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Post by Almost Human on Jan 9, 2009 5:27:20 GMT -5
Regarding Nanook's wondering whether we still had pfks. It is odd the win condition didn't change toDay to "kill all pfks".
It's even odder that it didn't change at all.
But with all these spineys I guess we have to assume there's a pfk out there - it doesn't sound much like a scum power though I wouldn't rule it out entirely.
I'm looking forward to reading the pms. And hoping I'll still be up when it's my turn (damn BST)
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Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 9, 2009 5:50:24 GMT -5
I did not get any PMs last Night from Idle.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 9, 2009 6:33:35 GMT -5
vote Almost HumanBy the way thanks for investigating me hoopy - the suspicion on me would've caused a distraction otherwise so i'm glad that's out of the way. Now just in case cos Idle's a tricky bugger: Is there an unvote threshold for a hammer Idle? ie if someone reaches a certain number of unvotes are they automatically lynched?Just covering the bases so Kid doesn't get accidentally mod killed For the second time... Nooooo.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 9, 2009 6:34:46 GMT -5
KidV - 16 votes Kat - 16 votes Nanook - 16 votes Hoopy Frood - 16 votes MiteyMouse - 15 votes Almost Human - 15 votes sinjin - 10 votes misterblockey - 10 votes Cookies - 10 votes Total Lost - 9 votes Zeriel - 9 votes
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 9, 2009 7:29:10 GMT -5
The reason it's silly is because there's still the slight possibility of lylo and just blanket dropping the unconfirmed makes even subtle last ditch manipulation possible. You misunderstand. (Whether intentional or not.) Nowhere did I say we need a blanket drop on the unconfirmed. If I wanted that, I'd just have the confirmed do it. I wanted the unconfirmed to go on record with the one unconfirmed they thought was the best lynch choice. The confirmed outnumber the unconfirmed, which means our block is more powerful than yours. And there is at least one town among you. But your block is more important than us, because you are unknown. But if you don't want to play, so be it. It's not like I can make you.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 9, 2009 8:22:20 GMT -5
One more idea. I think all unconfirmed should unvote one of the other unconfirmeds. I think the order should be based on random.org as well. Feel free to justify your unvote or not. Can you generate us another list, KidV? Sure... whats this going to do, though? 5. Zeriel 21. Cookies 18. misterblockey 13. Sinjin 3. Total Lost - vanilla I get the fact that a unvote would give us information (as a real vote would in a normal Day) - but I can't see the reason for this unvoting-list. The data we get in the vote records are somewhat based on WHEN they are placed. If we just do it by a list I fear we might lose/confuse some informations.
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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 9, 2009 8:56:48 GMT -5
Sure... whats this going to do, though? 5. Zeriel 21. Cookies 18. misterblockey 13. Sinjin 3. Total Lost - vanilla I get the fact that a unvote would give us information (as a real vote would in a normal Day) - but I can't see the reason for this unvoting-list. The data we get in the vote records are somewhat based on WHEN they are placed. If we just do it by a list I fear we might lose/confuse some informations. True, but it also puts pressure on people not to actively lurk. Each of the unconfirmeds needs to be active for town to win. However, for most of the unconfirmeds, being active is not in their best interests. But as I said, I can't force you to do it.
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Post by Total Ullz on Jan 9, 2009 9:01:36 GMT -5
I get the fact that a unvote would give us information (as a real vote would in a normal Day) - but I can't see the reason for this unvoting-list. The data we get in the vote records are somewhat based on WHEN they are placed. If we just do it by a list I fear we might lose/confuse some informations. True, but it also puts pressure on people not to actively lurk. Each of the unconfirmeds needs to be active for town to win. However, for most of the unconfirmeds, being active is not in their best interests. But as I said, I can't force you to do it. I like the idea of the unvote - but I didn't get the list. If you all want me to, I'll wait with my unvote till last. But if I'm lynch or NK then I would think the time og my unvote could give more informations. But I'll wait for now.
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Post by Zeriel on Jan 9, 2009 9:43:16 GMT -5
Since I don't have much else to go on, I'm going to give an admittedly weak unvote totallost.
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Post by Zeriel on Jan 9, 2009 9:43:59 GMT -5
I was very close to writing up a fake PM claiming to be bacon with powers of "delicious" but that's more of a night fluff thing. =P
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 10:13:06 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 9, 2009 10:13:06 GMT -5
I would think the time og my unvote. You want to unvote Og? (Sorry, SDMB reference. Incidentally, ever notice the similarity between the abbreviations SDMB and SMB?)
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 10:29:47 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 9, 2009 10:29:47 GMT -5
I bread-crumbed this when I confirmed Night zero, post 12 page 1:
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 11:50:48 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 9, 2009 11:50:48 GMT -5
Maybe I'm dense, how does *woof* relate to your role?
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 12:12:14 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 9, 2009 12:12:14 GMT -5
In the last game I claimed Timmy and Lassie and Strongman.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 12:31:27 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 9, 2009 12:31:27 GMT -5
So, you're completely unkillable?
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 12:41:44 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 9, 2009 12:41:44 GMT -5
Just once.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 12:48:38 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 9, 2009 12:48:38 GMT -5
Once each, or just once overall?
