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Jan 29, 2009 12:22:12 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 12:22:12 GMT -5
SpecialEd, you can save this right now by throwing your PM up there and it having "Town Mason" in the title. Unless that's another one of the things that Pede screwed up when he sent me the wrong PM first.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:22:44 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 12:22:44 GMT -5
Although I'm glad someone pointed that out--I totally missed that upon reading Mitey's PM. Nice confirmation of who to lynch tomorrow if you decide I'm the one to die today.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:24:16 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 12:24:16 GMT -5
As an aside, we have a sample Mason PM posted on the Mason boards. It does not include the name/alignment line at all.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:27:01 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 29, 2009 12:27:01 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Aubby | Zeriel | | Koldanar | brokentree | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hal Briston | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | Kat | MiteyMouse | Aubby | molefan | KidVermicious | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | molefan | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | brokentree | misterblocky | Koldanar | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | Sachertorte | Nanook | Koldanar | Hal Briston | shaggy | Koldanar | Parzival | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | crazypunker | brokentree |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | MiteyMouse | 18 | Kat, molefan, Mr. Special Ed, Zeriel | brokentree, Hal Briston | KidVermicious, MiteyMouse | Zeriel | 18 | Aubby, brokentree, Hal Briston, KidVermicious, MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | 11 | | KidVermicious, MiteyMouse, molefan, Pollux Oil | brokentree, Hal Briston, Mr. Special Ed | Parzival | 9 | crazypunker | Nanook, shaggy, sinjin | | Koldanar | 7 | shaggy | Sachertorte | Aubby, Parzival | brokentree | 5 | Parzival | | Pollux Oil, Zeriel | crazypunker | 5 | Hoopy Frood | Zeriel | | roxis | 3 | Nanook | | | Nanook | 3 | Sachertorte | | | misterblocky | 2 | | Parzival | | Aubby | 2 | | Kat | | Hal Briston | 1 | | | Sachertorte | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | molefan | 1 | | | Kat | peekercpa | 1 | | | Nanook |
Not Voting: Koldanar, Merestil Haye, misterblocky, peekercpa, roxis, Rysto, TDPatriots --FCOD
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Jan 29, 2009 12:39:14 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jan 29, 2009 12:39:14 GMT -5
As an aside, we have a sample Mason PM posted on the Mason boards. It does not include the name/alignment line at all. Hmmm...that just made me think to look at the sample role PMs, and they clearly say "Town" or "Scum". Gonna have to ponder this one a bit...
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Jan 29, 2009 12:46:30 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 12:46:30 GMT -5
According to the rules information, there is a twelve hour countdown created by a majority of points. I forgot to specify how many that is.
36 points start a countdown.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:47:39 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jan 29, 2009 12:47:39 GMT -5
Ok, here's how I'm going to play this one -- others can feel free to use my reasoning or not.
First, I'm going to make one assumption: that Pede did not mistakenly leave the word "Town" out of MiteyMouse's PM. The town ones either both said "Mason" or they both said "Town Mason", and the scum one likely said "Scum Mason" (or something very similar).
If we accept that, then either MiteyMouse or Zeriel edited their PM to remove the word "Scum". The only way we have to confirm which one is to see Mr. Special Ed's PM. So basically, Ed will determine which of those two are my main target.
Of course, there's nothing stopping Ed from being scum himself, in which case it doesn't matter what he says -- he'd still be damning a Mason, and he'd be lynched the following day for doing so.
So, Mr. Special Ed, what say you?
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Jan 29, 2009 12:55:12 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 12:55:12 GMT -5
I don't think thats a safe assumption, Hal. Pedescribe has said that there was some confusion over what information was going to go into the PMs, and one player uninvolved with the Mason debacle (eat yer heart out, Story ) has already claimed her PM was not complete...
