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Jan 29, 2009 0:27:04 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 0:27:04 GMT -5
Some of you have also played with him enough that you oughta know that he'll show up when asked, so I'm very suspicious of Hoopy and Peeker for their votes. [colorblue]Vote: 1) Hoopy 2) Peeker 3) Parzival
<Snipped] and <bleached> Maybe my skin is too thin these days but .... Yep I've participated with Nanook a couple of games and Hal not so often (the missus is alergic to wool and the sneezing can become downright annoying). And their playstyle is, to me, rather annoying. It seems that the more heat that is put on them the greater level of participation that they exhibit. But then they participate and all is right with the world. Did you read my subsequent post about prodding and their anticipated reactions? If you are going to mis-characterize my position it would be nice if you caveat your posts that they are not being taken in context and are being manipulated to achieve a desired result. I mean, seriously. It's only two points but I certainly don't want mistaken conclusions/observations to go unchallenged. I agree with your annoyance - Hal and Nanook aren't the only ones that tend to stay quiet until somebody calls them out, and I wish they wouldn't. Maybe they care . But the thing is, they both do it whether they're Town or Scum, making it a null tell. But it does make them nice tasty targets for somebody looking to place a safe vote, hence my vote for you. It's Day One, I gotta put it somewhere, right?
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Jan 29, 2009 0:34:57 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 29, 2009 0:34:57 GMT -5
One full game. I'm in this game and one on facebook, so I'm not sure whether to say this is my third game or my second. I've reached the end of one full game (but I was a confirmed Mason in that game, so it felt way different). K. That definitely makes me think your claim was more of a townie reaction to getting votes than a scum putting together the role claim, especially if you were a mason in your first game. I was re-reading the thread and I noticed roxis was unusually definitive about trophyification being bad for the Town. I wondered if she had extra knowledge that Town would not have, so I asked her to expand on her post. I made my post when I re-read her post. Fair enough. I came across your post in a re-read myself, so hey. Yeah, I see it asked and answered now on re-read. Honestly. I probably just read it, thought nothing of it, since the question hadn't occurred to me, then, on re-reading as the discussion with roxis continued, a light bulb went off in my head. I just didn't realize it was a used light bulb. Thank you for the vote. I shall be more careful ....You're....welcome? I find sinjin's reaction to be disproportionate and somewhat out of character for her. It feels almost ... forced and unnatural to me. But that's my gut talking, and it's wrong at least as often as its right. Uhhhh? I thought sinjin's reaction was completely in character for her usual play style. Hmmm. *raises eyebrow* ---- Re: Parzival's claim. Yes, that's semi-confirmable. Weird power, but semi-confirmable. I don't know about it though. It feels like it would fit in a game where there's no vanilla and all power roles. But there are vanilla in this game, so I don't see that there would be very many underpowered* power roles. I'm on the fence about the role. *I'm aware one of roxis' powers is a weak doc thing. But I figure if there's a "power booster" power role in the game, there has to be a decent amount of weak powers for it to be considered a viable role. A different post for the mason deali-o coming up.
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Jan 29, 2009 0:34:58 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 0:34:58 GMT -5
Well.
Ok.
Unvote 1. Mitey Mouse 2. Zeriel 3. Special Ed[/color]
In order of suspicion. Question for all three of you, does your PM indicate whether or not your Scum-Mason is in communication with the other Scum?
Also, Pede, I hate to ask, but would you be willing to confirm or deny that there was in error in Roxis original PM she recieved from you? Please not that I'm not asking for you to say whether either PM she has posted is accurate, just whether or not the original PM she recieved from you is accurate.
