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Day 1
Jan 28, 2009 16:30:10 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 28, 2009 16:30:10 GMT -5
Can scum communicate during the Day? Yes. In my games, scum can always communicate during the day.
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Jan 28, 2009 17:21:31 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 28, 2009 17:21:31 GMT -5
Okay. So I was originally thinking, hey if scum can't talk during the Day, then I'm more inclined to believe the roxis/pedescribe PM mistake. Now I realize that was stupid since if scum can talk during the Day, they would have vetted roxis's PM before she posted it. She had plenty of time, in fact I think she jumped the gun on the roleclaim. Early, really unnecessary roleclaims are the hallmark of Town. Scum are much less likely to rapidly roleclaim.
Furthermore, I don't think we should lynch roxis today. I like a bandwagon as much as the next guy, but when I posted my suspicion of roxis earlier today, that suspicion was dependent on how trophyfying works. If trophyfying turns out to be different from what roxis seemed to have perfect information about, then the case against her evaporates. It would be silly to lynch her today before we even see someone trophyfied.
That's not to say she should be completely off the hook, just that the PIS should be revisited later when the information that is allegedly perfect is shown to be perfect.
unvote 2. roxis
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Jan 28, 2009 18:35:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 28, 2009 18:35:09 GMT -5
Ok, and since they both chimed in and because my third vote was a placeholder.
Unvote All
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Jan 28, 2009 19:42:39 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 28, 2009 19:42:39 GMT -5
Nuhhhhh. Something's rotten in Denmark here. I smell something fishy (and it's not the tuna I just ate). I can't quite put my finger on it but luckily I have tomorrow off so I have a full day to do nothing on the computer. Didn't like the roxis bandwagon. Didn't like roxis claiming that early either, but the past is the past. As a question, roxis, how many mafia games have you played in/how long have you been playing? 'Cause it seems to me her claiming early is more of an inexperience town panicking at getting a few votes. sachertorte, question for you. What made you decide to ask roxis for clarification on her statement about trophification in the first place? The reason I ask is the trophification discussion had died down and it was right around the time Parzival was starting to get heat for his vote. Roxis' statement was from two days prior, and you had posted in the thread previously replying to other topics. So it seems slightly weird to me you would suddenly re-bring up a topic that had already been discussed a while ago. Moving on to... for all we know, instead of lynching someone, we might be trophyfying* them. But that wouldn't make sense, since Town also needs that person killed, but Scum doesn't. Maybe Scum trophyfies* instead of Night Killing. I'm not going to worry about it until I see how it plays out. ~~~~~~~~~~~ *That seriously cannot be how you spell it. It just looks like word-vomit on my screen On a re-read, this bothered me. Mostly because I brought up the exact same thing when I first mentioned trophying (equating lynching to possibly being trophying). Why would he bring this up again unless he wasn't paying attention? Skimming is often times a scum tell. Scum skim. Skimmy scummy scum skim skimmy scum. K I'm done now. Wait. 2. Vote Mr. Special EdK now I'm done.
