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Post by BillMc on Feb 23, 2009 3:32:15 GMT -5
Finally! :-) Sorry TL
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 23, 2009 11:14:17 GMT -5
Well it's good to know that my scumdar is still sortof kind of intact. Sorry to see you go TL, but not that sorry.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 24, 2009 7:53:22 GMT -5
Sorry, all. Fucking strep throat knocked me on my ass. But yay dead Enemy of the Town!
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 24, 2009 16:31:57 GMT -5
Ouch Story! Strep throat is brutal - definitely not town-like at all I hope you're feeling better now. I always thought Strepsils lozenges (specifically the black current) provided quite a bit of relief (aside from an antibiotic of course).
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Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 24, 2009 21:41:57 GMT -5
The sun creeps over the horizon. Then sinks again. Then it pops up again. Then down. Then the flatscreen monitors fall out of the windows with a resounding crash, waking everyone in the house.
A quick headcount reveals that BillMC, whose information had been an anticipated topic of the day, was quite missing. Opening the door to his room a familiar scene of carnage was revealed.
"Four people ripped apart with claws and teeth. This is getting serious."
Luckily this time someone brought a wet vacuum to clear a path making the search a bit easier and devoid of bloody chunk in shoe syndrome. A thorough search revealed a number of tracking devices and some stealthy clothing, but nothing supernatural.
BillMC is dead, he was a Nosy Bastard(town tracker)
It is now Day 5. The Day will end at 11pm EST on Sunday the first.
With four people alive three votes on one person will trigger a 12 hour countdown.
The Living: 4 NAF 5 Storyteller 6 Roxis 9 Chameleon
The Dead: 8 dorianphoenix vanilla town 10 Pedescribe vanilla town 7 Brokentree vanilla town 2 MHaye vanilla town 12 seattleguy Malicious Fairy(specific redirector) 3 Hoopy Frood Ecneralc the Demon(special serial killer) 1 Total Lost Spoooooky Scout(mad bomber) 11 billsmcmillan Nosy Bastard(town tracker)
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 24, 2009 22:35:17 GMT -5
Well, then. I will not vote for NAF, as I am reasonably convinced that he is not the killing entity; if he is, then BillMC was given the most worthless power ever.
My vote toDay will be for either roxis or Chameleon. Going from Bill's reports alone, Chameleon would seem to be the best choice, but I'd be interested in dialogue on the subject. NAF, what are your thoughts?
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 25, 2009 1:14:23 GMT -5
Gah, that sucks. I thought he might be trying to frame me to cover his own scummy tracks. Sorry I doubted you Bill! I can understand why you would think I would be the best choice to lynch Storyteller, and would be willing to take one for town - if it wasn't so late in the game and down to the wire. If we make a wrong lynch today then I think that would seal the coffin for town (if town gets lynched, and then there's a night kill, that only leaves 2 players who would obviously vote for one another. From what I've seen, typically no one gets lynched if there's a tie - which leaves one last night kill and a likely loss for town). Is there a chance there are still 2 scummy players at this point? I haven't played a game before that's been so close. I feel like this is our last chance for a town win so we have to be right - and I'm worried because I know I'm town and if I die we will probably lose I still have no idea why Bill couldn't find me and wished he had because that proof of me would have given us a much better chance. I'm also still inclined to believe NAF, especially since Bill was town (albeit a Nosy Bastard - love it Mr. B!). But at this point it seems like anything's possible. Perhaps the game has gone on so long simply because everyone assumes NAF is confirmed town. Storyteller, I'm still puzzled by your "kill me if you dare" claim. Was that a clever ploy to scare people away from trying to kill you or is there something about your role that could help us? It does make me a little suspicious of you that you claim to not be vanilla but then haven't done anything to substantiate that. However I'm more suspicious of Roxis simply because she's flying so much under the radar. I too am looking forward to hearing from NAF.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 25, 2009 3:41:15 GMT -5
WOW! I'm dead - now that was an unexpected turn of events ;D At least you kept your shoes clean this time!
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Post by roxis on Feb 25, 2009 3:42:53 GMT -5
Roxis has been quiet in all the games she's in lately. :/
Vote Chameleon
I don't know why Bill couldn't find you, but you and story are the only people who, at this point, I believe could be scum. And with Bill turning up town, well...
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 25, 2009 12:45:06 GMT -5
ok, so we seem to be at lylo here.
Good fun.
I am the only one I currently trust, so I am going to hold off voting until I see how you three want to shake things out.
Today might actually be a good day for a no-lynch. Since that will prevent a lose senario.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 25, 2009 12:46:53 GMT -5
Also, Roxis, Chameleon, are you both sticking to your claim that you are vanilla town?
Story, you sticking to being a vanilla doc?