I understand that this could lead to a measure of mod-confirmination, but I ask you to consider the boat she's in if the original PM was inaccurate...[/color]
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Jan 29, 2009 0:36:13 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jan 29, 2009 0:36:13 GMT -5
Well, you folks don’t appear to have missed me, but I’ll apologize for not posting yesterday anyway. I have the monster of all viruses (virii?) and ended up just going to sleep, because the two times I tried to read yesterday, I couldn’t string together anything coherent enough to post. If nothing in this post is coherent either, I’d blame it on the cold medication, but I don’t have any in the house, so I’ll blame it on the fever instead. I wanted to get some preliminary votes in before I go to sleep again, even if they’re crappy ones, and then come back tomorrow and re-evaluate the whole thing again. First, though, totally unrelated to the voting (for the moment, at least—I’m currently rereading and may find something to change my mind about this being unrelated): It seems counterintuitive, but in early and mid-game, being lynched as vanilla is a GOOD thing, because at 50% of the time, Scum pushed that lynch. Are you sure about this? It seems that in many games I’ve been in, many of the mislynches (Vanilla or power role) were Town on Town, with scum sitting back. Have you got any numbers? (My god! I must be very sick: I asked for numbers.) 1) MiteyMouse Based on Ed’s and zeriel’s posts (I had to redo my voting list thanks to the two of you ). I don’t want to vote for all 3 masons, so I’ll go with the one that the other two agree has done some suspicious-sounding magic bagging. I’d advise that Mitey give her opinion on which of the other two she thinks is more suspicious, for possible Vig/Detective players to consider when planning Night 1 Actions, and for everyone to consider for tomorrow, if Mitey gets lynched and isn’t the scum. 2) aubby Partly for 3 posts (out of 5) that essentially said “I have nothing to say” but mostly for this question in reply#269 (page 9): The imposter perhaps being a PFK. Is there any possibility that the imposter is a SCUM traitor or spy... or wouldn't a mod usually allude to that. I wouldn't think so, but I wonder if it can easily be ruled out. There’s no “perhaps” about it. The imposter is PFK. How do I know? Because wa-a-a-ay back in reply#66 (on page 3), pede has already said: On the imposter: it means there is exactly one malicious PFK who will directly interfere with your win condition. It says nothing about how many 3rd parties are in this game (except that there's at least one). He then goes on to clarify in reply #245: I wasn't going to do this...but then I realized that it was unfair if I didn't. My definition of PFK: A third-party who needs to be eliminated for the town (and possibly the scum) to win. My definition of Third-Party: A role whose win condition does not align with either town's or scum's. Not that there haven’t been scum traitors before (Hell, I made one). And not even that a scum traitor mightn’t technically be a PFK. But rather that aubby brings up the question of the imposter being a scum traitor instead of a PFK, when the mod’s already settled the question that the imposter, no matter what else it may be, is a PFK. It just strikes me as trying to appear to not have information that’s been flat out given to us. 3) molefan This is minor, because so much of his defense seems to be “I got mislynched in prior games so I shouldn’t be a suspect.” Admittedly, he often comes across as scummy when he’s Town. Hell, I was suspicious of him in Skrull Planet, and I was the one who wrote his (Town) role. Also because he’s “not feeling the Roxis bandwagon” 2 hours after her roleclaim, but he doesn’t even comment on the claim. Historical note: The term PFK originated in Batman to mean all the third party players. Catwoman (survivor) was a PFK, as was Riddler (whatever-the-hell-his-role-actually-was). “Malicious PFK” were the ones that could steal the wins. I’m going to sleep now. Mods can edit. Fixed your vote number.
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Jan 29, 2009 0:42:58 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 0:42:58 GMT -5
Kat asked this in reference to my statement that 50% of early Town lynches are pushed by scum.
Not sure of the 50%, no, I pulled that particular percentage outa my arse. I should have inserted a "roughly" or some such in there.
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Jan 29, 2009 0:47:51 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Jan 29, 2009 0:47:51 GMT -5
Oh, one last thing...
To avoid last game's issue: Will the role reveal for dead masons be "Town Mason" and "SCUM Mason" or just "Mason" for all of them?
