|
Post by scáthach on Apr 11, 2012 17:13:26 GMT -5
Not for me. I thought this was standard parlance. That could just be the Magic:The Gathering experience I have comming out though. ? Standard how? Anyway, it's different to the way my role PM was phrased even though they are both powers with a finite amount of uses. I'm not saying it proves anything, but given that he waited so long to claim, before claiming something unprovable is pinging me. I would still happily vote for (although probably not today, I like my vote where it is right now) Hal Briston Meeko and possibly also Pollux, I want to do a reread of him.
|
|
|
Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 17:16:42 GMT -5
Unless peeker was a scum recruiter and recruited Gadarene, and this was some sort of a plot between the two of them to-no paranoia! Stop it! Stop it! Stop making things complicated! This is actually what I had been thinking about for a while. The idea of a "career henchman" doesn't seem to fit with the theme of this game so far- we've already HAD 2 henchmen in the Masons, and they BOTH were named characters. Super Obscure, but NAMED. So I'm really curious to hear from [bPeeker[/b] about his role claim. And if he turns up scum, it'd make total sense to take a HUGE hard look at Gad then as well. If ScumPeeker recruited Gad early in the game, and managed to avoid the Doc, it's a great play by them. It's also interesting that later, Peeker comes back and notes "hey, I didn't know Gad's alignment after all!" It's a very easy way for Peeks to avoid associating with Gad. And again, if there was a Godfather type Role... I wonder if Peek's behavior fits it best. Just in terms of Recruitment- it'd seem like Scum would have the BEST luck recruiting early game vs. late game. Early on, they wouldn't have lost as many members, as the game continues to go on now, it seems more in the town's favor- so 3rd parties and other potential recruits may be more likely to balk at the idea of joining the losing side right now. Which is why I wonder if a scum player may have tried to push the recruitment angle earlier than later. So I'm not as trusting right now of Peeks/Gad. Gad- less of a read, but Peeks- just paranoia that his moves could have been really out there. I'm sorry, but this makes the devicer look more suspicious in my humble opinion. Sorry SBrown. I doubt all 4 left are scum, but at least 2 of them are I'd wager. Maybe 3 + PFK, if they managed to recruit a third-party. I understand. :shrug: I know I'd be put into a hole when I claimed, and I'm willing to take the fire in order to prove myself. Of course, we don't know if an Investigator would have gotten a result on the Night they were killed. Didn't astral get a result the night he was killed though? I'm also up for a Lightfoot or Rysto investigation if possible, but I do worry by the redacted if you DO have a limit on the number of investigations you get. So I'm up for you doing what you think is best. sinjin's device appears as the usual black box. However, this box appears to be smashed and broken; what appears to be a small metal wedge shaped like a bat has been jammed into the box. What appears to be plastic explosive still hangs from the box, but the various wires and other functional parts of the device are obviously disconnected from one another. A small, thin trickle of blue fluid runs from the box. ? Wait. What?
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 11, 2012 17:23:13 GMT -5
Hello, again, Internet: VOTE COUNT - DAY SIX - WEDNESDAY PM Meeko (1 vote) - Pollux Oil (7) Sinjin (1 vote) - Mahaloth (14) Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - texcat (30) Hal Briston (1 vote) - scathach (83) Vote SuburbanIt's either Hal or suburban at this point. For the time being at least. One had voting actions, that are moot now*. The other one has been more aggressive on me than not. *Do we think that the devicer has a PFK win con? Would voting for them be of any consequence, given the number of devices that have gone off? You want to try explaining this again? Is there some actual reason you think I'm Scummier than Hal or sinjin? And is there a reason you're limiting consideration to only the four people who have already received votes? We do have a few other folks still kicking around as well, you know...
|
|
|
Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 17:24:19 GMT -5
*Do we think that the devicer has a PFK win con? Would voting for them be of any consequence, given the number of devices that have gone off? I have a name. And can you explain my PFK win con then?? Is it to device a certain number of people (which I've said, I'm willing not to do, and we've already started detonating them as well)? The only one I could logically think of is to blow up a certain number of them, and if that's the case- well, we can just as easily stop at 3. But what I'm curious about is the whole broken device thing. I didn't think they could break/be influenced- at least that hasn't happened before. And explosives? That's been done before- with ACME explosives on Pollux. (I haven't gotten any other clues, Texcat- but I did get an answer from Story to one of my questions: If i die, all the devices go away too).