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Jan 28, 2009 19:51:36 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 28, 2009 19:51:36 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | KidVermicious | Hoopy Frood | peekercpa | Parzival | molefan | Parzival | Sachertorte | MiteyMouse | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | roxis | molefan | Zeriel | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | sinjin | roxis | Parzival | | TDPatriots | brokentree | Aubby | Nanook | Zeriel | crazypunker | Zeriel | Parzival |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Parzival | 12 | crazypunker, molefan | Nanook, sinjin | KidVermicious, Zeriel | roxis | 9 | Nanook, Parzival, sinjin | | | crazypunker | 6 | Hoopy Frood, Zeriel | | | brokentree | 4 | TDPatriots | | Pollux Oil | Zeriel | 3 | | Zeriel | Parzival | Hoopy Frood | 3 | KidVermicious | | | peekercpa | 3 | | KidVermicious | Nanook | Mr. Special Ed | 2 | | Pollux Oil | | Aubby | 2 | | TDPatriots | | molefan | 2 | | Parzival | | Sachertorte | 2 | | molefan | | Nanook | 1 | | | TDPatriots | MiteyMouse | 1 | | | molefan |
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Jan 28, 2009 20:13:29 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Jan 28, 2009 20:13:29 GMT -5
hey everyone, Just got in and i caught up reading. After reading i think i am ready to place some votes. VOTE Koldanar #1 This is not cause you have posted little but because the post's that are done, have little to give. Some that have gotten some suspicion such as aubby and brokenttree which may have not posted alot but there has been atleast a few good post's in there worth reading. Then also there is this post by you: I am back, and checking in. (As a side note, i was recently laid-off. My play may be wildy varying from posting tons to not at all, depending on how the search goes.) I'm solidly in the camp of I HATE DAY ONE. There is always always always some sort of bandwagoning going on; when I was less experienced I jumped right on (and soundly got thrashed when scum then used me), and lately, I tend to want to lurk. I don't like making a move w/out some solid information; invariably I'm wrong I said before and will now i tend not to like LTL but in the case where one admit's to wanting to lurk and possibly saying lurking is actually pro-town and good. Sorry but this just does not sit well with me. How is sitting back and not contributing good for us? VOTE Parzival #2 This is cause I agree with what others have said. VOTE shaggy #3 This obviously is just a placeholder vote. I will gladly switch it if something more comes up.
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Jan 28, 2009 20:21:52 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 28, 2009 20:21:52 GMT -5
As a question, roxis, how many mafia games have you played in/how long have you been playing? One full game. I'm in this game and one on facebook, so I'm not sure whether to say this is my third game or my second. I've reached the end of one full game (but I was a confirmed Mason in that game, so it felt way different).
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Jan 28, 2009 20:28:45 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 28, 2009 20:28:45 GMT -5
That was a heck of a role pm if it was made up on the fly. I will remove my vote for now and await other developements.
unvote roxis 1.
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Jan 28, 2009 20:29:47 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 28, 2009 20:29:47 GMT -5
sachertorte, question for you. What made you decide to ask roxis for clarification on her statement about trophification in the first place? The reason I ask is the trophification discussion had died down and it was right around the time Parzival was starting to get heat for his vote. Roxis' statement was from two days prior, and you had posted in the thread previously replying to other topics. So it seems slightly weird to me you would suddenly re-bring up a topic that had already been discussed a while ago. I was re-reading the thread and I noticed roxis was unusually definitive about trophyification being bad for the Town. I wondered if she had extra knowledge that Town would not have, so I asked her to expand on her post. I made my post when I re-read her post.
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Jan 28, 2009 20:31:21 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 28, 2009 20:31:21 GMT -5
yeah, most particularly roxis, revealing every detail of your role including which powers would be available to you when wasn't the best idea.
I'm feeling a lot of townie on townie vibes going on here, however my townie on townie vibes sometimes get crossed with my scum buddies putting on a show vibes.
particularly between parzival and sinjin
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Jan 28, 2009 20:33:32 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Jan 28, 2009 20:33:32 GMT -5
I don't like the Parzival train. The behaviour he's getting heat for is much more aggressive than I'd expect from scum, especially on Day One. I don't like his reasoning either, but poor reasoning is not necessarily scummy reasoning.
I find sinjin's reaction to be disproportionate and somewhat out of character for her. It feels almost ... forced and unnatural to me. But that's my gut talking, and it's wrong at least as often as its right.
My first reaction to roxis' claim is that it seems reasonable. A quick look at Wikipedia indicates that the Pokemon Trainer is always in the background in the game, and one of Squirtle, Ivysaur or Charizard fights for him, so the colour fits the role. But the colour doesn't mean a heck of a lot, as many other have mentioned. I've never played Brawl but certainly there's not really any canonical villains in the original or Melee(unless one counts Master Hand, but the opening colour would seem to preclude him being scum).
