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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 12, 2008 20:10:51 GMT -5
I actually considered it and had it checked. ;D But it looked too ugly with the big font and colors.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 12, 2008 20:10:56 GMT -5
Early game observations. Ok sinjin you reference where the mouse says that in her Pm that "... you have changed your win condition....". My PMs merely indicate that the win condition has changed. What's up with that (and no, I am not going to track down the original post)? Either mouse is full of shit or sinjin is making stuff up. Hey peeks ya lazy bastard. Don't be calling me out for making stuff up without even doing a simple search. The post is easy to find and memorable if you're keeping up and not skimming. Take a peek here, it's post #340. So sorry you have to page down a bit. Hope you don't dislocate a finger or whatever other appendage your typing with.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 12, 2008 20:13:57 GMT -5
NETA: sorry = solly in peekspeak
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 12, 2008 20:19:34 GMT -5
Did someone run over the neighbor's cat? Heard what appeared to be a lot of screeching.
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Post by sinjin on Dec 12, 2008 20:23:55 GMT -5
Did someone run over the neighbor's cat? Heard what appeared to be a lot of screeching. Yeah that was me as I realized I typed your instead of you're again. I hate not being able to edit.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 13, 2008 0:34:39 GMT -5
Early game observations. Ok sinjin you reference where the mouse says that in her Pm that "... you have changed your win condition....". My PMs merely indicate that the win condition has changed. What's up with that (and no, I am not going to track down the original post)? Either mouse is full of shit or sinjin is making stuff up. Hey peeks ya lazy bastard. Don't be calling me out for making stuff up without even doing a simple search. The post is easy to find and memorable if you're keeping up and not skimming. Take a peek here, it's post #340. So sorry you have to page down a bit. Hope you don't dislocate a finger or whatever other appendage your typing with. Ok, the mouse does quote a fictional PM where it is her win condition that changes. Not town, but Hers. What's up with that? And for those of you that believe that the weather has any impact on the town win condition. Splain me, Lucy please. If you believe innocence then how in the world do you connect the dots. If you don't believe then why in the world, not? I've seen enough and, frankly, heard enough. Vote the remaining MouseAnd, crap shaggy you aren't making a whole wad of sense. Coming from me you can take that what you will. And sinjin thanks for the help on your quote. Wasn't calling you out or nothin'.just figuring if I am going to get something stuck in my ass that I am at least due a reach around.
Golly gee am I crabby tonight.
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Post by special on Dec 13, 2008 0:35:19 GMT -5
So, who has any ideas on a strategic approach to this Day?
I agree on letting Mitey live for another Day.
It seems the talk of lynching lurkers and/or fluffers has diminished,
Some people are participating much less than previously. I suppose I might be included in that group, but I've seen less that irritates me, and my bowels are no longer tied in a knot.
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Post by special on Dec 13, 2008 0:39:38 GMT -5
Hey peeks ya lazy bastard. Don't be calling me out for making stuff up without even doing a simple search. The post is easy to find and memorable if you're keeping up and not skimming. Take a peek here, it's post #340. So sorry you have to page down a bit. Hope you don't dislocate a finger or whatever other appendage your typing with. Ok, the mouse does quote a fictional PM where it is her win condition that changes. Not town, but Hers. What's up with that? And for those of you that believe that the weather has any impact on the town win condition. Splain me, Lucy please. If you believe innocence then how in the world do you connect the dots. If you don't believe then why in the world, not? I've seen enough and, frankly, heard enough. Vote the remaining MouseAnd, crap shaggy you aren't making a whole wad of sense. Coming from me you can take that what you will. And sinjin thanks for the help on your quote. Wasn't calling you out or nothin'.just figuring if I am going to get something stuck in my ass that I am at least due a reach around.
