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Jan 29, 2009 9:26:33 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 9:26:33 GMT -5
My playtime has always been centered between 8am-2pmish and then 8pm-10pmish eastern time. I wasn't originally in the thread for the first discussion over the weekend because pede screwed up my PM and didn't tell me where the mason board was or who you two were until I asked for a correction.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:28:48 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Jan 29, 2009 9:28:48 GMT -5
I've said it before; I'll say it again. Using your power to stop your own lynch is anti-town for anyone without another power on the side and questionable for those who even have another power. In the hypothetical, since you would have extra powers, it might be worth it if you thought you could use your powers effectively. But you will be delaying information for town and creating a good possibility that town will have to deal with you again at some point. Which is why I wouldn't have done it if I was town. The way I understood Mr Special Ed's post was that he was speculating that I might be scum with lynch-stopping powers. Hence, my reply stated that if I were scum with lynch-stopping abilities, I would have stopped my own lynch and not gone through the risk of claiming.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:29:41 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 29, 2009 9:29:41 GMT -5
New Improved Vote Count (Now with a list of players not voting) Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | Kat | MiteyMouse | Aubby | molefan | KidVermicious | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | molefan | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | brokentree | misterblocky | Koldanar | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | shaggy | Koldanar | Parzival | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | TDPatriots | brokentree | Aubby | Nanook | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | crazypunker | brokentree |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | MiteyMouse | 16 | Kat, KidVermicious, molefan, Mr. Special Ed, Zeriel | | MiteyMouse | Parzival | 9 | crazypunker | Nanook, shaggy, sinjin | | brokentree | 8 | Parzival, TDPatriots | | Pollux Oil, Zeriel | Zeriel | 8 | MiteyMouse | KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | 8 | | MiteyMouse, molefan, Pollux Oil | KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | crazypunker | 5 | Hoopy Frood | Zeriel | | Aubby | 4 | | Kat, TDPatriots | | Koldanar | 4 | shaggy | | Parzival | roxis | 3 | Nanook | | | misterblocky | 2 | | Parzival | | Nanook | 1 | | | TDPatriots | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | molefan | 1 | | | Kat | peekercpa | 1 | | | Nanook |
Not Voting: Aubby, brokentree, Hal Briston, Koldanar, Merestil Haye, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis, Rysto, Sachertorte --FCOD
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Jan 29, 2009 9:29:51 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 29, 2009 9:29:51 GMT -5
And speaking of motivations, do any of the masons want to repost here any/all of the discussion posts on the mason board? It might help the rest of us get an idea of what's going on in each of your heads. Use your judgement on what you don't want to reveal, but understand that scum might know all of it already, depending on if your scum mason is communicating with the other scum. You are too kind. I'm in the "I demand to see the mason board... all of it" camp. There is no reason to hide the mason discussion. Presumably scum have access to that information so suppressing it only hurts Town.
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Jan 29, 2009 9:37:55 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 9:37:55 GMT -5
Here is my PM...
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Jan 29, 2009 9:39:48 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 9:39:48 GMT -5
I figured that since it looks like I'm going to die at this point, I have nothing to lose...and if Zer can unilaterally decide when to out us, I can unilaterally decide that we are showing our PMs or at least I am!
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Jan 29, 2009 9:58:05 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 29, 2009 9:58:05 GMT -5
Prior to Zeriel's unilateral decision to roleclaim, of the three (Zeriel, Special Ed, and Miteymouse) I found Special Ed the most scummy. However, this opinion is highly shaded by Ed's higher profile in the game thread.
I disagree with the assessment that the masons should have waited to Day Two to claim. The evidence suggests that this information is readily available to scum. Hiding the masons further would only be hiding the masons from pro-town elements.
We need to kill the scum mason, that is clear. Choosing one of the three randomly gives us a 1 in 3 chance of hitting scum. Not terrific, but I would venture to guess that lynching one of the other 21 would not yield better odds. Do we really think there are 7 hostiles in the remaining 21? I don't; that's a ridiculously high number. So in that sense lynching a mason seems like a good bet. Another reason to lynch a mason is it would put a cap on the roleclaims for Today.