|
|
|
Post by scáthach on Apr 11, 2012 17:25:14 GMT -5
Didn't astral get a result the night he was killed though? I'm also up for a Lightfoot or Rysto investigation if possible, but I do worry by the redacted if you DO have a limit on the number of investigations you get. So I'm up for you doing what you think is best. Astrals was a day investigation. sinjin's device appears as the usual black box. However, this box appears to be smashed and broken; what appears to be a small metal wedge shaped like a bat has been jammed into the box. What appears to be plastic explosive still hangs from the box, but the various wires and other functional parts of the device are obviously disconnected from one another. A small, thin trickle of blue fluid runs from the box. ? Wait. What? I'm reading this as a batarang breaking the device. (Her device hadn't actually triggered right?) However I still don't in any way understand it. Someone batman-associated trying to help her by breaking the device? Someone trying to frame her? Not a clue
|
|
|
Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 17:25:41 GMT -5
Why not? I know I'm Town. I don't know about anyone else, and if I don't use it early I might be dead before I get the chance. I considered using my power on peeker on Night Two, but as it turned out the point was moot anyway. Did you really think you had that much heat on you Night one though? That with 29 players left in the game, and scum losing one of their players, that you were one of the most likely scum targets? Enough of a target that you'd use up 50% of your protection right then and there?
|
|
|
Post by texcat on Apr 11, 2012 17:26:43 GMT -5
Oh, and I tried Rysto already :/ Did you ask storyteller about this? Your role says " you will learn what your target did on the Day/Night in question, and what results (s)he received. If your target was role-blocked or otherwise thwarted in his/her investigative attempt, you will learn that. If your target neglected to submit a target or was unable to do so, you will learn that." This answer about Rysto doesn't say anything about what he did.
|
|
|
Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 17:28:06 GMT -5
And my exchange with story was specifically about the wording of my power and "all night actions." I suspected that a roleblock would come first anyway -- and it obviously did, since I was, y'know, roleblocked -- and he confirmed it. I guess this is a semantics issue, but in my head- a "Role Block" would mean you were PREVENTED from using your action. So you would not get the CHANCE to use your ability. Ergo, you should still have your protection. But I'm not the Mod, but still, that's a shitty way to waste someone's power if a Role block forces someone to waste it like that.
|
|
|
Post by scáthach on Apr 11, 2012 17:29:39 GMT -5
Oh, and I tried Rysto already :/ Did you ask storyteller about this? Your role says " you will learn what your target did on the Day/Night in question, and what results (s)he received. If your target was role-blocked or otherwise thwarted in his/her investigative attempt, you will learn that. If your target neglected to submit a target or was unable to do so, you will learn that." This answer about Rysto doesn't say anything about what he did. I didn't ask - I presumed that since I wasn't told he was roleblocked that either the order of resolved actions meant he didn't receive a result, or that he didn't submit a Night action at all. I did question order of Night actions resolving, but story said he couldn't tell me.
|
|
|
Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 17:35:39 GMT -5
However I still don't in any way understand it. Someone batman-associated trying to help her by breaking the device? Someone trying to frame her? Not a clue I know, I'm just trying to deal with the WIFOM of it. Is it because I targeted SINJIN that this happened, or is it because maybe I targeted and someone else targeted sinjin that this happened? And the Batarang also is odd. And then there's a part of me that wonders- could this whole thing be a clue from the "peanut gallery" as you put it? But I assumed (and the way I read my role), is that the clue happens with the detonation of the device. IE: that was the challenge- I pick the target, but the mechanism of detonation is still unknown for me, so there's still a bit of work to be done to get said reward--> the clue. So I'm less of the mind that the Batarang is a clue, but maybe someone else targetted Sinjin? I know Sinjin hasn't claimed yet.... Color me interested. Her and Peeks I believe are still out.