Golly gee am I crabby tonight. peeker? Didn't your PM tell you that your win condition changed? More specifically, Didn't it say "Mallow has changed your win condition?" I suppose it makes sense that Idle would say "you have changed your win condition" to Mallow, doesn't it? Can you copy/paste your 'Bing' message, please?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 13, 2008 0:45:00 GMT -5
I just love it when this game boils down to the use of one word when it comes to some people's votes. That is only a partially snarky statement.
I am also guilty of being a participation hypocrite, being less involved Today. But I reserve my right to publicly chastise the people who were not participating Yesterday as well as Today.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 13, 2008 1:16:26 GMT -5
MiteyMouse - 1 vote (peekercpa)
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 13, 2008 3:36:41 GMT -5
Here ya go, Ed.
Not sure what it proves except that you remain on the short list.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 13, 2008 4:11:16 GMT -5
And you are right, for some odd reason I had it it parsed that the town win condition had changed. 'Course, since I am town "you" is going to come across as the generic. Oh well, my bad. But when I read a generic PM that is specific to no one I still wonder about that which is specific to an individual. Christ, we can get into Kant and Niebuhr but am unsure whether that has any game implications, per se.
Obviously, in life a priori makes a big difference.
I leave you with this (and this is total non bull).
Sanskrit Proverb
Look to this day.
For it is life.
The very life of life.
In its brief course lie all
The realities and verities of existence,
The bliss of growth,
The splendor of action,
The glory of power.
For yesterday is but a dream,
And tomorrow is only a vision,
But today, well lived,
Makes every yesterday a dream of happiness
And every tomorrow a vision of hope.
Look well, therefore, to this day.
Peace out, friends.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 13, 2008 4:23:48 GMT -5
NETA: Can we pick up the talk on who we need to kill next? I'm still feeling mousey but don't want to whack cousin Mel if not needed. In a Hindu kind of way, don't you know.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 13, 2008 4:55:00 GMT -5
It would be very unlikely that we only have 1 (!) scum in this game. So no way could Town win on Day 1 even if we had lynched scum. On Day 2 we did lynch a PFK - but there must have been more then one because we didn't win. And now on Day 3 our win condition is scum and PFKs. I know the WC did change - but if Idle had planned this change from before the game began and he always knew our WC in the end would be "scum and PFKs" then it hasn't had that big an impact on the game. Of course if the WC toMorrow turns out to change dramatic I would be wrong
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Post by special on Dec 13, 2008 11:13:57 GMT -5
Here ya go, Ed. Not sure what it proves except that you remain on the short list. Yes, I think you understand what I was getting at now. You were accusing mouse for having a PM that said almost exactly what yours did (If that really was yours). The only difference is that hers didn't say "Mallow changed" it said "You changed" since she is in fact Mallow, it actually makes sense grammatically.
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Post by special on Dec 13, 2008 11:15:16 GMT -5
Here ya go, Ed. Not sure what it proves except that you remain on the short list. Yes, I think you understand what I was getting at now. You were accusing mouse for having a PM that said almost exactly what yours did (If that really was yours). The only difference is that hers didn't say "Mallow changed" it said "You changed" since she is in fact Mallow, it actually makes sense grammatically. OK< and I didn't mean, "she is, in fact, Mallow". I should have said, "since he has, in fact, claimed to be Mallow."
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 13, 2008 12:03:20 GMT -5
OK. I've spent the last hour or so carefully reading all the posts related to miteymouse's claim and related issues, and have come to the following opinion:
Idle has claimed that this is not a Bastard Mod kind of game, and I believe him. In a non-Bastard game, the most elegant explanation is probably the best, at least to use as a working theory. A mechanic that ties a change in win condition to a single player, but makes it impossible to stop that change in win condition even by killing that player, would be, on balance, a bit of a Bastard Mod move.