However, lynching isn't necessarily the only way we can kill the scum mason. Night One Vigs are often faced with a terrible choice of whether or not to kill, or if compelled to kill... who to kill. Another avenue of approach would be to ignore the masons for today's lynch, and leave it up to pro-town killing roles to take care of the scum mason for us.
Roxis has claimed a killing role, and if I read her PM correctly, she can kill on Night Two.
I would like to see the mason board posts. If the scum mason is clear from that, I'd go with it.
Meanwhile, 1. Nanook 2. Koldanar 3. Hal Briston
I will change my vote to lynch a mason if I deem the evidence sufficient. I think the mason board is key
I'd rather these non-participants get replaced, but if that isn't an option. I think we need to get rid of them before we have to deal with them at the endgame with little to no post history to rely on. Also, my plan on the Day was to push "real" discussion as much as possible to make the Day as useful as possible, then ditch the discussion and lynch a lurker. I didn't want to push for lynching a lurker early in the Day as that would have killed the utility of Today. As it stands we have a decent (not enough, but decent) amount of discussion and the mason situation will clearly be taking up the rest of the Day.
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Jan 29, 2009 10:01:31 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 10:01:31 GMT -5
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Jan 29, 2009 10:09:00 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 10:09:00 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | Kat | MiteyMouse | Aubby | molefan | KidVermicious | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | molefan | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | brokentree | misterblocky | Koldanar | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | Sachertorte | Nanook | Koldanar | Hal Briston | shaggy | Koldanar | Parzival | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | TDPatriots | brokentree | Aubby | Nanook | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | crazypunker | brokentree |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | MiteyMouse | 16 | Kat, KidVermicious, molefan, Mr. Special Ed, Zeriel | | MiteyMouse | Parzival | 9 | crazypunker | Nanook, shaggy, sinjin | | brokentree | 8 | Parzival, TDPatriots | | Pollux Oil, Zeriel | Zeriel | 8 | MiteyMouse | KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | 8 | | MiteyMouse, molefan, Pollux Oil | KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | Koldanar | 6 | shaggy | Sachertorte | Parzival | crazypunker | 5 | Hoopy Frood | Zeriel | | Nanook | 4 | Sachertorte | | TDPatriots | Aubby | 4 | | Kat, TDPatriots | | roxis | 3 | Nanook | | | misterblocky | 2 | | Parzival | | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | Hal Briston | 1 | | | Sachertorte | molefan | 1 | | | Kat | peekercpa | 1 | | | Nanook |
Not Voting: Aubby, brokentree, Hal Briston, Koldanar, Merestil Haye, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis, Rysto Also, Koldanar is being subbed out. Most likely for Greedy Smurf, but he hasn't gotten back to me yet.
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Jan 29, 2009 10:26:25 GMT -5
Post by aubby on Jan 29, 2009 10:26:25 GMT -5
I get that I haven't been reading well enough and the votes and suspicions on me are fair. I also guess that I haven't said much. Those who have played with me before (which I realize aren't many before) know I don't say much unless I have a point to say (like my stupid spy theory) and don't like to just echo other people's posts (although I did in KidV's case because I was also really confused).
As for the 3 masons, I am a bit suspicious of zerial for coming out without the support of his partners. Makes him look good and the other 2 suspicious, right? Okay, he posted his PM... so have a few others.
Mr Special Ed concerns me because he doesn't really seem to confirm or deny anything other than he is a Mason. Although my concern is probably wrong because he is usually MORE likely to elaborate if he is SCUM.
Which leaves my other suspicion on Mitey.
VOTE: 1. Zeriel 2. Mitey 3. Koldanar (placeholder)
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Jan 29, 2009 10:45:01 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 29, 2009 10:45:01 GMT -5
If all three masons agree, can we make the mason board public? It would save them from having to cut and paste everything.
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Jan 29, 2009 10:50:31 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 10:50:31 GMT -5
I get that I haven't been reading well enough and the votes and suspicions on me are fair. I also guess that I haven't said much. Those who have played with me before (which I realize aren't many before) know I don't say much unless I have a point to say (like my stupid spy theory) and don't like to just echo other people's posts (although I did in KidV's case because I was also really confused). As for the 3 masons, I am a bit suspicious of zerial for coming out without the support of his partners. Makes him look good and the other 2 suspicious, right? Okay, he posted his PM... so have a few others. Mr Special Ed concerns me because he doesn't really seem to confirm or deny anything other than he is a Mason. Although my concern is probably wrong because he is usually MORE likely to elaborate if he is SCUM. Which leaves my other suspicion on Mitey. VOTE: 1. Zeriel 2. Mitey 3. Koldanar (placeholder)
I find this very interesting Aubby. You know that one of the 3 masons are Scum and you only vote for 2 of them? Then you place a placeholder vote? Why didn't Ed earn a vote?
