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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 12:07:40 GMT -5
I just have to say that that was a whoppin' post AH.
Mother of Og.
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Post by MiteyMouse on Dec 14, 2008 12:41:52 GMT -5
Ain't no way Idle is that industrious. Total Metagame. It's not a metagame to say that it makes sense grammatically. It does. When you are typing to a person, you usually don't refer to them in the third person. I wouldn't tell you something like this, " Peeker doesn't understand basic grammar." I would tell you, "You don't understand basic grammar rules." Now, if I were talking to Mitey, I would say, " Peeker doesn't understand basic grammar." And that would make sense to her. Also, if she found out that I told you, "You don't understand basic grammar rules." I think she'd understand what I was telling you. But, regardless, Your initially suspicion of Mitey was based on the fact that her PM said "You changed your Win Condition." Now, my PM also said "your win condition" My question is, why did it seem odd to you that it said " your win condition" and not town win condition? My only guess is that it's because you didn't get that PM, and it seemed odd to you. If I'm not mistaken, you also were questioning if all town got the PM early in Day 2. The obvious conclusion is that you really didn't get the PM that you belatedly claimed to get. And, the reason would most likely be because you are not Town. Now this is very interesting to me ED! Though something only a teacher would pick up on...hehehe! Vote Peek
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2008 13:23:59 GMT -5
totallost I was exploring the implications of Mitey's posted PM's to tease out their truthiness. If we believe she has posted truthfully then she has no control over the win conditions and they will continue to change even if she is dead. If Mitey is being truthful then WC's will continue to change days 4-end game. Do you really not see how that would impact the game? [/qoute] In the PM from Idle to MiteyM it said: I can see why you read it as you do - but I don't read it like the WC will "continue to change days 4-end game". you might be right - but I just read it as "the WC will change - sometimes and in ways MiteyM can't control". Of course I can see a change in WC making a difference - but most of the time the WC for Town is kill all scum (and sometimes all PFKs). This is what we got right now - and since we never had a chance to really WIN the game on Day 1 and 2 I felt that it reallt DIDN'T matter if the WC on day 1 and 2 had been the very same as to Day. Did I make myslef clear?? (I know what I mean - just not sure if you get it ) Another question for you: As you read her posted PM's did you see any reason why she would be sooooo confused about her role that she felt the need to claim in order to get our input? Especially given that Idle specifically told her claiming would be a bad idea. Does this not make you just a little bit apprehensive about her motivations? Yes and no *lol* I'm always "a little bit apprehensive" of anyones motivations (even Idles) - but I totally get her claim. To me - it seemed so MiteyM and I really got what she was saying (eventhough I would NEVER had said it like that myself).
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2008 13:26:11 GMT -5
I messed that up a bit - sorry! I said the: I can see why you read it as you do - but I don't read it like the WC will "continue to change days 4-end game". you might be right - but I just read it as "the WC will change - sometimes and in ways MiteyM can't control". Of course I can see a change in WC making a difference - but most of the time the WC for Town is kill all scum (and sometimes all PFKs). This is what we got right now - and since we never had a chance to really WIN the game on Day 1 and 2 I felt that it reallt DIDN'T matter if the WC on day 1 and 2 had been the very same as to Day. Did I make myslef clear?? (I know what I mean - just not sure if you get it ) Another question for you: As you read her posted PM's did you see any reason why she would be sooooo confused about her role that she felt the need to claim in order to get our input? Especially given that Idle specifically told her claiming would be a bad idea. Does this not make you just a little bit apprehensive about her motivations? Yes and no *lol* I'm always "a little bit apprehensive" of anyones motivations (even Idles) - but I totally get her claim. To me - it seemed so MiteyM and I really got what she was saying (eventhough I would NEVER had said it like that myself). [/quote]
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Post by sinjin on Dec 14, 2008 14:01:42 GMT -5
I can see why you read it as you do - but I don't read it like the WC will "continue to change days 4-end game". you might be right - but I just read it as "the WC will change - sometimes and in ways MiteyM can't control". Of course I can see a change in WC making a difference - but most of the time the WC for Town is kill all scum (and sometimes all PFKs). This is what we got right now - and since we never had a chance to really WIN the game on Day 1 and 2 I felt that it reallt DIDN'T matter if the WC on day 1 and 2 had been the very same as to Day. Did I make myslef clear?? (I know what I mean - just not sure if you get it ) Did you read this part? While I agree that the changing win condition had no effect in the early days I believe that it is a game breaker in later days. Given all the confusion Mitey has thrown into the mix the past two days I find her claims at the very least anti-town and quite possibly pro-scum. I think she is lying about her confusion and about what her PM's actually say.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 14, 2008 14:20:15 GMT -5
Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) DBI - 1 vote (Almost Human) Peekercpa - 1 vote (Total Lost)
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Post by Almost Human on Dec 14, 2008 14:55:44 GMT -5
I just have to say that that was a whoppin' post AH. Mother of Og. mmmm Whoppers! Oi Idle! 'Twas the mouse that voted peek and not Total - pull your finger out!