Much more elegant is the simple explanation that has been offered by a number of players, to some degree. I postulate that Mallow has the power to change win condition every Night. The actual nature of the change in win condition is outside of her control. When she dies, whatever the active win condition is at the time of her death remains the win condition permanently. This isn't really bastardly, but actually is a net plus for the Town, if you think about it. Typically, Town wins when all Scum and all PFK are dead. It'd be hard to generate a more difficult win condition than that, at least not while remaining non-bastardly. Any change to that win condition actually helps us, rather than harming us - it reduces the number of folks that have to die in order for us to win. So if you assume "Town wins when all Scum and PFK are dead" as the baseline win condition, and just act accordingly, then Mallow's power becomes essentially a bonus. Does that make sense? It does to me, but I'm not sure I'm explaining it properly.
So, how to handle this. miteymouse has claimed that the change will continue to occur even if she dies. This could be a lie, if she is PFK and trying to prevent us from killing her in order to generate the most favorable win condition possible. It could also be the truth, in which case killing her might be valueless for us.
If it's a lie, then she'll need to die eventually, but I suggest that there's no reason to do it now, when our win condition is already as burdensome as it's ever likely to become. In fact, if it's a lie, the Scum (if she's not one of them, and frankly I doubt that she is, because the whole claim makes no sense for a Scum player) will want to kill her themselves at a time when it benefits them the most.
If she's telling the truth, then she really is vanilla, bottom line, and the cycling win condition is really just a game mechanic that's independent of the players but tied to one of them just for color purposes. In such a case, she could easily be Town and killing her becomes a really big mistake, because it won't stop the cycling of the win conditions.
Bottom line: I am strongly opposed to lynching miteymouse toDay. I think we should leave her alive, and have her make another blizzard toNight. ToMorrow we will then have more information on how, exactly, the win condition shifts might work. We can then revisit the question of what to do next, armed with more definitive information on Mallow, the win conditions, and the relationship between them.
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So who to lynch? I don't know yet. I think I've wasted precious investigative time on Mallow when I should have been scum hunting, but these games get you into a "study the powers" mindset that it is hard to shake even when you know you should. So I'm going to drop miteymouse altogether now, and take a look at the Day One bufftabby wagon. YesterDay is going to be hard to analyze, because in the end the mmouse lynch was unusual. But bufftabby died Day One and it's hard to believe that no Scum at all were involved in that. So it's back to Day One for me; more later.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 13, 2008 14:30:15 GMT -5
Is this one of the humongous Days? I'm about to leave for the weekend to help my mom with my grandmother. I'll have internet access though.
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Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 13, 2008 16:04:52 GMT -5
OK< and I didn't mean, "she is, in fact, Mallow". I should have said, "since he has, in fact, claimed to be Mallow." I am a woman ED! I am a concerned by this thing that has attached itself to AH! I know that this is going to look like a OMGUS but, Santo has been riding me really had for most of Day 2 and today...and then just dropped his vote on me? He called me anti-town and Mitey Scum in the same post but, drops the vote? I'm confused as to why if he is so sure that I'm Scum...
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 13, 2008 17:30:27 GMT -5
Ok. Hmm. story is going to take a look at the tab wagon. Ok. Hmm.
Ok. Hmm. Debacle. Ok. Hmm.
Ok. Hmm. Cattle driver. Ok. Hmm.
Ok. Hmm. Voter. Ok. Hmm.
Ok. Hmm. Objective analysis. Ok. Hmm.
Ok. Hmm. Tab was town. Ok. Hmm.
Ok. Hmm. story wants us to listen to his new analysis. Ok. Hmm.
Ok. Hmm.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 13, 2008 17:57:52 GMT -5
Here ya go, Ed. Not sure what it proves except that you remain on the short list. Yes, I think you understand what I was getting at now. You were accusing mouse for having a PM that said almost exactly what yours did (If that really was yours). The only difference is that hers didn't say "Mallow changed" it said "You changed" since she is in fact Mallow, it actually makes sense grammatically. Ain't no way Idle is that industrious. Total Metagame.