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Jan 29, 2009 0:59:42 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 29, 2009 0:59:42 GMT -5
You know what? I'm taking unilateral action here. I am a mason. My co-masons are MiteyMouse and MrSpecialEd. Here's why I'm claiming. One of the three of us is a scum--that means we're all exposed already. Based on discussion on the mason board, I'm sure it's miteymouse--she has been trying to get us to hold off on a claim by claiming a magic bag that will surely identify the scum mason on day two. All the masons have a power. If they're like mine they're useful but not terribly so, if anyone wants to take that into consideration with their night actions. I don't know what any other mason powers are and I wouldn't say if I did. Gah. I'm probably going to take a lot of heat for this, but regardless of whether MiteyMouse is scum or not I actually agree it would have been better to wait until at least Day 2. Yes, on Day 1 there's lot of fluff, usually a bandwagon lynch, and you coming out now gives us a much more definitive chance at nailing scum. But because you came out and said it now we have to take YOUR word on things. We have little to no evidence to analyze you three's actions within the game. In fact, MiteyMouse has posted very little at all in the game thread. Waiting until at least Day 2 would have given us as a whole a little more information to judge the 3 of you on. We would have had game posts, not just the mason board's posts. In all, this probably isn't a bad decision. We did need to come out. Even if it takes out all 3 of us to get a Scum, one Scum for a very small 2 person masonry is a good deal. We were in the process of discussing the time of our claim in the Mason thread. Mitey was leaning towards waiting until Day 2. I had advocated toDay, and apparently Zeriel agrees with me. Because of her wanting to wait (so Scum could NK us toNight???) and because of her fishing and magic bagging, I was leaning toward mitey being the Scum as well. GAH. This logic is giving me all kinds of headaches. First of all, "even if it takes out all 3 of us to get a scum?" WHAT. No, that's NOT good. That would mean 2 mislynches to 1 good lynch. And that gives scum THREE nightkill opportunities which, I might add, they would assuredly NOT use on the other masons, so worst-case scenario we'd lose 5 town to 1 scum. And there could be extra kills in there as well so that's not even the worst-case scenario! Playing as scum with storyteller in Cecilvania gave me this insight: Scum don't have to play to survive with all their members. They just have to get X amount of mislynches per scum. As long as each scum does their part to get their quote of mislynches, they're golden. I.E. if scum have to get 8 mislynches to win and there are 5 total, as long as 4 of the scum get 2 mislynches each before they're lynched, they can win in the end. So in this train of thought, the scum mason getting the other two masons lynched is a successful scum gambit. And furthermore, the only reason the scum mason would have to delay the revealing of this would be to keep the scum numberhood at maximum. There's no WAY the scum would kill one of the masons with a Nightkill. If the information's going to come out eventually, why narrow the possible lynch pool from 3 to 2? Now, finally, if this hooplah is all true, WHY would the scum mason try to stand out like that? They would definitely want to ease under the radar and not rock the boat. So to zeriel, Mr. Special Ed, and MiteyMouse, I ask you the following questions: Who first suggested coming out with it on Day One? How quickly did the other person agree? Did MiteyMouse suggest coming out on Day Two first, or did it come as a counter-argument to coming out on Day One? I think that's it for now. I'll have more questions later I'm sure to sort this mess out.
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Jan 29, 2009 4:26:35 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Jan 29, 2009 4:26:35 GMT -5
I never explicitly said this, but my early votes were never meant to be rock solid arguments. The few things I saw were just some hints of scumminess, which I wanted to push at a bit. The reaction at least gave us some discussion, which is always useful (even if doesn't reveal scum, it lets us know more about players).
It's around this part of the Day I usually start voting for people who haven't voted yet. I'll have to spend a little time to pick three, or two to reserve a spot for a Mason.
Just some random strategic thoughts:
To add to KidV's comments on vanilla roles - their goal ought to be either to get lynched with as much discussion as possible or get night-killed. Later on, they want to either be confirmed if possible, lynched if necessary. The only people who ought to be desperate to live are scum, pfk, or good power roles.
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Jan 29, 2009 4:43:20 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Jan 29, 2009 4:43:20 GMT -5
By my count, the following people have not yet voted:
1. Aubby 2. brokentree 4. Hal Briston 8. Koldy 9. MHaye 10. misterblocky 11. MiteyMouse 14. Nanook 18. Rysto 19. peek 20. Sachertorte
These people have only a partial vote:
crazypunker * Hoopy Frood * Pollux Oil * sinjin * roxis*
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Jan 29, 2009 5:17:59 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Jan 29, 2009 5:17:59 GMT -5
Scratch that - Nanook has voted (her one post in this thread).
Sachertorte & Rysto are involved and I feel safe that they will be putting up a vote. Peeker's been active as well, and did have votes out at one time.
MHaye & Hal have made a few comments but I don't see much lately. MiteyMouse has been quiet but she's part of the Mason deal so that should change. misterblockey has several posts & comments of value but continues to withhold votes.
Koldanar speculated that he probably would lurk and has contributed almost nothing of substance, and nothing in the last few days.
Aubby came in late and hasn't said much. Not much of a read. I might have put her on here if I had another vote.
There's something fishy about the Masons. Both zeriel and Mr. Special Ed have now voted for themselves. I can't see what the gain is if one of them is scum, but I also wonder if they need votes to activate powers or something like that.
unvote all vote: 1. brokentree 2. misterblockey 3. Koldanar.