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 14, 2008 14:57:29 GMT -5
DBI does seem to be phoning this game in, cherry-picking at the use of those pivotal single words. AH has also put together a compelling case against her for the rest of her activity since I last voted for her on Day 1. So let's just put that vote back into effect.
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2008 15:13:50 GMT -5
While I agree that the changing win condition had no effect in the early days I believe that it is a game breaker in later days. Given all the confusion Mitey has thrown into the mix the past two days I find her claims at the very least anti-town and quite possibly pro-scum. I think she is lying about her confusion and about what her PM's actually say. Then vote for her - or me... I don't see what you want me to say or explain. I said that the change in the WC (so far) really hasn't had any impact on the game. I made it clear that I don't know if this will be true toMorrow but so far - I can't see how the change in the WC has hurt town or had a impact on the game? Do you think it has?
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2008 15:18:47 GMT -5
I just have to say that that was a whoppin' post AH. Mother of Og. mmmm Whoppers! Oi Idle! 'Twas the mouse that voted peek and not Total - pull your finger out!Is this where I FOP Idle ?? I really wanted to for a long time
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 14, 2008 15:30:55 GMT -5
DBI - 2 votes (Almost Human, Cookies) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (MiteyMouse)
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 14, 2008 15:32:28 GMT -5
DBI - 2 votes (Almost Human, Cookies) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (MiteyMouse) Oh, did that mean no FoP
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 14, 2008 17:05:44 GMT -5
This post has been bugging me for a while: psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=hello&action=display&thread=552&page=3#36461Even after I explained what the point surrounding the PFK lynches was, DBI still FOS'ed me. Because "Lylo means Lynch or Lose". Really? As if I didn't know. Here's a little scenario for her (and anyone else who doesn't get it): Going into an end game (heck, it wouldn't even have to be this endgame, it could be for any game) the numbers at the end of a Day are 4 scum, 4 town, and 2 PFK's, and no additional kills remaining. Scum takes out town that night, that leaves 4 scum, 3 town, and 2 PFK's for the next Day. Congratulations, town is at lylo. Town's win condition is "Kill all PFK." Some confirmed townie outs a PFK. Town lynches that PFK--with scum's help of course. Scum kills town that night. Game over for town, as scum control the lynch with 4 to 3 advantage. Now I'll concede that it's possible town and scum can both win if scum were to kill a PFK that last night, and town's win condition was still for all PFK to die, but we can't make any assumptions on whose win condition takes precedence over whose. This is why a lynch of a non-scum likely brings us closer to lylo regardless of our win condition. Because by not killing scum, we lower the numbers of players who aren't scum. Scum control the lynch, scum likely win. It's been that way pretty much for all scum in every game but Gastard. Because scum traitors are PFK and don't win with the rest of scum, and in Gastard, scum were all PFK traitors. I could understand someone with little experience not understanding what I'm getting at, but experienced veterans who themselves have moderated multiple games not understanding it? It's a bit hard to swallow. And her actions essentially smudged me with no real stated case so there's little she'll have to defend against. This alone is enough reason for me to vote for her. AH's analysis just reinforces it. vote DBI[/color]
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 14, 2008 17:12:03 GMT -5
What's FOP?