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 12:53:36 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 9, 2009 12:53:36 GMT -5
Just once over-all.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 13:23:55 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 9, 2009 13:23:55 GMT -5
That was supposed to be a breadcrumb? I never would've figured it out in a million years...
Blockey has given us a name claim and said he's vanilla, but I'd like to see a PM quote like the rest of us.
I am not willing to rule out the continued presence of a PFK since the spineys still have not been explained. The lack of changed WC is odd, but maybe Idle only ever intended to go through one cycle of the different WCs?
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 13:35:16 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 9, 2009 13:35:16 GMT -5
Oh is it my turn now.
Woohoo, this is clearly a critical issue.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 13:35:16 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 9, 2009 13:35:16 GMT -5
Idle thought it was funny.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 13:48:49 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 9, 2009 13:48:49 GMT -5
Critical, no, but I think it is only fair that you be exposed to the same level of PM fine-toothed-combing as the rest of us.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 14:34:22 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 9, 2009 14:34:22 GMT -5
Could someone explain the "unconfirmed unvote one of each other in random order thing" in more detail. I'm not sure what information this is supposed to net us. It seems like a completely artificial methodology that will stifle conversation rather than stimulate it.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 14:50:08 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 9, 2009 14:50:08 GMT -5
Could someone explain the "unconfirmed unvote one of each other in random order thing" in more detail. I'm not sure what information this is supposed to net us. It seems like a completely artificial methodology that will stifle conversation rather than stimulate it. Hoopy is asking each of the unconfirmed to vote one of the other unconfirmed. I don't see the harm in it, but personally, I'd much rather see you all, you know, playing the game. No offense, but Cookies is the only one of you thats made any real effort at all Today, and I'd like to see more from her too. You can add a couple of our confirmeds to that list too, but its incumbent on those of you that are unconfirmed Town to roll up your sleeves and get dirty. Probably 60% of the unconfirmed are non-town, and will be more than content to sit quiet if you let them. So, unconfirmed Town, its up to you. Start digging, build a case, give the rest of us something to evaluate (Kat, Miteymouse, you guys too). Nanook doesn't talk much. Hoopy won't be talking much, because he doesn't want to give away who he's suspicious of. I'm going to be practically offline for the next 10 days while I'm on vacation. Your turn.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 15:20:52 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 9, 2009 15:20:52 GMT -5
It was the whole, one unvote at one time in a particular order. And it wasn't my turn to unvote one of my fellow unconfirmed so I was basically sitting on my hands.
I'm going to
unvote: Mr. Blockey unvote: Zeriel
I don't think either one of them has contributed much thru-out the game. Mr. Blockey says he had real life problems, fine, sub out. Zeriel has mainly sniped at other players but not done much else. And I'm still suspicious of totallost so I may as well unvote her too.
unvote: totallost
I've gotten no scummy vibes off of Cookies. If she turns up scum again it will be proof positive I have a mal-functioning scum-o-meter.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 16:15:36 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 9, 2009 16:15:36 GMT -5
Ok, at this point I'm going to have to Unvote Zeriel, and here's why:
My quoted PM (which was posted prior to Zeriel's):
Zeriel's quoted PM:
There is just too much in common not to take notice. I've been trying to dig up claims from past Days threads, but it is a tedious pain in the ass. Here are the others that were shared or linked to toDay though:
Blockey:
Sinjin:
Total Lost:
Special Ed:
AH:
Hoopy:
A more exhaustive comparison might be necessary, but it is enough for me to lay down a vote against Zeriel at this time.
There are definitely areas of the PMs that appear to be exactly the same for everyone, but nowhere else have I seen (that I am aware of) exactly the same phrasing in the color paragraph like you have with My PM and Zeriels: "no powers or special abilities to speak of". Then there's the mustache thing too, which is less of a tell I suppose, considering there are lots of mustaches in the Mario Bros 'verse, but again that color description seems to be somewhat unique for everyone else, except when you compare Zeriel and I.
I think he may have copied parts of my PM and made it just 'obvious' enough to try and make a WIFOM screen.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 16:46:25 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 9, 2009 16:46:25 GMT -5
It was the whole, one unvote at one time in a particular order. And it wasn't my turn to unvote one of my fellow unconfirmed so I was basically sitting on my hands. Okay, so in retrospect, it was a bad idea. Mea culpa.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 16:50:15 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 9, 2009 16:50:15 GMT -5
I've gotten no scummy vibes off of Cookies. If she turns up scum again it will be proof positive I have a mal-functioning scum-o-meter. The thing we have to remember is the most important person to lynch toDay is the bomber. So if anything, we need to pin down the person who was playing closest to what Chucara/Special Ed were doing. So while looking for scum is fine, it's not our best choice. If scum have a spiny, we are at lylo to the bomber. If scum don't, we have one mislynch before lylo to him.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 16:55:10 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 9, 2009 16:55:10 GMT -5
Special Ed's claim shouldn't be used as comparison. He made it up from scratch. Unless you want to use it as a comparison for anyone else's made up PM.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 17:01:02 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 9, 2009 17:01:02 GMT -5
Yes true. Sorry about that, and dropping that one from the sample doesn't change my conclusion. Similar to when I listed already dead players while trying to remember who was in the game when we got split up, I just made a pass and grabbed as many role PM quotes as I could find.
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