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Post by Almost Human on Dec 16, 2008 13:31:38 GMT -5
Catching a quick sanity break between projects to check in and stuff.
Almost Human - My apologies, that was a genuine misunderstanding on my part because I didn't crunch the numbers after the first time you explained yourself, and your initial statement did make you sound like you were a PFK. (But a vote in response to a mere FoS? You wound me, dude.) Dude, if that was the only reason for my vote the post I made would've been a lot shorter
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 14:15:08 GMT -5
Side point: At 8-8, with bufftabby known Town and DBI uncertain, what happens next will be of great interest once we know DBI’s alignment. Seems to me after reading this that the lynch of DBI might give Town some info we can use. I just - in generel - have a problem with a info-lynch (feels so cynical) and I'm not sure if info can justify a mis-lynch. Then again DBI might not be a mis-lynch... UnvoteI need to think about this
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 16, 2008 14:17:41 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 9 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, FLOD, Kat, Pedescribe, Chucara, shaggy) DBI - 3 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa)
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 16, 2008 14:18:59 GMT -5
Just a little over 24 hours left. Remember, it takes 12 votes to end Day automatically.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 15:03:54 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 9 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, FLOD, Kat, Pedescribe, Chucara, shaggy) DBI - 3 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Something just doesn't feel right here. With 13 votes (out of 25) and 9 are on Peeker. So I guess there must be scum in there - could be because he's a PFK or to get Town to trust scum or could have something to do with "scum would never do that". No matter what - something just doesn't feel right. DBI isn't a lurker anymore - but her play still seems anti-town to me. She doesn't really answer anything - just pops in to say something and then she is gone again. I know it's not much to base a vote on in Day 3 - but with only 24 hours (or something like that) left I want to have a vote on the record. And I hope that her lynch might tell us something about what happend with Bufftabby
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 15:05:01 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 9 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, FLOD, Kat, Pedescribe, Chucara, shaggy) DBI - 3 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Something just doesn't feel right here. With 13 votes (out of 25) and 9 are on Peeker. So I guess there must be scum in there - could be because he's a PFK or to get Town to trust scum or could have something to do with "scum would never do that". No matter what - something just doesn't feel right. DBI isn't a lurker anymore - but her play still seems anti-town to me. She doesn't really answer anything - just pops in to say something and then she is gone again. I know it's not much to base a vote on in Day 3 - but with only 24 hours (or something like that) left I want to have a vote on the record. And I hope that her lynch might tell us something about what happend with BufftabbyWhoops - forgot to vote (sorry): Vote DBI
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 16, 2008 15:12:05 GMT -5
But seriously, we're giving Mighty the benefit of the doubt for much bigger mistakes than this and it doesn't seem (to me) to be that significant. At least I get the impression that his subsequent responses have contained genuine frustration rather than scummy backpedalling. Personally speaking, I'm voting for MiteyMouse as soon as the win condition rolls around to whichever of "Must kill all PFKs" or "Must kill all scum" seems easier at the time, on the off chance that killing her will lock the win condition--I still don't believe that Idle would hang a role on someone that they can't control and that will keep going after their death.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 16, 2008 15:50:05 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 9 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, FLOD, Kat, Pedescribe, Chucara, shaggy) DBI - 3 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Something just doesn't feel right here. With 13 votes (out of 25) and 9 are on Peeker. So I guess there must be scum in there - could be because he's a PFK or to get Town to trust scum or could have something to do with "scum would never do that". No matter what - something just doesn't feel right. DBI isn't a lurker anymore - but her play still seems anti-town to me. She doesn't really answer anything - just pops in to say something and then she is gone again. I know it's not much to base a vote on in Day 3 - but with only 24 hours (or something like that) left I want to have a vote on the record. And I hope that her lynch might tell us something about what happend with BufftabbyI've got a theory...but it won't be realistic until we know the alignment of peeker is scum, which is why I'm voting for him.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 15:53:01 GMT -5
