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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 15, 2008 1:28:37 GMT -5
DBI - 4 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood, shaggy) Peekercpa - 4 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa)
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 15, 2008 3:15:53 GMT -5
totallost: please read hoopy's post above about how our win condition can effect the outcome of the game. Now toss in an ever-changing win condition and extrapolate. I am waiting for some other players to come in and post opinions before I vote. Rysto, KidV and Nanook haven't posted at all today. zeriel has posted once and Kat, storyteller and Chucara have only posted twice. I'm looking for more input from the peanut gallery. If you have a problem with me stating my opinions then you vote for me. I don't have a problem with you at all But I think we'll never ever agree on the WC-discussion. You seem pretty certain that only the WC for Town is changing - I'm not so sure this is true (but unless some scum or PFKs tells us this - we'll never know). So why don't we just agree on dis-agreeing for now?
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 15, 2008 3:43:14 GMT -5
I find the peeker-situation and the PMs very interesting!!
Vote Peeker
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Post by Chucara on Dec 15, 2008 4:17:11 GMT -5
Just did a complete reread of the day, and I agree with the current votes that the two best targets are peeker and DBI:
- Peeker has his posting style, and is quite consistant with it. I still think, however that it is anti-town, as it is noisy. Basically I feel the only reason he does it is to be able to hide when he is scum. He might not be in this game, but we'll never know when he is because he never makes much sense. Then there's the whole confusion about the role PM, which I can see could be a scum slip. However, if he was scum, I think he'd be very sure about reading the vanilla town PM on display before venturing into such a discussion.
- DBI seems to be hiding in the shadows, not posting anything "dangerous". Lurking even after having been the target of discussion on earlier days.
For the reasons above (and because noone else pings me strongly at the moment), I vote DBI
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Post by The Real FCOD on Dec 15, 2008 8:42:22 GMT -5
Wow, so many suspicious characters around to choose from toDay!
First, MiteyMouse: I suspect she is lying about the "the win condition will keep changing after I die" part. It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me that a role power would continue to change the game after the player is dead. It makes perfect sense as a way to say, "killing me won't do anything." I don't think we should lynch her toDay; we should wait at least until the win condition is more favorable to the Town like storyteller suggested.
Next, DBI: I am still highly suspicious of her playstyle this game. I understand she has finals and little time to log on etc etc, but it seems like she's just echoing what others are saying and not really PLAYING the game. I don't know if that's scummy or not but it has certainly piqued my interest. I would vote for her toDay if there wasn't someone more suspicious, like...
Peeker: I'm not sure if you really don't understand why people are voting for you or you're just trying to deflect, but (as GOB would say) come on! I didn't notice your slip at first but once it was pointed out it seems pretty damning to me. It wouldn't be so bad if you just misremembered your PM, but you used it as evidence to be suspicious for someone else! To me, that seriously indicates a condition I like to call, "scum-itis." Anyway, count me on board the peekwagon. Vote Peekercpa
Finally, sorry I wasn't around at all for the whole weekend. It's going to be a recurring theme for me to be absent on Saturdays and Sundays for a while...but it shouldn't affect my overall performance in the game.
--FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 15, 2008 11:12:40 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 6 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, Total Lost, FLOD) DBI - 5 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood, shaggy, Chucara) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa)
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Post by Gir! on Dec 15, 2008 11:16:51 GMT -5
It's not so much the "win condition slip" that makes peeker suspicious, it's his reactions afterward. I have no difficulty imagining a scenario where a Townie mis-remembers the win condition, reads Mitey's posts, and jumps on a perceived slip without checking.
Only thing is, such a Townie would have corrected such a situation by explaining the misperception or, at the very least, by not trying to twist Ed's suspicions into "Lynch someone for grammar".
Vote peeker.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 15, 2008 11:56:52 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 7 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, Total Lost, FLOD, Kat) DBI - 5 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood, shaggy, Chucara) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa)
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Post by Total Ullz on Dec 15, 2008 14:44:46 GMT -5
We are 25 players left and only 13 has voted so far... I know I didn't vote before today but I really think we might need people to start voting soon... There seems to be people enought to vote for - so if someone don't want to vote for peeker or DBI just saying why NOT to vote would be a good thing IMO (I'm sorry - I just love the SANTO-smiley - whoops - SANT A-smiley)
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Dec 15, 2008 15:11:19 GMT -5
I'm still somewhat suspicious of peeker's comment early on about not getting a PM--the whole trap statement reeks of backpedaling. With the new evidence, I'm comfortable with
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Post by Zeriel on Dec 15, 2008 16:10:43 GMT -5
Sorry for the absence, work's been hard today and I was out of town this weekend to see the Flyers game. I'm seriously considering voting peeks because, while his incoherence isn't bothering me any more, his belligerence has been grating on me.