Vote Peeker to try to get his attention. We're in the Middle of a Mass Claim- Care to share your role, "career henchman"? And I'd still like to hear from Hal: Especially in light of all the info I've posted about my device (and thus his as well)- why so quiet with your shiny toy? Will you try to help figure out how it works? Or leaving it alone until more detonations come out?
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 11, 2012 17:35:51 GMT -5
Oh, and I tried Rysto already :/ Your PM said I wonder which category does "Rysto did not receive any investigative results on the Day/Night in question" fall into? He wasn't blocked, because you would have been told. He didn't neglect to submit a target, because you would have been told. He didn't receive a result, because you would have been told. So he must have submitted a target, not been blocked, but somehow still not have received a result. Would you mind telling us exactly who you targeted on which Nights, and what results you received, whether they were 'useful' or not?
|
|
|
Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 17:37:50 GMT -5
Would you mind telling us exactly who you targeted on which Nights, and what results you received, whether they were 'useful' or not? Seconded. A paper trail would be helpful....
|
|
|
Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 11, 2012 17:37:57 GMT -5
Gotta run to class. More involved commentary later, but plopping this down for people if they want a reference for analysis.
VOTE COUNT - OFFICIAL – FINAL DAY ONE
Pleonast (11 votes) - Cookies (357), Nanook (359), texcat (382), astralrejection (407), SBrOwn (419), Gadarene (436), sinjin (448), BillMc (449), Suburban Plankton (455), peekercpa (738), Hal Briston (951)
texcat (10 votes) - Total Ullz (411), Special Ed (692), Mahaloth (702), Inner Stickler (705), Chronos (741), Rysto (749), askthepizzaguy (754), Dirx (757), Merestil Haye (917), Pleonast (939)
Hal Briston (4 votes) - Pollux Oil (271), Lightfoot (283), Silver Jan (300), Meeko (345)
Drain Bead (1 vote) - guiri (140)
sinjin (1 vote) - Drain Bead (770)
Suburban Plankton (1 vote) – gnarlycharlie (890)
Not Voting: Archangel, Idle Thoughts, scathach
VOTE COUNT - FINAL DAY TWO
Drain Bead (11 votes) - Dirx (493), Cookies (590), Total Ullz (592), SBroWn (594), Nanook (595), peekercpa (597), scathach (660), Lightfoot (701), Pollux Oil (715), texcat (721), sinjin (749)
Archangel (8 votes) – Gadarene (543), Mahaloth (593), Inner Stickler (599), Drain Bead (604), askthepizzaguy (627), Hal Briston (665), BillMc (668), Suburban Plankton (690)
Lightfoot (2 votes) - Chronos (86), Idle Thoughts (186)
Rysto (1 vote) - Silver Jan (654)
Mahaloth (1 vote) - Archangel (424)
Silver Jan (1 vote) – Rysto (607)
No Lynch (1 vote) - Meeko (685)
Not Voting (1 vote) - gnarlycharlie
FINAL VOTE COUNT – DAY THREE
askthepizzaguy (8 votes) - peekercpa (57), Nanook (89), SBrown (90), gnarlycharlie (94), BillMc (97), Idle Thoughts (105), sinjin (119), Pollux Oil (243)
gnarlycharlie (4 votes) – Meeko (217), Lightfoot (229), Sister Coyote (233), Silver Jan (236)
Idle Thoughts (3 votes) - askthepizzaguy (41), Chronos (228), Suburban Plankton (246),
Chronos (2 votes) – Cookies (249), Rysto (261)
Rysto (1 vote) - texcat (42)
sinjin (1 vote) – mahaloth (176)
Hal Briston (1 vote) – scathach (227)
Meeko (1 vote) – Total Ullz
Not Voting: Gadarene
DAY FOUR OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
Sister Coyote (6 votes) - Pollux Oil (176), Lightfoot (185), Cookies (180), SBrown (189), Total Ullz (204), texcat (273)
Cookies (3 votes) - scathach (94), Mahaloth (106), Nanook (220)
Lightfoot (2 votes) - gnarlycharlie (29), Hal Briston (46)
Hal Briston (2 votes) - Idle Thoughts (15), Meeko (265)
Idle Thoughts (2 votes) - Suburban Plankton (143), BillMc (260)
texcat (1 vote) - Sister Coyote (311)
Not Voting - sinjin, Gadarene
----
Left out Day Five because...eh. Don't really need it.