I don't tend to FOS (don't really like it - if I see something scummy I'll vote). So this isn't a FOS - it's more a... wow, I see a pattern and we need to address it! On Day 1 Peeker saw something very similar to what we see now: The point he made with Pede and nanook could be said for a lot of us toDay! First we have some votes on Peeker and DBI and very soon after we get more votes on Peeker and then suddenly Chucara goes: Hmm.. With peekers latest reactions, I'll change my vote. unvote DBIvote peekerThe final straw for me is this: You guys/gals do whatever you deem necessary. I truly don't give a rats. Other than the town is making a mistake. You know I really tried to play this one a little more straight up. And now it will the first time that I get lynched. And to top it off since I am town - I think you guys/gals have taught me a lesson I should have probably been taught long ago. It seems that peeker is threatening to go back to his usual posting style if we lynch him.. He might just be angry because of the upcoming lynch, but I'm picking up a "scum pretending to be nonchalant about the upcoming lynch" vite from him. It's not a lot, but it's enough to push him ahead of DBI And then right after that Shaggy says this: I'm wondering now if scum got a PM notification that said "MALLOW HAS CHANGED TOWN'S WIN CONDITION!" (or maybe "THE TOWN WIN CONDITION" or the like) and peeker assumed that Town got the identical wording. I had wondered actually something similar but instead, of the town's WC has changed but rather that they did not recieve a PM at all, cause I have been thinking.... peek to me seemed in his past post during the start of the first day when we had a WC change, almost surprised that the WC had changed and asking did everyone get the PM? like almost as if he did not get one at all.....could be way off, but if only town has the WC changing then it seems fitting that the SCUM do not get a PM for there WC. As I said could be ay off, but your post made me think of this. So if I am right then maybe I should also switch my vote. I still find DBI sucpicious though, but because of thinking that, If it is right then why not. unvote DBI vote peek Now I don't say this is scum voting to get town lynch - actually I'm pretty sure we have Town in the votes for Peeker but I can't help but think that Town almost deserve not to win if this is how we play. Did you see the SDMB-game? Scum really played that game SO well - and Town believe them and followed (almost) every scum-lead! I think Town needs to vote for the one most scummy - not the one with most votes (and yeah - that kind of play from me looked so scummy in the SDMB-game that scum had it really easy to get me lynched *lol*)
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 15:56:49 GMT -5
Something just doesn't feel right here. With 13 votes (out of 25) and 9 are on Peeker. So I guess there must be scum in there - could be because he's a PFK or to get Town to trust scum or could have something to do with "scum would never do that". No matter what - something just doesn't feel right. DBI isn't a lurker anymore - but her play still seems anti-town to me. She doesn't really answer anything - just pops in to say something and then she is gone again. I know it's not much to base a vote on in Day 3 - but with only 24 hours (or something like that) left I want to have a vote on the record. And I hope that her lynch might tell us something about what happend with BufftabbyI've got a theory...but it won't be realistic until we know the alignment of peeker is scum, which is why I'm voting for him. *lol* did you just hand me a magic bag? *she takes the bag and find that the content is somewhat incomprehensible ;D
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Post by Chucara on Dec 16, 2008 16:11:54 GMT -5
I can see your point totallost, except the "I think Town needs to vote for the one most scummy - not the one with most votes" part. I can't really see what I should've done differently. Should I have left my vote on DBI if I think peeker is scummier? And right now I really think he his - especially if DBI has exams. That's the problem with IRL excuses: they are just too easy for scum to hide behind. However, I am getting a slight ping from you from this post.. It might just be from reading story's analysis, but that really seems to be setting something up for an "I warned you" tomorrow. *shrug* Not enough to trigger anything, but I'm watching you
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 16, 2008 16:21:03 GMT -5
Anyway, I've been doing a re-read of Mr Special Ed, since he'd been pinging me on Day One and intermittently thereafter. The following struck me as suspicious on re-read: 1.472: Belittles Cookies for trying to get more votes out, even if her plan was somewhat flawed. 1.758 is somewhat typical of Ed's smudging of storyteller. He does this a few other times, for no clear reason--nothing you can call him out on, per se, just vague innuendo. 2.15 In which he votes to rush-lynch someone and claims there's "no difference" between day and night because discussion is uninhibited. 2.37 expands on the previous, continues his "night lynch" error, and continues to hammer on the idea of rapid-lynching mmouse. 2.289 is a pretty little rant, arguing strongly against anything other than him not being questioned for voting how he likes when he likes, and THEN saying we had until the end of the week to decide--when he's the one who was all in favor of rushing the vote early in the day. 3.96 After all the ranting on Day Two about how he didn't like planning, we have a conciliatory query about what strategy to use today. All in all it adds up smelly to me. Snarky, shoots down any idea that the Town should do anything except vote for who they find suspicious (until Day Three, inscrutably), tossing out smudges here and there. vote Mr Special EdI'm not on either of the lynch trains. I'm happy with a peekercpa lynch, as his belligerence (as distinct from his incoherence) has been dialing up far too much for me to trust him. I'll switch my vote over to him in the unlikely event DBI catches up.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 16:26:06 GMT -5
