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Post by texcat on Apr 11, 2012 23:01:31 GMT -5
Unvote: Suburban I was already nervous when meeko agreed with me.
Vote: sinjin No way, Jose, could you be town.
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Post by texcat on Apr 11, 2012 23:03:26 GMT -5
NETA: You have a killing role and didn't counter-claim me to begin with. And then when SisC showed up, you still didn't say anything??? Really?
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Post by texcat on Apr 11, 2012 23:12:37 GMT -5
NETAA: And you didn't use your one-shot on me either???
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Post by Nanook on Apr 11, 2012 23:14:49 GMT -5
Besides (and I know how people don't like going down this road, but it still has some validity), if it was a Scum cover story, then I could have just lied about trying to protect someone -- anyone -- other than me on Night 2. My action was inarguably roleblocked, after all. I could have claimed to have tried to protect peeker, or Total, or someone else with more potential worth than (as you say) someone who would basically be a vanilla after that night. Sadly, that's not the case -- I'm not lying about it; I just valued self-preservation over all else and decided to protect myself two nights in a row, however suboptimal that choice may have been. Ya know, this argument is so familiar to me....oh that's right, it's more or less exactly the same argument that pizza made way back when he got lynched. "I'm a better player than that, of course I'm not scum!" I didn't believe it then, and I'm not believing it this time either. It does seem more and more likely that Texcat is a SK. But I don't think now is the time to lynch her. She isn't close to winning yet.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 11, 2012 23:20:20 GMT -5
NETA: You have a killing role and didn't counter-claim me to begin with. And then when SisC showed up, you still didn't say anything??? Really? I have a one time only unstoppable kill. That would not preclude in anyway any other kind of vig. The way I looked at, it the moment I claimed I had to use my power. No way the scums would want me to live. I've been going forth and back every night and have not used my kill to date because I wanted it to be right. You on the other hand have used your power all nights but one (so you say). And been wrong all nights but one. And yet you have the nerve to call me anti-town. And surprisingly enough the scums have not killed you, nor have they blocked you. Weird isn't it? If you want to get in a pissing contest lets make a pact, I'll do you tonight and you can do me. (Stop that all you weirdo's that's not what I meant!)
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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 11, 2012 23:39:18 GMT -5
NETA: You have a killing role and didn't counter-claim me to begin with. And then when SisC showed up, you still didn't say anything??? Really? I have a one time only unstoppable kill. That would not preclude in anyway any other kind of vig. The way I looked at, it the moment I claimed I had to use my power. No way the scums would want me to live. Actually, I gotta agree on Sinjin with this one- she's got a one shot power, I wouldn't think that's worth claiming vs. a potential Town Vig. That'd just lead to two Vigs potentially outing themselves. But then when SisC comes in, it does complicate the issue. 3 Town Killing roles (even if one is just a one shot). And SisC was compulsory, and TexCat was not. The only thing I'm getting, is I don't see the connection of Deadshot to the broken box or the batarang. And yes, Meek- i meant i wanted to hear you speculate, but by the way you phrase it, if I was PFK, I've already won this game. And as for Gad, the best argument actually has been their defense the whole "If i was scum, I would have lied better."... It makes sense to me. The idea of wasting 2 self-protects on yourself, I'd think scum wouldn't claim that if they were lying. And i had forgotten about being outted night one by peeks- so that would also make sense. Hm.... Not sure what to say right now, but I feel less inclined to vote for Gad. But where is Peeker in all this mess? has he even been checking in?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 11, 2012 23:59:45 GMT -5
I think Gadarene is a mislynch. I guess nobody sees Meeko's voting record as problematic like I do. His vote on Suburban makes me feel slightly more comfortable with my vote on him, however I don't think Suburban or Gadarene should be lynched. If nobody else agrees with me on voting Meeko, I'll probably end up switching my vote to Hal. Well, I could probably be persuaded to vote for Meeko... I'm pretty certain at this point that texcat is non-Town, but I don't think he's a good lynch Today. He would be a good target tonight for sinjin, though. I'm undecided on Gadarene at the moment, and I'm not at all comfortable with scathach's claim. Ah, what the hell. vote MeekoI certainly hope that doesn't look like another smudge.
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Post by texcat on Apr 12, 2012 0:18:09 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain at this point that texcat is non-Town, but I don't think he's a good lynch Today. He would be a good target tonight for sinjin, though. Exactly. I would be a good target for sinjin, if she's telling the truth. And I would have been a good target for her for a couple of nights now. And yet, she didn't take the good target.
