that I ride the lightening. Just, FCS look at the votes, please.
And Nanook peace, brother.
You seem to always chap my ass. I do need to pull an MHaye and just let it go.
Therefore Unvote Nanook. You happy now, dude.
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At least the scum will be happy with this vote. I am off to other games. I'll try not to piss so many of you off in the future. Since, apparently, relations are such an integral part of the game on this board.
Makes it tough for someone not in the group.
New Mantra. Lynch those who don't have established relationships with others in the game.
Fuck, makes everyone who is not in your clique a singleton. And not in a PFK way, just hanging out in the breeze as a poor townie.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 17, 2008 4:38:22 GMT -5
This coding is a bear.
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Seriously, you guys don't know how to accept an honest mistake unless you are part of the group. And you take stuff and twist it. If town wants to win that's where the fertile hunting ground is, IMHO.
Based on you all's reasoning I have to vote for myself. Don't agree but the herd has spoken.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 17, 2008 4:53:22 GMT -5
Yes I realize my initial post had a confusing word choice, but it has been subsequently explained and discussed quite a bit since then. Boy, can I get down with the connfusing "word choice". And because I am just so frustratred but will not go dowm fighting for town. Unvote Peek. Vote EdI've got to at least try even if it's just about hopeless.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 17, 2008 5:05:46 GMT -5
pede: I'm really not understanding your plan at all.. You are unable to stop the current peeker (town)lynch, and you want to trade what with him? If peeker is town he should not need incentive to give town what it wants, if he is scum, how does this benefit us? If we believe him he can't do dick regarding me since I am town. Go ahead pede try to block my non-town lynch. When it fails it don't prove shit. Seriously, if you are successful (which you won't be) what in the world have you proved. Man, if this was your great plan I am just not seeing it. Unless you are totally convinced that I am not town. Then play your cards and let's see where we end up. I think your busted straight is going to lose to a small set. All in, brother.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 17, 2008 5:14:49 GMT -5
Ah, now I understand.. I thought town-lynch: actual day lynch, and non-town lynch = night kill or something. (figured that since scum are voting, it could be called a lynch as well).
Am I then correct in understanding that - If peeker is scum, lynch is blocked - If peeker is pfk, lynch is blocked - If peeker is town, peeker dies
If so, what will that earn us other than we find out that peeker is evil and we have to spend another day lynching him? I'm still not getting the plan..
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Post by special on Dec 17, 2008 7:35:02 GMT -5
I still think it's fine to disagree. and I disagreed. I didn't preemptively dismiss it. I ridiculed it a little bit perhaps, but had everyone agreed to do the faux vote, I would have gone along. I'm glad we didn't. I just think it would have been more noise like all the vanilla claims and trying to decide how to get scummy people to vote for mmouse. This makes no sense. My complicated and confusing plan was this: We have a long Day. In an effort to keep accountable participation up, we should all do what you need to do to have a vote with justification by x days prior to the Day's actual end. That is basically the antithesis of "noise". It is a vote on record and holds people accountable for that vote and the reasoning that accompanied it. While not everyone had a vote in place by that first Monday night, a lot of us did, whether or not that had anything to do with my proposal (I don't think it had much of anything to do with it, personally) it was, I think, a good thing. What you're describing isn't a faux vote. It's an actual vote. What I was against was the talk of voting in another color votes that didn't count for anything. To me, that just seemed like noise. I'm all for voting, and even voting before the deadline to avoid what on FB, I've called a "last minute scum influenced voting chaos" If that's what you meant, then we have no problem. And if I attributed any parts of the plan to you that weren't yours, I apologize again.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 17, 2008 8:01:37 GMT -5
Wait, is no one else bemused by the pedescribe revelation? If he's being truthful, he has a power that is absolutely guaranteed to never be pro-Town. The ability to stop any lynch except a lynch of Town is the ability to stop only those lynches that it would be to our detriment to stop.
pedescribe, if you're pro-Town, can you think of a way to use this power that doesn't hurt us? Trying to strong-arm on-the-block Scum into giving up information we can't trust anyway aside?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 17, 2008 8:03:30 GMT -5
So as far as claims and confirms so far, town has had two roles that required triggers (confirm), one role that screws with the win condition (role confirmed, alignment not), and another that can only save non-townies from lynch (no confirmation). I'm beginning to wonder if any townie out there has a useful active power.