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Jan 29, 2009 10:56:20 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 10:56:20 GMT -5
If all three masons agree, can we make the mason board public? It would save them from having to cut and paste everything. No. Absolutely not.
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Jan 29, 2009 10:57:58 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 29, 2009 10:57:58 GMT -5
Which is why I wouldn't have done it if I was town. The way I understood Mr Special Ed's post was that he was speculating that I might be scum with lynch-stopping powers. Hence, my reply stated that if I were scum with lynch-stopping abilities, I would have stopped my own lynch and not gone through the risk of claiming. Gotcha. I kind of missed that point. And to add one more meta-game point, in games where there is some confirmation of the role (e.g. open setups, or some type of role-reveal even if they do come back) postponing your lynch is still pro-town if it confirms you.
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Jan 29, 2009 11:05:06 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 29, 2009 11:05:06 GMT -5
So do one of the masons want to start pasting the mason discussion into the game thread, then?
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Jan 29, 2009 11:05:34 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jan 29, 2009 11:05:34 GMT -5
unvote all[/color]
I'm still suspicious of brokentree and aubby for reasons previously stated but I think I'll be voting for the three masons, holding off on the specific order until we hear about the mason board. The one-out-of-three chance is, as said, a pretty good option. In any case I've got enough to catch up on re-reading wise while the mason angle shakes itself out.
Since pedescribe has ruled out opening the boards, I'm looking forward to some copypasta.
Mmm... pasta...
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Jan 29, 2009 11:09:24 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 29, 2009 11:09:24 GMT -5
So do one of the masons want to start pasting the mason discussion into the game thread, then? This pretty much needs to happen ASAP.
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Jan 29, 2009 11:10:54 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jan 29, 2009 11:10:54 GMT -5
So, who secretly diddled with their PM? MiteyMouse quotes his as saying "mason", while zeriel quotes his as saying "Town mason".
And zeriel -- dude -- Ganondorf? Fricking Ganon?? Even folks on the periphery of the video game scene knew that Ganon was a major bad guy. I'm not going to pretend to know how he's looked at in the (wholly unfamiliar to me) SSB world, but if you're town, that's a very unfortunate name to be stuck with.
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Jan 29, 2009 11:17:22 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 29, 2009 11:17:22 GMT -5
And zeriel -- dude -- Ganondorf? Fricking Ganon?? Even folks on the periphery of the video game scene knew that Ganon was a major bad guy. I'm not going to pretend to know how he's looked at in the (wholly unfamiliar to me) SSB world, but if you're town, that's a very unfortunate name to be stuck with. All three masons are the big bad guys in their respective original game series. Hence, this is probably why they are called "The Baddies". We could easily see traditional good guys among SCUM.
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Jan 29, 2009 11:20:20 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jan 29, 2009 11:20:20 GMT -5
Arright -- seems to me that, at least for the moment, the three masons deserve the votes*.
To answer my own question from my last post, I think it was zeriel who added in the word "Town", simply because of capitalization issues. I also think he decided to gain townie cred by jumping ahead of the pack and outing the Mason's dirty little secret. Because of this, he'll get my #1 vote. The other two could go either way for me, so we'll just call it:
Vote: 1: zeriel 2: MiteyMouse 3: Mr. Special Ed
*Don't worry, Peeker -- I've still got a vote for you and your sheep jokes stashed in my back pocket
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Jan 29, 2009 11:22:19 GMT -5
Post by aubby on Jan 29, 2009 11:22:19 GMT -5
Mitey, my vote on you is weak. I feel like I should vote for the masons at this point because obviously one of you is SCUM. It's more of a placeholder than a real vote. In my mind I originally thought Mr Special Ed should be SCUM, but he's just not acting the way he does when he's SCUM. However, he's a great pretender in the mafia games.