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Post by special on Dec 13, 2008 19:21:47 GMT -5
Yes, I think you understand what I was getting at now. You were accusing mouse for having a PM that said almost exactly what yours did (If that really was yours). The only difference is that hers didn't say "Mallow changed" it said "You changed" since she is in fact Mallow, it actually makes sense grammatically. Ain't no way Idle is that industrious. Total Metagame. It's not a metagame to say that it makes sense grammatically. It does. When you are typing to a person, you usually don't refer to them in the third person. I wouldn't tell you something like this, " Peeker doesn't understand basic grammar." I would tell you, "You don't understand basic grammar rules." Now, if I were talking to Mitey, I would say, " Peeker doesn't understand basic grammar." And that would make sense to her. Also, if she found out that I told you, "You don't understand basic grammar rules." I think she'd understand what I was telling you. But, regardless, Your initially suspicion of Mitey was based on the fact that her PM said "You changed your Win Condition." Now, my PM also said "your win condition" My question is, why did it seem odd to you that it said " your win condition" and not town win condition? My only guess is that it's because you didn't get that PM, and it seemed odd to you. If I'm not mistaken, you also were questioning if all town got the PM early in Day 2. The obvious conclusion is that you really didn't get the PM that you belatedly claimed to get. And, the reason would most likely be because you are not Town.
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 13, 2008 19:52:53 GMT -5
Summation of living claims so far: 1) FlyingLakituOfDoom - Claimed some sort of power role. 2) MiteyMouse - Mallow - Claims that she changes the weather, but doesn't know what it does. (The PMs we get certainly seems to suggest weather change = win condition change.) 3) Almost Human - Claimed to have a "spiny" attached. Did I miss anyone? Almost Human's spiny does sound like the work of a potential "Mad Bomber" role. I don't know if Mad Bombers have a "typical" way of working, but the last time Idle proposed this role he only counted living players towards the Mad Bomber's win condition (see here) and in the Gastard Game, dead and transformed (via the Angel/Devil mechanism) players didn't count toward the Ceiling Cat's win condition, either. And Roosh had a similar "bomb attached to leg" claim during...um...one of the games, didn't he? How much weight should we give to Almost Human's claim, and subsequent claims of "I have a spiny"?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 13, 2008 19:58:25 GMT -5
Is this one of the humongous Days? I'm about to leave for the weekend to help my mom with my grandmother. I'll have internet access though. Nah. NEXT Day will be super, super long.
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Post by special on Dec 13, 2008 20:08:40 GMT -5
Summation of living claims so far: 1) FlyingLakituOfDoom - Claimed some sort of power role. 2) MiteyMouse - Mallow - Claims that she changes the weather, but doesn't know what it does. (The PMs we get certainly seems to suggest weather change = win condition change.) 3) Almost Human - Claimed to have a "spiny" attached. Did I miss anyone? Almost Human's spiny does sound like the work of a potential "Mad Bomber" role. I don't know if Mad Bombers have a "typical" way of working, but the last time Idle proposed this role he only counted living players towards the Mad Bomber's win condition (see here) and in the Gastard Game, dead and transformed (via the Angel/Devil mechanism) players didn't count toward the Ceiling Cat's win condition, either. And Roosh had a similar "bomb attached to leg" claim during...um...one of the games, didn't he? How much weight should we give to Almost Human's claim, and subsequent claims of "I have a spiny"? Almost and Shaggy are claimed vanillas
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 3:41:48 GMT -5
Ok. So we are going to sit around and collectively keep our dick's in our hand. For the girls I will use tweeter. So dicks and tweeters we have a mouse that smells like day old brie. We've got a shag rug made out of old mole skin. And we have a horse driving the short bus.
And just because I can.
Unvote whomever I have a vote on[/color][/b]
Vote Nanook
Absent that, I am up for a story lynch just on general principles,
And to see if anyone is reading.
Why do cops hate investigating hillbilly murders?