And for those who are talking about confirming pede. It's quite possible to confirm his power, but his power could just as well be given to scum. In fact, it'd be a fairly useful scum power. However, it's unlikely that he's non-godfather scum. If we have a name investigator, his name is pretty much confirmable. If we have an alignment investigator and he's godfather, he'll show up as town according to Idle. It's possible he's just gutsy non-godfather scum, but it seems a big gamble to take for a claim that as described would be more useful for scum than town.
The only way I can see a townie use for his power, though, is in an end game where scum outnumber town, but PFK still prevent scum from winning. If scum try to lynch PFK, this would be a useful way to stop the scum win at that point. But I don't see that scenario being likely.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 17, 2008 8:08:38 GMT -5
NETA: And storyteller, get out of my head!
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 17, 2008 8:40:49 GMT -5
The only way I can see a townie use for his power, though, is in an end game where scum outnumber town, but PFK still prevent scum from winning. If scum try to lynch PFK, this would be a useful way to stop the scum win at that point. But I don't see that scenario being likely. This will only be useful, though, if we find we have an alignment investigator--I don't see any way for pedescribe's power to differentiate between PFKs and scum, so at best it just adds another little layer of WIFOM as to whether the lynchee is truthfully a PFK or a lying scum. And even then, what of it? We've lost anyway if we take away our own lynch ability at that point--if scum haven't already won, then all town+pfk still outnumber them and can override a scum train anyway. If for whatever weird reason that's not possible, the most pede can do is delay the scum win by a half a day from LyLo--blocked lynch, nightkill, over. I'm deliberately not factoring in a skillful/clairvoyant Doc who survives to endgame here, because I don't believe in mythical creatures. I'm with story--I do not believe this power can ever be pro-town as described. Convince me otherwise.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 17, 2008 8:47:51 GMT -5
Wait, is no one else bemused by the pedescribe revelation? If he's being truthful, he has a power that is absolutely guaranteed to never be pro-Town. The ability to stop any lynch except a lynch of Town is the ability to stop only those lynches that it would be to our detriment to stop. pedescribe, if you're pro-Town, can you think of a way to use this power that doesn't hurt us? Trying to strong-arm on-the-block Scum into giving up information we can't trust anyway aside? Notice that it says "Of your powers...". And that I had to snip some stuff. With the snipped stuff, my power can become much more useful, but there's basically a bats chance in hell that it'll ever come up. Which I why I went with plan "B". pede: I'm really not understanding your plan at all.. You are unable to stop the current peeker (town)lynch, and you want to trade what with him? If peeker is town he should not need incentive to give town what it wants, if he is scum, how does this benefit us? pede...I don't know that I follow your plan. Your power is somewhat confirmable if you happen to try and block a non-townie lynch and succeed, basically resulting in a no-lynch that confirms your target as either PFK or scum. That seems straightforward enough, but trying to bargain with PFK and scum? How exactly is that going to work? What would be the use to the rest of us of any "information" that you might possibly glean, other than confirmation that your target survived a lynch because the are some sort of non-townie? Considering the win condition variable, your power as described will not help us figure out whether lynching your confirmed non-town target would bring us closer to whatever the ultimate win condition ends up being, or whether leaving them alive brings us closer to it. I actually understand this even less than I thought I did. The only way anything could be confirmed about your power as described is if it saves someone from a lynch, and then they either end up dead from some sort of killing role thereby exposing their alignment in death, or we actually do lynch them to confirm you. Using your power (assuming it is what it is and you are what you say you are) potentially stalls our scum and PFK hunting by at least a Day or two, in exchange for potentially confirming you as town and putting a big target on your back. You misunderstand. I am the policeman in the confession room, offering -10 years in exchange for a buddy's name. If he talks--how many scum there are, who they targeted, who they are, and what their powers are, I'll keep them from being lynched for a bit.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 17, 2008 9:06:05 GMT -5