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Jan 29, 2009 12:57:35 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 29, 2009 12:57:35 GMT -5
A thought on the Mason kerfuffleBahahahahhhahahahah!!! success! Alright I've looked at this mason stuff and I've come to a few conclusions, and they're metagamy yay! Zeriel: unilaterally outed the masons, targets mitey for claiming investigative powers Mitey Mouse: did a magic bag Special Ed: has been fairly quiet, proposed outing themselves first and then backed off a bit These are the basic points I see against them. I am not concerned with the pms including or not including the word town because it is clear that is an across the board issue with pms in this game and a null tell. Now to metagame a bit, if the scum have a mole in the masons, why in the world would that mole be an investigator as well. That seems strange. Meanwhile we have a scum with a clear time limit. Therefore Vote 1 Zeriel 2 Special Ed 3 Mitey MouseI'm finding zeriel the most suspicious. It just feels like the move of a scum trying to maximize confusion before time runs out for them. Also we know we have to take care of this now. If the scum mason has contact with the other scum, then there might have been voting patterns to look at and compare, if the reveal had been delayed. Now however we won't get that. Another reason for the scum mason to gamble on dying first since only causing one mislynch is better than outing multiple scum. I put Ed before Mitey, since if Mitey is telling the truth then metagame wise I find it least likely that she's the scum.
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Jan 29, 2009 12:58:07 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 12:58:07 GMT -5
Hit reply too early. I was going to add, of course one of them will have an edited PM, but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that a Town Mason might have a PM that doesn't say Town.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:01:15 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 29, 2009 13:01:15 GMT -5
Of course Ed may well be the scum and pedescribe may have glitched the pms, he HAS clearly admitted to doing that himself in this thread.
I still lean towards Zeriel as the most likely candidate, but I just wanted to make it clear I think whether or not the pm has Town in it is a null tell.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:08:39 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 29, 2009 13:08:39 GMT -5
The biggest problem with the "scum wouldn't nightkill masons" argument is that we have powers. For example, Mitey was trying to hint pretty strongly in the mason boards that she had some kind of investigative powers. As soon as the scum mason goes down the scum has no incentive not to take us out at night. You're missing my point. My point is that scum wouldn't nightkill other masons as long as the scum mason was still alive, because they wouldn't want to reduce the pool of possible scum masons. Thus, the idea of waiting until Day 2 to come out could be bad for the non-scum masons because the scum might be planning to off a mason Night 1 makes little sense. As an aside, we have a sample Mason PM posted on the Mason boards. It does not include the name/alignment line at all. Key information here. I initially thought MiteyMouse was less scummy for having revealed their (his/her?) role PM first. But the fact there was a sample Mason PM at the board means an easy alteration for posting the PM. Hm. I'm not going to change my votes just yet, but right now I'm thinking that either Ed or zeriel is scum. MiteyMouse's actions seem genuine to me, but I have another question for the masons: How long did it take MiteyMouse to magic bag his/her investigative abilities? This is key, because there could have been scum coaching on how to keep MiteyMouse alive longer. I really need my deep thoughts hat right now. This is making my brain fuzzy because there's good reasons to vote for all three of them. It's just the correct order I need to figure out.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:20:34 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 13:20:34 GMT -5
Zer has given me the go ahead to post our thread...but first...
Are we allowed to post our thread Ped/FCOD?
I don't want to risk mod kill.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:22:31 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 13:22:31 GMT -5
Zer has given me the go ahead to post our thread...but first... Are we allowed to post our thread Ped/FCOD?I don't want to risk mod kill. Allow me to give the stock answer: Yes. But I will not vouch for it, you may not put in ANY timestamps, and the town is within its rights to lynch you for doing so.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:23:23 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 29, 2009 13:23:23 GMT -5
I'm not going to change my votes just yet, but right now I'm thinking that either Ed or zeriel is scum. MiteyMouse's actions seem genuine to me Why do the other two seem less genuine?
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Jan 29, 2009 13:35:43 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Jan 29, 2009 13:35:43 GMT -5
My top two have voted. I'm still a little suspicious of brokentree but I'll pull it off him for now. And I don't know what happened with your quoting, brokentree, it looks proper in the pictures.
I'm leaning toward zeriel for Mason I least trust. I'm split between the others, so I'm only going to add one point for him. [The Borda count with three targets presents some fascinating options.]
One further question for Roxis - have you ever fully explained the inconsistency in your belief in trophyifier as PFK/other vs. being scum? It seems you jumped straight into claiming without really defending that - I don't find you particularly scummy (just anti-town for not voting), but I'm curious about it.