I'm going to go back and do a reread of a few people and see--I'm not opposed to a peeks lynch. I'm less convinced of DBI but she has kinda been phoning it in, but that's a question of whether you want to let her plead RL issues or not.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Dec 15, 2008 16:28:51 GMT -5
Peekercpa - 8 votes (MiteyMouse, Mr Special Ed, sinjin, Nanook, Total Lost, FLOD, Kat, Pedescribe) DBI - 5 votes (Almost Human, Cookies, Hoopy Frood, shaggy, Chucara) Nanook - 1 vote (Peekercpa)
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Post by Death By Irony on Dec 15, 2008 16:29:44 GMT -5
Catching a quick sanity break between projects to check in and stuff.
Almost Human - My apologies, that was a genuine misunderstanding on my part because I didn't crunch the numbers after the first time you explained yourself, and your initial statement did make you sound like you were a PFK. (But a vote in response to a mere FoS? You wound me, dude.)
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Dec 15, 2008 17:18:33 GMT -5
I'm less convinced of DBI but she has kinda been phoning it in, but that's a question of whether you want to let her plead RL issues or not. What about her baseless smudge of me? That can't just be explained away due to RL issues. That's an actual question of mafia strategy. The fact that she didn't make much of a case can be chalked up to RL issues, but the fact that the case even was mentioned does not.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 15, 2008 18:17:13 GMT -5
I swear I will post something substantive tonight. I keep meaning to, and other stuff is everywhere right now. Sorry.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 15, 2008 20:03:24 GMT -5
Day one: Debacle debacle
Day two: vanilla (almost) debacle
Day three: pronoun debacle
You saw my PM. Mallow changed my win condition. If this is not the same as yours then fry me. I know it wasn't the same as the mouse.
When I send a group PM it's pretty generic.
Say I have a meeting for the finance folks I'll send something out to the group that looks like this.
Finance team: there will be a meeting in the morning to discuss current financial metrics.
I certainly don't send a specific e-mail to each member of the team like this:
Peek. Big meeting in the am and we need your experise on liquidity issues.
And then another:
Special Ed. We've got a high level strategy meeting in the morning. I need you to pick up donuts and then fetch my dry cleaning.
Yeeps.
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Post by special on Dec 15, 2008 20:17:19 GMT -5
peeker, you're not getting it., or your pretending not to get it.
I've posted it enough. I think it's clear, because other people seem to be able to follow it.
Look back at where you accused Mitey. Look at why you accused Mitey, then look at the PM you claimed to get from Idle.
I don't think I need to go into this further. You seem to be a smart guy. I'm really not seeing how you could have said what you did unless you are Scum or PFK.
I'll try not to go into this anymore. It just seems to be going in circles.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 15, 2008 20:30:40 GMT -5
And you know this whole static thing is, I guess, left field for me. When you look at pure fluff I'd hazzard to guess that my percentages are middle of the pack. Sure do I use some humor in my posts. Are some references cryptic, absolutely. Do they challenge and make people think, most assuredly. I guess this crowd is much more MNF Cossell than Miller.
Explanation: MNF = Monday Night Football. It's a big deal for a significant portion of the populace over here in the states.
Cosell use to be an announcer and was pretty simplistic in his anlysis. MNF was the highest ranked shows on TV for several years. His sidekick Meredith was just a good ol' boy that played the buffoon. It just got eaten up like fresh cheesecake.
Fast forward. MNF ratings are going in the tank so they get Dennis Miller of SNL fame to do color. Boy did that fail. No way folks want to participate in any cererbral exercise. The son of a gun had the audacity to use multi - syllable words.
Yikes.
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Post by Gir! on Dec 15, 2008 21:12:25 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, peeker, did you actually forget what you posted?
You voted Mitey for the words "your win condition" in her PM (claiming it should have said "town" and not "your"). The PM by Idle (which you claimed to have gotten) said...yep, "your win condition". You are the one who voted to lynch someone over pronoun trouble. Other people are voting you on suspicion of lying about having received that PM, since you were wrong about what it said.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 15, 2008 21:28:27 GMT -5
And just to let you know where I am at. NAF pms the new win condition at 341 with the admonishment not to discuss until Day start. He posts the same durn thing to the niller role at 342. And at 343 the day starts. I think we have to deeply discount our Mod analysis since apparently Idle is channeling [/b]peek[/b] from his college days...[/quote] peek, correct me if I'm wrong, but you meant Idle, not NAF, in this post, right?