I actually understand this even less than I thought I did. The only way anything could be confirmed about your power as described is if it saves someone from a lynch, and then they either end up dead from some sort of killing role thereby exposing their alignment in death, or we actually do lynch them to confirm you. Using your power (assuming it is what it is and you are what you say you are) potentially stalls our scum and PFK hunting by at least a Day or two, in exchange for potentially confirming you as town and putting a big target on your back. You misunderstand. I am the policeman in the confession room, offering -10 years in exchange for a buddy's name. If he talks--how many scum there are, who they targeted, who they are, and what their powers are, I'll keep them from being lynched for a bit. But why would they care? Why are they going to talk and reduce their chance of winning. Better to die earlier as a martyr than to live longer as a traitor. The only way you'd ever get a scum/PFK to talk is if whatever they are being alive a bit longer is more important to their goal than giving away the info. (E.g. a scum traitor who reveals one scum each Day we leave him alive.) However, that's unlikely. And besides, if someone is that much more useful living, town would probably lynch them anyway, because we don't want to take the chance on their power hurting us significantly. Additionally, your power will only work once per case. Because if you go against town wishes, we will lynch you. If town wants to get these people to talk, we can simply not lynch them in exchange for information. Your power will only serve to prevent a lynch at the last minute should we decide for some reason to not lynch the vote leader and not everyone can unvote in time. Another unlikely scenario, IMO.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 17, 2008 9:39:40 GMT -5
I don't see any reason in this plan.. The good cop/bad cop isn't going to work, as a scummy person getting his lynch delayed one day isn't much of a carrot in return for ruining the game for the rest of the scum team (whose win condition is the same as the person you're trying to get talking).
This combined with the fact that I can't see how this power could possibly be pro-town, means a huge FoS on pedescribe.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 17, 2008 10:36:27 GMT -5
You misunderstand. I am the policeman in the confession room, offering -10 years in exchange for a buddy's name. If he talks--how many scum there are, who they targeted, who they are, and what their powers are, I'll keep them from being lynched for a bit. But why would they care? Why are they going to talk and reduce their chance of winning. Better to die earlier as a martyr than to live longer as a traitor. The only way you'd ever get a scum/PFK to talk is if whatever they are being alive a bit longer is more important to their goal than giving away the info. (E.g. a scum traitor who reveals one scum each Day we leave him alive.) However, that's unlikely. And besides, if someone is that much more useful living, town would probably lynch them anyway, because we don't want to take the chance on their power hurting us significantly. Additionally, your power will only work once per case. Because if you go against town wishes, we will lynch you. If town wants to get these people to talk, we can simply not lynch them in exchange for information. Your power will only serve to prevent a lynch at the last minute should we decide for some reason to not lynch the vote leader and not everyone can unvote in time. Another unlikely scenario, IMO. Well...:shrugs: I thought the gambit was worth a try. But when you put it that way... Here's my actual role: And here's some clarification on the sketchier aspects of it: My plan was to get a scum to spill...then role block them, which of course wouldn't prevent them from dying, then reveal myself, and hope you (i.e. everyone) would realize it was a gambit and not a scum play. Another aspect I hadn't thought through: what if they lie? Then I just look like a fool: Lynch scum--I pretend to save them but don't Lynch town scum named because he wanted to be saved Lynch me because I caused you to lynch a town because the scum lied. Yeah, not good. I probably should have thought it out more before I pulled the gambit. So...yeah. Incidentally, I targeted you last night, peeker. Did you notice? Or are you vanilla?
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