No dental records and all the DNA is the same.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 3:47:41 GMT -5
OFCS
Unvote mousetypeperson
Vote Nanook
Much more settling.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 3:59:06 GMT -5
And I've got a grandiose plan. Let's kill those who post the most. And then the sumbitch will be easy to read as the Days drag on. With no Modkills the phuquer could potentially last forever.
This is the song that never ends....
Doot flippin doot doot.
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 14, 2008 10:32:54 GMT -5
DBI Day 1 says hi then next post is this: You guys have all ragging on molefan/shaggy for giving himself more survivability by claiming on Day 1 - but come on, admit it, it always sucks to die even if your side wins. (Who me, bitter? A little. )
And now that he's been subbed, shaggy might not even play the same way.
Onto other topics - I never see any point in guessing about a closed setup on Day One. After one Day/Night cycle, sure, we'll have a better idea, but for all we know, there's a Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out of Its Ass. Nothing much here other than a reiteration of what several other players have been saying (though I do like the arse pumpkin reference). Nothing wrong with it in and of itself. Ah, the joys of playing mafia. Suspecting someone because they're too paranoid, or not paranoid enough, or because they're defending someone, or attacking someone else...
I'm still catching up, but I see that FCoD has soft-claimed a power role. For the time being I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Personally, I don't give much credence to "usual posting style" - players regardless of alignment will try different things anyway, or attempt to bank on previous reputations.
Since we now have 13 pages of content and I've otherwise been occupied working on my thesis project, I'm going to need a reread before I can cast my first vote. See you in a few... Again, more of the same, the only real difference is that it's about someone else this time. I know I'm not supposed to vote for people out of sheer visceral annoyance, but I'm getting dangerously close.
Please, please please use proper punctuation and use smaller sentences, shaggy. It's just about impossible to understand the point you're getting across. I can actually sympathise with that statement lol I've read the whole thread at least two times.
vote peekercpa
More of a gut thing than a specific post. Something about his attitude feels, I dunno, off. I still don't understand this vote. I still think it's one of those "safe" votes that can be hauled out when you feel you ought to vote for someone but either a) Don't know who to vote for or b) Are scum and want to vote for someone who won't make you look too suspicious. Then nothing for several RL days and: *is poked by Idle Thoughts* Ow! What was that for?
Yeah, I haven't said much, but toDay has been, for the large part, substance free (other than the molefan/shaggy stuff). Rather than clutter the thread up with noise I've been hanging back doing stuff pertaining to real life. Is called on this as there was plenty going on: Okay, okay, so there was more going on. I was being facetious. It's just really, really frustrating to slog through 20+ pages of stuff, at least half of which is pointless noise.
Maybe I should go back to taking notes... It really wasn't that bad IMO. Perhaps the first 10 pages or so were fairly fluff heavy but after that it was pretty substantial for the most part. If you have RL time issues then that's fine but blaming the quality of the posts for non participation is weak. Brain not working right now. Thus I am going to take a page from peeker's book and post in stream-of-consciousness.
I will be kind of flakey probably until at least Finals are over - passing classes is a little bit more important than playing mafia, sorry. (To be specific, I am NOT able to connect to the site, PERIOD, on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays; the other days of the week I'm usually not awake before 10 am.)
Floating notes: *Almost Human seemed to express a little bit of Perfect Information System with regards to FCoD's soft claim - has there been any follow up since storyteller poked at him? *Peekercpa still reads weird, and he hasn't improved at all. Why is he cluttering up the thread with apparently random statements? *Is it just me or did the bandwagon against bufftabby pile up really fast? (I'm not certain of bufftabby's alignment yet, mind you, but it still stinks of opportunism.) Then you give a RL reason for your non participation. I don't doubt it in the least but wonder why you didn't just say so in the first place rather than imply that everyone was to busy having a fluffing orgy to post anything worthwhile. You make a vague accusation against me (I'll get to that one later). You follow this with a general moan about peeker and finish off by intimating that there's something fishy going on with the votes against bufftabby. None of these things in and of themselves are particularly damning but the whole vagueness of it really pings me. You don't name names or substantiate your statements with anything. Everything you say sounds townlike on the surface yet you don't seem to commit. It's as though you're repeating what you think town should be saying. Detailed class schedule, since the blanket butt-covering statement wasn't good enough for you guys:
Tuesday: 12 - 6 pm Wednesday: 12 - 8 pm Friday: 8 am - 12 pm / 3 pm - 7 pm
...and I don't know what to make of mmouse's PFK claim. Even if he* is telling the truth about his alignment (and I doubt this very much), would he be truthful about his role?