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Jan 28, 2009 20:53:39 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 28, 2009 20:53:39 GMT -5
I don't like the Parzival train. The behaviour he's getting heat for is much more aggressive than I'd expect from scum, especially on Day One. I don't like his reasoning either, but poor reasoning is not necessarily scummy reasoning. I find sinjin's reaction to be disproportionate and somewhat out of character for her. It feels almost ... forced and unnatural to me. But that's my gut talking, and it's wrong at least as often as its right. Exactly how would you have responded if someone voted you for blatantly false reasons? And if you think my reaction is out of character you must not be following my games. Every game I tell myself I'm going to channel MHaye and Cookies and every game I turn into crazy attack woman sinjin, or at least remain crazy attack woman sinjin.
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Jan 28, 2009 21:06:39 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 28, 2009 21:06:39 GMT -5
N Moving on to... for all we know, instead of lynching someone, we might be trophyfying* them. But that wouldn't make sense, since Town also needs that person killed, but Scum doesn't. Maybe Scum trophyfies* instead of Night Killing. I'm not going to worry about it until I see how it plays out. ~~~~~~~~~~~ *That seriously cannot be how you spell it. It just looks like word-vomit on my screen On a re-read, this bothered me. Mostly because I brought up the exact same thing when I first mentioned trophying (equating lynching to possibly being trophying). Why would he bring this up again unless he wasn't paying attention? Skimming is often times a scum tell. Scum skim. Skimmy scummy scum skim skimmy scum. K I'm done now. Wait. 2. Vote Mr. Special EdK now I'm done. Yeah, I see it asked and answered now on re-read. Honestly. I probably just read it, thought nothing of it, since the question hadn't occurred to me, then, on re-reading as the discussion with roxis continued, a light bulb went off in my head. I just didn't realize it was a used light bulb. Thank you for the vote. I shall be more careful and now, for something completely different. Do we think pede actually forgot the word "town" or did roxis forget to insert it when she fabricated her role PM. Perhaps she deleted an initial paragraph explaining her role as Scum. It might also make sense if her powers aren't Night powers, but are Day powers. That is, protecting from a lynch or Vig Day kill, um..redirecting..maybe if there are more Day powers out there. I've seen games with Day investigators, and also poisoning during that Day. It does seem at least a little feasible that she may have posted accurately initially and then had some Scum help trying to recover from her blunder.
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Jan 28, 2009 21:14:26 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 28, 2009 21:14:26 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | KidVermicious | Hoopy Frood | peekercpa | Parzival | molefan | Parzival | Sachertorte | MiteyMouse | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | roxis | molefan | Zeriel | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | shaggy | Koldanar | Parzival | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | TDPatriots | brokentree | Aubby | Nanook | Zeriel | crazypunker | Zeriel | Parzival |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Parzival | 14 | crazypunker, molefan | Nanook, shaggy, sinjin | KidVermicious, Zeriel | roxis | 6 | Nanook, Parzival | | | crazypunker | 6 | Hoopy Frood, Zeriel | | | brokentree | 4 | TDPatriots | | Pollux Oil | Koldanar | 3 | shaggy | | | peekercpa | 3 | | KidVermicious | Nanook | Hoopy Frood | 3 | KidVermicious | | | Zeriel | 3 | | Zeriel | Parzival | Aubby | 2 | | TDPatriots | | molefan | 2 | | Parzival | | Sachertorte | 2 | | molefan | | Mr. Special Ed | 2 | | Pollux Oil | | Nanook | 1 | | | TDPatriots | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | MiteyMouse | 1 | | | molefan |
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Jan 28, 2009 21:21:07 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 28, 2009 21:21:07 GMT -5
Some of you have also played with him enough that you oughta know that he'll show up when asked, so I'm very suspicious of Hoopy and Peeker for their votes. [colorblue]Vote: 1) Hoopy 2) Peeker 3) Parzival
<Snipped] and <bleached> Maybe my skin is too thin these days but .... Yep I've participated with Nanook a couple of games and Hal not so often (the missus is alergic to wool and the sneezing can become downright annoying). And their playstyle is, to me, rather annoying. It seems that the more heat that is put on them the greater level of participation that they exhibit. But then they participate and all is right with the world. Did you read my subsequent post about prodding and their anticipated reactions? If you are going to mis-characterize my position it would be nice if you caveat your posts that they are not being taken in context and are being manipulated to achieve a desired result. I mean, seriously. It's only two points but I certainly don't want mistaken conclusions/observations to go unchallenged.