DBI - 3 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa) Peekercpa - 1 vote (MiteyMouse)
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Post by sinjin on Dec 14, 2008 17:21:12 GMT -5
totallost: please read hoopy's post above about how our win condition can effect the outcome of the game. Now toss in an ever-changing win condition and extrapolate. I am waiting for some other players to come in and post opinions before I vote. Rysto, KidV and Nanook haven't posted at all today. zeriel has posted once and Kat, storyteller and Chucara have only posted twice. I'm looking for more input from the peanut gallery.
If you have a problem with me stating my opinions then you vote for me.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 17:49:39 GMT -5
Lynch a non contributory member, Flippin heresy,
Lynch a player that is inconsistent. No way.
Lynch someone for grammar. Golden.
Sheepers,
Doot Doot, DootDootDootDoot.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 14, 2008 17:55:57 GMT -5
totallost: please read hoopy's post above about how our win condition can effect the outcome of the game. Now toss in an ever-changing win condition and extrapolate. I am waiting for some other players to come in and post opinions before I vote. Rysto, KidV and Nanook haven't posted at all today. zeriel has posted once and Kat, storyteller and Chucara have only posted twice. I'm looking for more input from the peanut gallery. If you have a problem with me stating my opinions then you vote for me. Yeah, sorry about that. The hangovers from the last two days were greater than expected.. I'll catch up tomorrow and post whatever opinions I have, and vote if they are strong enough.
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Post by special on Dec 14, 2008 18:01:02 GMT -5
Lynch a non contributory member, Flippin heresy, Lynch a player that is inconsistent. No way. Lynch someone for grammar. Golden. Sheepers, Doot Doot, DootDootDootDoot. Peeker, it wasn't about grammar. Here's what it boils down to: You accused Mitey of being scummy because she said that her message included, "You[Mallow] changed your win condition." Your accusation was based on the fact that she didn't claim that the message said "You[Mallow] changed the Town win condition." I believe you made this mistake because you did not get the actual message sent to Town players that said "Mallow changed your win condition." Now, maybe some messages said one thing and some said another, but mine said "...changed your win condition" here is where you brought it up initially: Early game observations. Ok sinjin you reference where the mouse says that in her Pm that "... you have changed your win condition....". My PMs merely indicate that the win condition has changed. What's up with that (and no, I am not going to track down the original post)? Either mouse is full of shit or sinjin is making stuff up. ...other stuff about other things deleted...so, do you still maintain that your PM just says that 'the' win condition changed?
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 14, 2008 18:53:19 GMT -5
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 19:23:47 GMT -5
Lynch a non contributory member, Flippin heresy, Lynch a player that is inconsistent. No way. Lynch someone for grammar. Golden. Sheepers, Doot Doot, DootDootDootDoot. Peeker, it wasn't about grammar. Here's what it boils down to: You accused Mitey of being scummy because she said that her message included, "You[Mallow] changed your win condition." Your accusation was based on the fact that she didn't claim that the message said "You[Mallow] changed the Town win condition." I believe you made this mistake because you did not get the actual message sent to Town players that said "Mallow changed your win condition." Now, maybe some messages said one thing and some said another, but mine said "...changed your win condition" here is where you brought it up initially: Early game observations. Ok sinjin you reference where the mouse says that in her Pm that "... you have changed your win condition....". My PMs merely indicate that the win condition has changed. What's up with that (and no, I am not going to track down the original post)? Either mouse is full of shit or sinjin is making stuff up. ...other stuff about other things deleted...so, do you still maintain that your PM just says that 'the' win condition changed? Did you read the fucking quote? I can't type slowly enough for you, apparently. You know if I were around your house I'd read Goodnight Moon. I just wouldn't expect a comversation about the red balloon. Take that back. Apparently Ed wants to talk about the 'ol Lady saying "shsssssh" Heepers Jeepers.