*generic "he", not assuming mmouse to be male Nothing new here, I just figured I'd put everything in. First of all, mmouse needs to claim ASAP. (Personally, I'm very very torn, because as I've mentioned even if she might be telling the truth about being a PFK, we have no guarantee that she won't lie her face off to avoid being lynched; on the other, having been in the world's worst PFK role myself as Catwoman in Batman - yes, still bitter about that one - I'm inclined to let mmouse live for now.)
Only 1 lynch in Night 1. That indicates that we most likely have 1 Scum group.
Now, I might be reading too much into that, but could the use of "lynch" be a scum slip?
FoS Mr. Special Ed This is the only time you've really pinned someone down on anything (Mr Ed and his use of the word lynch). As I have seen it used by town on other sites I don't know how good an indication this is on here. I also don't know what allignment Mr Ed is. I do know that he's caught a fair bit of suspicion during the game though and, like peeker, is a fairly safe person to be suspicious of. I'd actually have been less suspicious of you if you'd committed to a vote but you didn't. Almost Human, what twigged my Paranoia Meter (tm) was the following:
Because it seemed to me that a town FCOD was jumping on a possible scum molefan slip.
You also earlier speculated on why MHaye got offed; in my opinion, it's not a very useful train of thought since the only ones who know for sure are scum (and obviously they're not going to share), and furthermore, I've found it to be a fairly good indicator of scum.
FoS Almost Human I've already responded to this but I'm going to repeat myself. This post was in response to my asking why DBI thought I might have Perfect Information Syncrome. In order to explain that she took a statement I made to explain which 'slip' I was talking about and used it completely out of context. For those who can't be arsed to go back and check; there was some confusion as to whether I was referring to FLOD's 'slip' which showed he may have had a power role or molefan's 'slip' where he quoted his pm which differed from the posted vanilla pm as it included his name. In order to make it clear what I was talking about I posted the very quote DBI is using to find me suspicious. (OOG) Hey, Rysto. Welcome to the crazy.
Mmouse, please start responding to the game. I know you feel intimidated, but the longer you stay quiet the harder you're making things for yourself. It would suck tremendously for you to be subbed out, especially since whomever's taking your place. (Yes, we're more likely than not aiming to hang you high, but at least go out swinging!)
(/OOG)
I have a post restriction in terms of the minimum number of posts that I must make each calendar day, and I am meeting that requirement.
Minimum? Do you have to make at least X posts per calendar day?
In that case, what's the problem? Post away!General stuff - nothing new.
Hoopy, don't you think if we had an active Vig they would have already taken MMouse out?
Except we don't know if we even have a Vig, or if there indeed is one, what he or she did last Night. (Wasn't there at least one game where a non-compulsory Vig chose not to kill on Night 1, and a minor hubbub resulted the next Day when somebody complained about this?)General game stuff Geez. I go to class for one day and you guys go through five pages of text already.
The nice part of me wants to believe that MiteyMouse is a confused newbie...the paranoid part wants to lynch her for messing up her role claim.