My ranking here isn't particularly strong - but I'm picking what I see as the most anti-town play. This could be scum here as well, but these are late-day prods more than anything.
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Jan 29, 2009 6:10:20 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 29, 2009 6:10:20 GMT -5
That said, it does make a little more sense now. Pede had initially meant for a reversal of Days and Night. Scum kills in the Day, when town would need protection, etc...so your PM having that mistake seems quite possible. Well, saying that in your original post would have made it clear. Thanks for explaining, Mr Special Ed. I do have one question: 1. How was your PM worded? I'm wondering because if it just says "You don't know your fellow Mason's alignments", it's possible that none of you are scum and that pede just words the Mason PM this way so that you can't automatically tell when he includes a scum Mason in his games. I have never been a Mason in one of pede's games, so I wouldn't know. However, if it explicitly states that one of you is scum, then obviously one of you is.
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Jan 29, 2009 6:18:12 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 29, 2009 6:18:12 GMT -5
This is minor, because so much of his defense seems to be “I got mislynched in prior games so I shouldn’t be a suspect.” Admittedly, he often comes across as scummy when he’s Town. Hell, I was suspicious of him in Skrull Planet, and I was the one who wrote his (Town) role. Also because he’s “not feeling the Roxis bandwagon” 2 hours after her roleclaim, but he doesn’t even comment on the claim. Historical note: The term PFK originated in Batman to mean all the third party players. Catwoman (survivor) was a PFK, as was Riddler (whatever-the-hell-his-role-actually-was). “Malicious PFK” were the ones that could steal the wins. I’m going to sleep now. I'll quickly respond to that: I didn't notice the roleclaim until she corrected it, which was after my post. I believe I made three posts within a few hours and didn't bother to read up again after the first one. As for her claim, I don't see much that merits discussion apart from the curious "correction" of it, which may or may not be true. Well I didn't particularly suspect her before it, so I'm not inclined to vote her because of it either. On a completely different subject: so Zeriel claims one of the masons is scum. Leaving us with a 1/3 chance of hitting scum by voting either the person who, according to Zeriel (although like Hoopy I'd like some more details here) didn't want that revalation made public, the person who's been accused of using some pretty dubious logic to try and "bus" Roxis, and the most overtly evil-seeming man on the face of the planet (TM). Well, a 1/3 shot is very likely to be statistically better than 5/24 or whatever the chances are of hitting scum / malicious PFKs in this game. Now if only there was some game mechanic that allowed you to vote all three masons at once. OH WAIT - THERE IS! Unvote everything.Vote MiteyMouse (1 - three votes). Vote MrSpecialEd (2 - two votes). Vote Zeriel (3 - one vote).
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Jan 29, 2009 6:26:27 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jan 29, 2009 6:26:27 GMT -5
There's something fishy about the Masons. Both zeriel and Mr. Special Ed have now voted for themselves. I can't see what the gain is if one of them is scum, but I also wonder if they need votes to activate powers or something like that. Well if that's the case, they should still be voted for. You could hardly "fake" a mason claim and expect there to be no counterclaims unless they'd been specifically told there were no other masons in the game. And giving a scummy player that kind of info would be a massive and game-breakingly unfair advantage IMO. I don't think Pedescribe would do it.
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Jan 29, 2009 7:54:56 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 29, 2009 7:54:56 GMT -5
Well. Ok. Unvote 1. Mitey Mouse 2. Zeriel 3. Special Ed[/color] In order of suspicion. Question for all three of you, does your PM indicate whether or not your Scum-Mason is in communication with the other Scum? ][/quote] My PM doesn't explicitly state the Scum can communicate with the other Scum. We've all been operating on that assumption in the mason thread.