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Post by roxis on Feb 25, 2009 12:54:21 GMT -5
100% vanilla.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 25, 2009 15:30:07 GMT -5
Yes, I'm vanilla town - I however have sprinkles on top NAF, a no-lynch might be a good idea since I do believe lynching the wrong person will likely end the game in a loss for us. I'm just trying to think of the pros and cons. Obviously it buys a little time since there would be no possibility for town to die today. That still leaves a night kill...but if there is only one scummy player left then town still has another day, but if there are 2 scummy players (which I tend to think is unlikely) then the game could end with a town loss at night. I think the former scenario is more likely and a no-lynch today might be safer for town as I'm almost equally suspicious of Roxis and Storyteller and afraid of picking the wrong one.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 25, 2009 16:32:14 GMT -5
Also, Roxis, Chameleon, are you both sticking to your claim that you are vanilla town? Story, you sticking to being a vanilla doc? I am a Doctor. I don't know that I'd say "vanilla doc" in the strictest sense, But I choose a target to protect each Night and I can self-protect. Here's the thing about the proposed no-lynch strategy. If we no-lynch, I will randomly choose to protect either myself or NAF toNight. The KE, whomsoever it is, will have to target either me or NAF - because obviously, if roxis is the KE and kills Cham we will lynch roxis on the morrow, and vice versa. So either (1) the KE guesses wrong, and there is no kill, in which case we start over toMorrow; or (2) the KE guesses right, and either NAF or I die. As I think about it, it comes down to this. The rest of you should decide, collectively, whether or not you wish to accept me as Town (or at least, as a non-killing entity). I think there is ample evidence that I am, but you may reach different conclusions. If you do accept me as such, then we should lynch either roxis or Chameleon toDay. If we're right, great! If we're wrong, I still have a fighting chance to get us through to toMorrow with no kills by blocking the kill toNight. If, however, you do not accept me as Town, then we go in a different direction. Accordingly, I ask for discussion of me and my alignment. I stand willing to answer questions. ------ Chameleon, I tried to get killers to target me knowing that I'd be self-protecting, and that if they did try to kill me, they'd fail. It even worked once.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 25, 2009 16:46:19 GMT -5
As I think about it, it comes down to this. The rest of you should decide, collectively, whether or not you wish to accept me as Town (or at least, as a non-killing entity). I think there is ample evidence that I am, but you may reach different conclusions. If you do accept me as such, then we should lynch either roxis or Chameleon toDay. If we're right, great! If we're wrong, I still have a fighting chance to get us through to toMorrow with no kills by blocking the kill toNight. If, however, you do not accept me as Town, then we go in a different direction. Accordingly, I ask for discussion of me and my alignment. I stand willing to answer questions. Yeah, see...buy I don't want to come to a collective decision with those two. I don't trust them either. As to do I think you're town... I don't know. Hand on my heart, I really can't say for certain if I think you are town or not story. Some of your actions worry me, some of your actions lead me to believe you are more likely town. I don't know what to think of the untargetable chameleon either. On the surface it looks bad, but I can't fathom a game where there is an untrackable killer if not all power roles are anti-town. If Chameleon is the KE and couldn't be tracked by Bill as such... I don't know where that leaves us. On the other hand, we have run out of powers that could have potentially stopped Bill from tracking that Night, and I can't see the KE having the power to kill AND block, at least not on the same Night. Then there is Roxis, who may well be vanilla. I haven't seen her do anything good or bad yet. So Roxis, you are the biggest unknown at the moment, who do you want to vote for and why?
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Post by roxis on Feb 25, 2009 16:54:48 GMT -5
I personally think story is town. WithBill turning up town, it raises the question: why was he unable to find Chameleon? That's why I think a Chameleon lynch would be best. There's nothing I can do to convince you of my alignment, so I'm okay with being one of the lynch candidates. Since we're at lylo though, I would really prefer a Chameleon lynch.
I can't help but wonder, though, if seattleguy did, in fact, tell the truth about redirecting Chameleon to pede. Doesn't matter though, since he was a bad guy.
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Post by roxis on Feb 25, 2009 16:56:42 GMT -5
So Roxis, you are the biggest unknown at the moment, who do you want to vote for and why? I'd like to keep my vote where it is - on Chameleon. I believe that you and story are town. If we decide on a no-lynch, though, I'll remove my vote.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 25, 2009 16:59:32 GMT -5
So Roxis, you are the biggest unknown at the moment, who do you want to vote for and why? I'd like to keep my vote where it is - on Chameleon. I believe that you and story are town. If we decide on a no-lynch, though, I'll remove my vote. Awesome sauce. But why do you think that story and I are town?
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 25, 2009 17:00:07 GMT -5
additionally, what do you see as the pros/cons of a no lynch?
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 25, 2009 17:01:58 GMT -5
That certainly adds an element to the scenario Storyteller. But I'm still thinking we have a slightly better chance if we don't lynch today. I don't know if I believe your claim as town or not - the doctor/self protecting makes sense - but you seem to be a very good player and have sounded sensible since day 1 so I don't think you would have any problem being convincing whether you were good or bad. If there is indeed only 1 killer, then it stands to reason that he or she would be reasonably powerful.
Regardless, I remain scared of accidentally lynching town today and the attempted kill tonight could hand us the killer with more certainty.