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 11, 2012 17:38:54 GMT -5
Vote Peeker to try to get his attention. Won't work...for that you need to light up the monkey-shaped Peeker Signal
|
|
|
Post by scáthach on Apr 11, 2012 17:50:41 GMT -5
So he must have submitted a target, not been blocked, but somehow still not have received a result. NK resolving before investigation would be my assumption. But I will PM story for clarification to make sure he did actually send in a result. I didn't really want to be too specific, but if people really think it's useful to know, the paper trail so far is exactly those I've already quoted. As I said, my power is limited to a certain number of uses.
|
|
|
Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 17:52:50 GMT -5
Okay, objective numbers time! Much easier than clues.
So 19 Townies at the start. 31 total players. So far, I've got 4 3rd Party players (3 dead+Mahaloth) So far, I've got 4 Scum players
So that's 27 players who we have known roles for at the start of the game.
That leaves 4 unknown roles. Presumably there's more than 1 scum.
So we've got 4 unknown players, of the 13 players still alive, no one is truly "100%" confirmed (though Peeks says he is. If Gad isn't lying So there's that).
Still 4 unknown players who we know are NOT town. I'd guess there's AT LEAST one more scum left (Idle said 2 but he was noisy and blah). So 4U= 1S + 3 U 3U= could consider of 3rd Party, PFK, Scum? Or multiple 3rd parties, or multiple PFKs? or multiple scum?
I don't think there's 8 scum in the game. That seems less likely. Then again 7+1 recruitment? Or maybe 6+2 recruitment, possible. But still. 8 seems high. So i doubt all 4 of the Unknown pool are scum. So again, if that's the case, that there's NOT 4 scum out there- then there's either a PFK or several 3rd parties left.
4 3rd parties seems also kinda small for a 31 player game. 5-6? Plausible. if 6 that'd be basically 20% of the starting players would be 3rd party. 19/31= just over 60% of the starting roles are Town. Now a 60-20-20 makeup would fit. But that'd mean 6 starting scum (and Idle would be correct)- though it could be easily something like 5+1 or maybe 6+1 if we factor in recruitment. So 6 scum, 6 3rd party, 19 townies, and that's 30. So the odd man out? Make him the PFK and that's 31. :shrug: I don't quite know if Games like these can be balanced. I saw some discussion of it in the Arkham threads and it seemed like the creators of Arkham one didn't care at all about balancing the roles. But Storyteller and co haven't exactly followed the patterns of Arkham 1, so anyone else also numerically inclined have thoughts on that part? Or with more knowledge of how things get balanced game wise?
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 11, 2012 17:55:30 GMT -5
So he must have submitted a target, not been blocked, but somehow still not have received a result. NK resolving before investigation would be my assumption. But I will PM story for clarification to make sure he did actually send in a result. I didn't really want to be too specific, but if people really think it's useful to know, the paper trail so far is exactly those I've already quoted. As I said, my power is limited to a certain number of uses. I don't mean to be a pest (though I don't really mind, either)...but this will now be the third time I've asked you which Nights you investigated your various targets. Not which Night's results you asked for, but on which Nights you did the asking. Are you ignoring the question on purpose?
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 11, 2012 17:57:25 GMT -5
NETA: I'm not the Mod, but I think that if Rysto was killed before submitting his action (due to the order in which actions are resolved), that would fall clearly under the "otherwise thwarted in his/her investigative attempt" category as mentioned in your PM.
|
|
|
Post by Nanook on Apr 11, 2012 18:08:29 GMT -5
This was a huge game. You have only 2 protects. Did you really think you were such a juicy NK target that you felt the need to use both of them up on the first two nights? ESPECIALLY when we had people claiming like Peeker? It smells like a cover role to me.