Whatever her powers are, they do seem to have a global effect on the entire game, and they seem to be massively swingy. That seems more like a PFK power than a Town or Scum one, but that's just my gut speaking.
vote MiteyMouse I have no problem with the vote itself though I don't personally agree that Mighty is pfk or scum. It is very safe though which by itself isn't a lot - I realise plenty of other people, whatever their allignment, will go for the safe option too. It's also kind of inconsistent. Part of you thinks she's a confused newbie and part wants to lynch her for messing up her claim (so presumably you believe it) then you go on to think she's pfk and vote her. Maybe you think all of those things are possible but which is the actual reason you're voting for her?
Probably because each PFK lynch brings us closer to lylo.
Uh...Lylo means Lynch or Lose.
FoS HoopyFroodI dunno if I'm getting tunnel vision now but you seem to me to be trying to cast your net of suspcion as wide as possible but without really getting your teeth into anything. It's like you prod something and then move onto the next target. Are you hoping that some of this mud will stick but your hands will still be clean?
Wait, what? Damnit no one EVER NK's me. Sonofa...
Actually, you did get offed on Night 1 in the LoLCats mini.
And as annoying as MiteyMouse's powers are, we might want to hold off killing her until we get the weather/win conditioned changed (again, sigh). Having it stuck on killing scum AND PFK would make the game that much harder.Game stuff - what a lot of people have already said. Summation of living claims so far: 1) FlyingLakituOfDoom - Claimed some sort of power role. 2) MiteyMouse - Mallow - Claims that she changes the weather, but doesn't know what it does. (The PMs we get certainly seems to suggest weather change = win condition change.) 3) Almost Human - Claimed to have a "spiny" attached.
Did I miss anyone?
Almost Human's spiny does sound like the work of a potential "Mad Bomber" role. I don't know if Mad Bombers have a "typical" way of working, but the last time Idle proposed this role he only counted living players towards the Mad Bomber's win condition (see here) and in the Gastard Game, dead and transformed (via the Angel/Devil mechanism) players didn't count toward the Ceiling Cat's win condition, either.
And Roosh had a similar "bomb attached to leg" claim during...um...one of the games, didn't he? How much weight should we give to Almost Human's claim, and subsequent claims of "I have a spiny"? Almost Human (me) has claimed vanilla. I'm not familiar with Roosh's appendages other than the fact that he hates shoes so I've no idea what the leg reference is about. I told everyone about the spiny because it's information. If it was attached to me by scum then they already know about it. If it was attached to me by a pfk then, well, there's a pfk with spinys running about and maybe he/she will get scum next time. If it's some random part of the game then hey, scum can start worrying about getting hit which is a good thing. How much credence should you give it? I don't see any reason why you shouldn't believe me about the spiny. Having a spiny attached to my back in no way confirms me as town and I don't expect it to. I thought it was useful or at least interesting information and so I gave it. This post is a lot longer than I'd intended so my apologies - I just didn't want to miss anything. Anyway for not really committing to anything, general vague finger pointing and a really strong feeling that she's scum: vote DBI
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Post by sinjin on Dec 14, 2008 11:56:13 GMT -5
It would be very unlikely that we only have 1 (!) scum in this game. So no way could Town win on Day 1 even if we had lynched scum. On Day 2 we did lynch a PFK - but there must have been more then one because we didn't win. And now on Day 3 our win condition is scum and PFKs. I know the WC did change - but if Idle had planned this change from before the game began and he always knew our WC in the end would be "scum and PFKs" then it hasn't had that big an impact on the game. Of course if the WC toMorrow turns out to change dramatic I would be wrong totallost I was exploring the implications of Mitey's posted PM's to tease out their truthiness. If we believe she has posted truthfully then she has no control over the win conditions and they will continue to change even if she is dead. If Mitey is being truthful then WC's will continue to change days 4-end game. Do you really not see how that would impact the game? Another question for you: As you read her posted PM's did you see any reason why she would be sooooo confused about her role that she felt the need to claim in order to get our input? Especially given that Idle specifically told her claiming would be a bad idea. Does this not make you just a little bit apprehensive about her motivations?
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