Unvote all
vote 1. Roxis 2. peekercpa 3. Zeriel
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Jan 29, 2009 13:44:17 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Jan 29, 2009 13:44:17 GMT -5
23 hours 15 minutes left in the Day. Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | Aubby | Zeriel | | Koldanar | brokentree | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | crazypunker | Parzival | | | Hal Briston | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Hoopy Frood | crazypunker | | | Kat | MiteyMouse | Aubby | molefan | KidVermicious | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | misterblocky | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | molefan | MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | MiteyMouse | Zeriel | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | roxis | Parzival | peekercpa | Parzival | roxis | peekercpa | Zeriel | Pollux Oil | | Mr. Special Ed | brokentree | Sachertorte | Nanook | Koldanar | Hal Briston | shaggy | Koldanar | Parzival | shaggy | sinjin | | Parzival | | Zeriel | MiteyMouse | crazypunker | brokentree |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Zeriel | 22 | Aubby, brokentree, Hal Briston, KidVermicious, misterblocky, MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | molefan, Parzival | MiteyMouse | 19 | Kat, molefan, Mr. Special Ed, Zeriel | brokentree, Hal Briston | KidVermicious, misterblocky, MiteyMouse | Mr. Special Ed | 13 | | KidVermicious, misterblocky, MiteyMouse, molefan, Pollux Oil | brokentree, Hal Briston, Mr. Special Ed | Parzival | 9 | crazypunker | Nanook, shaggy, sinjin | | roxis | 6 | Nanook, Parzival | | | Koldanar | 6 | shaggy | Sachertorte | Aubby | crazypunker | 5 | Hoopy Frood | Zeriel | | peekercpa | 3 | | Parzival | Nanook | Nanook | 3 | Sachertorte | | | brokentree | 2 | | | Pollux Oil, Zeriel | Aubby | 2 | | Kat | | shaggy | 1 | | | shaggy | Hal Briston | 1 | | | Sachertorte | molefan | 1 | | | Kat |
Not Voting: Koldanar, Merestil Haye, peekercpa, roxis, Rysto, TDPatriots --FCOD
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Jan 29, 2009 13:45:41 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jan 29, 2009 13:45:41 GMT -5
Brokentree is a her.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:49:50 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 13:49:50 GMT -5
Here is the Mason thread...I had to edit out all the time stamps. Topic: MasonTalk (Read 198 times) pedescribe For talking. miteymouse Hi fellow MASONS! mrspecialed Hi, mitey. That was an odd role PM. just three (two) of us? miteymouse It would seem that way! What's your character name Ed? I'm Wolf. mrspecialed I'm King Dedede. Looking him up now. mrspecialed
oh, I realized something. The scum know exactly who we are. Since the traitor mason can easily tell them. We've got huge targets on our back. Well, 2 of us do anyway
That is, unless they're a hidden mason like cookies in Super Mario mrspecialed hidden scum, that is.
In super mario, cookies didn't know who the other Scum were and couldn't talk with them at Night miteymouse I could be wrong but, being as 2 of us are TOWN and the other not, the traitor might want to keep us alive. If one of us dies tonight than the non traitor will know who the traitor is and bring it to the Town. So myself and one of you may be kept alive by the traitor for a bit.
I guess the question is, how much do we want to talk about in here? I mean we are going to be giving information to the Scum if we discuss strategy too much. mrspecialed miteymouse wrote: I could be wrong but, being as 2 of us are TOWN and the other not, the traitor might want to keep us alive. If one of us dies tonight than the non traitor will know who the traitor is and bring it to the Town. So myself and one of you may be kept alive by the traitor for a bit.
I guess the question is, how much do we want to talk about in here? I mean we are going to be giving information to the Scum if we discuss strategy too much.
The information sharing thing is very true. I don't see a way around it.
What about this idea? We can all come out on Day 1. Be honest about our situation, and have Town lynch us until we're all dead. Maybe a Day 1 lynch and if we have a Vig, we'll have a Scum by the latest at Day 2 (with a Vig) and Day 3 (without a Vig).
Do either of you have additional things to share? Like maybe that you're Scum? miteymouse mrspecialed wrote:
miteymouse wrote: I could be wrong but, being as 2 of us are TOWN and the other not, the traitor might want to keep us alive. If one of us dies tonight than the non traitor will know who the traitor is and bring it to the Town. So myself and one of you may be kept alive by the traitor for a bit.
I guess the question is, how much do we want to talk about in here? I mean we are going to be giving information to the Scum if we discuss strategy too much.
The information sharing thing is very true. I don't see a way around it.