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Post by sinjin on Apr 12, 2012 0:43:04 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain at this point that texcat is non-Town, but I don't think he's a good lynch Today. He would be a good target tonight for sinjin, though. Exactly. I would be a good target for sinjin, if she's telling the truth. And I would have been a good target for her for a couple of nights now. And yet, she didn't take the good target. I'm an engineer, by nature I am conservative. And I'm angsty. I'm sure everyone on the spoiler board is pointing and laughing even as I type. I only had one shot and I wanted to save it for the right moment.
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Post by scáthach on Apr 12, 2012 3:51:43 GMT -5
NK resolving before investigation would be my assumption. But I will PM story for clarification to make sure he did actually send in a result. I didn't really want to be too specific, but if people really think it's useful to know, the paper trail so far is exactly those I've already quoted. As I said, my power is limited to a certain number of uses. I don't mean to be a pest (though I don't really mind, either)...but this will now be the third time I've asked you which Nights you investigated your various targets. Not which Night's results you asked for, but on which Nights you did the asking. Are you ignoring the question on purpose? Oh ffs, you asked it in the middle of a lot of questions all of which I've tried to answer. I just missed it, stop smudging. I got the Astral result N3, adn the Rysto result N4.
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Post by scáthach on Apr 12, 2012 3:55:44 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain at this point that texcat is non-Town, but I don't think he's a good lynch Today. He would be a good target tonight for sinjin, though. Why don't you think Texcat is a good lynch today? I'm undecided on Gadarene at the moment, and I'm not at all comfortable with scathach's claim. What exactly are you uncomfortable with about my provable claim?
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Post by BillMc on Apr 12, 2012 6:36:50 GMT -5
1. peekercpa (claimed town messenger) 2. Pollux Oil (claimed Lady Shiva, vanilla) 3. Nanook (claimed Harley Quinn, one-shot town recruiter) 4. scathach (claimed Two Face, investigator of a coroner-ish type, investigated not scum by Lightfoot) 5. sinjin (claimed Deadshot, one shot unstoppable kill) 6. SBrOwn (claimed Anarky, devicer) 7. Suburban Plankton (claimed Mr. Freeze, roleblocker/doctor now powerless) 8. Gadarene (claimed Jane Doe, two-shot protector) 9. BillMc (claimed Hush, vanilla) 10. texcat (claimed Ra's Al Ghul, vigilante) 11. Meeko 12. Mahaloth (claimed Solomon Grunday, scotsman-ish, recruited by Nanook) 13. Hal Briston
THE DEAD
1. Astral Rejection, RATCATCHER (Investigative) 2. Inner Stickler, ALEXEI ABRAMOVICI (Alignment Based) 3. Archangel, CALENDAR MAN (Vanilla) 4. Rysto, HUGO STRANGE (Investigative) 5. Silver Jan, SCARECROW (Investigative) 6. Chronos, KILLER MOTH (Vanilla) 7. Sister Coyote/Dirx, VICTOR ZSASZ (Killing) 8. Lightfoot, ROBIN (Investigative) 9. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, FIREFLY (Protective) 10. Gnarlycharlie, CARMINE FALCONE (Special) 11. Total Ullz, VIKTOR ABRAMOVICI (Alignment Based)
1. Special Ed, BATMAN (Special) 2. MHaye, THE PENGUIN (Special) 3. askthepizzaguy, CATWOMAN (Special) 4. Idle Thoughts, HUNTRESS (Killing)
1. Pleonast, THE JOKER (Special) 2. Guiri, TALIA AL GHUL (Special) 3. Drain Bead, THE RIDDLER (Investigative)
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So we have 5 investigators (including 1 3rd party) , 3 protectors, 3 town killers, a double resurrector. And against that all we have apparently seen from the scum are some notes and Idle outing himself for an extra kill. It kinda makes me wonder if Ed, MHaye & ATPG took all the scum powers to the grave with them.
Sinjin has claimed one shot unstoppable, and that she hasn't used it - so that does not explain the N4 kills/kill attempts - so either Sinjin is lying, Plankton is lying, Texcat is lying - or someone else had another kill - the last seems unlikely.
So we have a couple of loose pairings that could yield information.
If we lynch Sinjin, and she flips town, then it looks bad for Texcat; if Sinjin flips non-town, then things look better for Texcat. The same would be true is Sinjin turns up dead in the morning.