I can see your point totallost, except the "I think Town needs to vote for the one most scummy - not the one with most votes" part. I can't really see what I should've done differently. Should I have left my vote on DBI if I think peeker is scummier? And right now I really think he his - especially if DBI has exams. That's the problem with IRL excuses: they are just too easy for scum to hide behind. However, I am getting a slight ping from you from this post.. It might just be from reading story's analysis, but that really seems to be setting something up for an "I warned you" tomorrow. *shrug* Not enough to trigger anything, but I'm watching you I don't mind you watch me - not at all I'm fine with the Peeker-votes if they are a "I find Peeker the most scummy"-votes. But I do mind the fact that in this game people seem to look at the players with the most votes and suddenly seem to only want to vote for them. I did/do them same thing - I'm voting DBI again! And it is fine if you make a case/give reasons - but it is anti-town if Town stop looking for scum when someone get 3-4 votes and just goes: "Yeah - we got a lynch-candidate".
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Post by Chucara on Dec 16, 2008 16:30:17 GMT -5
And it is fine if you make a case/give reasons - but it is anti-town if Town stop looking for scum when someone get 3-4 votes and just goes: "Yeah - we got a lynch-candidate". Absolutely in agreement with you on that.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 16, 2008 16:38:01 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 9 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, FLOD, Kat, Pedescribe, Chucara, shaggy) DBI - 4 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood, Total Lost) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Mr Special Ed - 1 vote (zeriel)
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 16:38:31 GMT -5
And it is fine if you make a case/give reasons - but it is anti-town if Town stop looking for scum when someone get 3-4 votes and just goes: "Yeah - we got a lynch-candidate". Absolutely in agreement with you on that. Hope this doesn't mean that you'll stop watching me
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Post by Chucara on Dec 16, 2008 17:06:52 GMT -5
Absolutely in agreement with you on that. Hope this doesn't mean that you'll stop watching me Don't worry, I won't.. Oh! That reminds me.. Camera three is getting foggy, can you wipe it down or something? Thanks..
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 17:19:54 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't mean that you'll stop watching me Don't worry, I won't.. Oh! That reminds me.. Camera three is getting foggy, can you wipe it down or something? Thanks.. Really??? I wiped it just few seconds ago... but then again for you I'll wipe it down anytime! Just let me know if there is anything else I can do for you... (and if you think it's better - we can always swap to Danish ;D )
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Post by Chucara on Dec 16, 2008 17:27:16 GMT -5
Henter du pizza?
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 16, 2008 17:28:40 GMT -5
Kommer an på hvad jeg får til gengæld... har du noget godt at tilbyde??
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 16, 2008 17:52:35 GMT -5
Kommer an på hvad jeg får til gengæld... har du noget godt at tilbyde?? tf; dr (Too foreign; didn't read.)
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 16, 2008 17:57:41 GMT -5
Kommer an på hvad jeg får til gengæld... har du noget godt at tilbyde?? tf; dr (Too foreign; didn't read.) I think she wants to know what he can offer in return for her toppings Play the game or get a room!
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 16, 2008 18:48:40 GMT -5
Unexpected layover and a chance to just do a REAL qucik read through.
I think I finally understand where you guys are coming from. - mis parsed [bIdles[/b] PM so I decided to quote it directly. All I can say is for those folks that let vanilla slide but are intent and stretching me now, there is a target rich environment. I was attempting to point out the difference in the pronoun portion of the PM. That's it. Once again, for those on that weak cliff, you've got some tempting targets on a go forward basis. Sorry, pede, hope you didn't spend a heck of a lot of time on your theory with me being scum. When I come back town you are back to square one.
And I just got to say that for those (another target rich environment) who give me grief about fluff and static that I am certainly approaching the bottom quartile of this game.