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Post by special on Dec 14, 2008 19:49:05 GMT -5
The following conversation is the reason for my vote: Early game observations. Ok sinjin you reference where the mouse says that in her Pm that "... you have changed your win condition....". My PMs merely indicate that the win condition has changed. What's up with that (and no, I am not going to track down the original post)? Either mouse is full of shit or sinjin is making stuff up. Sinjin was accurate. Therefore, you accused mitey of lying about her PM of the change in win conditions. Hey peeks ya lazy bastard. Don't be calling me out for making stuff up without even doing a simple search. The post is easy to find and memorable if you're keeping up and not skimming. Take a peek here, it's post #340. So sorry you have to page down a bit. Hope you don't dislocate a finger or whatever other appendage your typing with. Ok, the mouse does quote a fictional PM where it is her win condition that changes. Not town, but Hers. What's up with that? splice other stuff about other peopleI've seen enough and, frankly, heard enough. Vote the remaining Mouse(bolding is peeker's not mine) OK, so mitey not using town, but using a personal pronoun is reason enough for you to vote for her. That means, either you didn't bother to check your own PM for a personal pronoun or you had no PM to check because you're Scum or PFK Here ya go, Ed. Not sure what it proves except that you remain on the short list. OK, look! now you claim to have a PM with a personal pronoun! It looks a lot like the one idle posted in the Vanilla PM thread, but, it actually should look similar to that. It looks like it changed your win condition and not town win condition. That was the basis for your vote of mitey (yet), you don't vote for yourself or even FOS yourself. Then you make other posts that seem to have very little substance or deal with other topics. Until: Peeker, it wasn't about grammar. Here's what it boils down to: You accused Mitey of being scummy because she said that her message included, "You[Mallow] changed your win condition." Your accusation was based on the fact that she didn't claim that the message said "You[Mallow] changed the Town win condition." I believe you made this mistake because you did not get the actual message sent to Town players that said "Mallow changed your win condition." Now, maybe some messages said one thing and some said another, but mine said "...changed your win condition" here is where you brought it up initially: so, do you still maintain that your PM just says that 'the' win condition changed? Did you read the fucking quote? I can't type slowly enough for you, apparently. You know if I were around your house I'd read Goodnight Moon. I just wouldn't expect a comversation about the red balloon. Take that back. Apparently Ed wants to talk about the 'ol Lady saying "shsssssh" Heepers Jeepers. So, to answer your question: Yes, I've read your quote. I read your accusation and your vote. I read the reasons for it. I think you aren't Town. I think, had you been town, you would have known Mitey was actually using the pronouns correctly, and your accusation was way off. I believe you didn't have a PM to reference, because you are Scum or PFK. therefore: vote peeker
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 20:02:25 GMT -5
Whoa dude. Too much Red Bull at night can make a wanker nutsoid.
Are you in the least bit serious or you just whooshing me. I'm assuming the latter "cause no one can be that fucking stupid.
And if you are just having a bad trip, drink a beer and sleep it off dude.
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Post by special on Dec 14, 2008 20:10:32 GMT -5
Whoa dude. Too much Red Bull at night can make a wanker nutsoid. Are you in the least bit serious or you just whooshing me. I'm assuming the latter "cause no one can be that fucking stupid. And if you are just having a bad trip, drink a beer and sleep it off dude. OK, then explain this in a way that doesn't make you appear to be 'not town' in post 85 on Day 3 "My PMs merely indicate that the win condition has changed." then, in post 95 on Day 3 "Ok, the mouse does quote a fictional PM where it is her win condition that changes. Not town, but Hers. What's up with that?"