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Jan 28, 2009 21:43:29 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 28, 2009 21:43:29 GMT -5
Do we think pede actually forgot the word "town" or did roxis forget to insert it when she fabricated her role PM. I think you mean "if" she fabricated her role PM. You seem pretty sure that I did - if you're positive, then vote for me. It might also make sense if her powers aren't Night powers, but are Day powers. That is, protecting from a lynch or Vig Day kill, um..redirecting..maybe if there are more Day powers out there. I've seen games with Day investigators, and also poisoning during that Day. lolwut. Why would I roleclaim if I could protect from a lynch? If that was part of my power, I wouldn't take the risk of roleclaiming, simple as that. I roleclaimed because I was under heavy fire. Yes, perhaps I should have waited it out, but the bandwagon was only gaining momentum. When I left school, I had five votes. Got home, I had eleven. That's a substantial increase and I decided to take the risk. If I had the power to protect from a lynch, I would have just let you guys pile votes on me and then self-protected. A seasoned veteran such as yourself surely would know that. Your argument does not hold water. It does seem at least a little feasible that she may have posted accurately initially and then had some Scum help trying to recover from her blunder. First you say I fabricated my PM. Then, you say I "posted accurately", which would imply that I DIDN'T fabricate my PM. THEN, you say I needed scum help to recover from a blunder. Which is it?
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Jan 28, 2009 21:45:27 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 28, 2009 21:45:27 GMT -5
Ah, what the hell.
Vote #1 Mr Special Ed
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Jan 28, 2009 21:48:30 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 28, 2009 21:48:30 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | KidVermicious | Hoopy Frood | peekercpa | Parzival | molefan | Parzival | Sachertorte | MiteyMouse | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | roxis | molefan | Zeriel | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | roxis | Mr. Special Ed | | | shaggy | Koldanar | Parzival | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | TDPatriots | brokentree | Aubby | Nanook | Zeriel | crazypunker | Zeriel | Parzival |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Parzival | 14 | crazypunker, molefan | Nanook, shaggy, sinjin | KidVermicious, Zeriel | roxis | 6 | Nanook, Parzival | | | crazypunker | 6 | Hoopy Frood, Zeriel | | | Mr. Special Ed | 5 | roxis | Pollux Oil | | brokentree | 4 | TDPatriots | | Pollux Oil | Zeriel | 3 | | Zeriel | Parzival | Hoopy Frood | 3 | KidVermicious | | | peekercpa | 3 | | KidVermicious | Nanook | Koldanar | 3 | shaggy | | | Aubby | 2 | | TDPatriots | | molefan | 2 | | Parzival | | Sachertorte | 2 | | molefan | | Nanook | 1 | | | TDPatriots | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | MiteyMouse | 1 | | | molefan |
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Jan 28, 2009 21:54:19 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Jan 28, 2009 21:54:19 GMT -5
Do we think pede actually forgot the word "town" or did roxis forget to insert it when she fabricated her role PM. I think you mean "if" she fabricated her role PM. You seem pretty sure that I did - if you're positive, then vote for me. I think that you're reading this quote wrong. Ed is saying that either: a) pede forgot to put town in your PM --or-- b) You fabricated the PM and forgot to put town in there
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Jan 28, 2009 22:01:47 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 28, 2009 22:01:47 GMT -5
I think that you're reading this quote wrong. Ed is saying that either: a) pede forgot to put town in your PM --or-- b) You fabricated the PM and forgot to put town in there I read it semi-right. I personally would have used different wording (if, not when), but the rest of his post leads me to believe that he feels I fabricated my post. Up until the last sentence, where he says I "posted accurately". Anyway, that particular quote was the least of my worries. Even if I interpreted it wrong, I stand by the rest of my post (and vote), until he can tell me why he thinks I would roleclaim if I could save myself and why he feels I posted accurately, then tells me that I made a blunder.