What about this idea? We can all come out on Day 1. Be honest about our situation, and have Town lynch us until we're all dead. Maybe a Day 1 lynch and if we have a Vig, we'll have a Scum by the latest at Day 2 (with a Vig) and Day 3 (without a Vig).
Do either of you have additional things to share? Like maybe that you're Scum?
Let's hold off on the coming out for now...I know that 2 of us are Town and I would hate for everyone else to lynch us all for the sake of getting one. We can still have a very powerful position if we can weed out the one of us that is Scum and I have a plan I know this is a magic bag but, you have to trust me...if you are the Town. Give me some time to figure it all out though. I will post about it as soon as I can! mrspecialed it's almost like a 3 person end game within a game.
and you're magic bagging
*sigh* miteymouse mrspecialed wrote:
it's almost like a 3 person end game within a game.
and you're magic bagging
*sigh*
I know...and please stop sighing. You know me...I never magic bag and actually think that I hate the bag. Just give me some time. mrspecialed miteymouse wrote: mrspecialed wrote:
it's almost like a 3 person end game within a game.
and you're magic bagging
*sigh*
I know...and please stop sighing. You know me...I never magic bag and actually think that I hate the bag. Just give me some time.
Oh, THAT makes it all better. miteymouse mrspecialed wrote: miteymouse wrote:
I know...and please stop sighing. You know me...I never magic bag and actually think that I hate the bag. Just give me some time.
Oh, THAT makes it all better.
I know but, we have nothing but time right now. Waiting a bit won't hurt. I'd like to at least have Zer check in before I reveal my master plan (and really, it's not all that masterful..hehehe). I just need to think it out for a bit. mrspecialed OK, that's fine. I liked my idea out outing ourselves though so that at least we get 1 Scum out of the 3 of us.
zeriel I'm willing to listen, but I'd rather we play three-handed mafia here and figure out which one of us is the dirty, lying traitor before we reveal to the town. zeriel That having been said, I want to get revealed to the town ASAP unless we really stalemate on determining which of us is scum. miteymouse Hi guys...I have thought it over and think that perhaps coming out in the main thread is a good idea. I really want to trust both of you but, seeing as I know that one of you is SCUM it is not so easy for me. As ED pointed out already the 2 of us that are TOWN already have a target on our backs so, I'm no longer adverse to "coming out" in the main thread. Then if there ie a Doctor or protector, it will put some WiFOM for the Scum.
As for my magic bag, I have a power as well and if I'm correct with my understanding of it, I will be able to tell you on Day 2 which of the 2 of you is Scum...and if I die, the Town player here will have a Scum to take to the Town. I'm sorry about magic bagging but, I was a bit scared to come out so soon...and was more thinking out loud. mrspecialed miteymouse wrote: Hi guys...I have thought it over and think that perhaps coming out in the main thread is a good idea. I really want to trust both of you but, seeing as I know that one of you is SCUM it is not so easy for me. As ED pointed out already the 2 of us that are TOWN already have a target on our backs so, I'm no longer adverse to "coming out" in the main thread. Then if there ie a Doctor or protector, it will put some WiFOM for the Scum.
As for my magic bag, I have a power as well and if I'm correct with my understanding of it, I will be able to tell you on Day 2 which of the 2 of you is Scum...and if I die, the Town player here will have a Scum to take to the Town. I'm sorry about magic bagging but, I was a bit scared to come out so soon...and was more thinking out loud.
My apologies for not trusting you completely. I wonder why you were so hesitant to my plan initially, but now are OK with it.
Maybe I'm just paranoid. Care to come clean on your power? miteymouse Paranoia is the name of the game isn't it...hehehe! Why I was hesitant was that I was hoping to get whichever of you was the Scum before we came out but, thinking about it it is better for us to come out and have the Town decide what to do with us...if nothing else it reduces the unconfirmed pool and if I get the Scum among us (or confirm the non Scum) in the meantime, it will be good to bring to the the main thread. Also, I would rather take one for the team and lose my power if it takes a Scum with me!! I wonder who told me that was good...hehehe!