If we lynch Mahaloth, if he fips town, then it confirms Nanook, if he doesn't then it looks bad for Nanook; but Mahaloth's resurrection will only happen with a NK, so unlikely the scum would kill Mahaloth thus confirming Nanook. Conversely, killing Nanook would confirm Mahaloth.
Lynching Peeker - if he flips scum, then things look bad for Gadarene; if he flips town, it doesn't say anything about Gadarene. If we lynch Gadarene and he flips town, then Peeker is most likely town. If Gadarene flips scum, then Peeker looks a bit more suspect.
Hal and Meeko are the unclaimed pair.
I would have thought Scathach would have had more results, but may it was just bad luck. Gadarene's choice of using both protections early on seems a poor choice. Sinjin waiting to use her single shot seems pro-town.
I need to have another re-read before voting.
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Post by BillMc on Apr 12, 2012 6:38:35 GMT -5
What exactly are you uncomfortable with about my provable claim? How do you consider it provable?
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Post by scáthach on Apr 12, 2012 6:52:26 GMT -5
What exactly are you uncomfortable with about my provable claim? How do you consider it provable? I should say potentially provable, it gives results which can be tested. (Assuming I get more results, obviously the Astral result can't be tested til EOG). As opposed to something like Gad's role claim which has to be taken completely on faith.
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Post by Gadarene on Apr 12, 2012 7:34:57 GMT -5
How do you consider it provable? I should say potentially provable, it gives results which can be tested. (Assuming I get more results, obviously the Astral result can't be tested til EOG). As opposed to something like Gad's role claim which has to be taken completely on faith. I wish my role was more provable. It's not. There's not much I can do about that.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 12, 2012 7:50:09 GMT -5
I think Gadarene is a mislynch. I guess nobody sees Meeko's voting record as problematic like I do. His vote on Suburban makes me feel slightly more comfortable with my vote on him, however I don't think Suburban or Gadarene should be lynched. If nobody else agrees with me on voting Meeko, I'll probably end up switching my vote to Hal. To be clear, I don't think Gadarene played his power the best way he could have. However, I find that power to be realistic under the game's circumstances. I don't think me disagreeing with how he used his power is enough to warrant my vote. I'm curious as to whether sinjin or Hal will show up to claim before the end of Day. Also doubly curious since sinjin has been pro-claim for a while. So I am scummy because I am voting. and I am scummy if I don't vote. Right.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 12, 2012 7:57:18 GMT -5
1. peekercpa (claimed town messenger) 2. Pollux Oil (claimed Lady Shiva, vanilla) 3. Nanook (claimed Harley Quinn, one-shot town recruiter) 4. scathach (claimed Two Face, investigator of a coroner-ish type, investigated not scum by Lightfoot)5. sinjin (claimed Deadshot, one shot unstoppable kill)6. SBrOwn (claimed Anarky, devicer) 7. Suburban Plankton (claimed Mr. Freeze, roleblocker/doctor now powerless) 8. Gadarene (claimed Jane Doe, two-shot protector) 9. BillMc (claimed Hush, vanilla) 10. texcat (claimed Ra's Al Ghul, vigilante)11. Meeko 12. Mahaloth (claimed Solomon Grunday, scotsman-ish, recruited by Nanook)13. Hal Briston THE DEAD1. Astral Rejection, RATCATCHER (Investigative) 2. Inner Stickler, ALEXEI ABRAMOVICI (Alignment Based) 3. Archangel, CALENDAR MAN (Vanilla) 4. Rysto, HUGO STRANGE (Investigative) 5. Silver Jan, SCARECROW (Investigative) 6. Chronos, KILLER MOTH (Vanilla) 7. Sister Coyote/Dirx, VICTOR ZSASZ (Killing) 8. Lightfoot, ROBIN (Investigative) 9. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, FIREFLY (Protective) 10. Gnarlycharlie, CARMINE FALCONE (Special) 11. Total Ullz, VIKTOR ABRAMOVICI (Alignment Based)1. Special Ed, BATMAN (Special) 2. MHaye, THE PENGUIN (Special) 3. askthepizzaguy, CATWOMAN (Special) 4. Idle Thoughts, HUNTRESS (Killing)1. Pleonast, THE JOKER (Special) 2. Guiri, TALIA AL GHUL (Special) 3. Drain Bead, THE RIDDLER (Investigative)----- So we have 5 investigators (including 1 3rd party) , 3 protectors, 3 town killers, a double resurrector. And against that all we have apparently seen from the scum are some notes and Idle outing himself for an extra kill. It kinda makes me wonder if Ed, MHaye & ATPG took all the scum powers to the grave with them. Sinjin has claimed one shot