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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 18:35:43 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 9, 2009 18:35:43 GMT -5
KidV - 16 votes Kat - 16 votes Nanook - 16 votes Hoopy Frood - 16 votes MiteyMouse - 15 votes Almost Human - 15 votes sinjin - 10 votes Cookies - 10 votes misterblockey - 9 votes Total Lost - 8 votes Zeriel - 7 votes
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 21:49:35 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 9, 2009 21:49:35 GMT -5
Because y'all are being so damn quiet, I'm plugging Shay's new song down in the general forums.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 23:47:13 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 9, 2009 23:47:13 GMT -5
OK I finally start talking more than a little and it gets dismissed as nothing...
I'm feeling a little cranky about that.
I have to say I'm still feeling the zeriel or total lost lynch, much more zeriel now with the notes about his pm.
You all are assuming that the bomber has to get only 50% I thought in most cases it was either 100% or no one can stop him, in which case the worry is only to kill the bomber before we hit all scum.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 23:52:03 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 9, 2009 23:52:03 GMT -5
Thanks for posting your PM, blockey. As you can see I was doing some research...
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 23:52:52 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 9, 2009 23:52:52 GMT -5
I dunno, Cookies, if I was planning on making shit up, I could have just as easily done what you just did there--I mean, it's not like that sort of thing happens EVERY TIME on this board.
Still, you do what you gotta do--in your shoes, I'd be kinda suspicious too.
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Day Six
Jan 9, 2009 23:55:26 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 9, 2009 23:55:26 GMT -5
What I just did where?
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 0:06:11 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 10, 2009 0:06:11 GMT -5
You all are assuming that the bomber has to get only 50% I thought in most cases it was either 100% or no one can stop him, in which case the worry is only to kill the bomber before we hit all scum. According to the MafiaScum Wiki, it only requires a simple majority. Granted, Idle could have adjusted that, but it's best to assume worst-case scenario. And worst-case scenario says we're at lylo. If there are 5 spinies out there, we lose at Dusk should we not get him. If there are 4 spinies, we lose at dawn, barring the following unlikely situations: 1) Doctor protects one of the confirmed townies unlikely to be night killed, and bomber targets him, assuming the doctor protects against everything and not just kills. The thing is, if we're not at lylo, that opens me up to be killed, which isn't too big of a deal at this point for beating the scum, but if we're not at lylo, I can still possibly find the bomber toNight (because we will be a lylo toMorrow if the spiny goes through). 2) Scum kill a spinied confirmed. I think we can pretty much rule that one out.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 0:09:58 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 10, 2009 0:09:58 GMT -5
Correction: Actually, if we're at lylo with 4 spinies, the bomber will pretty much target anyone. It doesn't matter who because he only has to just land one. He could even target the unconfirmed, because scum won't likely kill from there and the doctor won't protect from there.
So pretty much unless the only spinies out there are the 3 claimed by town, we are lylo.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 3:25:06 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 10, 2009 3:25:06 GMT -5
Done a simple look-through of past PMs to compare and hand-craft a fake one.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 3:38:26 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 10, 2009 3:38:26 GMT -5
Lemme clarify that. If I wanted to make shit up, given that we are all pretty perceptive and anal-retentive people, and it was midday and I was coffee-enabled, and you just proved how easy it was to find extant examples of vanilla PMs without much effort...why would I have created from scratch such an obvious PM if I was making crap up?
I realize that this is only a slightly more on-point version of the Chewbacca defense. Take it or leave it, as I also know I have no way to prove that I'm who I say I am and given I just chewed BlaM's ass off about that on the Dope I'm not damnfool enough to squawk any further here.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 3:45:06 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 10, 2009 3:45:06 GMT -5
And I just had a scary damn thought. People have unlimited votes. Usually, people can vote for themselves. People can have unlimited unvotes, and they can go negative.
Essentially, as I read this, who we lynch today is going to be determined solely by the last guy online when the Day ends, if they're willing to spam votes/unvotes rapidly.
If we're sitting pretty, that's not a big deal, because someone's just painted a huge target on their ass.
If we're at LyLo, or one-away-from-bomber-win, we are screwed in any number of delicious ways.
Thoughts on how to deal with this?
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 3:56:41 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jan 10, 2009 3:56:41 GMT -5
Riiiiiiight...A fake one that exactly resembles only portions of a post that wasn't posted until after mine. *dubious smiley*
Some possibilities...
a) I was somehow able to spy on your PM and made sure to claim before you did, so that I could claim to be the original.
b) We're in collusion and this is all an elaborate con.
c) We're both town and it is just an innocent coincidence.
d) You copied my PM to try and implicate me in some sort of guilt by association
e) You made a sloppy and lazy scum play of trying to blend by copying bits and pieces of other PMs, but somehow you ended up with two bits from mine, and only common denominator stuff from everyone else.