Vote: Gadarene
And somehow I am not at all suprised that Meeko thinks that you did the right thing.
|
|
|
Post by Gadarene on Apr 11, 2012 19:22:29 GMT -5
Why not? I know I'm Town. I don't know about anyone else, and if I don't use it early I might be dead before I get the chance. I considered using my power on peeker on Night Two, but as it turned out the point was moot anyway. Did you really think you had that much heat on you Night one though? That with 29 players left in the game, and scum losing one of their players, that you were one of the most likely scum targets? Enough of a target that you'd use up 50% of your protection right then and there? Remember that I had just been confirmed Town by peeker at the beginning of that night, or so I thought. As a cleared Townie who could have any power at all, I felt like I presented an attractive target to the scum. I wasn't so wrong -- didn't Inner die night one?
|
|
|
Post by Gadarene on Apr 11, 2012 19:25:00 GMT -5
This was a huge game. You have only 2 protects. Did you really think you were such a juicy NK target that you felt the need to use both of them up on the first two nights? ESPECIALLY when we had people claiming like Peeker? It smells like a cover role to me. Vote: Gadarene [/color] And somehow I am not at all suprised that Meeko thinks that you did the right thing.[/quote] See my response to SBrOwn. And what do you mean, "when we had people claiming like Peeker"? Peeker claimed to have a one-shot masonry as his power. I was (I thought) the beneficiary of this masonry, AND I hadn't claimed a power, so I could be ANYthing. Like I said, excuse me for thinking that the scum would consider me seriously as a nightkill candidate.
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 11, 2012 19:51:03 GMT -5
I have to agree partially with Gadarene, I think that his self-protection on Night 1 was not totally unwarranted, because he did seem to be a likely Scum target. In fact, that is precisely the reason I targeted Gad on Night 2.
That said, I cannot agree with his choice to self-protect again on Night 2. Sure, he might have felt that he was still the biggest target (and given my own action I can hardly argue with that), but with only one shot left you have to keep that in reserve for some point at which it might be more sorely needed. If he thought he was a likely target, and he figured that Scum would think he was a likely target, then he should have also figured that some Protective Power somewhere would also think he was a likely target, and act accordingly.
Basically what Gad did on Night 2 amounted to using his last remaining protection on a known Vanilla.
So was it just lazy play, or is it a poor Scum cover story?
|
|
|
Post by Gadarene on Apr 11, 2012 20:00:43 GMT -5
I have to agree partially with Gadarene, I think that his self-protection on Night 1 was not totally unwarranted, because he did seem to be a likely Scum target. In fact, that is precisely the reason I targeted Gad on Night 2. That said, I cannot agree with his choice to self-protect again on Night 2. Sure, he might have felt that he was still the biggest target (and given my own action I can hardly argue with that), but with only one shot left you have to keep that in reserve for some point at which it might be more sorely needed. If he thought he was a likely target, and he figured that Scum would think he was a likely target, then he should have also figured that some Protective Power somewhere would also think he was a likely target, and act accordingly. Basically what Gad did on Night 2 amounted to using his last remaining protection on a known Vanilla. So was it just lazy play, or is it a poor Scum cover story? Always assume lazy play in that case when it comes to me. Besides (and I know how people don't like going down this road, but it still has some validity), if it was a Scum cover story, then I could have just lied about trying to protect someone -- anyone -- other than me on Night 2. My action was inarguably roleblocked, after all. I could have claimed to have tried to protect peeker, or Total, or someone else with more potential worth than (as you say) someone who would basically be a vanilla after that night. Sadly, that's not the case -- I'm not lying about it; I just valued self-preservation over all else and decided to protect myself two nights in a row, however suboptimal that choice may have been.