unstoppable, and that she hasn't used it - so that does not explain the N4 kills/kill attempts - so either Sinjin is lying, Plankton is lying, Texcat is lying - or someone else had another kill - the last seems unlikely. So we have a couple of loose pairings that could yield information. If we lynch Sinjin, and she flips town, then it looks bad for Texcat; if Sinjin flips non-town, then things look better for Texcat. The same would be true is Sinjin turns up dead in the morning. If we lynch Mahaloth, if he fips town, then it confirms Nanook, if he doesn't then it looks bad for Nanook; but Mahaloth's resurrection will only happen with a NK, so unlikely the scum would kill Mahaloth thus confirming Nanook. Conversely, killing Nanook would confirm Mahaloth. Lynching Peeker - if he flips scum, then things look bad for Gadarene; if he flips town, it doesn't say anything about Gadarene. If we lynch Gadarene and he flips town, then Peeker is most likely town. If Gadarene flips scum, then Peeker looks a bit more suspect. Hal and Meeko are the unclaimed pair. I would have thought Scathach would have had more results, but may it was just bad luck. Gadarene's choice of using both protections early on seems a poor choice. Sinjin waiting to use her single shot seems pro-town. I need to have another re-read before voting. Bill can you comment on the amount of claims we have had throughout this game? Do you think it has a positive or a negative to town's chances of winning? That being said, short of me claiming, what can I do for you? There have been way too many claims, for NO reason at all this game.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 12, 2012 8:02:03 GMT -5
I think Gadarene is a mislynch. I guess nobody sees Meeko's voting record as problematic like I do. His vote on Suburban makes me feel slightly more comfortable with my vote on him, however I don't think Suburban or Gadarene should be lynched. If nobody else agrees with me on voting Meeko, I'll probably end up switching my vote to Hal. Well, I could probably be persuaded to vote for Meeko... I'm pretty certain at this point that texcat is non-Town, but I don't think he's a good lynch Today. He would be a good target tonight for sinjin, though. I'm undecided on Gadarene at the moment, and I'm not at all comfortable with scathach's claim. Ah, what the hell. vote MeekoI certainly hope that doesn't look like another smudge. Nope, this one is OMGUS. And if it isn't, then you guys really need to work on the definitions you all misuse.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 12, 2012 8:07:03 GMT -5
Suburban,
Why the vote on me, over Texcat, exactly?
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Post by Meeko on Apr 12, 2012 8:21:01 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> Unvote: Suburban I was already nervous when meeko agreed with me. Vote: sinjin No way, Jose, could you be town. There is no need to be nervous here. I'm Town. Why would you fear voting with town?!But we are just getting started on you, TexCat. <font style="font-size: 12px;"> <font style="font-size: 12px;"> <font style="font-size: 12px;"> I'm pretty certain at this point that texcat is non-Town, but I don't think he's a good lynch Today. He would be a good target tonight for sinjin, though.
Why don't you think Texcat is a good lynch today? I'm undecided on Gadarene at the moment, and I'm not at all comfortable with scathach's claim.
What exactly are you uncomfortable with about my provable claim? This is the quote I am seconding.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2012 9:45:51 GMT -5
Suburban, Why the vote on me, over Texcat, exactly? I think texcat is a PFK. I think you're Scum. That makes you the primary target...especially if we have a Vig who can kill texcat for us Tonight. Yes, it is partially OMGUS, because frankly, oh my god your vote on me Today sucks. But quite a few of your votes have sucked, so it's mostly that.
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Post by Meeko on Apr 12, 2012 10:25:05 GMT -5
Suburban, Why the vote on me, over Texcat, exactly? I think texcat is a PFK. I think you're Scum. That makes you the primary target...especially if we have a Vig who can kill texcat for us Tonight. Yes, it is partially OMGUS, because frankly, oh my god your vote on me Today sucks. But quite a few of your votes have sucked, so it's mostly that. Let me help you out here. Unvote Suburban Vote TexcatI don't get your logic at all. I'd want a PFK dead as soon as possible. And I don't think I can hold the suspicions I've had on Texcat for too much longer without doing this. I am Killer Croc. I am non-vanilla town.