I'm not too sure that saying more about my power is wise at this point as, the target on my back is getting bigger by the second and I fear that I have said way too much already! zeriel I'd rather we didn't say anything about our powers until AFTER we go public to town, personally. That having been said, I'm also not sure I'm willing to wait for Day Two--the scum are likely to nail one of us toNight in the absence of a juicier target in town. zeriel This is probably the world's dumbest question, but I want this one straight up: Pede, is the traitor Mason able to talk to the scum on the scum boards, or are they separated/pfk? pedescribe zeriel wrote: This is probably the world's dumbest question, but I want this one straight up: Pede, is the traitor Mason able to talk to the scum on the scum boards, or are they separated/pfk?
The traitor mason is a SCUM. mrspecialed zeriel wrote: I'd rather we didn't say anything about our powers until AFTER we go public to town, personally. That having been said, I'm also not sure I'm willing to wait for Day Two--the scum are likely to nail one of us toNight in the absence of a juicier target in town.
If the Scum do kill one of us ToNight, it will be apparent to the remaining mason who the Scum is. They can easily go public Day 2.
This, of course, is not a good idea if one of us gets lynched (unlikely but possible) or if a Serial Killer (if there is one, and I think the malicious PFK maybe be one) or Vig targets us (both unlikely just by odds) or if the Scum have 2 kills (I don't think so, it would be a quick game then) or if we have 2 Scum groups (also very unlikely given the color.)
That said, we still have time to decide when we claim, but I do think it has to be early. Day 1 or Day 2 zeriel I would say that claiming early is going to be key. And I also think it's our responsibility as Masons to decide among ourselves who the scum is here first.
So I propose we play three-handed Mafia a bit.
vote MiteyMouse -- I don't like the fact she's playing magic bag with her fellow masons already, while flat-out saying that she WILL be able to tell who the scum is as of Day Two: that's tantamount to a claim of at least a limited form of investigator, and I think that a town investigator would be a bit more careful with their hide than that. Ed was also the first person in the thread to remind us that the scum would be handed knowledge of our identities by the traitor.
As for my late arrival to the thread, Pede messed up my PM a bit (he accidentally sent me the generic one with blanks in it) and I didn't get the information for where this board was until later. Pede, if you could confirm that, that'd be awesome.
pedescribe zeriel wrote: I would say that claiming early is going to be key. And I also think it's our responsibility as Masons to decide among ourselves who the scum is here first.
So I propose we play three-handed Mafia a bit.
vote MiteyMouse -- I don't like the fact she's playing magic bag with her fellow masons already, while flat-out saying that she WILL be able to tell who the scum is as of Day Two: that's tantamount to a claim of at least a limited form of investigator, and I think that a town investigator would be a bit more careful with their hide than that. Ed was also the first person in the thread to remind us that the scum would be handed knowledge of our identities by the traitor.
As for my late arrival to the thread, Pede messed up my PM a bit (he accidentally sent me the generic one with blanks in it) and I didn't get the information for where this board was until later. Pede, if you could confirm that, that'd be awesome.
I will confirm that I had accidentally left off the masonboard website and the names of the other masons in Zeriel's first role PM. However, I did not send the generic one--I sent him his role PM, minus the masonboard website and the names of the other masons.
miteymouse mrspecialed wrote:
My apologies for not trusting you completely. I wonder why you were so hesitant to my plan initially, but now are OK with it.
Maybe I'm just paranoid. Care to come clean on your power?
This post seemed odd to me when I first read it. I think it is the first and last sentence. The first sentence...trusting completely really stands out in it. Do any of us ever really trust another player completely when we know that there's Scum out there? I know I don't (usually). Then the last...one could call it rolefishing but, I'm not sure if that is the right word for it as, I had already given that I have a role. Maybe, trying to see how important it is? I don't know Ed, I would love to trust you but, am having leanings toward Zer being the other nice Mason...
Vote ED mrspecialed miteymouse wrote: mrspecialed wrote: My apologies for not trusting you completely. I wonder why you were so hesitant to my plan initially, but now are OK with it.
Maybe I'm just paranoid. Care to come clean on your power?
This post seemed odd to me when I first read it. I think it is the first and last sentence. The first sentence...trusting completely really stands out in it. Do any of us ever really trust another player completely when we know that there's Scum out there? I know I don't (usually). Then the last...one could call it rolefishing but, I'm not sure if that is the right word for it as, I had already given that I have a role. Maybe, trying to see how important it is? I don't know Ed, I would love to trust you but, am having leanings toward Zer being the other nice Mason...