I hate this three vote thing, but should just keep my trap shut because I missed the first few days when the votes were going on to initiate it. The only person I really want to vote for right now is Zeriel.
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Jan 29, 2009 11:23:49 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 11:23:49 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Aubby | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | Koldanar | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hal Briston | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | Kat | MiteyMouse | Aubby | molefan | KidVermicious | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | molefan | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | brokentree | misterblocky | Koldanar | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | Sachertorte | Nanook | Koldanar | Hal Briston | shaggy | Koldanar | Parzival | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | crazypunker | brokentree |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | MiteyMouse | 20 | Kat, KidVermicious, molefan, Mr. Special Ed, Zeriel | Aubby, Hal Briston | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | 14 | Aubby, Hal Briston, MiteyMouse | KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Parzival | 9 | crazypunker | Nanook, shaggy, sinjin | | Mr. Special Ed | 9 | | MiteyMouse, molefan, Pollux Oil | Hal Briston, KidVermicious, Mr. Special Ed | Koldanar | 7 | shaggy | Sachertorte | Aubby, Parzival | brokentree | 5 | Parzival | | Pollux Oil, Zeriel | crazypunker | 5 | Hoopy Frood | Zeriel | | roxis | 3 | Nanook | | | Nanook | 3 | Sachertorte | | | misterblocky | 2 | | Parzival | | Aubby | 2 | | Kat | | Hal Briston | 1 | | | Sachertorte | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | molefan | 1 | | | Kat | peekercpa | 1 | | | Nanook |
Not Voting: brokentree, Koldanar, Merestil Haye, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis, Rysto, TDPatriots
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Jan 29, 2009 11:30:16 GMT -5
Post by aubby on Jan 29, 2009 11:30:16 GMT -5
unvote: 2. Mitey
I know this makes my other 2 votes null, atm. Will get my replacement in before the end of the day.
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Jan 29, 2009 11:37:04 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 11:37:04 GMT -5
unvote: 2. Mitey
I know this makes my other 2 votes null, atm. Will get my replacement in before the end of the day. I am ok with your vote on me Aubby. After I die you will have it down to 2 to pick from. My questioning was about why when you had a 1 out of 3 shot of getting a Scum, you left out one of the 3. As to the copying and pasting our threads here, I have no problem with it but, I want to hear from the other 2 first.
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Jan 29, 2009 11:44:40 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Jan 29, 2009 11:44:40 GMT -5
I say that when two of you agree to post it, just do it. We can't wait all Day.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:10:45 GMT -5
Post by brokentree on Jan 29, 2009 12:10:45 GMT -5
OK I can't figure how to get the quote up...Mighty Mouse...I really don't think you should wait to cut and paste parts of the mason thread. Zeriel did not wait for you...actually it seems as though he worked against you...and MR. Special Ed is at work. Feel free to do what you think is right!!
VOTE1. Zeriel VOTE2. Mightymouse VOTE 3. Mr. Special Ed
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Jan 29, 2009 12:13:33 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 12:13:33 GMT -5
Unvote 1. Zeriel 2. Special Ed 3. Miteymouse
I'm adjusting this because I liked that Mitey had no fear posting her PM.
Mason board posts, please! Ya'll have given us a mystery, now hook us up with the tools to solve it.
Mods can edit. Fixing color tags.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:14:28 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 12:14:28 GMT -5
Unvote 1. Zeriel 2. Special Ed 3. Miteymouse
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Jan 29, 2009 12:19:35 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 12:19:35 GMT -5
So, who secretly diddled with their PM? MiteyMouse quotes his as saying "mason", while zeriel quotes his as saying "Town mason". And zeriel -- dude -- Ganondorf? Fricking Ganon?? Even folks on the periphery of the video game scene knew that Ganon was a major bad guy. I'm not going to pretend to know how he's looked at in the (wholly unfamiliar to me) SSB world, but if you're town, that's a very unfortunate name to be stuck with. Did you read the color? The Mason group is all traditional big bads from games you apparently haven't played--King Dedede from Kirby's Whatever-the-Fuck and Wolf from Starfox.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:21:20 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Jan 29, 2009 12:21:20 GMT -5
OK I can't figure how to get the quote up
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