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Jan 28, 2009 22:03:08 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 28, 2009 22:03:08 GMT -5
I think you mean "if" she fabricated her role PM. You seem pretty sure that I did - if you're positive, then vote for me. I think that you're reading this quote wrong. Ed is saying that either: a) pede forgot to put town in your PM --or-- b) You fabricated the PM and forgot to put town in there That's the way I parsed it as well.
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Jan 28, 2009 22:10:41 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Jan 28, 2009 22:10:41 GMT -5
It occurs to me to think that this entire side discussion of "trophyfying" and who might have the trophy gun and whatnot is entirely beside the point. When has ANY game ever stuck that close to color that minutiae like this would be relevant? This kind of speculation is useless. I explained this when I was defending against Hoopy, but I might as well post again in response to yours just so it is clear that I am answering both. I am new and I wanted to contribute in any way that I could. I didn't know that giving all the information I had would be worse than not talking at all. I have been trying to stay active and since I haven't played before I can only post things I know about. I realize now that color is next to meaningless in this game, but I didn't know that before this game. I will be more careful posting about the color in the future.
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Jan 28, 2009 22:18:18 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 28, 2009 22:18:18 GMT -5
I think that you're reading this quote wrong. Ed is saying that either: a) pede forgot to put town in your PM --or-- b) You fabricated the PM and forgot to put town in there I read it semi-right. I personally would have used different wording (if, not when), but the rest of his post leads me to believe that he feels I fabricated my post. Up until the last sentence, where he says I "posted accurately". Anyway, that particular quote was the least of my worries. Even if I interpreted it wrong, I stand by the rest of my post (and vote), until he can tell me why he thinks I would roleclaim if I could save myself and why he feels I posted accurately, then tells me that I made a blunder. I did mean, either pede forgot OR she's faking it. I wasn't assuming you were being honest or not. I was just presenting the information for discussion with what I thought were the possibilities. Though, yes, I guess I did concentrate on the possibility of you being Scum, but that's what I'm trying to do: find Scum. Also, when I said I thought your initial role PM might be accurate, I meant the change where it says her powers are Day powers. I meant, perhaps she only left off the part indicating her scumminess and then left the Day power out there until some Scum noticed and she came up with a reason to correct it. And, roxis, I didn't vote because this was just a 'what if' scenario. I read your claim, and your corrected claim, and thought there might be something fishy about it. I wanted it out there for discussion. Pede seems to have made mistakes before, like listing 27 players and Day Scum kills in the initial color (since corrected, but my post about it remains as does pede's response){Day 1 post 2 and Day 1 post 5}, so it's possible he made the mistake in your PM. But he's also planned this game for a while, and it would be odd if he made the mistake. That said, it does make a little more sense now. Pede had initially meant for a reversal of Days and Night. Scum kills in the Day, when town would need protection, etc...so your PM having that mistake seems quite possible. I suppose. Still doesn't explain forgetting to tell her which side she's on. Though it seems apparent she assumed she was on Town's side without being told, IF she's being honest. See, that's why I didn't vote for you, because I thought if we talked about it, it might not seem as scummy as it did at first glance.