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Post by roxis on Feb 25, 2009 17:13:17 GMT -5
Awesome sauce. But why do you think that story and I are town? I think that you're town because of Bill's tracking results. Story, I'm less sure about, but I have no reason to believe he's not town. His actions have come across as very pro-town to me for the majority of the game. Leslie hasn't been either pro or anti town (much like my own actions), plus there's the added factor of Bill not being able to read her. The pros of a no lynch would be that: We would have an extra day to gain possible information We wouldn't run the risk of losing two townies (and subsequently losing the game). The cons: Assuming story is town, we run the risk of losing either him or NAF, leaving one person who's come across as town, along with Chameleon and I, the two ambiguous players. This is bad, because likely NAF or story would have to make the final call. Even if story does successfully prevent the lynch, we're right back where we are now, with little to no extra information. Ultimately? I would advocate lynching Chameleon today, but that is not my call. I'd rather you and story make that call, because you can't trust me or Chameleon.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 25, 2009 17:17:57 GMT -5
Ultimately? I would advocate lynching Chameleon today, but that is not my call. I'd rather you and story make that call, because you can't trust me or Chameleon. Great, so we have you who want me and story to choose, story who want you me and chameleon to choose and chameleon who wants to sit and do nothing. Do I have that right?
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Post by roxis on Feb 25, 2009 17:38:40 GMT -5
Seems like it.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 25, 2009 17:46:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't say no lynch is doing nothing. To me it's more like giving town an extra chance. If we want to lynch someone obviously I would choose Roxis or Storyteller - but lean towards Roxis because I trust her less.
I have no way to prove that I have no powers except to say that I don't. Whatever has happened to me has been beyond my control or awareness and is really damn annoying - but uber-convenient for the killer now since I look the most suspicious - making it easier to get a lynch on me and likely win the game.
Incidentally, I've been trying to see if there's any way that NAF could be suspicious - but his suggestion of a no lynch makes him more believable considering that we're all leaning towards believing him and won't lynch him - if he were the killer he wouldn't have suggested a no-lynch.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 26, 2009 14:41:44 GMT -5
So...
Anyone following the werewolf newbie mafia that Pede is running on the SDMB right now? If you are you probably know why I am asking (there are some strategy parallels that are amusing but don't actually effect our game) and if you aren't, it's a fun game go read.
So...
Story, you want to help me out here by adding your thoughts. I am close to making a decision but I would be interested in seeing what you think before I lay anything down in blue.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 26, 2009 14:54:00 GMT -5
I can try. I am at 99% certain that you (NAF) are not the KE, and about 75% confident that you're vanilla Town as you claim. But the other possibilities are complex, and I am not sure how to sort them out. I mean, what do we know?
We know that Chameleon was hidden to BillMc when the latter tried to track him. This could imply any of three things:
1. Chameleon is a Hider or otherwise immune to Night actions. If this is the case, he is almost surely not the KE, because that particular combination of powers seems grossly unfair;
2. Chameleon was the subject of an action that caused him to be hidden or otherwise immune to Night actions, an action taken by a player currently alive. In this case, Chameleon is almost definitely the KE, and roxis is the player who makes other players invisible (or whatever); or, and this is interesting:
3. Chameleon was the subject of an action that caused him to be hidden or otherwise immune to Night actions, an action taken by a player currently dead. Specifically, Total Lost. We have been given no information about total lost's activities, but suppose her power is to render someone invisible (or whatever), and if she got all living players invisible before she died or the game ended, she'd win.
Chameleon as a Survivor who is immune to all Night actions of any kind, and Roxis as the KE, makes a simple kind of sense.
Chameleon as a KE and roxis as a role-blocker who targeted BillMc is a possibility. The reverse is also a possibility.
Roxis as the KE and Total Lost as a role-blocker/Mad Bomber who targeted BillMc, or Chameleon, makes sense. The same makes sense is Chameleon is the KE.
Simply put, simple analysis of the roles is not going to get us anywhere. We need to do post analysis, which is going to be damn hard since no one has any perfect information to betray.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 26, 2009 15:25:58 GMT -5
Simply put, simple analysis of the roles is not going to get us anywhere. We need to do post analysis, which is going to be damn hard since no one has any perfect information to betray. Agreed, and that leaves only motivation and those two haven't been talking much. OK, back in a bit.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 27, 2009 11:15:13 GMT -5
hmm
So, today will be my last day to give this game anything like my full attention before sundown. I am going to make a vote and hopefully it will be my last one... I am just not going to do it yet.
Chameleon, have you officially voted no lynch yet?
color=Green]Is no lynch an acceptable vote choice?[/color]
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 27, 2009 11:15:44 GMT -5
Is no lynch an acceptable vote choice?
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 27, 2009 11:57:08 GMT -5
NAF - I think I'm happy with no lynch. If I'm killed tonight as opposed to being lynched today then at least I have a good chance of winning with town. I still believe there's a good chance that the killer is Roxis and would agree to vote for her if you and Story have the same suspicions. I however am still a tad bit nervous that there could be something spooookier about Story than he's letting on.
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