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Post by sinjin on Dec 14, 2008 20:15:13 GMT -5
Are you in the least bit serious or you just whooshing me. I'm assuming the latter "cause no one can be that fucking stupid. And if you are just having a bad trip, drink a beer and sleep it off dude. Um I must be that fucking stupid too because I just went back and checked the posts and the bolding was your addition. I did not notice that before*. vote Peeks
*Bolding, particularly in quotes, is sometimes hard for me to see depending on what computer, font and browser I am using (I go between Opera, Safari, IE and Firefox every damn day). I totally missed that during the first go round.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 14, 2008 20:28:27 GMT -5
Well sorry guys. You have me PM where it says what it says. Apparently we are on the cusp of a vanilla debacle. You seriously don't want to lynch me because that would be bad for town. But if you do, what the heck. Voted by a teacher for bad grammar and then followed up after quoting exactly my PM. I'll keep trying because that is in the interest of town, and hence, my win condition. But you know what guys myopia is never healthy. And if I ride the lightning then look at the herders. You've got one in the hand.
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Post by special on Dec 14, 2008 21:06:52 GMT -5
Well sorry guys. You have me PM where it says what it says. Apparently we are on the cusp of a vanilla debacle. You seriously don't want to lynch me because that would be bad for town. But if you do, what the heck. Voted by a teacher for bad grammar and then followed up after quoting exactly my PM. I'll keep trying because that is in the interest of town, and hence, my win condition. But you know what guys myopia is never healthy. And if I ride the lightning then look at the herders. You've got one in the hand. Why do you keep skipping the real question? Why did you question Mitey and then vote for her on the wording of her PM when what she said was just what you say your PM said?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 14, 2008 21:14:11 GMT -5
I know that this is going to look like a OMGUS but, Santo has been riding me really had for most of Day 2 and today...and then just dropped his vote on me? He called me anti-town and Mitey Scum in the same post but, drops the vote? I'm confused as to why if he is so sure that I'm Scum... Did you seriously not read the post in which I unvoted? Here it is, so you don't have to go look for it: I don't think we should vote MiteyMouse. looking at this I'd guess town at least is on a semi-cyclical win condition. A 3 day pattern, maybe more, but lets look at is a three day pattern day 1: kill all scum day 2: kill all pfk day 3: kill all scum and pfk and then reset there may be more in there and it may be more random but could we at least contemplate that as a possibility. I hadn't thought of this, but it's a good point. I still think she is anti town, but I'm willing to wait a Day to lynch her. Unvote MiteyScumMaybe it's just because I wrote my own post, so knew exactly what I meant, but upon reread it's pretty darn clear to me what my reason was for unvoting. I'm not sure what you're wondering about?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 14, 2008 21:31:03 GMT -5
Sorry I've been quiet recently. Finals reading period was this week, and then I've got them all on tomorrow, so I'vew been a bit busy. I'll do a re-read tomorrow once everything is done.
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Post by shaggy on Dec 14, 2008 23:00:26 GMT -5
Hey everybody, I have to say, I voted DBI on day 1 cause I thought she was scummie and now with that long post by AH . which I won't repeat, since there is no point to. I am fairly confidant in voting that way again. Though I do see the verry good point Mr special ed , made towards peek . So not today but I will certainly keep an eye out for possible tomorrow. So for today.
vote DBI
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Post by Nanook on Dec 15, 2008 0:13:33 GMT -5
Sorry for not being around the last few days. I was spending some quality time with my wife. On the bright side, my wife faction is now maxxed out. Vote NanookAbsent that, I am up for a story lynch just on general principles, Bwuh? No reasons, no explantions, just vote and then randomly throw in a pseudo-attack on story for good measure? Some sort of weird OMGUS I guess. Interesting that this now the second time you had an issue with apparently not receiving a town PM. And once again, after a few days pass, you suddenly know exactly what people are talking about. If you aren't scum, I'll be surprised. vote peeker[/color]
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