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Jan 29, 2009 8:02:29 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 29, 2009 8:02:29 GMT -5
That said, it does make a little more sense now. Pede had initially meant for a reversal of Days and Night. Scum kills in the Day, when town would need protection, etc...so your PM having that mistake seems quite possible. Well, saying that in your original post would have made it clear. Well, I hadn't thought it all through. Someties I just post ideas, and as a conversation goes on, more ideas come out to help me decide. 1. How was your PM worded? My PM very clearly and explicitly states that one of the 3 of us is aligned with Scum
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Jan 29, 2009 8:03:44 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 29, 2009 8:03:44 GMT -5
Who first suggested coming out with it on Day One? How quickly did the other person agree? Did MiteyMouse suggest coming out on Day Two first, or did it come as a counter-argument to coming out on Day One? I think that's it for now. I'll have more questions later I'm sure to sort this mess out. Who first suggested coming out with it on Day One?I brought up the idea of claiming at first. It is true that it might take 2 mislynches. But it might also take none, giving us a Scum and 2 confirmed masons. There's a 33% chance of that. a 33% chance of 1 mislynch and 1 confirmed Town at the end, and a 33% chance of 2 mislynches. How quickly did the other person agree?None of us agreed. In fact, I hadn't even agreed to it. I'd just brought up the point of discussion. mitey did seem to be against it, using her semi-claimed power as a reason for living longer. I was probably leaning toward claiming on Day 1 or Day 2, Zeriel trumped us and just claimed. Did MiteyMouse suggest coming out on Day Two first, or did it come as a counter-argument to coming out on Day One?We had been talking about coming out on Day 1 or Day 2. Mitey hadn't really decided one way or the other, but it seemed she was leaning toward Day 2.
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Jan 29, 2009 8:14:17 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Jan 29, 2009 8:14:17 GMT -5
I don't know if this is possible, but I would like to see role pms from the three of you simoul-posted sometime today. Can you all agree to be online at the same time today? The way I see it happening is you all check in and then we start a timer with all of you posting say 60 seconds after the timer starts. I know this isn't a perfect method, but it's the best I can come up with before the caffeine kicks in.
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Jan 29, 2009 8:20:30 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 29, 2009 8:20:30 GMT -5
I've got work and then my daughter has a band concert this evening. I can be around in roughly 14 or 15 hours.
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Jan 29, 2009 8:24:06 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Jan 29, 2009 8:24:06 GMT -5
Well in light of parzival's claim I feel for now I should unvote parzival . I just feel with out further evidance or a counter claim. It would be bad to vote a possible power role town person. I will wait till after work today and see if those mason's post's there PM'S and what else come out, to replace my 2nd vote.
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Jan 29, 2009 8:25:17 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 29, 2009 8:25:17 GMT -5
My PM very clearly and explicitly states that one of the 3 of us is aligned with Scum Alrighty, thanks. So, barring her first two posts (which were just voting and changing one vote, respectively), this is what we have to work with. Her first post with substance shows up on page 6: I have to say that I really don't like Vanilla claims either and am almost always sceptical of Doctor claims as, they are hard to back up but, can allow a player to coast through the game. I don't really like the mass claiming even if it is just names. Though I'm pretty lost on the colour, I think the bigger names might get offed first because it's possible that they are the power roles...or it would be assumed that they are. As for the full claim, I think that the people that hold the roles will know when it is time for them to come out and nobody else can really decide for them when that is. And...that's it. The only thing she's contributed has been her thoughts on the 'nilla/role/name claims. Miteymouse, I'd like to see you contribute more. You haven't given us any reason to suspect you're anything, but we can't assume you're not the scum mason either. We can't assume anything, because you've barely participated. Oh, and while I'm thinking of it, Unvote Mr Special Ed 1.That isn't to say I'm not going to vote for you, since there's a 33% chance you're scum, but you cleared your post up for me, so as of now, I have no good reason to keep my vote on you.
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Jan 29, 2009 8:36:50 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 29, 2009 8:36:50 GMT -5
Do we think pede actually forgot the word "town" or did roxis forget to insert it when she fabricated her role PM. Perhaps she deleted an initial paragraph explaining her role as Scum. It might also make sense if her powers aren't Night powers, but are Day powers. That is, protecting from a lynch or Vig Day kill, um..redirecting..maybe if there are more Day powers out there. I've seen games with Day investigators, and also poisoning during that Day. It does seem at least a little feasible that she may have posted accurately initially and then had some Scum help trying to recover from her blunder. I think the correction is a null tell. I can see either case being equally relevant. Though, the fact that later you bring up the whole day/night reversal thing (and being the only one to note it) speaks in favor of you not wanting to send roxis to lynch. If you wanted her lynched, I would have expected you wouldn't mention a point that no one else brought up. This is a null tell in of itself, but it's an interesting point that will mean more in context. If I had the power to protect from a lynch, I would have just let you guys pile votes on me and then self-protected. A seasoned veteran such as yourself surely would know that. Your argument does not hold water. I've said it before; I'll say it again. Using your power to stop your own lynch is anti-town for anyone without another power on the side and questionable for those who even have another power. In the hypothetical, since you would have extra powers, it might be worth it if you thought you could use your powers effectively. But you will be delaying information for town and creating a good possibility that town will have to deal with you again at some point. 2. From the mason board discussion, he realized the Town masons also have additional powers, and he decided his life as a Scum wasn't going to last long, and he decided to try to get mitey and me lynched and/or NK'd ASAP. This is metagame, but from what I've seen when masons have individual powers, they tend to either be weak powers or ones with a restriction. I think the townie masons have to take the usefulness of their powers into consideration on what the scummy mason's motivation would be. And speaking of motivations, do any of the masons want to repost here any/all of the discussion posts on the mason board? It might help the rest of us get an idea of what's going on in each of your heads. Use your judgement on what you don't want to reveal, but understand that scum might know all of it already, depending on if your scum mason is communicating with the other scum. Also, Pede, I hate to ask, but would you be willing to confirm or deny that there was in error in Roxis original PM she recieved from you? Please not that I'm not asking for you to say whether either PM she has posted is accurate, just whether or not the original PM she recieved from you is accurate.