Vote ED
great, so we're playing 3 handed and i have to pick between myself and mitey? There's no point in me even expressing my opinion because scum or town, I'd have to pick the one who isn't me.
that aside, since out votes in here don't count anyway. mitey, the part about not trusting you guys was tongue in cheek. You know me well enough to know I wasn't seriously apologizing ;-D The last sentence was because you just left a magic bag out there, and I wanted you to open it up. zeriel OR you could round robin it and try to make a case for your fellow townie to believe in, Ed. miteymouse or vote Zer and out us in a stalemate...leaving us to out ourselves for the rest of the group to decide.
Does anyone want to come clean with their Scumminess?
mrspecialed OK, sorry, I was a bit rushed. I cannot post or read from work. I'm home now, and caught up in my other 2 games.
Honestly, I'm suspicious of both of you. I think mitey pings me a bit more with the claim of being able to out the other one toMorrow. It means one of 3 things. 1. You're lying, but are a mason, and you're trying some gambit I can't understand to try to find Scum 2. You're lying and you're Scum because you want to at least make sure that your death comes after the other 2 masons are dead by insuring that we wait to kill you. 3. You're telling the truth.
Which one, I don't know. but 2 seems to look best to me. I can't see why you'd say anything at all in here if you were being honest. You're setting yourself up to be a huge scum target toNight. miteymouse I will be really honest that when I posted my magic bag, I was sleep deprived and not thinking straight. Then I was past the point where I could take it back so I had to reveal at least in part. I know that I now have a huge target on my back and it really sucks. I do my best and my worst work when I'm lacking sleep...sadly, I'm not sure which it is until I get sleep...this time it was not good. miteymouse unvote I'm so confused! mrspecialed miteymouse wrote: unvote I'm so confused!
I'm confused too.
I guess it comes down to this. When do we claim? And do we all claim?
We've still got some time to decide. Day 1 doesn't end until Friday. It doesn't look like any of us will be up for a lynching toDay, though I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
In any case, our voting in here is just for show, right? I mean, we can't actually lynch each other in the mason thread. miteymouse mrspecialed wrote: miteymouse wrote: unvote I'm so confused!
I'm confused too.
I guess it comes down to this. When do we claim? And do we all claim?
We've still got some time to decide. Day 1 doesn't end until Friday. It doesn't look like any of us will be up for a lynching toDay, though I'm not sure if that's good or bad.
In any case, our voting in here is just for show, right? I mean, we can't actually lynch each other in the mason thread.
I think we should comeout at the same time...or as close together as we can. I think because one of us is Scum that if we come out together then the main thread can decide which of us to look at and lynch. We are, in effect, offering ourselves up to be sacreficed because of the 1 Scummy with us...and hoping for the best.
I'm not sure of when though, the rash part of me says now...but it may be better to wait until Day 2 as to not get a flurry of last minute votes. That being said, I think I made myself a huge target and (the selfish part of me thinks) maybe coming out on Day 1 might put WiFOM for the Scum and the protections. So, I guess, I see good points for both now and the start of Day 2...I don't think we should wait longer than that though. zeriel Mitey, keep digging. Why the hell would anyone want to do that unless we had some kinda secret PFK mason win condition or something. Which we don't. zeriel That was in response to your suggestion the scum mason come out.
As for your latest suggestion--we need to claim mason together and we need to do so on Day One. Because you see, the scum might not know about this yet--they can't strategerize during the day. Claiming on Day One is essential to give the scum as little ability to f**k us around as possible. zeriel Ignore my last, I'm a retard and misread the post in the main thread. miteymouse Well, I may as well post it here since I posted in the main thread....I'm a tracker. I can follow one player around at night and know who they target and who targets them... miteymouse Do we want to copy and paste our thread into the main one? People are asking for it and I have no issues with it but, don't want to go ahead and do it without hearing from you guys first. zeriel Go for it. I don't have time to do it, given I'm at work and getting some unexpected crap today.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:51:35 GMT -5
Post by MiteyMouse on Jan 29, 2009 13:51:35 GMT -5
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Jan 29, 2009 13:54:00 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 29, 2009 13:54:00 GMT -5
Good god that was hard to read. I really didn't get anything new from it either. meh.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:57:56 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 29, 2009 13:57:56 GMT -5
Why do the other two seem less genuine? Genuine may not have been the best word to use. If MiteyMouse is telling the truth about his/her ability, it would make sense to want to delay revealing, especially because they could track one of the other masons to see what they do with their ability. Thus, in my view MiteyMouse's actions (which the other two deemed scummy) could have possibly had a townie reasoning behind them. The point is, if MiteyMouse is telling the complete truth, all of his/her actions don't contradict each other. BUT this could have been a planned scum ploy, which is why I asked the question of how long it took MiteyMouse to magic bag.