It wasn't very subtle. I'd like to think that other people noticed and either didn't say anything, or they would have noticed. I'd like to think you noticed how similar they were compared to other people's posted PMs, but you didn't mention anything when you claimed.
My occam's razor points pretty clearly at somewhere in the d) and e) areas.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 6:39:23 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 10, 2009 6:39:23 GMT -5
*whistles*
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 9:10:21 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jan 10, 2009 9:10:21 GMT -5
IRL makes it very difficult for me to do a great big analysis and give you all my thoughts about everybody based on quotes. I'm really sorry and hope I might get some time tomorrow (sorry). I did (and still do) find zeriel's behaviour on Day 1 scummy. But since Santo behaved much the same way (and he really was scum) I'm not as convinced now as I was before. I still reather see a Zeriel-lynch the a me-lynch (because I know what I'm - and still not sure what he is). Sinjin seems determined to see me as scummy (no matter what I do or explain). Not in it self a scummy-thing - but I starting to feel that it a very easy way to play. Just keeping saying that I must be scum. Santo went after me on more then one occasion - that he was scum don't make me anything - but I can't help feeling I was a easy target because scum could be sure Sinjin would back them up in that lynch. Cookie has a nice point about the PM's - but NO WAY I'll place a vote on a little detail in a PM (whooops - I already made that mistake in another game ) So for now I'm going to unvote ZerielI still feel MisterB's vote on Shaggy was strange - he hadn't really been that much after Shaggy in previous Days. But we all got to admit that the way Shaggy played could at times be very confusing. And since we in the air - I'll try to see if I can fly: (sorry - I just think the smily fits very well with the theme of this Day)
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 12:14:28 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jan 10, 2009 12:14:28 GMT -5
I think it's my turn now:
Do you know that it's fun to say "Goomba"? Goomba. Goomba Goomba Goomba. Goomba Goomba Goomba Goomba Goomba.
I really wanted to do that since the beginning.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 14:52:55 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 10, 2009 14:52:55 GMT -5
Riiiiiiight...A fake one that exactly resembles only portions of a post that wasn't posted until after mine. *dubious smiley* Some possibilities... a) I was somehow able to spy on your PM and made sure to claim before you did, so that I could claim to be the original. b) We're in collusion and this is all an elaborate con. c) We're both town and it is just an innocent coincidence. d) You copied my PM to try and implicate me in some sort of guilt by association e) You made a sloppy and lazy scum play of trying to blend by copying bits and pieces of other PMs, but somehow you ended up with two bits from mine, and only common denominator stuff from everyone else. It wasn't very subtle. I'd like to think that other people noticed and either didn't say anything, or they would have noticed. I'd like to think you noticed how similar they were compared to other people's posted PMs, but you didn't mention anything when you claimed. My occam's razor points pretty clearly at somewhere in the d) and e) areas. Uh, I wasn't accusing you of sniping my PM, I was saying that you proved how easy it would be to NOT be similar to your PM if one was making shit up. I'm reasonably sure the answer is C) here, unless you're scum playing with me. I see snips of common turns of a phrase to all the PMs posted so far, and with all the characters out there I'm not exactly putting it past Idle to be lazy*cough*I mean efficient enough to C&P phrases/structure across the vanillas--the phrase "...other powers to speak of", etc.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 15:32:39 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 10, 2009 15:32:39 GMT -5
c) We're both town and it is just an innocent coincidence. I'm reasonably sure the answer is C) here, unless you're scum playing with me. How are you reasonably sure? There can't be more than 3 townies among the last five, it is highly unlikely that are more than 2, and I give it even odds that there are more than 1. So you're basically saying that the TL, sinjin, and blockey are scum or the bomber. So which do you think is which? Unless you want to explain why you think there are 3 townies in the remaining group.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 15:48:05 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 10, 2009 15:48:05 GMT -5
Okay, so a little more about the Hatter mechanic.
First of all, I want to apologize to Town for investigating a spinied person. I figured AH for town, which is why I investigated her. However, at the time I didn't realize the potential threat the bomber presented. Otherwise, I would have investigated some other unconfirmed, and we could no-brain lynch AH toDay to take out a spiny. (At this point, as KidV mentioned, it's pointless to lynch confirmed spinies, because we're only reducing our numbers while learning nothing new.) In my defense, the bomb mechanic used in the first game I played in--Mad Hatter in Arkham--required all living players to be hatted. But Hatter got two free hats to distribute on night 0. Then there was bufftabby's lolcat, who needed all hatted to exceed the number of townies remaining. Both are harder conditions to pull off then simple majority. So I didn't realize until toDay when KidV mentioned that the bomber is a real threat that the regular mechanic according to the MafiaScum wiki is simple majority of all players. So if anyone wants to metagame on what you think Idle is shooting for with the wincon for the bomber, feel free. I don't have enough history in playing with or for him to really know.