If there is any credence in the entire Acronym thing, let me give it out now. Granted, it probably won't do anything, but I just in case I will need it later. AMLPBSESIWAKJCIWBDJCILDBLMTYYPANJTLANI fear the lynch today, and I won't be able to get back to the game before the end of the Day. That being said, more so the latter, I feel I need to make a Name Claim. Hopefully this will relieve my fears. Doing this is the lesser of two evils. At the very least, it's addressing the most immediate issue first, namely a known [at least by me] mislynch today, over a suspected, and probably false notion of a third party win con. Remember this gang? This is when claims should be made. Not before. This should put pressure on Hal to make a Claim. He could attempt to counterclaim me, but then, that would be at his peril.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2012 10:49:14 GMT -5
Meeko, what exactly is the point of a name-only claim at this point? What benefit do you see to Town in that?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2012 10:53:46 GMT -5
I think texcat is a PFK. I think you're Scum. That makes you the primary target...especially if we have a Vig who can kill texcat for us Tonight. Yes, it is partially OMGUS, because frankly, oh my god your vote on me Today sucks. But quite a few of your votes have sucked, so it's mostly that. Let me help you out here. Unvote SuburbanVote TexcatI don't get your logic at all. I'd want a PFK dead as soon as possible. And I don't think I can hold the suspicions I've had on Texcat for too much longer without doing this. Two things: 1) Removing a sucky vote doesn't undo the fact that it was a sucky vote to begin with. 2) Can you point to your previously posted suspicions of texcat? Because I can't seem to find them. Or have you been suspecting him in silent up 'til now?
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Post by Hal Briston on Apr 12, 2012 11:15:04 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I'm back! Did I miss anyth.....oh. Well then, let's do this: The redacted part is done for obvious reasons -- no need to give scum any help in removing my abilities. And that last note clearly refers to sinjin's claim, although there may, of course, be others who "do not miss". Most nights were self-protecting, and when they weren't, I received no notice that any of my models successfully protected anyone. I asked story about this after night one -- from our PMs: So, no idea if I've done any good or not. I will say that I had one major fuckup -- I screwed up the timing of night's end and didn't go to submit my "protect cookies" order until after the next day's dawn already broke. Sorry cookies. (I'm sure I got rode hard on the spoiler board for that one). More to come, after my 12:15 conference call...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2012 11:21:34 GMT -5
So we have another Doc who's done (almost) nothing but self protect.
Brilliant!
Hal, how about a complete play-by-play of your Night actions, successful or otherwise?
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Post by texcat on Apr 12, 2012 12:38:10 GMT -5
Anybody got a vote count?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Apr 12, 2012 12:51:34 GMT -5
Anybody got a vote count? I have it as: Meeko (2): Pollux Oil (7), Suburban Plankton (156) sinjin (2): mahaloth (14), texcat (150) Suburban Plankton (0): texcat (30-150), Meeko (115-171)SBrOwn (0): SBrOwn [x35] (81-81)Hal Briston (0): scathach (83-114) Gadarene (2): scathach (114), Nanook (138) peeker (1): SBrOwn (129) texcat (1): Meeko (171) I think this would put Gadarene as the lynch candidate because he hit 2 votes first. I've been busy at work Today, so I'm less confident than usual that this is 100% correct.
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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 12, 2012 12:51:53 GMT -5
I don't get your logic at all. I'd want a PFK dead as soon as possible. And I don't think I can hold the suspicions I've had on Texcat for too much longer without doing this. -snip- I am Killer Croc. I am non-vanilla town. AMLPBSESIWAKJCIWBDJCILDBLMTYYPANJTLAN1. A PFK is a stop-marker. Scum cannot win until PFKs are eliminated, thus from a Townie perspective, Scum should be killed first, THEN the PFKs, because as long as a PFK is around, even if scum outnumber town, they cannot win. It's again forcing the scum to take out the PFK. And if the scum are worried about a PFK [bTexcat[/b], and that he may kill them during the night (though this is all through Idle's bullshit noise), then it'd make sense for SCUM to want to LYNCH the PFK rather than NK the PFK. So yeah, I view Scum first, then PFKs to the noose. Because Scum would have a greater investment in PFK first then scum. And your name with an acrostic means nothing. You need at the very least the quote that the acrostic references in order to even prove anything.
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Post by SBrOwn on Apr 12, 2012 12:53:41 GMT -5
AMLPBSESIWAKJCIWBDJCILDBLMTYYPANJTLAN Also, the Acrostic needs to be mentioned on DAY ONE, so we know that you've been honestly playing with said role throughout the Week. Not just putting it up now- because now you could pick a fake role if you were scum and choose an acrostic from there. Massive Suspicion over that detail.... As i didn't have your acrostic down on Day 1. Did you give it then?
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