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Jan 29, 2009 13:59:42 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 13:59:42 GMT -5
This would not be the first time I find myself dead and vindicated as town because townies mistake unilateralism and aggression for scummyness.
Roxis, I'm saying, the reason the scum would kill masons is because we're all confirmed/confirmable power roles. Especially given the fact that we all have individual titles.
Miteymouse started magic bagging and urging us to hold off on claiming in post 9, after suggesting that the scum might not nightkill a town mason to avoid reducing the mason decision to a 50/50 shot--the suggestion to claim was made in post 8 by Ed. From that point on, Mitey mentions she has a power but doesn't want to talk about it practically every time she posts.
I'm doubly confused as to how her claimed power of "tracker" is going to help her find scum among the masons unless she thinks she can track one to the scum meeting, but that's usually not how that works. She finally regrets the magic bag in post 31, complaining about the huge target on her back--as though she really believes she's the only Mason with useful powers.
Oh, one more thing--my power, which I decline to reveal, said expressly that it would not work on other Masons. Special Ed, that's another thing I'd like to hear from you.
Meh. If anyone cares, I can reveal my power. I don't think it should sway your decision-making one way or another.
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Jan 29, 2009 14:09:18 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 29, 2009 14:09:18 GMT -5
Edited for readability
Here is the Mason thread...I had to edit out all the time stamps. Topic: MasonTalk (Read 198 times) pedescribe For talking.
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Jan 29, 2009 14:09:51 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jan 29, 2009 14:09:51 GMT -5
Oh, one more thing--my power, which I decline to reveal, said expressly that it would not work on other Masons. Special Ed, that's another thing I'd like to hear from you. Huh. I would like Ed to answer this too. If neither you nor Ed could use your powers on other Masons, it would make absolutely no sense that MiteyMouse could user her (thanks for clarifying MM!) power to solve the Mystery of the Scum Mason(now in paperback!).
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Jan 29, 2009 14:11:49 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 29, 2009 14:11:49 GMT -5
zeriel my biggest point against you and ed is that mitey seems consistent and an investigative role doesn't make sense for someone who's also already gotten the names of the masons.
Of course it could be a well rehearsed lie, but it's day one, and we have to speculate.
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Jan 29, 2009 14:12:05 GMT -5
Post by brokentree on Jan 29, 2009 14:12:05 GMT -5
ZerielIfyou indeed have specialpowersthat are beneficial to town...I think it would be in towns best interest to know what they are. Granted there has been enough time for you to fabricate any such powers...but still on the chance of you being town...I would rather you reveal in life other than in death.
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Jan 29, 2009 14:20:57 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jan 29, 2009 14:20:57 GMT -5
ZerielIfyou indeed have specialpowersthat are beneficial to town...I think it would be in towns best interest to know what they are. Granted there has been enough time for you to fabricate any such powers...but still on the chance of you being town...I would rather you reveal in life other than in death. I'll have you know that the way you wrote that causes me to read it in the voice of an insane person. Also there is a subset of powers which I like to call ambush powers. They are most useful when the scum doesn't know what they are and are useless enough when the scum does know what they are that there's little point in revealing them, because once you've done so you might as well be vanilla. With that kind of power you might as well keep it secret even as the lynch leader, on the off chance that you will escape the noose somehow.
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Jan 29, 2009 14:23:36 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Jan 29, 2009 14:23:36 GMT -5
I will say that my power is only partially affected by my revealing it--that is, if the scum have a blocker they would consider blocking me.
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Jan 29, 2009 14:38:40 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Jan 29, 2009 14:38:40 GMT -5
I'd like to take this time to request that all Town players facing a lynch post their PMs, even if it's just in the final minutes. Thats info for Town, and we're going to need all we can get. Scum players, feel free to post yours too. I think I'm ok with my vote order, tho we certainly need to hear more from Special Ed right now. I don't see what Zeriel claims to see in there, or why he got so aggressive.
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