What the heck, when people already have an agenda not much can be done. Ask Buff.
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Post by special on Dec 16, 2008 19:06:09 GMT -5
In between we have Mr. Special Ed, at #731, also voting tabby, with the following argument: “I'm not convinced that Tabbygate has found an actual scum, but I'm much more comfortable voting for someone who is acting slightly scummy,” which is an effort to distance himself from his own vote. He adds on the following: “I wish I was more familiar with people on here. Story is playing a different game than the one he did play on FB, but I'm left assuming it's his normal style to point out what he sees as inconsistencies and start a discussion based on them. His skills of persuasion scare me, however.” Obviously, this draws my attention because it mentions me (heh). I point it out because ultimately it’s a bit of a subtle smudge. He’s going to vote for tabby and contribute to her lynch, but he wants to make sure it’s on record that I (and my “skills of persuasion”) are responsible. And all of what I said is true. You're an articulate person. Your posts are clear, convincing, and logical. That does scare me. When I read your posts, I find myself agreeing with you. So, I should be scared, because I have no idea if your Town, Scum or PFK. As to distancing myself from a bufftabby vote. I didn't feel strongly about it, but I did feel she was acting slightly scummy. So I voted. After further discussion, I did unvote her. And you're accurate in stating that I never did cast a vote. Hoopy makes eight on tabby at #751, with a pretty well-reasoned post. Mister Special Ed, who remember is still voting on the train that I started, has this to say, in response to my characterization of him as an “easy lynch:” The foregoing is interesting for two reasons. One is that Ed is continuing the pattern he began in an early post - lightly smudging me with this “setting up of future moves” business. The second, and most important, is that I never voted for Mr. Special Ed at all. [/u] Why does this matter? Well, a big chunk of my point to bufftabby was that the interaction between Ed and I was not as contentious as it had been made to sound. My point was that I hadn’t voted for him, hadn’t even really done more than pose a question, and how could that be fairly characterized as a big deal? Ed agreed with me at #670. Here’s my question: if Ed believed at the time that I had voted for him, why would he agree that the interaction was no big deal? And why would he vote along with me on a wagon partially predicated on the notion that the interaction was no big deal? But now, suddenly, at #765, Mr. Special Ed says he “felt like a target,” and like I am looking for a victim. I am left to wonder: what made him feel like a target? (Or, specifically, what did I do that made him feel like a target? I didn’t vote for him; I asked him a question. It was no big deal, and he agreed that it was no big deal 100 posts before he decided that, you know what, it was a big deal. Anyway, he unvotes buff, bringing her back down to 7 votes. [/quote] My statement that I had had 3 votes was accurate, but you are correct: you had never voted for me. I guess I made that mistake because the votes against me were based on your observations. It was part of our infamous debacle. I did feel like an easy target at that point. And I felt as if you contributed to putting the target on me. However, that said, you are correct in that we did seem to work out the situation and you had never voted for me. That didn't easy my feelings of being an easy target though (justified or not, it's how I felt) So, I understand your suspicions of me, but I still feel justified that all of my actions are pro-town. (and I'm still intimidated by your skills, and I stand by my statement that I hope your on my side)
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 16, 2008 19:15:23 GMT -5
Board ate my eloquent post so you get cliff notes.
Nanook gets my vote since all he ever does is nitch about the way I play this game. That's static and anti town. He may have five posts in this game and everyone is about me. His noise to message is zero percent. I have a couple of posts that are not pure noise and anti town. Something greater than zero percent. Using his methodology he has to vote for himself. Otherwise it's just a strawman that he has constructed. But that would be typical.