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Jan 28, 2009 22:45:07 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 28, 2009 22:45:07 GMT -5
unvote 3. roxisvote 2. roxisThe most recent explanation is not what roxis said when first asked. In fact, the most recent explanation is one brought up by Hoopy Frood. Furthermore, roxis says: AND Which run counter to each other. Y'see, I noticed this and assumed that Roxis counted a SK among the "scum" elements anyway. Some boards use the word "scum" to mean any and all anti-town elements, some just mean the mafia-sided players. In any case this post is the first thing since Parzival's vote on me that bothers me slightly... while I don't really have any problems with his previous point although I don't necessarily agree that it indicates Roxis is scummy, I think saying that the two posts "run counter to each other" is a leap. For that reason I'm gonna put a very mild FoS on sachertorte and vote 3: sachertorte. To clarify this for the benefit of this somewhat confusing voting system, I'd like my minimum single vote placed on Sachertorte, while keeping my triple vote on Parzival. Hey, sorry for not addessing this vote earlier. molefan, I think the full quote will clarify what is going on: The win condition for the town is: The town wins when the SCUM (Smasher Community United for Mutiny) have all died. Also, there is an impostor among you, someone who is disguised as an ordinary smasher. That person must die too. The win condition for the SCUM is: SCUM (Smasher Community United for Mutiny) wins when they control the voting, and thus, control the arena. Also, the impostor must be killed (or trophyfied). The reason I came to the conclusion that trophyfying = bad for town is because in the Town wincon, it says that the imposter must die. However, in the SCUM wincon, it says that the imposter must be killed... or trophyfied. Now perhaps I was jumping to conclusions, but that's how I interpreted it. Town doesn't win if the imposter is trophyfied, but scum does. That implies to me that scum has the power of trophyfication. Neat. Probably means our malicious PFK is a serial trophyist or something. That's what got me thinking about trophyfying being a serial killer's signature. The statements DO run counter to each other. In the first roxis is clearly talking about SCUM, not the impostor. The second statement she is clearly NOT talking about SCUM. I bring this up to address molefan's vote which looks like a misunderstanding to me. In my mind the roxis situation is old news.
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Jan 28, 2009 22:46:26 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 28, 2009 22:46:26 GMT -5
I wasn't going to do this...but then I realized that it was unfair if I didn't. My definition of PFK: A third-party who needs to be eliminated for the town (and possibly the scum) to win. My definition of Third-Party: A role whose win condition does not align with either town's or scum's. Hey, sorry to drag this up again, but I'm still confused. Third party is still ambiguous in one respect. You say "does not align with either town's or scum's," well that should be obvious -- third party means a win condition that is different from town and scum. The question is: Does a third party win condition preempt the town win condition? In other words, I can see that town can win without killing the third party, but if the third party win condition is exclusive, then even though town can win with the third party alive... we want him dead to prevent win-stealing. In my world, I would call exclusive win conditions PFK (playing for keeps) because the win is exclusive. But the definitions provided say nothing about exclusivity, just that the win condition is different. But this isn't my world. What does pedescribe's world look like?
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Jan 28, 2009 22:53:52 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Jan 28, 2009 22:53:52 GMT -5
I don't feel there's really been a good discussion of why I'm the vote leader, and instead there's a #2 & 3 bandwagon. Which seems like an excellent place for scum to hide. Though if I'm lynched it'll still be hard to see who's scum and who's town just jumping on.
I'd also find it bad for the town if the example of trying to spark discussion leads to a lynch. As far as I can tell, I had the first vote that actually tried to have a reason, and I'm getting voted for it.
So I'm going to claim now so there's time to consider it. I won't have much time to post until later tonight when Fed & Roddick are on.
While my power isn't all that great, it does have the advantage of being semi-confirmable:
Here's my role:
Note that I removed the restriction, as it potentially helps scum. It also doesn't materially affect why I think I should stay around.
Since this role affects other roles - and they will know when I use it - I'm confirmable at least to one or more persons*. The downside of this is that they'd have to be a power role (and they'd need to eventually be outed/confirmed in some other way). Personally, I feel this outweighs lynching me now.
*I'm assuming that my power is unique, and really, I can't see a good reason for a similar role in this game. So even though I won't be confirmed as myself, I presume anyone who gets an assist is going to get it from me.
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Jan 28, 2009 23:09:01 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 28, 2009 23:09:01 GMT -5
I wasn't going to do this...but then I realized that it was unfair if I didn't. My definition of PFK: A third-party who needs to be eliminated for the town (and possibly the scum) to win. My definition of Third-Party: A role whose win condition does not align with either town's or scum's. Hey, sorry to drag this up again, but I'm still confused. Third party is still ambiguous in one respect. You say "does not align with either town's or scum's," well that should be obvious -- third party means a win condition that is different from town and scum. The question is: Does a third party win condition preempt the town win condition? In other words, I can see that town can win without killing the third party, but if the third party win condition is exclusive, then even though town can win with the third party alive... we want him dead to prevent win-stealing. In my world, I would call exclusive win conditions PFK (playing for keeps) because the win is exclusive. But the definitions provided say nothing about exclusivity, just that the win condition is different. But this isn't my world. What does pedescribe's world look like?Third parties cannot steal the win. PFK's can.