|
|
Meeko
FGM
I raccoon it's time to play Mafia
Posts: 2,474
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Meeko on Apr 11, 2012 21:11:03 GMT -5
Vote SuburbanIt's either Hal or suburban at this point. For the time being at least. One had voting actions, that are moot now*. The other one has been more aggressive on me than not. *Do we think that the devicer has a PFK win con? Would voting for them be of any consequence, given the number of devices that have gone off? You want to try explaining this again? Is there some actual reason you think I'm Scummier than Hal or sinjin? And is there a reason you're limiting consideration to only the four people who have already received votes? We do have a few other folks still kicking around as well, you know... I've seen these traps before. But, Sure, you lead, I'll follow. We can tango for a bit here. As to a reason for voting you over Hal; Hal suffered from what we have since termed "Big Red Button" syndrome, or something similar. I am now working on the assumption that nothing came from him charging up the killing joke for his personal role. This assumption is helped by the fact that we have another player claiming a role that triggers abilities in part on vote activity. In short, I'm further from voting Hal now than I was earlier. An actual reason I think you are scummier than Hal. You smudged me, per the entire Drunk Ed debacle. Why should I be looking at Sinjin above and beyond you? Ah, but this next trap. I like this one even more. Let me give this another shot : I am Power Town. Doubtful this does anything for you. That's ok. It tends to play into you being Scum. Or did you want town to mislynch today? Let me know if you need further explanation here. As to the other possible candidates, you have a vote as well.
|
|
Meeko
FGM
I raccoon it's time to play Mafia
Posts: 2,474
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Meeko on Apr 11, 2012 21:15:22 GMT -5
Not for me. I thought this was standard parlance. That could just be the Magic:The Gathering experience I have comming out though. ? Standard how? From my Magic The Gathering experience ? ;D If something is optional, most often the option is to opt for " May " and on Mandatory obligations " Must "
|
|
|
Post by sinjin on Apr 11, 2012 21:18:58 GMT -5
Hi, sorry, I started out reading SBrOwn, then got off on a Rysto tangent to see if he left any breadcrumbs (no) then realized I need to read thing in context so have been rereading Day 1 in light of who has turned up scum and who has turned up town, heh, @ BillMc. I know it's kind of crazy but I've been reading and rereading every Day and Night and I think it's made me postipated. I always wanted a killing role and finally got one and find that I can't decide who to kill. Feel free to point and laugh when you see the many pm's I've sent to Story to kill someone, then one minute before end of day decide not to kill them. When I first got my role I thought I was supposed to kill Batman. Hahahaha and he died Day 1. So here you go:
|
|
|
Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 11, 2012 21:19:25 GMT -5
I think Gadarene is a mislynch. I guess nobody sees Meeko's voting record as problematic like I do. His vote on Suburban makes me feel slightly more comfortable with my vote on him, however I don't think Suburban or Gadarene should be lynched. If nobody else agrees with me on voting Meeko, I'll probably end up switching my vote to Hal.
To be clear, I don't think Gadarene played his power the best way he could have. However, I find that power to be realistic under the game's circumstances. I don't think me disagreeing with how he used his power is enough to warrant my vote.
I'm curious as to whether sinjin or Hal will show up to claim before the end of Day. Also doubly curious since sinjin has been pro-claim for a while.
|
|
|
Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 11, 2012 21:20:57 GMT -5
Wow I have a terrible knack for cross posting as someone claims.
One shot killing power, huh?
HMMMMMM.
Texcat you're looking worse and worse, sorry.
|
|
Meeko
FGM
I raccoon it's time to play Mafia
Posts: 2,474
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Meeko on Apr 11, 2012 21:25:54 GMT -5
*Do we think that the devicer has a PFK win con? Would voting for them be of any consequence, given the number of devices that have gone off? I have a name. And can you explain my PFK win con then?? Can you explain how I can explain your PFK win con? Or did you want me to speculate on what I think your win con is ? One would require information I don't have. The other would simply mean me clarifying what I've previously stating. The devices trigger based on certain actions in the game. Yours could be trophy hunting / scavenger hunt / bingo caller win con. Namely that a lot of things need to happen, at least once. Not unlike The Jokers was. I think that yours was not unlike Xbox 360 Achievements. Once certain things happen in the game, you would benefit, IF your devices were in play. The devices have been in play, and they are ready to resolve at dusk. I wonder if this wont mean that you, alone, win the game before tonight. I wonder if we, that is town, are helpless to stop it.
|
|
|
Post by Gadarene on Apr 11, 2012 22:08:46 GMT -5
Pretty sure Texcat is PFK at this point.
|
|