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 15, 2008 21:30:38 GMT -5
Everybody voting for peeker should note that the above quoted post was posted before the squabble with SpEd.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 15, 2008 21:39:37 GMT -5
And just to let you know where I am at. NAF pms the new win condition at 341 with the admonishment not to discuss until Day start. He posts the same durn thing to the niller role at 342. And at 343 the day starts. I think we have to deeply discount our Mod analysis since apparently Idle is channeling [/b]peek[/b] from his college days...[/quote] peek, correct me if I'm wrong, but you meant Idle, not NAF, in this post, right?[/quote] Yep you are right it was Idle. Don't know why I have so much difficulty beteen him an NAF. Same thing with Kat and cookies. Needless to say anyone who got the PM can verify the time stamp as well as the subject line which I previously posted.
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Post by Gir! on Dec 15, 2008 21:54:48 GMT -5
Well, then, care to explain the "your win condition" vote for Mitey?
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 15, 2008 21:55:18 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, peeker, did you actually forget what you posted? You voted Mitey for the words "your win condition" in her PM (claiming it should have said "town" and not "your"). The PM by Idle (which you claimed to have gotten) said...yep, "your win condition". You are the one who voted to lynch someone over pronoun trouble. Other people are voting you on suspicion of lying about having received that PM, since you were wrong about what it said. Ok apparently I was not as clear and a wee bit confused. I was merely trying to make the observation that her win condition PM was not identical to mine based on sinjin's quoting of mouse which was exactly what showed up in the niller town role. And I don't know exactly how PMs work on a message board like this. Am making an assumption that they work like Outlook groups. In which case I am picking a group rather than each individual. In which case all PMs would be identical. Repeat ad infinitum. You guys/gals do whatever you deem necessary. I truly don't give a rats. Other than the town is making a mistake. You know I really tried to play this one a little more straight up. And now it will the first time that I get lynched. And to top it off since I am town - I think you guys/gals have taught me a lesson I should have probably been taught long ago. Tabby coming to see you my dear.
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Post by Rysto on Dec 15, 2008 22:02:18 GMT -5
So, apparently I haven't posted at all toDay. The peeker train looks solid to me. peeker's initial accusation of Mitey indicates that he didn't get the PM I got. His reaction since then looks like he's just trying to muddy the waters. My vote will probably end up going in that direction. I'm going back and forth on the DBI case. It reminds me of the case against Freudian in YSI(Mmmm, waffles). I really want to hear a full response from her. I can think of reasonable pro-Town reasons for her actions, well, not really pro-Town reasons as much as "reasons a Townie might act like that". But I think back to NAF's theory of scum motivations and well, Total's case ends up with a whole lot of checkmarks in the "scum" category. Hm. Day's nearly over and all I've managed is a "me too". I will do better in the future, I swear.
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Post by special on Dec 15, 2008 22:04:30 GMT -5
Everybody voting for peeker should note that the above quoted post was posted before the squabble with SpEd. isn't squabble a bit of a strong word?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Dec 15, 2008 22:10:20 GMT -5
I fully support a peeker lynch, but will keep my vote on the scummiest (imho) player.
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Post by Nanook on Dec 15, 2008 22:10:33 GMT -5
Everybody voting for peeker should note that the above quoted post was posted before the squabble with SpEd. And everyone not voting for him should realize this is the SECOND time he apparently failed to receive a town PM. We went through this yesterday at the beginning of the Day as well, only then it got ignored/forgotten in the admitted PFK dealio.
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Post by Gir! on Dec 15, 2008 22:24:48 GMT -5
Ok apparently I was not as clear and a wee bit confused. I was merely trying to make the observation that her win condition PM was not identical to mine based on sinjin's quoting of mouse which was exactly what showed up in the niller town role. I repeat: "Jesus Christ, peeker, did you actually forget what you posted?" In case you did, here it is: Please quote the portion of the Vanilla WC-change PM that says "town" rather than "your". You claimed a specific difference, not just a difference. And that specific claimed difference did not exist. I'm wondering now if scum got a PM notification that said "MALLOW HAS CHANGED TOWN'S WIN CONDITION!" (or maybe "THE TOWN WIN CONDITION" or the like) and peeker assumed that Town got the identical wording.
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Post by Santo Rugger on Dec 15, 2008 22:26:29 GMT -5
Everybody voting for peeker should note that the above quoted post was posted before the squabble with SpEd. And everyone not voting for him should realize this is the SECOND time he apparently failed to receive a town PM. We went through this yesterday at the beginning of the Day as well, only then it got ignored/forgotten in the admitted PFK dealio. But he didn't, IMHO. He posted that he got the PM in the above quoted post.
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