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Post by special on Dec 16, 2008 19:35:39 GMT -5
Anyway, I've been doing a re-read of Mr Special Ed, since he'd been pinging me on Day One and intermittently thereafter. The following struck me as suspicious on re-read: 1.472: Belittles Cookies for trying to get more votes out, even if her plan was somewhat flawed. 1.758 is somewhat typical of Ed's smudging of storyteller. He does this a few other times, for no clear reason--nothing you can call him out on, per se, just vague innuendo. 2.15 In which he votes to rush-lynch someone and claims there's "no difference" between day and night because discussion is uninhibited. 2.37 expands on the previous, continues his "night lynch" error, and continues to hammer on the idea of rapid-lynching mmouse. 2.289 is a pretty little rant, arguing strongly against anything other than him not being questioned for voting how he likes when he likes, and THEN saying we had until the end of the week to decide--when he's the one who was all in favor of rushing the vote early in the day. 3.96 After all the ranting on Day Two about how he didn't like planning, we have a conciliatory query about what strategy to use today. All in all it adds up smelly to me. Snarky, shoots down any idea that the Town should do anything except vote for who they find suspicious (until Day Three, inscrutably), tossing out smudges here and there. vote Mr Special EdI'm not on either of the lynch trains. I'm happy with a peekercpa lynch, as his belligerence (as distinct from his incoherence) has been dialing up far too much for me to trust him. I'll switch my vote over to him in the unlikely event DBI catches up. methinks you misread my slightly irritated sarcasm. I was irritated when we had a claimed PFK to lynch and a kill all PFK win condition. Sure, it is a good idea to wait out a Day longer, but I put my vote out there, and I was getting heat from people who also have votes on mmouse. And, to be honest, I didn't much care if we went into Night early, so if no one else wanted to, they shouldn't vote...or maybe they could 'faux vote' I DID rant on the rampant role claims which I felt weren't needed and just played into our enemy's hands. I DID rant on cookie's idea that we should fake vote or something. I mean, wtf? fake vote? am I missing something? What's the point? Why not just vote or FOS or even say, I'm going to vote for someone. No, we need a really difficult to arrange straw poll of sorts which will detract from content and be confusing and net us what? So, yeah, I thought the idea was stupid and said so. And I DID rant on the silly ideas concerning how to lynch mmouse I mean, really, 'let's get 2 scummiest to vote for her" I'm sure they'll do just what we expect or, even better, "let's get 2 vanilla to vote for her." What did we get out of that? 2 role claims. Brilliant. and, nowhere did I say that I didn't like planning. Ill agree that my play doesn't seem to escape suspicion. Maybe I should just lurk and avoid posting suspicions on things and commenting on foolish ideas.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 16, 2008 19:43:40 GMT -5
That, for the record, wasn't my idea. I did use the words "faux vote" but I did not propose any voting outside of the voting we were already doing. I was basically asking for a pledge to vote by a midpoint in the long day to keep us from lagging into silence. And I honestly think we should consider something similar for however long the Day is that is coming up.
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Post by special on Dec 16, 2008 19:46:55 GMT -5
That, for the record, wasn't my idea. I did use the words "faux vote" but I did not propose any voting outside of the voting we were already doing. I was basically asking for a pledge to vote by a midpoint in the long day to keep us from lagging into silence. And I honestly think we should consider something similar for however long the Day is that is coming up. I apologize for attributing it to you then. I guess my point is, why a 'faux vote'? Isn't that the point of an FOS? Can't one just vote or state the intention to vote? Are we going to have 'faux discussions' then? and 'faux FOSes'? and 'faux vote counts' and maybe even a 'faux dusk'? It just seems to add layers of complexity that we don't need and cna only detract from actual gameplay.
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 16, 2008 21:11:38 GMT -5
Ill agree that my play doesn't seem to escape suspicion. Maybe I should just lurk and avoid posting suspicions on things and commenting on foolish ideas. There you go again, man. I'm the champion of "differing strategies is not necessarily anti-town", for the record, and your entire modus operandi so far has seemed to be "any strategy other than 'vote for whoever you feel like (as long as I think your reasons are good enough)' is prima fascie dumb and worthy of only scorn. And both times you get called on it you use it as an excuse to lurk. Basically, you haven't contributed anything but petulance and random smudges with little justification so far as I can tell. That's a useful "lurking" strategy for scum trying to lay low.
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 16, 2008 21:22:48 GMT -5
I apologize for attributing it to you then. I guess my point is, why a 'faux vote'? Isn't that the point of an FOS? Can't one just vote or state the intention to vote? Are we going to have 'faux discussions' then? and 'faux FOSes'? and 'faux vote counts' and maybe even a 'faux dusk'? It just seems to add layers of complexity that we don't need and cna only detract from actual gameplay. And that's where many of us disagree--these techniques do work for us over here occasionally, when well applied. I'm not passing judgement on Cookies' plan one way or the other, but pre-emptively dismissing all such plans seems to me to be anti-town.
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