I understand that this could lead to a measure of mod-confirmination, but I ask you to consider the boat she's in if the original PM was inaccurate...[/color][/quote] The problem with this is if he confirms there was no error, he instantly outs roxis as a liar. If he refuses to answer or says there was an error, it's a null tell either way. I have the monster of all viruses (virii?) [pedantic grammar nazi] It's viruses. [/pedantic grammar nazi] Actually, only DBI/Catwoman couldn't steal the win. Riddler would leave everyone else playing for second place. Everyone else would win exclusively. The malicious ones (in this case the day and night serial killers) were the ones who had to be dead for either town or scum to win. In other words, if town defeats scum or scum defeat town, the SK's still both had to be dead. If the SK's were already dead by that point, the other PFK didn't matter. Not sure of the 50%, no, I pulled that particular percentage outa my arse. I should have inserted a "roughly" or some such in there. 28 percent of statistics are made up on the spot. I never explicitly said this, but my early votes were never meant to be rock solid arguments. The few things I saw were just some hints of scumminess, which I wanted to push at a bit. The reaction at least gave us some discussion, which is always useful (even if doesn't reveal scum, it lets us know more about players). And it's why I didn't vote you despite your voting me. Did I think your rationale was lacking? Sure. Did I think your actions were scummy? Nope. You got people talking and first voters frequently take heat, especially since you voted for 3 people right away. It seems very gutsy for scum to do this early. it's possible that none of you are scum and that pede just words the Mason PM this way so that you can't automatically tell when he includes a scum Mason in his games. I have never been a Mason in one of pede's games, so I wouldn't know. I believe this is only ped's second game hosting. His first had no masons. So I don't think anyone here has been Mason in one of pede's games before. On a completely different subject: so Zeriel claims one of the masons is scum. Leaving us with a 1/3 chance of hitting scum by voting either the person who, according to Zeriel (although like Hoopy I'd like some more details here) I believe your confusing me with Senor Pantalones de Fuego since this is my first time posting since the mason thing. Understandable since I was going by Senor Vorpal Kickasso in the Gastard game.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:11:56 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 9:11:56 GMT -5
Also, Pede, I hate to ask, but would you be willing to confirm or deny that there was in error in Roxis original PM she recieved from you? Please not that I'm not asking for you to say whether either PM she has posted is accurate, just whether or not the original PM she recieved from you is accurate.
I understand that this could lead to a measure of mod-confirmination, but I ask you to consider the boat she's in if the original PM was inaccurate...[/color][/quote] I will not confirm or deny that anything roxis has posted concerning private communications was accurate. However, I will say this: The decision to switch back to normal day/night terminology was made very late in the making of the game. Also: the decision to add alignment information directly in the first line of the PMs was also made very late in the game. Originally, there was none, and the player had to figure it out for themselves. This was changed on account of being incredibly stupid.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:13:04 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 9:13:04 GMT -5
Oh, one last thing... To avoid last game's issue: Will the role reveal for dead masons be "Town Mason" and "SCUM Mason" or just "Mason" for all of them?The death scene for every player (barring extraordinarily unusual circumstances) will reveal both alignment and role.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:14:21 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 29, 2009 9:14:21 GMT -5
Much needed vote count. Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | Kat | MiteyMouse | Aubby | molefan | KidVermicious | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | molefan | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | brokentree | misterblocky | Koldanar | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | shaggy | Koldanar | | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | TDPatriots | brokentree | Aubby | Nanook | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | crazypunker | brokentree |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | MiteyMouse | 15 | Kat, KidVermicious, molefan, Mr. Special Ed, Zeriel | | | brokentree | 8 | Parzival, TDPatriots | | Pollux Oil, Zeriel | Parzival | 7 | crazypunker | Nanook, sinjin | | Mr. Special Ed | 6 | | molefan, Pollux Oil | KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | crazypunker | 5 | Hoopy Frood | Zeriel | | Zeriel | 5 | | KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Koldanar | 4 | shaggy | | Parzival | Aubby | 4 | | Kat, TDPatriots | | roxis | 3 | Nanook | | | misterblocky | 2 | | Parzival | | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | Nanook | 1 | | | TDPatriots | peekercpa | 1 | | | Nanook | molefan | 1 | | | Kat |
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Jan 29, 2009 9:16:18 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 9:16:18 GMT -5
Gaah! Ninja'd!