Regardless, worse case is how we should play anyway, but things *might* not in reality be as bad as they seem.
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Day Six
Jan 10, 2009 19:36:06 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 10, 2009 19:36:06 GMT -5
I'm reasonably sure the answer is C) here, unless you're scum playing with me. How are you reasonably sure? I think of the possibilities she listed, she's either a townie misunderstanding or (as added) a scum going for a cheap and easy kill. I was expressing my disbelief that there's any kind of organized game or spying going on in either of her or my cases.
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 1:22:05 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 11, 2009 1:22:05 GMT -5
KidV - 16 votes Kat - 16 votes Nanook - 16 votes Hoopy Frood - 16 votes MiteyMouse - 15 votes Almost Human - 15 votes sinjin - 10 votes Cookies - 10 votes misterblockey - 9 votes Total Lost - 8 votes Zeriel - 6 votes
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 2:32:56 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 11, 2009 2:32:56 GMT -5
Idle can you stipulate that a different person needs to post before a player can vote/unvote anyone they've already vote/unvoted. The goal being to avoid the possibility of a last minute massive flurry of vote/unvotes by a single player.
Otherwise we all need to decide on someone fairly quickly and start digging a friggin massive hole, since if they're going to be lynched anyway they have no motivation not to pull a stunt like last 10 minute constant unvotes on the doc or the detective.
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 3:42:42 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 11, 2009 3:42:42 GMT -5
Idle can you stipulate that a different person needs to post before a player can vote/unvote anyone they've already vote/unvoted. The goal being to avoid the possibility of a last minute massive flurry of vote/unvotes by a single player.Otherwise we all need to decide on someone fairly quickly and start digging a friggin massive hole, since if they're going to be lynched anyway they have no motivation not to pull a stunt like last 10 minute constant unvotes on the doc or the detective. No. Anything goes. : ) That's why I made the Day this way...because I figured that might (eventually) happen sometime. And if it does....boy will things be interesting then.
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 3:58:44 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jan 11, 2009 3:58:44 GMT -5
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 13:53:01 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 11, 2009 13:53:01 GMT -5
In that case we need to start now if we want any control. I'm not going to go all out, however I now think zeriel is the best target due to multiple interactions between himself and other unconfirmed. Therefore I'm going to vote like we need to be voting today.
Unvote Zeriel Unvote Zeriel Unvote Zeriel Unvote Zeriel Unvote Zeriel
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 13:54:44 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 11, 2009 13:54:44 GMT -5
To clarify we need to be doing that over and over and over again starting really bloody soon.
Maybe not on that target if the rest of you disagree, but in that manner certainly.
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 14:04:15 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jan 11, 2009 14:04:15 GMT -5
In that case we need to start now if we want any control. I'm not going to go all out, however I now think zeriel is the best target due to multiple interactions between himself and other unconfirmed. Therefore I'm going to vote like we need to be voting today. I am not the one to argue against a lynch of Zeriel - but I'm not sure why you think he is the right lynch-target. We need to get informations at this point - and we will get nothing from a Zeriel-lynch if we don't have reasons for the unvotes. Are you saying it is only because of "due to multiple interactions between himself and other unconfirmed" or do you have anything else to add to the way you unvote?
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 14:15:13 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 11, 2009 14:15:13 GMT -5
There's the null tell back and forth between him and you and the null tell back and forth between him and cookies. Taking him out will give us some sort of information then, both on you and on cookies.
killing either you or cookies would give us only tangential info on zeriel
sinjin and myself haven't had terribly large amounts of interaction among the unconfirmed.
Therefore the optimal lynch in my eyes is zeriel.
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 15:58:25 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Jan 11, 2009 15:58:25 GMT -5
There's the null tell back and forth between him and you and the null tell back and forth between him and cookies. Taking him out will give us some sort of information then, both on you and on cookies. killing either you or cookies would give us only tangential info on zeriel sinjin and myself haven't had terribly large amounts of interaction among the unconfirmed. Therefore the optimal lynch in my eyes is zeriel. Sinjin has been all over me from Day 1. I believe I have said that several times. Did you miss it or did you just see it as town-on-town???
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 17:38:15 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 11, 2009 17:38:15 GMT -5
KidV - 16 votes Kat - 16 votes Nanook - 16 votes Hoopy Frood - 16 votes MiteyMouse - 15 votes Almost Human - 15 votes sinjin - 10 votes Cookies - 10 votes misterblockey - 9 votes Total Lost - 8 votes Zeriel - 1 vote
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Day Six
Jan 11, 2009 17:39:17 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 11, 2009 17:39:17 GMT -5
Me, I'm thinking that "I'm not a good lynch target since I haven't been participating" is about the closest you can get to the opposite of a good argument as is possible, misterblockey.
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