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Day 1
Jan 28, 2009 23:34:32 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 28, 2009 23:34:32 GMT -5
You know what? I'm taking unilateral action here.
I am a mason. My co-masons are MiteyMouse and MrSpecialEd.
Here's why I'm claiming. One of the three of us is a scum--that means we're all exposed already. Based on discussion on the mason board, I'm sure it's miteymouse--she has been trying to get us to hold off on a claim by claiming a magic bag that will surely identify the scum mason on day two.
All the masons have a power. If they're like mine they're useful but not terribly so, if anyone wants to take that into consideration with their night actions. I don't know what any other mason powers are and I wouldn't say if I did.
It's in your hands. I am pushing this tonight to give you all time to deal with this by the deadline on Friday.
unvote all
vote 1. MiteyMouse vote 2. Crazypunker vote 3. brokentree (placeholder)
And might I add, Pede, that a masonry guaranteed to be exposed to the scum at game start is kinda Gastardy.
Good luck, folks. Choose well, you have a 1/3 chance of nailing scum today now.
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Day 1
Jan 28, 2009 23:56:41 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 28, 2009 23:56:41 GMT -5
You know what? I'm taking unilateral action here. I am a mason. My co-masons are MiteyMouse and MrSpecialEd. Here's why I'm claiming. One of the three of us is a scum--that means we're all exposed already. Based on discussion on the mason board, I'm sure it's miteymouse--she has been trying to get us to hold off on a claim by claiming a magic bag that will surely identify the scum mason on day two. All the masons have a power. If they're like mine they're useful but not terribly so, if anyone wants to take that into consideration with their night actions. I don't know what any other mason powers are and I wouldn't say if I did. It's in your hands. I am pushing this tonight to give you all time to deal with this by the deadline on Friday. unvote allvote 1. MiteyMouse vote 2. Crazypunker vote 3. brokentree (placeholder)And might I add, Pede, that a masonry guaranteed to be exposed to the scum at game start is kinda Gastardy. Good luck, folks. Choose well, you have a 1/3 chance of nailing scum today now. Well, so much for deciding this together on the Mason thread ;-D In all, this probably isn't a bad decision. We did need to come out. Even if it takes out all 3 of us to get a Scum, one Scum for a very small 2 person masonry is a good deal. We were in the process of discussing the time of our claim in the Mason thread. Mitey was leaning towards waiting until Day 2. I had advocated toDay, and apparently Zeriel agrees with me. Because of her wanting to wait (so Scum could NK us toNight???) and because of her fishing and magic bagging, I was leaning toward mitey being the Scum as well. I'm not sure how to take Zeriel's claim. These 2 thoughts come to mind: 1. He knows we must get rid of the Scum mason ASAP, and chose to do this. 2. From the mason board discussion, he realized the Town masons also have additional powers, and he decided his life as a Scum wasn't going to last long, and he decided to try to get mitey and me lynched and/or NK'd ASAP. Anyway, vote 1. Miteymousefrom our discussion on the mason board, she's been fishing and magic bagging, and wanted to wit to claim. vote 2 Zerielif Mitey isn't Scum, Zeriel is, since pede made it clear one of the 3 of us is Scum vote 3 Mr Special Edreally a place holder, unless pede is really gastardy and none of us were Scum at all and he lied to us, then I just want to die :-D
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Day 1
Jan 29, 2009 0:04:48 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 0:04:48 GMT -5
I certainly concur with your third point--but yeah, mostly I posted because you seemed to be mostly in agreement with me, and frankly I don't want a last minute rush--this way there are two real-world days for people to decide.
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