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Jan 29, 2009 9:18:07 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 9:18:07 GMT -5
In order of suspicion. Question for all three of you, does your PM indicate whether or not your Scum-Mason is in communication with the other Scum? I asked pede, and the answer that I got was "the traitor mason is a scum, not a pfk" and combined that with the fact that he said in this thread that "all scum in all my games can always day-talk" it seemed like the obvious conclusion to reach.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:18:53 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 29, 2009 9:18:53 GMT -5
LOL! I was wondering if I was going to beat you to it... --FCOD
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Jan 29, 2009 9:23:20 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 9:23:20 GMT -5
Who first suggested coming out with it on Day One? How quickly did the other person agree? Did MiteyMouse suggest coming out on Day Two first, or did it come as a counter-argument to coming out on Day One? I think that's it for now. I'll have more questions later I'm sure to sort this mess out. Ed first suggested it and I will admit that I wanted to wait as, the Masons could be a good role if we were able to get the Scum among us outted first. At this point I asked for some time to think and said that I had a plan (my magic bag). The next day I did agree that coming out earlier was better. That way the rest of the players could decide what to do with us. Zer came in and said that he'd prefer to play a game of three handed mafia before we came out. I asked for time...I believe my first post after Ed's suggestion was that I would like to hold off on claiming for right now. Then said Day 2 and then my last post yesterday said that I was unsure as to Day 1 or 2. I didn't want a flurry of last minute votes and vote changes and thought that if we waited until first thing on Day 2 it would give us oodles of time to talk...but, kind of wanted Day 1 as, I think I'm going to be killed tonight! Yes, I did magic bag but, did it when I wasn't thinking properly and couldn't take it back...so I sort of came out (I have a role) I have not been rolefishing as Zer states though...except for once asking the Scum to come out. Now, Ed and I are on similar time zones and I'm not sure about where Zer is but, Ed and I usually are on for a bit together and well...argue and talk things out. Zer has roughly 1/2 the posts that Ed and I do and seems to pop in after us. While I initially thought that ED was the Scum among us, I am getting more convinced that it is Zer. He seems to be sitting back and watching Ed and I kind of duke it out. Vote Zer #1 Vote Ed #2 Vote Mitey #3
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Jan 29, 2009 9:24:42 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 9:24:42 GMT -5
My original PM had severe errors in it, so I'll post it and Pede's correction if you really want. It did explicitly say there was one scum among the masons.
The biggest problem with the "scum wouldn't nightkill masons" argument is that we have powers. For example, Mitey was trying to hint pretty strongly in the mason boards that she had some kind of investigative powers. As soon as the scum mason goes down the scum has no incentive not to take us out at night.
MrSpecialEd brought up the idea of claiming first due to the fact that the scum mason is assumed to be able to talk to other scum based on our questioning of pede. Mitey then said sure we should claim early but it we wait till day two I can tell who the scum is, for serious. I then voted for a day one claim. And then I acted unilaterally because I was not going to have us dither around and then spring this shit on you all on Friday morning.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:25:12 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jan 29, 2009 9:25:12 GMT -5
A thought on the Mason kerfuffle:
I wonder if none of the Masons know which of them is scum? Would it be too much of a stretch to imagine a game mechanic in which the last surviving Mason becomes scum? If none of them can currently communicate with scum, I don't see anything preventing this from being the case.
Just a thought, anyway. So, Masons, do any of you have anything in your PM that would take this idea off the table?
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